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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - Cat Back 351
RE: FTE 80-96 - Cat Back 351
Re: FTE 80-96 - Tie Rod End
FTE 80-96 - Ford/Harley F150
RE: FTE 80-96 - Ford/Harley F150
FTE 80-96 - RE:Tie Rod End and a bit on Meineke
Re: FTE 80-96 - Ford/Harley F150
Re: FTE 80-96 - Ford/Harley F150
FTE 80-96 - Wobbly steering wheel again...
RE: FTE 80-96 - Cruise Control
Re: FTE 80-96 - Wobbly steering wheel again...
Re: FTE 80-96 - Getting in over my head
Re: FTE 80-96 - E-250 Destroyed
Re: FTE 80-96 - Why our F and E series can mess us up in accidents
RE: FTE 80-96 - fuel tank
RE: FTE 80-96 - fuel tank

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Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 06:40:25 -0400
From: "Michael McCarthy"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Cat Back 351

OK, folks. What is a Cat Back?

Michael McCarthy
Export, PA

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From: Blake Malkamaki
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, August 12, 1999 3:19 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Cat Back 351


>>It has seperate inputs into one cat, and I hear the cat has a restrictive
>>output (like about 1.5".)
>>
>
>Mine has 2.25". You could go aftermarket and get 3", but unless you are
>running 5 or 6 thousand rpm all the time you don't need that much airflow.
>
>
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Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 05:56:20 -0500
From: "Harris, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Cat Back 351

from the catalytic converter back---"cat back"!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael McCarthy [SMTP:mpmccarthy worldnet.att.net]
> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 1999 5:40 AM
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> Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Cat Back 351
>
> OK, folks. What is a Cat Back?
>
> Michael McCarthy
> Export, PA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Blake Malkamaki
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Date: Thursday, August 12, 1999 3:19 AM
> Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Cat Back 351
>
>
> >>It has seperate inputs into one cat, and I hear the cat has a
> restrictive
> >>output (like about 1.5".)
> >>
> >
> >Mine has 2.25". You could go aftermarket and get 3", but unless you are
> >running 5 or 6 thousand rpm all the time you don't need that much
> airflow.
> >
> >
> >Blake
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Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 08:53:40 EDT
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Tie Rod End

Gerry,
I would take it back to the shop that had the "boob" working there and make
them replace the tie-rod.
Later
Wayne Foy
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Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:36:40 -0500
From: Paul M Radecki
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Ford/Harley F150

I see only one problem with the new Ford/Harley F150: just where am I
supposed to put the bikes? Certainly not in that dumb little Flareside
short-bed (no offense, Wayne), especially since a hard tonneau cover is
included in the package. Short beds might be fine for dirt bikes, but
not for his-and-hers Electra-Glides! I wonder how badly those 20" wheels
and lowered suspension compromise the towing and payload ratings. Maybe
the next Ford/Harley joint venture should be a long bed SuperDuty
designed to actually haul big motorcycles! Not that I could afford
one...

lordjanusz juno.com
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'73 F100
'85 Honda Nighthawk CB650SC
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Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:42:43 -0600
From: "Giddens, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Ford/Harley F150

You could not get one ElectraGlide in the bed let alone two! Those things
are huge.

I never could understand why Harley riders had to haul their bikes to
Sturgis and not just drive them there. Then I talked to one Harley rider who
explained it to me, they would have to rebuild the engines after one trip
out there and back. Making the connection to an expensive over-priced,
unreliable, only for the rich toy is not the smartest thing Ford has done.
But I guess when you're on top who cares. I think Harley is getting more out
of this partnership.

Scott


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From: Paul M Radecki [SMTP:lordjanusz juno.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 1999 8:37 AM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Ford/Harley F150

I see only one problem with the new Ford/Harley F150: just where am I
supposed to put the bikes? Certainly not in that dumb little Flareside
short-bed (no offense, Wayne), especially since a hard tonneau cover is
included in the package. Short beds might be fine for dirt bikes, but
not for his-and-hers Electra-Glides! I wonder how badly those 20" wheels
and lowered suspension compromise the towing and payload ratings. Maybe
the next Ford/Harley joint venture should be a long bed SuperDuty
designed to actually haul big motorcycles! Not that I could afford
one...

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Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:57:52 -0600
From: "Smeins, Larry"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE:Tie Rod End and a bit on Meineke

First I think the guy screwed you. It is not necessary to remove a tie rod
end to check it. I just replaced all of the tie rods and ends on my sons 95
F-150 4x4 this past weekend so things are fresh in my mind. All the new
parts came from NAPA and the boots were separate from the joints. I had to
put them on before putting the joints into the tapered bolt holes. I don't
know if replacements are available but since they came as loose items in the
kit I would expect them to be available. It is necessary to remove the
joint to replace the boot.

