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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - RE: Bleeding Breaks
FTE 80-96 - Transmission oil cooler
FTE 80-96 - Diesel Power
RE: FTE 80-96 - RE: Bleeding Breaks
FTE 80-96 - Death Notice - Resurrection Help Needed
FTE 80-96 - Up in the air
FTE 80-96 - RE: oil viscosity
Re: FTE 80-96 - Up in the air
Re: FTE 80-96 - Diesel Power
Re: FTE 80-96 - Up in the air
Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: Turn signal not working
Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: oil viscosity
FTE 80-96 - AIR Pump output goes?????
RE: FTE 80-96 - Up in the air
Re: FTE 80-96 - Transmission oil cooler
RE: FTE 80-96 - Up in the air
Re: FTE 80-96 - AIR Pump output goes?????

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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 07:20:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: Speed Racer
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: Bleeding Breaks

Just the opposite. You start at the wheel furthest from the mater, and
work your way in. Right Rear, then Left rear, then right front, then left
front. Good luck.

>
> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 17:05:10 -0700
> From: "Posluszny, Walt (POSL)"
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: Bleeding Breaks
>
> It's been a very long time so I'm trying to remember the correct
> sequence.....when bleeding brakes after replacing the master cylinder.
> Always start at the wheel closest to the master cylinder and then move
> progressively further away. For example : in order[as viewed from sitting
> behind the wheel]....LF, RF, LR, RR. Is this correct? Thanks Walt
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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 06:20:53 -0700
From: "Sam Matthews"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Transmission oil cooler

Hello,

I have a '90 Areostar that I wanted to use for some light towing. A friend recommended that I put in a transmission cooler. I think I found some good ones in JC Whitney. I was wondering if anyone could tell me where the cooler would be plugged into the tranny to circulate the oil.

Thanks
Sam


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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 08:24:39 -0500
From: Bill Sample
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Diesel Power

Just a question for you diesel experts. I have noticed that when I
start running low on fuel, right
before it starts surging and idling rough it seems to have a lot more
power. I realize that it is not
good for the pump to run dry- however I am curious about the apparent
power increase with a
"leaner" mixture. Any thoughts on this? I have installed dual exhaust
in an effort to increase
drivability, it did not seem to help much. Other than turbocharging -
what else can I do to improve
performance without sacrificing torque? Thanks for your thoughts....

86 F250 SC
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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:10:45 -0400
From: Greg Carter
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - RE: Bleeding Breaks

Also make sure you bench bleed the master cylinder before putting it in,
otherwise you'll never get all the air out of the master cylinder.

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From: Posluszny, Walt (POSL) [mailto:POSL chevron.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 1999 8:05 PM
To: '80-96-list ford-trucks.com'
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: Bleeding Breaks


It's been a very long time so I'm trying to remember the correct
sequence.....when bleeding brakes after replacing the master cylinder.
Always start at the wheel closest to the master cylinder and then move
progressively further away. For example : in order[as viewed from sitting
behind the wheel]....LF, RF, LR, RR. Is this correct? Thanks Walt
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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:34:37 -0400
From: "KA"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Death Notice - Resurrection Help Needed

FORD, 1982 F150 "Careful - It Smells Fear" of Atlanta, GA passed away at
194,631 miles.

Autopsy indicates the #3 connecting rod thrown through the block. Death
was instantaneous. The truck is survived by its custodian, Ken, and by
many friends, admirers, and the Chamblee police department.

Anyone have an engine or a cheap F150 available in the Atlanta area?

I want to resurrect my beloved truck. Please email if you know of
something. I don't need anything fancy - it has a dead 300 I-6 and a SROD
2 speed (down from a 4 speed originally of course).

My truck is wildly decorated outside and outfitted with a drum kit inside
(in place of the dashboard). I take it to various ArtCar and kids events -
I'll catch hell if I don't get it running again soon.

TIA,
Ken
Atlanta, GA
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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 09:41:30 -0600
From: Fred Moreno
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Up in the air

Hey all,

Just curious about something.
Situation; In two weeks, we are planning to trek through the gorgeous Gila
Wilderness in search of an abandoned mining town, in other words lots of
stream crossings, steep rocky roads, mud, and a very nervous spousal unit.

I have been going over the truck checking things out and this week-end if I
can manage the time, I want to rotate the tires. While I have the truck up
in the air, I was going to check the 4X4 system by starting the engine and
engaging the transfer case and tranny.

Question; Since this '95 F-150 has limited slip front and rear, with all
four tires off the ground and tranny + transfer case engaged, which tires
should be turning? Will one tire on the front axle and one on the rear axle
spin? If only two tires spin then why?
I believe I remember once doing something similar to this with the engine
off (another earlier rotation of tires) and spinning the tires by hand. I
believe that the other tire turned in the opposite direction, I could be
wrong on this one.

Thanks in advance guys.

