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80-96-list-digest Tuesday, September 7 1999 Volume 03 : Number 250



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Instruments
FTE 80-96 - Testing temperature gauge
FTE 80-96 - Dash repair
FTE 80-96 - Transmission in a 91
Re: FTE 80-96 - Testing temperature gauge
FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Web site pictorial updates
Re: FTE 80-96 - synthetic oils
Re: FTE 80-96 - synthetic oils
FTE 80-96 - RE: Off Subject - Pardon me Ken!
FTE 80-96 - Fuel Injection
FTE 80-96 - code scanners
Re: FTE 80-96 - Instruments
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Instruments
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Instruments
Re: FTE 80-96 - code scanners

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Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 09:30:04 -0500
From: "Stephen W.Hansen"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Instruments

My truck did a similar thing, basically the front tank going crazy once to a
spot beyond the normal "full". It quit and worked normally for the next
tank, then did it again then quit working all together (always showing
empty). My dad and I dropped the front tank and put a new sender in it and
all is ok. My fuel sender failed in two areas, 1- the rheostat was acting up
(the gauge going crazy) 2- the float had a hole in it (the empty signal) the
part was around 30 dollars I think.
When I first bought my truck, I was concerned about clogged injectors so I
asked the Ford Service guy. He asked what gas I used, I told him Conoco. He
told me Conoco (as do other brands) have good cleaning agents in it and I
shouldn't have a problem; However those cleaning agents can cause the fuel
sender and float to deteriorate. About 50,000 miles later and it happened.
Now I wonder how long the back tank is going to hold out. I figure the
sender was cheaper than having fuel injectors cleaned or replaced
Steve

>>My '85 has the same problem with fuel gauge. The rest of the gauges are
>>fine, but the fuel gauge gets squirrely on me. I've only had the truck on
>>the road for a week. The guage was on empty, put 5 gallons inat home, and
it
>>went to full. Drove to the gas station, and it took another 5, and stayed
on
>>full. Drove 100 miles, and the guage was on 1/4, put 5 miles in and it was
>>full again, guage went back up to full. (anyone think i can really get 20
>>MPG with a 6 cyl, 4 speed standard with granny, and a 3.08 rear?) I'm
really
>>confused, it doesn't work irradicaly (sp?), so I don't think its a bad
>>voltage regulator. Maybe corroded ground connection at the tank? I'd like
to
>>take care of this....really gets on my nerves not knowing how much gas I
>>have....anyone have ideas?
>I am hoping that you receive a response since mine is doing
>something similiar to me.
>When I turn on the key in the morning, the truck will register how
>much gas is in the tank. After driving it for around 10 or 15
>minutes, it registers around a quarter less than what is really in the
>tank. Say, if it's full it registers around 3/4, if it's 3/4, then it
>registers at full.
>In a lot of stop a go traffic, it really goes bonkers on me for some
>reason, or if I have to make a number of stops in a short period of
>time.
>I was wondering what might be causing this. I'm at a loss for
>solutions.




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Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 07:34:51 -0700
From: "Ken Brayton"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Testing temperature gauge

Can anyone suggest a way to test a temperature sending unit?
All of my gauges work except the temp. It doesn't register
anything at all. Found out from my trusting parts man the
part I need is pretty spendy. Would like to be able to check
it prior to replacing it if that is possible.

94 F150 4X4 5.0L
Ken Brayton
Albany, Oregon
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Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 09:13:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: Christopher Tirone
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Dash repair

>- -----Original Message-----
>From: Waddell [SMTP:waddell netnitco.net]
>Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 5:45 PM
>To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: FTE 80-96 - dash repair
>
>Has anyone repaired the cracks in their dash using
>over the counter
>materials and repainted? It sits alot in direct
>sunlite.
>
>
>
> thanks for your replys
>
>
Larry
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Hey Larry,
>
>I just ordered a molded dash cap replacement for my
>'86
>from JC Whitney. It cost me $119, but they claim it's
>molded to cover the original exactly. I'll let you
>know how it comes out, if you can afford to wait the
8
>days or so it'll take to show up...
>
>Greenman


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Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 18:12:01 +0100
From: "Robert Werner"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Transmission in a 91

I've got a 91 F-150 w/ a 300 I6 and a 4 speed manual w/ overdirve. I was wondering what you guys can tell me about it.

