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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - Remember the radiator cap
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Gas Mileage
FTE 80-96 - Re: 80-96- Lift ideas
FTE 80-96 - Re: 80-96-Can't find my 02 sensor
Re: FTE 80-96 - ABS/Brake light on dash
Re: FTE 80-96 - ABS/Brake light on dash
Re: FTE 80-96 - ABS/Brake light on dash
Re: FTE 80-96 - Remember the radiator cap
FTE 80-96 - well its time
FTE 80-96 - Re: FTE 80-96 looking for computer codes
FTE 80-96 - Double posts...
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 80-96- Lift ideas
Re: FTE 80-96 - well its time
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 80-96-Can't find my 02 sensor
Re: FTE 80-96 - Remember the radiator cap
FTE 80-96 - gas mileage
FTE 80-96 - off list topic~ 1972 Yamaha 350 RD
Re: FTE 80-96 - Remember the radiator cap
FTE 80-96 - Clunking Noise
Re: FTE 80-96 - Clunking Noise
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: overheating
Re: FTE 80-96 - Can't find my O2 sensor!!!
Re: FTE 80-96 - Can't find my O2 sensor!!!
FTE 80-96 - axle code
Re: FTE 80-96 - axle code
Re: FTE 80-96 - re: 300 vs. 302 milelage
Re: FTE 80-96 - Can't find my O2 sensor!!!
FTE 80-96 - Kens' Trip from TX to MD -- WAS: 300 vs. 302 mileage
Re: FTE 80-96 - Remember the radiator cap
Re: FTE 80-96 - Clunking Noise
Re: FTE 80-96 - Can't find my O2 sensor!!!
Re: FTE 80-96 - re: 300 vs. 302 milelage
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 80-96-Can't find my 02 sensor

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Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 07:31:23 -0400
From: "Michael McCarthy"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Remember the radiator cap

Just out of curiosity, why would the engine run cooler (water temp remain
lower) if the radiator is under pressure?

Michael McCarthy
Export, PA

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From: Bob Hirsch
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Saturday, August 07, 1999 10:37 AM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Remember the radiator cap


>Just a reminder to everybody who owns a truck with a few years on like mine
(an 84).
>Don't forget to change the pressure cap on your radiator once in while.
>I just changed mine and the motor is running noticeably cooler now on the
temp gauge.
>Cheap and easy maintence item I often overlook.
>
>
> 72/73 de Bob, W3CW
> New Hope Pennsylvania
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Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 07:38:25 -0400
From: "Michael McCarthy"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Gas Mileage

Your MPG is about 16.8

Michael McCarthy
Export, PA

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From: redmist mb.sympatico.ca
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Date: Sunday, August 08, 1999 12:58 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Gas Mileage


>I have a '94 F150 4x4 with 302, E40D and 3:31 gears. I went on a trip
>about a month ago, and figured out that I was getting 14 L/100 km's. I
>don't know what that converts to, but I thik it's either 16 or 19,
>depending on whether you convert using imperial or US gallons. Can't
>remember which one yields higher results, but I hope what I'm getting it
>19 and not 16. I'm tired of all the Chevy guys touting their 24 MPG BS
>and wonder whether they are going 55 with a tailwind. That sound pretty
>good for a truck, let alone a 350 which is what most of these guys
>have. Maybe they are using some wierd conversion I don't know about.
>Anyway, mine is based on an empty truck 300 miles one way, and loaded
>with furniture for the return home. 65 MPH with the air on the whole
>way.
>
>CIAO!
>
>Shel ~:O)
>
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Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 06:52:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: rokkinhorse webtv.net
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: 80-96- Lift ideas

I would encourage you to check out the Cepek lift kits.Their engineering
looks good and the stuff appears pretty stoutly made.They are pretty
spendy as opposed to others,but this is another one of these deals where
"you get what you pay for".My .02...

Randy Goolsby-94 Bronco EB/85 F250 4x4

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Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 07:07:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: rokkinhorse webtv.net
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: 80-96-Can't find my 02 sensor

Tony, If I'm bot mistaken the 351 HO didn't have an 02 sensor,it has a
carb. I CAN tell you that on my 94 351 that the 02 sensor is located at
the Y-pipe passenger side.If it isn't there,you don't have one.What was
the first year for EFI on a 351, 1990? AFAIK, the only carbbed engine
that had an 02 sensor was the VV (variable venturi) series in the early
80s,which also had an EEC. (eek 1?) From what I have heard from the
owners of these things,they were not real reliable and Ford mechanics
didn't have much more luck tuning or repairing them than the end users
did.

Randy Goolsby-94 Bronco EB/85 F250 4x4

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Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 09:23:51 -0700
From: redmist mb.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - ABS/Brake light on dash

Jim Cannon wrote:
>
> The ABS computer checks the system when you start and the light does not go
> out if it senses any problem. By shutting the truck off, you had the
> computer check it all again and it came up OK.