Now on to the Meineke item. I knew that when the tie rods had been replaced
I would have to have the toe in adjusted. A Meineke shop was handy and they
were open on Saturday so I thought I would check them out. I stopped in
with the truck, before starting to work on it, and asked for a price on
replacing the tie rods and an alignment. The front end guy put it on the
rack and did a cursory check for worn parts on the front while I watched.
He said everything was OK except for the items I had identified as being
bad. He then went to the telephone and started calling for parts. After
about 15 minutes of phone talking and punching keys on his computer he
produced an estimate of $500 for replacement of the drag link, inner tie
rod, and one tie rod end and an alignment. I told him I'd have to think
about it and left in a bit of shock. I drove to the NAPA store for some
other parts and decided to go ahead and price the front end parts for a do
it myself repair. When I asked about them another counter man asked if I
had just come from Meineke. When I said yes he produced a sheet of paper
with all the part numbers I needed. When I was given the prices for the
parts I found that Meineke had tripled my walk into NAPA price on their
estimate. I bought the parts and one hour of labor had them all replaced.
Front end alignment will be done in an independent shop that has treated me
well. So much for Meineke

Larry


> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:30:40 -0700
> From: "Gerald L. Hinkle Jr. CPA"
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - Tie Rod End
>
> Hey list dudes,
>
> When having an alignment performed at a local tire shop the mechanic took
> it upon himself to examine my Tie Rod Ends for excess wear after hearing
> the signature pop in the front end when moving my truck. As many of us
> already know this pop is nothing to be concerned about for trucks of my
> type. Anyway, the boob ruined the tie rod end rubber boot when removing
> the tie rod for inspection. This, as you know, is a common problem when
> removing tie rod ends. My question is this, the rod end in question is
> the
> passenger side which is NOT removable from the tie rod. the rubber boot,
> initially only damaged has now removed itself completely. I cannot find a
> replacement boot, they are commonly affixed to the rod end when new. What
> should I do? The rod end is fine but completely exposed to the elements.
> I tried cutting a boot off of a similiar rod end that WAS new and sliding
> it on the rod end but this only lasted a few weeks before it too came up
> missing. I would keep replacing the boot but I cannot locate these boots
> without buying rod ends and cutting them off. Any ideas?
>
> Jerry Hinkle Jr. CPA
> "RULEMAKER" 94 F-350 Crew Cab 4x4
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Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:56:26 EDT
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Ford/Harley F150

In a message dated 8/12/99 10:47:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
lordjanusz juno.com writes:


short-bed (no offense, Wayne), especially since a hard tonneau cover is
included in the package. Short beds might be fine for dirt bikes, but
not for his-and-hers Electra-Glides! I wonder how badly those 20" wheels
and lowered suspension compromise the towing and payload ratings. >>

Paul,
I have fit 2 Suzuki GSXR750's in my Flareside...but then again those aren't
3ft wide hogs either. As far as the towing goes, the lowered suspension will
be stiffer and can probably hold the load, and airbags are always an option.
And no offense on the Flareside comment, I have pushed mine as far as the
hauling and towing goes and I know its nowhere near the capacity of a
standard bed.
Later
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
Wayne's Page
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Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:04:14 EDT
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Ford/Harley F150

In a message dated 8/12/99 11:46:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
sgiddens ball.com writes:


of this partnership.

Scott
>>
You got that right. I used to live in Daytona Beach, FL, and after being in
the city (I lived half a block from the infamous "Boot Hill" saloon, I can
tell you that Harleys are the most unreliable motorcycle made. I rode my '89
Suzuki GSXR 750R, for over 25000 miles without so much as a hint of trouble
and that was with major modifications. There was a guy down there selling
T-shirts one year that said,
" $15000 and 15 miles do not a biker make". The shirt was referring to the
little preppies that buy the new Harleys and as far as the bikes themselves
go, the $15000 had to be put toward repairs and the 15 miles were the amount
of miles per day the rider had to push it after it broke.
(ANTI FLAME WALL UP)
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
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Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:15:04 EDT
From: ACMERCG aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Wobbly steering wheel again...

It's happened again... I rebuilt the steering column last summer,
replacing nearly all the moving parts on the shaft. After some mild trail
running last weekend, it seems that the bearings have gone again. I already
ordered the parts I need since I still have the recipt from last year. Is
there anything that I can do about this? How do you get a manufacturer to
have a recall? NTSB? This is really a saftey issue because if turned the
wrong way the steering wheel will lock up and bind, causing possible loss of
control, unless some serious force is applied. Who else had this happened
to? I know there were a couple of guys, maybe 4 or 5 who contacted me last
year about this. I'd like to know what my options are because It is really a
pain in the ass to take apart those tilt columns.