Phred - KD5AQB
Remember that when the pin is pulled, Mr. Grenade is not our friend.

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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:09:55 -0700
From: "McMahon, Todd R."
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: oil viscosity

Mike,

You wrote:

>The numbers on the can like 5w-30 mean that at 0 degrees F
>it acts like the lower number and at 200 degrees F it
>acts like the higher number.

I'm having a hard time understanding this...
It would seem to me that it would have to be just the opposite.
That at zero degrees F the oil must be at its thickest (30),
and at 200 degrees F the oil must be at its thinest (5).

Am I wrong on this? Perhaps someone can explain it to me.

Thanks,

Todd
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Date: 19 Aug 1999 10:37:48 -0700
From: "Paul Laughlin"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Up in the air

Fred Moreno wrote:

> Situation; In two weeks, we are planning to trek through the gorgeous Gila
> Wilderness in search of an abandoned mining town, in other words lots of
> stream crossings, steep rocky roads, mud, and a very nervous spousal unit.


The last I knew, it was illegal to take a motor vehicle into the Gila
Wilderness except on the main roads. I do remember a couple of guys
from a 4wheel drive shop attempting to go thru the Gila Wilderness.
they stuck the vehicles and walked out. Got caught and had to hire mule
teams to go in and bring out the vehicles. They wouldn't even let them
start the engines to help the mule teams. Very Expensive. And that did
not count the fines.
Paul in Portland OR (who lived in Silver City, NM at that time)
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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:15:29 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Diesel Power

>Just a question for you diesel experts. I have noticed that when I
>start running low on fuel, right
>before it starts surging and idling rough it seems to have a lot more
>power. I realize that it is not
>good for the pump to run dry- however I am curious about the apparent
>power increase with a
>"leaner" mixture. Any thoughts on this? I have installed dual exhaust
>in an effort to increase
>drivability, it did not seem to help much. Other than turbocharging -
>what else can I do to improve
>performance without sacrificing torque? Thanks for your thoughts....
>

I don't think it is possible for you to actually get more power from
running low on fuel. You are just feeling a power surge when the governor
opens up to try to make up for the lack of fuel.

The fuel pick up tubes in the tanks have a screen on the bottom, but they
also have a screen bypass inlet about in a inch up from the bottom. This
has a little rubber check valve in it that allows fuel to be sucked up if
the screen is plugged. I have seen these with a piece of dirt caught
undernieth that allowed air to be picked up when there was still a couple
inches of fuel in the tank.

I don't think there is too much you can do to improve your power. If you
can find a competent diesel expert they should be able to turn up your pump
a little. Are you getting black smoke now on wide-open throttle? If not,
you could probably get a little more power if it is turned up.


Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:21:39 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Up in the air

>Hey all,
>
> Just curious about something.
> Situation; In two weeks, we are planning to trek through the gorgeous Gila
>Wilderness in search of an abandoned mining town, in other words lots of
>stream crossings, steep rocky roads, mud, and a very nervous spousal unit.
>
> I have been going over the truck checking things out and this week-end if I
>can manage the time, I want to rotate the tires. While I have the truck up
>in the air, I was going to check the 4X4 system by starting the engine and
>engaging the transfer case and tranny.
>
> Question; Since this '95 F-150 has limited slip front and rear, with all
>four tires off the ground and tranny + transfer case engaged, which tires
>should be turning? Will one tire on the front axle and one on the rear axle
>spin? If only two tires spin then why?
> I believe I remember once doing something similar to this with the engine
>off (another earlier rotation of tires) and spinning the tires by hand. I
>believe that the other tire turned in the opposite direction, I could be
>wrong on this one.
>

Well to answer the question you asked, if the limited slips are both
working, all four wheels should turn.

Don't hit any mules!

Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
Early Oil Well Historian
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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:02:14 -0400
From: "Troy"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: Turn signal not working

On 18 Aug 99, at 8:55, Ken Brayton wrote:

>Checked all bulbs accept left front. Don't have the heart to
>pull off the trim! No blown bulbs found. In my experience
>with other rigs, a blown bulb usually cause erratic flashing
>or the turn signal light would just come on and not flash.
>True for Ford systems?

I had the pleasure of driving an '82 LTD which has a blown bulb in
the left rear. When I would turn on the left turn signal it would blink
REAL slowly, then when I would use the brakes, it would stop
flashing altogether until the brake pedal was released.

You might be a redneck if... Your truck is held together by a piece
of chicken wire and a roll of duct tape. - Jeff Foxworthy


Troy Williams
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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 21:37:03 -0500
From: Mike Persell
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: oil viscosity

"McMahon, Todd R." wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> I'm having a hard time understanding this...
> It would seem to me that it would have to be just the opposite.
> That at zero degrees F the oil must be at its thickest (30),
> and at 200 degrees F the oil must be at its thinest (5).
>
> Am I wrong on this? Perhaps someone can explain it to me.