So why did it stay on for so long the first time? Could there be an
intermittent problem? I only mentioned the bulbs in my doors because
that's the last thing I did to the truck (just hours earlier). I also
have some noise coming from the front wheels when turning sharply that
is new, but this could be more problems due to the bad motor mounts that
need to be replaced, just as low gear gets the fan rubbing on the
shroud.

Shel

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Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 11:45:06 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - ABS/Brake light on dash

>Jim Cannon wrote:
>>
>> The ABS computer checks the system when you start and the light does not go
>> out if it senses any problem. By shutting the truck off, you had the
>> computer check it all again and it came up OK.
>
>So why did it stay on for so long the first time? Could there be an
>intermittent problem? I only mentioned the bulbs in my doors because
>that's the last thing I did to the truck (just hours earlier). I also
>have some noise coming from the front wheels when turning sharply that
>is new, but this could be more problems due to the bad motor mounts that
>need to be replaced, just as low gear gets the fan rubbing on the
>shroud.
>

I don't think the computer would have anything to do with lights that have
nothing to do with the motive power of the truck. Why would it care if
there is a door light on?

Someone put an Auburn Limited Slip rearend in my truck and apparently left
out the ring that the anti-lock brakes pick up on. Therefore they do not
work and the light stayed on. Therefore the bulb was removed. It is much
much better without anti-lock anyway.


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Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 12:36:13 -0500
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - ABS/Brake light on dash

The light comes on during the start-up self test. It only does the
self-test once at start up. Once the computer decides things are not right,
the light stays on until the truck is turned off. Then, when restarted it
does the self-test sequence again. If it decides things are OK at that
time, the light goes off. If not, it stays on.

Sounds like your truck passed the second time. It might be nothing or it
might indicate something is begining to fail. I think the dealer can pull
codes on the ABS just light they can on the engine computer.

At 09:23 08/08/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Jim Cannon wrote:
>>
>> The ABS computer checks the system when you start and the light does not go
>> out if it senses any problem. By shutting the truck off, you had the
>> computer check it all again and it came up OK.
>
>So why did it stay on for so long the first time? Could there be an
>intermittent problem? I only mentioned the bulbs in my doors because
>that's the last thing I did to the truck (just hours earlier). I also
>have some noise coming from the front wheels when turning sharply that
>is new, but this could be more problems due to the bad motor mounts that
>need to be replaced, just as low gear gets the fan rubbing on the
>shroud.
>

Jim Cannon
Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD
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Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 12:46:22 -0500
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Remember the radiator cap

At 07:31 08/08/99 -0400, Michael McCarthy wrote:
>Just out of curiosity, why would the engine run cooler (water temp remain
>lower) if the radiator is under pressure?

Good question!

The engine does not *directly* run cooler with the cooling system under
pressure. But it keep the coolant from boiling at a lower temperature.
Keeping the coolant as a liquid improves cooling in the engine. Also,
boiling coolant "boils over" and you loose your coolant (not a good thing).
So your engine *indirectly* runs cooler with the pressure cap working.

A 50/50 mix of antifreeze and water boils at about 265 deg. F if you keep a
good 14-16 psi pressure cap on the system. Without a pressure cap this goes
down to about 235 deg F (I do not know the exact number). The boiling point
elevation is greatly enhanced with pressure.

So, the coolant down in the deepest, hottest parts of the engine will stay
liquid even at the higher temperatures. Liquids cool better than vapor, so
the engine stays cooler than it would have if the pressure cap was not
holding pressure and you got a lot of coolant boiling in the engine.
Remember, there are "hot spots" in various places in the engine; your temp
guage only reports the average of everything passing by the sensor. You
want to keep all of the coolant a liquid.


Jim Cannon
Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD
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Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 14:09:17 EDT
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - well its time

Hi guys
well after much contemplation
2WD,, shes in reasonable shape and she runs,, and had just over 100 K on it..
Ive been offered some money from the dealer as a trade in on it, but i think
that its worth more.. So if anyone out there wants her the priceis $2500.00
Just email me and i will get back to you
Also if any of you have any experience with the ranger trucks please let me
know .. Ive ordered a new ranger which i hope to have within the next week or
so
Take care
Bob
Rolson1039 aol.com
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Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 14:23:21 -0400
From: "Sandy"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: FTE 80-96 looking for computer codes

I am looking for the computer codes for '92 F-150. Is there a web
site that has them?

Thanks,
Sandy

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Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 11:42:44 -0700
From: "Beth and Tony Fischer"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Double posts...

Hi all, sorry for the double posting. There was some confusion with my ISP
as to what exactly my e-mail address was, and the Majordomo didn't recognize
me for some reason. Anyway, I think I have it fixed!
Also, to all those who responded to the whereabouts of my O2 sensor, thank
you, I am going to go look right now!!

