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80-96-list-digest Tuesday, September 14 1999 Volume 03 : Number 257



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - 300I Engine Dress Up Parts-MSD aint no dress-up
FTE 80-96 - Gas Mileage
Re: FTE 80-96 - '87 Tailgate latch -- HELP!
Re: FTE 80-96 - '87 Tailgate latch -- HELP!
[none]
Re: FTE 80-96 - Reference tables
Re: FTE 80-96 - Sad Ford Aftermarket
Re: [FTE 80-96 - Gas Mileage]
FTE 80-96 - Ford Tempo!
FTE 80-96 - Re: Dress-up and Performance Parts for 300ci I6
RE: FTE 80-96 - Ford Tempo!
RE: FTE 80-96 - Ford Tempo!
FTE 80-96 - RE: E150 Econoline van conversion

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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:53:22 +1000
From: les williams
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 300I Engine Dress Up Parts-MSD aint no dress-up

Hi Dennis,

What do you want to know about MSD ? The Good, The Bad, Or the Downright
Ugly ?

The good news is, - It Works - even on bosch dizzys and LPG. Would I
install into another Car/Truck ? An Unreserved Yes. As finance becomes
available. Down here in Oz the 6al is $503 au$ RRP, so it's considered
Expensive. In fact I know three Serious Drag Racers using MSD - but will not
put it on their road cars, because of the cost.

The Bad news is, over the initial cost of MSD, allow for a new 'super'
Coil, New minimum 9 mm Ignition leads, and a good quality new Cap & Rotor.
If YOU can't install it yourself, and it's not too difficult, just follow
the instructions (What ? Read the Instructions First ??) have the installer
use the Four Pole Double Throw Switch (PN 8808), this enables you to switch
from MSD to standard Mode, Just in case... ( I wish to hell I had been told
about the existance of the switch when I was installing MSD, It would have
saved me time trying to invent my own version of the switch)

The Downright Ugly, Well I have uncovered several stories of woe and
stupidity, (and I'm sure there are others out there...) all credited to MSD.
A Sparky installing into a honda prelude managed to torch the car!! The
battery cable goes on to the battery, not any 'hot' source under the dash
!! and a mechanic caused $6000 damage to an engine analizer tune up machine.
I would have loved to see the CRT just before it stopped. This is my reason
for installing the switch, if somebody else is going to monkey around with
you truck, just switch back to standard mode. They are able to use their
standard analizier equipment.
YOU will learn not to poke fingers, screwdrivers, spanners etc around a
running engine with MSD. If the launch doesn't kill you, the landing
may.....and I'll bet you thought those big red stickers that come in the MSD
box was just advertising.... Wrong, ...To those who know, it's a sure
warning sign..........If Ford feel duty bound to put engine bay stickers
warning about the potential life threatening 'Single hit' 25kva present in
the stock standard cd ignition, What do you thinkMuliple 40kva+ is going to
do ? (...That'll light up your pacemaker !!)
I have only had experience with MSD 6al so I won't comment on other
brands, But ..... I'm still having Fun with MSD. :-))

regards

Les
Lost in the Land of Oz



Dennis Grim wrote:

>
>
> I was also wondering if any body has or is using an MSD ignition system,
> I'm right on the verge but would like to hear some first hand
> experiences if possible.
>
> Dennis
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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 07:13:02 -0400
From: "Michael McCarthy"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Gas Mileage

I recently started tracking the gas mileage on my 85 F150 I6-300 and found
that I get a whopping 12.6 miles to the gallon. I do live in hill country in
Western Pennsylvania & all of my driving is city driving but that seems
pretty poor. I think it is about in line with what other I6-300's of my
vintage get but then again maybe not. It has been a very dependable truck
and it will pull a house, even though it is a bit gutless.
The question is, what have others done to improve the gas mileage in these
engines? I know this has been a topic of discussion before but I need a
refresher course.

Michael McCarthy
Export, PA

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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:31:44 EDT
From: IMATOOLMAN aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - '87 Tailgate latch -- HELP!

JC Whitneys sells the handles I believe, but you need to reuse the old rods
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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:40:40 EDT
From: IMATOOLMAN aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - '87 Tailgate latch -- HELP!

Auto, Truck,
Motorcycle Parts and Accessories - JC Whitney
This link will take you to the web page with the handles they list at $9.99 US
hope this helps
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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:47:02 -0400
From: "Golly, Scott M"
Subject: [none]

Bill,

Have you cleaned the inlet air bypass on the side of the Throttle body. I
have had that prob on my 351. Take off the two air inlet hoses and spray a
throttle body cleaner into the two small holes inside the aluminum housing.
You should spray in the top and see black yuck come out the bottom hole.
Does that make any sense? This problem rarely, if ever, shows up in
computer diagnostic tests.

Scott M. Golly
Researcher/Fire Protection Engineer


Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:57:51 -0700
From: Bill Perry ford pertel.com>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - E150 Econoline van conversion

I have a 1996 E150 Econoline van conversion. It has a V8, 5.8 Liter engine.
It has started to stall at stop lights. It has done it twice this week. We
took it in the shop for 2 days and it never did stall for them. There is
also an intermittent occasional shudder as it sits at idle.
My thoughts are that it is fuel related because of the shudder and choking
it felt like. But I don't know. It has had regular service and runs fine
other than that.
It is used mostly around town with occasional trips for a couple hundred
miles. Has 70,000 miles on it.
Any ideas?
Bill Perry


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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:30:37 -0500
From: "Steve Schmeckpeper"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Reference tables

Thanks for the info Mike ;^)) I'm printin' it out right now!
Smeck
79 F100 & 87 F150