Robert
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Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 12:19:41 -0500
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Testing temperature gauge

At 07:34 06/09/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Can anyone suggest a way to test a temperature sending unit?
>All of my gauges work except the temp. It doesn't register
>anything at all. Found out from my trusting parts man the
>part I need is pretty spendy. Would like to be able to check
>it prior to replacing it if that is possible.
>
>94 F150 4X4 5.0L
>Ken Brayton

OK, Ken... you need to test both sender and wire back to instruments. Do
this by pulling wire off of sender and connecting 10 ohm heavy ceramic
resistor (Radio Shack sells them -- they are called power resistors)
between the sender wire and ground. Go turn on ignition. Temp guage should
read HOT in about 10-15 seconds. If it does not move, you have a broken
wire or a bad guage unit. If it does, then you have a bad sender.

You can read resistance of the sender with an Ohm meter. Normal operating
temp resistance should be about 65-75 ohms. Hot (overheating) should be
down around 10 ohms. Cold would be over 100 ohms (not really a good way to
test.)

Inside truck, FYI, temp, oil pressure and fuel guages are all mechanically
and functionally interchangable, so if you think you have a bad guage unit,
swap it out for the oil pressure guage. If the temp still does not work,
then you have a broken wire between engine and temp guage unit. If temp now
works and oil pressure is zero, that guage unit is bad and needs to be
replaced. Get one at a junk yard for $5-8 (depending on your negotiating
skills).

I've glossed over all this. Let me know if you need any more detail on
anything. Good luck!


Jim Cannon
Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD
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Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 14:11:18 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Web site pictorial updates

The following have been added to the web site pictorial:


1950 F1
1956 F100
1966 F100
1971 F100
1973 F350 Super Camper Special Ranger
1986 F350 Ambulance
1990 F150 XLT Lariat
1999 F150


Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com
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Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 06:58:45 +1000
From: les williams
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - synthetic oils

Mike Persell wrote:

> snip---------
> If you look closely at the chart you'll see that the most advertised oils
> don't necessarily have the best results.

Snip------------------

> Mike

> 85 F-150 302

Hi Mike & All Others,
I appreciate this thread on oils, but as a former Oil Co. retailer,
it's often the 'deal' that sells the oil. Another good reason to learn to
service your own truck, at least you know the 'good stuff' is being used.

A question I would like to ask is 'what is the Optimal Operating Temperature
for say a hypothetical quality brand of oil ?'
or if you could dictate the running temperature of the crankshaft and
bearings, and ignore the combustion imposed temps, what would it be?
The reason I ask this is, I am running a 351 clevo on 100% LPG and with
consequently lower engine temps, lack of carbon build-up, etc, my theories of
oil, oil temps and changes are being severely challenged. - And I don't even
want to go into the problems of Dual Fuel Installations.:-)
Thank You

Regards

Les
The Land of Oz

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Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 18:17:16 -0500
From: Mike Persell
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - synthetic oils

les williams wrote:
>
> Hi Mike & All Others,
> A question I would like to ask is 'what is the Optimal Operating Temperature
> for say a hypothetical quality brand of oil ?'
> or if you could dictate the running temperature of the crankshaft and
> bearings, and ignore the combustion imposed temps, what would it be?
> The reason I ask this is, I am running a 351 clevo on 100% LPG and with
> consequently lower engine temps, lack of carbon build-up, etc, my theories of
> oil, oil temps and changes are being severely challenged. - And I don't even
> want to go into the problems of Dual Fuel Installations.:-)

LPG changes the rules vs gas or diesel. LPG as you said has lower
combustion
temps and you want to make sure you run the lowest ash content possible.
Run
single wt oils if your weather permits too. You will end up with more
moisture
related problems too which makes a synthetic look good for rust
prevention
when the vehicle sits for a little while. Amsoil used to make a marine
oil
that was really good for lower temp engines and moisture protection.

Mike
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Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 20:45:46 -0500
From: "Dave Harmier"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: Off Subject - Pardon me Ken!

I simply felt I had to vent a bit. It is mostly because I can't find a way
to tell Microsoft, or AOL how I feel about their little war. And we all use
some form of MAC/MS CRAP to do all this computer stuff anyway.

P.S. I did include some Ford reference!