Its more of this oil is actually a 5w but is designed to act
like a 30w at 200F because of the additive package. One of the
materials used in viscosity index improvers expands to about 28 times
its original size making the oil "act" thicker at 200 deg F. What its
actual viscosity may be will depend on heat, contamination, depletion of
additives, etc.

The more viscosity modifier you add the thicker the oil will get at the
higher
temperature, 200 deg F. BUT, the viscosity modifiers tend to stick the
upper rings because of the ring temperature, 1700F. That's why GM (brand
x) discontinued the use of 10w-40 in the mid 80's, the modifier built up
on the upper rings and stuck the rings and killed the cylinder walls.
The last I heard before I left the business was that GM would void the
warranty on your car or truck if they found you had 10w-40 in the pan.
On major warranty work they do test the oil for many different things if
there are sufficient claims made.

What this all has boiled down to is that we began to see 10w-30 or
15w-40 and
even 15w-50 (btw one of the strongest conventional oils on the market
was made by a mining company and was a 15w-50, Cato Oil and Grease
Mystik JT-8) and a few of the 5w-30 oils. There is also a 0w-30. 0w-30
doesn't mean that there is no viscosity, just that the oil acts like a
0w at zero deg F.

Most of the Indy cars run a 0 wt oil.

Mike
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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:23:23 -0500
From: "Dave Harmier"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - AIR Pump output goes?????

'91 F-150 5.8L/E4OD (Yuck!)

Where does the output from the AIR pump go? There is a big canister pass
side behind battery from it to pump, then from pump to a vacuum valve about
halfway back along exhaust manifold, then back up to a small canister above
the intake canister. There is a hose nipple on the small one that makes
noise (output) when the engine is revved.

Where should a hose go from there???? I guess to cat, but it's hard to
tell!!!

Help!!!

Dave H.
Houston
92 F-150 Mine
91 F-150 Dads, mine to fix!

P.S. Anyone elses PS box leak? What'd ya do about it?
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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:30:21 -0500
From: "Harris, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Up in the air

I don't remember him asking anything about his itinerary.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Laughlin [SMTP:plaugh spiritone.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 1999 12:38 PM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Up in the air
>
> Fred Moreno wrote:
>
> > Situation; In two weeks, we are planning to trek through the gorgeous
> Gila
> > Wilderness in search of an abandoned mining town, in other words lots of
> > stream crossings, steep rocky roads, mud, and a very nervous spousal
> unit.
>
>
> The last I knew, it was illegal to take a motor vehicle into the Gila
> Wilderness except on the main roads. I do remember a couple of guys
> from a 4wheel drive shop attempting to go thru the Gila Wilderness.
> they stuck the vehicles and walked out. Got caught and had to hire mule
> teams to go in and bring out the vehicles. They wouldn't even let them
> start the engines to help the mule teams. Very Expensive. And that did
> not count the fines.
> Paul in Portland OR (who lived in Silver City, NM at that time)
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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 23:31:24 EDT
From: Mobilepdr aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Transmission oil cooler

Take the out tranny line out of the radiator and put it into the tranny
cooler and install it in front of the radiator.That way it goes thru the
first cooler being the radiator then goes threw the external tranny cooler
then to the transmission.......happy towing
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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:32:23 -0500
From: "Harris, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Up in the air

If you rotate them yourself, that's fine but you'd do better if you let some
shop do it and have them balanced also. Got a Discount Tire in your area?
They do it for free.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Blake Malkamaki [SMTP:blake little-mountain.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 1999 6:22 PM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Up in the air
>
> >Hey all,
> >
> > Just curious about something.
> > Situation; In two weeks, we are planning to trek through the gorgeous
> Gila
> >Wilderness in search of an abandoned mining town, in other words lots of
> >stream crossings, steep rocky roads, mud, and a very nervous spousal
> unit.
> >
> > I have been going over the truck checking things out and this week-end
> if I
> >can manage the time, I want to rotate the tires. While I have the truck
> up
> >in the air, I was going to check the 4X4 system by starting the engine
> and
> >engaging the transfer case and tranny.
> >
> > Question; Since this '95 F-150 has limited slip front and rear, with all
> >four tires off the ground and tranny + transfer case engaged, which tires
> >should be turning? Will one tire on the front axle and one on the rear
> axle
> >spin? If only two tires spin then why?
> > I believe I remember once doing something similar to this with the
> engine
> >off (another earlier rotation of tires) and spinning the tires by hand. I
> >believe that the other tire turned in the opposite direction, I could be
> >wrong on this one.
> >
>
> Well to answer the question you asked, if the limited slips are both
> working, all four wheels should turn.
>
> Don't hit any mules!
>
> Blake
> Little Mountain
> Concord, Ohio
> Early Oil Well Historian
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>
>
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