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Sloane

> Thought some of you might be interested in this. I found a site
> "Engineering Zone" that has reference tables for things like Wire, metal,
>drill, taps, etc. The also have links to all sorts of other interesting
things.
>



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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:38:08 -0500
From: "Steve Schmeckpeper"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Sad Ford Aftermarket

Mark..
Visit this URL.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://drivetrain.com/

Smeck
79 F100 & 87 F150

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Behling

>Just curious, does anybody if it's still possible to get a brand new 4.9L
I6 >or manual tranny for a late model F150? Miles seem to be building up on
>my truck fast lately, and I'd like to try to renew the drivetrain rather
>than pay 25K for a new truck. I've never had good luck with rebuilt units.
>
> Mark



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Date: 13 Sep 99 10:21:54 PDT
From: William Berninghausen
Subject: Re: [FTE 80-96 - Gas Mileage]

"Michael McCarthy" wrote:
> I recently started tracking the gas mileage on my 85 F150 I6-300 and
foundthat I get a whopping 12.6 miles to the gallon. I do live in hil=
l
country inWestern Pennsylvania & all of my driving is city driving bu=
t
that seemspretty poor. I think it is about in line with what other
I6-300's of myvintage get but then again maybe not. It has been a ver=
y
dependable truckand it will pull a house, even though it is a bit
gutless.The question is, what have others done to improve the gas mil=
eage
in theseengines? I know this has been a topic of discussion before bu=
t I
need arefresher course.Michael McCarthyExport, PA=
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Mike:

When my 82 F100 I6-300 (2WD, 3sp, 2.47, stock tires) drops below 14.5, I =
get
out the tuneup stuff. 12.6 might be ok if your truck is 4WD/auto/loaded/=
big
tires, but it still sounds a bit low to me. A little clutch slip or brake=
drag
might be subtly eroding your mileage.

Bill in Portland

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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:28:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: DBblueboy webtv.net (Jerome Kelly)
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Ford Tempo!

Hey I know this is not a truck but it is a Ford Product. In the past you
guys have helped me with a lot of problems with my
truck. I don't have the money to go to the
garage all the time. 94 Tempo four banger. Seat shoulder belt
inoperable.
Chiltons sez take it to the dealer. Anybody
know where I can find a reference to repair it myself. It is unattached
from the
inside the track. Motor just makes a grinding noise. Seatbelt goes no
where. It is an automatic seatbelt. Can anyone help?



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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:00:04 EDT
From: Awfanning aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Dress-up and Performance Parts for 300ci I6

Check www.cliffordperformance.com .

Alan Fanning
San Jose, CA
'82 F-150 Supercab, 300ci I6
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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:08:20 -0400
From: "Kevin Reed"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Ford Tempo!

Your best bet is to go to the scrap yard and replace the whole unit. It'll
probably cost you less than buying the parts you need from FORD anywaz.

Good Luck.

Kevin Reed
kreed ican.net

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Jerome Kelly
> Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 2:28 PM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - Ford Tempo!
>
>
> Hey I know this is not a truck but it is a Ford Product. In the past you
> guys have helped me with a lot of problems with my
> truck. I don't have the money to go to the
> garage all the time. 94 Tempo four banger. Seat shoulder belt
> inoperable.
> Chiltons sez take it to the dealer. Anybody
> know where I can find a reference to repair it myself. It is unattached
> from the
> inside the track. Motor just makes a grinding noise. Seatbelt goes no
> where. It is an automatic seatbelt. Can anyone help?
>
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:10:44 -0700
From: "McMahon, Todd R."
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Ford Tempo!

My personal opinion is that any item related to passenger safety should only
be replaced with NEW original manufacturer (OEM) parts. You don't know the
history of parts being removed from the junk yard, they have also had the
typicaly service life that the parts you are replacing had. Who knows,
there could have been a design or manufacturing flaw... you could end up
with something that will break soon, or under worse circumstances. A new
part should last longer, and could incorporate a design or manufacturing
change to resolve the very problem you are experiencing.

When it comes to a safety related item, is it worth the risk?

Good Luck...

Todd

- -----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Reed [mailto:kreed ican.net]
Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 12:08 PM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Ford Tempo!


Your best bet is to go to the scrap yard and replace the whole unit. It'll
probably cost you less than buying the parts you need from FORD anywaz.

Good Luck.

Kevin Reed
kreed ican.net

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Jerome Kelly
> Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 2:28 PM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - Ford Tempo!
>
>
> Hey I know this is not a truck but it is a Ford Product. In the past you
> guys have helped me with a lot of problems with my
> truck. I don't have the money to go to the
> garage all the time. 94 Tempo four banger. Seat shoulder belt
> inoperable.
> Chiltons sez take it to the dealer. Anybody
> know where I can find a reference to repair it myself. It is unattached
> from the
> inside the track. Motor just makes a grinding noise. Seatbelt goes no
> where. It is an automatic seatbelt. Can anyone help?
>
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:04:41 -0600
From: Fred Moreno
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: E150 Econoline van conversion

Bill Perry writes;

I have a 1996 E150 Econoline van conversion. It has a V8, 5.8 Liter
engine.
It has started to stall at stop lights. It has done it twice this
week. We
took it in the shop for 2 days and it never did stall for them.
There is
also an intermittent occasional shudder as it sits at idle.

Oh boy, my gut feeling is ignition, maybe the way the spark plug wires are
routed might be causing your intermittent shudder. Are they the original
spark plug wires? Is your Check Engine light illuminated?
Being a '96 vehicle you most likely have the OBD II diagnostics. This level
of diagnostic capability is pretty sophisticated (as far as "garbage in -
garbage out" goes). Sometimes it takes three complete drive cycles before
the OBD II diagnostics will register and display a fault. A stored code....


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