Joe
Lost in Jersey
92 F-150 Nite 4x4
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Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:42:30 MDT
From: "DeseretMail"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Cruise Control

I checked a valve that lloks like what you are talking about. It is on the frame rail, and has a 3 wire plug going into it.

MIne does have the wires connected. Looks ok, not suer where they go to check for shorts on this end.

Kris
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From: Eric Sneed
Reply-To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:14:22 -0700

>It is the rear antilock control valve, I had to replace mine a couple of
months ago and have not had cruise since then. there is a 3 or 4 pin
connecter on the valve and I have wondered if the cruise control goes
through there?
Eric
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeseretMail [SMTP:heslop mail.deseretmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 1999 8:57 AM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Cruise Control
>
> Not a dumb question for me, although I do not know what was done
> before. What is the "rabs valve?"
>
> Kris
> 92 E-350
> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> From: Eric Sneed
> Reply-To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 08:28:05 -0700
>
> >Maybe this is a stupid question, but have you replaced the rabs valve
> recently? I ask because I replaced mine about two months ago and my
> cruise has not worked since. Yes is it is the pits not having cruise
> control
>
> Eric
> 89 f150 4x4 without cruise
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DeseretMail [SMTP:heslop mail.deseretmail.com]
> > Sent: Monday, August 09, 1999 8:27 PM
> > To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> > Subject: FTE 80-96 - Cruise Control
> >
> > I just bought a 92 E-350 and the cruise is dead.
> >
> > The owner told me that it was a vacuum problem, my mechanic looked
> > quickly, and said that the vacuum and electricity were good.
> >
> > I checked the steering wheel switches and they are working as far as
> I
> > can tell.
> >
> > My mechanic did not have enough time to finish it before we took it
> on
> > our first trip from Alpine UT to Turlock Ca (Near Modesto Ca of
> > American Graffiti fame.)
> >
> > Driving with out cruise was a pit. Going back I am concerned that a
> > Nevada Hiway Patrol might notice before I do that this bugger is
> > pegged. I can not afford a ticket right now.
> >
> > Some questions, from what I can see there is no vacuum for this
> Crusie
> > control set-up.
> >
> > SO that leaves only three other areas, (1) the cable going to the
> > throttle is broken, (2) the Cruise module is out, (3) the wires
> > between either the steering wheel or the fuse panel are broken.
> >
> > Does anyone have an idea which is most likely, or how to
> troubleshoot
> > to determine the correct component.
> >
> > Kris
> > Alpine Ut
> > 92 E-350
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Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 19:44:58 EDT
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Wobbly steering wheel again...

Joe
as ya recall i had a problem where the one gear thing that holds the tilt in
place shattered causing the tilt to bounce all around.. that was a fun
problem, and i ended up having to buy a new column....from the junkyard
which took two weeks to find and get shipped from Indiana..
Jeez i hope the column on the Ranger is a better design!!!!
Bob
89 F 250 2WD going real soon
99 Ranger 2WD coming real soon
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Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:20:38 -0500
From: "Dean E."
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Getting in over my head

At 02:06 AM 8/12/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Have a l987F150, low gear, posi traction,with a 302 EFI. Thought
>I had the overheating problem conquered.
>Draged a horse trailer to a show this weekend. Nothing to heavy for my
>setup.
>I am running a 160 degree thermostate. Full time cooling fan. Trans.
>cooler. Ran
>into overheating problems all the way there and back. I lost power on
>the way back. Got a bad stumble on exceleration.
>Waited until dark to get it home. Maintained it at a steady 45 mph to
>keep it cool. It boiled over one time during the trip. I run gages. It
>shot up suddenly to around 270 degrees after I shut it down.
>I have changed the throttle Position sensor. Cleaned the throttle body.
>Pulled the radiator and trans. cooler. I found a trans. line that had a
>kink. Was done before I bought the truck. I hope this was the problem.
>I changed the plugs. Three of them on the passenger side of the engine
>were toasted with the electrobes
>missing. Only could see a hole in the plug. These were Precision Guard
>plugs.P4RF-42 . Installed at the famous Precision Tune Up. I replaced
>them with Autocraft. It helped some but I still have a
>rough idle and a little stumble on exceleration. I was wondering if I
>should tear into the injectors or put it all back together and have it
>put on a computer check. I hope I haven't burnt a valve or piston.
>Does anyone have any advise?

Yep. Check radiator hose lines, thermostat, and radiator.

It sounds like your radiator is plugged. My best friend has a 1987 Bronco
with the 302 EFI, and when they took it out of storage, and we drove it
around, it would overheat in a matter of 10-15 minutes. They flushed the
radiator, and it helped a little, but after replaceing the radiator, not a
single problem. We drive all day sometimes, and not a single problem with
heat.