PLEASE NO ONE ELSE RESPOND!!!! Hit my email if you must!

Dave H.
Houston, TX
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Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 20:50:18 -0500
From: "Allen Collins"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Fuel Injection

Hello to the list,

I have a chance to put on a fuel injection unit from a 351 cid. The F.I.
unit is supposed to all there and the price is right. I have an older 302
cid in my 86 F-150. with a 2 barrel carb.

My questions are will the 351 W manifold bolt up to the 302 block? Is there
anything special I need to look for as far as the unit being junk? I
believe that my truck used to have a FI engine but was changed out. It have
an electric fuel pump, and I have not found any books that list a 2 barrel
carb for an 86 truck. So I believe that all the wiring and hookups are
still intact.

Comments and suggestions are welcome. I am not able to see the unit as it
is in another town. My brother is a mechanic and he states that it is a
good unit.

Thanks in advance

Al

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Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 23:14:01 -0400
From: "Phil / Debi"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - code scanners

I am having some problems with my 91 F150 and am considering buying one of
those code scanners for the computer. I know I could rent one but would
rather buy one if it is reasonably priced. Any one know where I could get
one and a ballpark figure.

Phil Beattie
66 F100 390 C6
70 F100 390 C6
91 F150 4x4

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Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 22:24:30 -0500
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Instruments

At 21:53 03/09/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Sure I talk too much about oil and grease but an electrician I'm not.
>
>I have an 85 F-150 and the instruments are inconsistant but the temp. oil
>pressure
>an fuel are either too high or too low. I think the fuel gauge or sending
>unit is also wacked
>because full is okay but half tank registers as empty, after half tank I'm
>on dead reckoning.

Mike-
If all guages seem to be wrong in the same direction at the same time (high
or low) then it is probably the IVR. If only one guage acts weird, then it
will be either the sender or the guage for that circuit. Dual fuel tanks
add another level of complexity because the selector switch/valve are in
the circuit and can add additional error. Test things out one item at a
time and you will find all your problems. Replace the bad things with ether
dealer-new or junkyard-used stuff. Let me know if you have any further
questions.


Jim Cannon
Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD
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Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 22:20:39 -0500
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Instruments

At 22:34 04/09/99 -0400, you wrote:
>My '85 has the same problem with fuel guage. The rest of the guages are
>fine, but the fuel guage gets squirrely on me. I've only had the truck on
>the road for a week. The guage was on empty, put 5 gallons inat home, and it
>went to full. Drove to the gas station, and it took another 5, and stayed on
>full. Drove 100 miles, and the guage was on 1/4, put 5 miles in and it was
>full again, guage went back up to full. (anyone think i can really get 20
>MPG with a 6 cyl, 4 speed standard with granny, and a 3.08 rear?) I'm really
>confused, it doesn't work irradicaly (sp?), so I don't think its a bad
>voltage regulator. Maybe corroded ground connection at the tank? I'd like to
>take care of this....really gets on my nerves not knowing how much gas I
>have....anyone have ideas?
>
>Kevin
>'85 F150 I6

The symptoms you describe are a bad fuel level sender in the tank. It is
possible that you simply have a bad connection under there and moisture or
vibration changes the resistance (and therefore the level reading) but if
it is consistenly wrong at the same points then the sender is bad. You'll
need to replace it or live with it.


Jim Cannon
Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD
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Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 23:50:39 -0400
From: "Phil / Debi"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Instruments

since we are on the subject of fuel gauges, I just purchased a 91 F150 and
mine is acting weird. my rear tank reads fine, the front one when full reads
7/8 full and when near empty reads 5/8 full. I was told from previous owner
that it started doing that after the front fuel pump was replaced. he said
it was accidentally replaced with a rear fuel pump and it would require a
new fuel pump to correct the readings for the front tank. Does that sound
right? Is the sending unit part of the pump? or can it be replaced
separately?

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Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 20:40:30 -0700
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - code scanners

You can buy a basic model code scanner for about $40. It will have an LED
an a buzzer which will require you to count the flashes/beeps. The cheapest
I have seen the ones that will actually display the code is around $120.

Rade
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From: Phil / Debi
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, September 06, 1999 8:10 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - code scanners


>I am having some problems with my 91 F150 and am considering buying one of....

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