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Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 08:47:13 -0500
From: "Dean E."
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - E-250 Destroyed

Can't you somehow salvage the parts that are working? The insureance
company probably won't give you much money back on your customizations.
I would think that you could take anything out you wanted that worked.
Though, I'm not sure exactly how that would go over the insurance company.
But hell, the van will go straight to some junkyard anyway.

- -Dean
P.S. Sorry for your misfortune. Sure the woman didn't get a heart attack
when she knew she was going to hit you? ;-)


At 12:18 AM 7/20/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Hey,
>The same thing happened to me. I was hit so hard by that Ch#%y that my radio
>came out of the dash also. As much pain as I am in, I went to the yard where
>my truck now rests to retreive my chemicals and personal belongings. The rear
>doors are smashed but suprisingly opened. The body is buckled on top of the
>right wheel well.The floor is buckled up near the rear doors. Rear bumper
>crunched. but the left rear /side is untouched. Front left fender damage and
>front bumper, grill, radiator also.The wooden shelves that I built to hold
>gallon and quart containers & 5 gal pails are still intact. with all that
>weight and impact they never budged. I guess I did a good job on it.
>They will probably total it. I just rebuilt that 300 6cyl. Detailed the whole
>engine. Painted valve cover, oil pan, everything. If that baby goes to the
>junkyard somebody will have all new parts, including the new ac R134
>compressor. This 5 vehicle crash made the newspapers in my area (Tampa Bay,
>Florida) They drive like maniacs down here. There are many auto fatalites
>every day here. 6 people lost thier lives this week end in accidents in this
>area. Think my next truck will be an armored car. LoL.
>
>
> Joe
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Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:06:16 -0500
From: "Dean E."
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Why our F and E series can mess us up in accidents

My best friend (who's 16, as am I) was in an accident as the passenger in a
87 bronco. His mom was driving.
They were hit sqare on the right side by a full size van, with the bronco
doing about 15 (they were braking), and the van doing close to 25.
Needless to say, my friend did get a large bump on his head and arm when
his door caved into him, but the window didn't even break! The van was
totaled, and was leaking every fluid in it all over the ground. My friend
still drives this truck as his beater. The frame is tweaked though. It
pulls one way, and with the truck coming straight at you and looking
closely, the rear end tracks about 2-3 inches more to the left thatn the
front! As I said, its now a beater. It has like 197,000 miles on it, and
still works good. Tire wear is horrible though. Its fun to go through the
road construction in my city though. When it rains, on the way to school
in the morning we drive through the mud puddles called construction zones.
The truck has lost most of its power though. It's even been broke into 2
times.(stereo worth something, you know us teenagers ;-)

- -Dean




At 05:37 PM 7/21/99 -0400, you wrote:
>I agree with Bob.. I live in NYC and the people here ( especially the taxis)
>drive like maniacs... I drive my truck just like i would any other vehicle,
>and the whole reason I drive a truck cause if someone is stupid enought to
>argue with 5000lbs of solid metal comin at them they get what they deserve..
>Further more when the last jerk that decided to rearend me hit, he totalled
>his Lumina Minivan.. I had to spend a good half hour with a tow chain and a
>solidly mounted pole pulling the bumper back up to its position. I had no
>injury.. that driver went to the hospital complaining of neck and back
>pain.. go figure
>As a former insurance investigator, ive seen these new cars fold up and kill,
>one accident which burned into my mind involved a 1996 Dodge Neon which was
>hit by a 1986 Cutlass.. the Neon folded up so bad that three children (
>belted) were killed on impact.. Trust me Ill take the height and weight of my
>solid F 250 anytime.
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Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:11:59 -0500
From: "Dean E."
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - fuel tank

At 11:16 PM 8/5/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Yes, mine was also. The fuel, oil pressure and temp guages all work on the
>same basic principle: current flows through them and the heat generated
>makes the needle move to the right. No current due to open circuit means no
>needle movement.

I think it is the magnetism that is created by a current though a coil that
turns the needle. The higher the voltage/current, the farther the needle
turns.
No heat is generated.

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Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 21:01:11 -0500
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - fuel tank

What you describe is the guage design in GM vehicles. In our trucks they
are thermal. (At least from early 70's to early 90's. I can't afford
anything newer.) The shop manual is very clear on this. I have also had
them apart. You can tell because magnetic ones "jump" up to their reading,
but thermal ones take a few seconds to warm up and move to their reading
position.

At 09:11 12/08/99 -0500, you wrote:
>At 11:16 PM 8/5/99 -0500, you wrote:
>>Yes, mine was also. The fuel, oil pressure and temp guages all work on the
>>same basic principle: current flows through them and the heat generated
>>makes the needle move to the right. No current due to open circuit means no
>>needle movement.
>
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