Tony


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Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 11:40:16 -0700
From: Bob Kennedy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 80-96- Lift ideas

I'll second that.

Bob

rokkinhorse webtv.net wrote:

> I would encourage you to check out the Cepek lift kits.Their engineering
> looks good and the stuff appears pretty stoutly made.They are pretty
> spendy as opposed to others,but this is another one of these deals where
> "you get what you pay for".My .02...
>
> Randy Goolsby-94 Bronco EB/85 F250 4x4
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Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 15:44:54 EDT
From: MRStace84 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - well its time

Bob,
I've got a 98 Ranger XLT 4x4 extended cab, 4.0 with an automatic trans. I've
had this truck for a year this month, and I like it really well. It has good
power and handles really well. The gas mileage isn't all that great though,
will my typical driving I get around 16 mgp, I think. I had an 87 2wd
before I got this one, and the more spacious cab design on the 98 is a
definite improvement.
Hope you enjoy your new truck
Stacy

84 F150 4x4
98 Ranger XLT 4x4

>>Hi guys
well after much contemplation
2WD,, shes in reasonable shape and she runs,, and had just over 100 K on it..
Ive been offered some money from the dealer as a trade in on it, but i think
that its worth more.. So if anyone out there wants her the priceis $2500.00
Just email me and i will get back to you
Also if any of you have any experience with the ranger trucks please let me
know .. Ive ordered a new ranger which i hope to have within the next week or
so
Take care
Bob>>
Rolson1039 aol.com
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Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 15:54:27 EDT
From: MRStace84 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 80-96-Can't find my 02 sensor

If that truck has a vacuum advance ignition system (Duraspark 2), and not a
TFI-IV with the feedback control carb, then it probably doesn't have and O2
sensor. I knew a guy who had and 86 with a 351 that had the D2.

Stacy

84 F150 4x4
98 Ranger XLT 4x4
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Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 17:00:57 -0400
From: "Michael McCarthy"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Remember the radiator cap

Thanks Jim. I was doing a sanity check and you confirmed my suspicions. I
didn't think the engine ran cooler. Basically, a pressure cap that produces
15 pounds of pressure will raise the boiling point of water from 212 degrees
F to 250 degrees F. Add to that the effect of the anti-freeze on the boiling
point and the water won't boil until it reaches 265 degrees F. So, a 50/50
solution of water and anti-freeze should raise the boiling point to about
230 degrees F. I would suspect that if a new radiator cap reduced the engine
temperature it is running too hot to begin with. That is, the water in the
radiator shouldn't boil without the pressure under normal operating
conditions, should it? The pressure aspect of the radiator is there for
extra protection under heavy load or at high altitudes.
Maybe I am wrong but if a new radiator cap caused my engine to run cooler I
would check the anti-freeze level, and if that was OK I would check the rest
of the cooling system. I would suspect that my engine was running too hot
under normal conditions. Make any sense?

Michael McCarthy
Export, PA

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From: Jim Cannon
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sunday, August 08, 1999 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Remember the radiator cap


>At 07:31 08/08/99 -0400, Michael McCarthy wrote:
>>Just out of curiosity, why would the engine run cooler (water temp remain
>>lower) if the radiator is under pressure?
>
>Good question!
>
>The engine does not *directly* run cooler with the cooling system under
>pressure. But it keep the coolant from boiling at a lower temperature.
>Keeping the coolant as a liquid improves cooling in the engine. Also,
>boiling coolant "boils over" and you loose your coolant (not a good thing).
>So your engine *indirectly* runs cooler with the pressure cap working.
>
>A 50/50 mix of antifreeze and water boils at about 265 deg. F if you keep a
>good 14-16 psi pressure cap on the system. Without a pressure cap this goes
>down to about 235 deg F (I do not know the exact number). The boiling point
>elevation is greatly enhanced with pressure.
>
>So, the coolant down in the deepest, hottest parts of the engine will stay
>liquid even at the higher temperatures. Liquids cool better than vapor, so
>the engine stays cooler than it would have if the pressure cap was not
>holding pressure and you got a lot of coolant boiling in the engine.
>Remember, there are "hot spots" in various places in the engine; your temp
>guage only reports the average of everything passing by the sensor. You
>want to keep all of the coolant a liquid.
>
>
>Jim Cannon
>Houston, TX
>'29 Ford Model A Phaeton '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
>'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD
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Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 16:44:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: docster webtv.net (Delvis Teruel Jr Teruel)
Subject: FTE 80-96 - gas mileage

'96 F-150 , long bed , 4x4 , 5.0 , 5 speed , 3:55 posi , 235/75/15 tires
, average between 17- 20 mpg depending on traffic.

Lotsa love Da docster

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Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 21:27:03 EDT
From: ACMERCG aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - off list topic~ 1972 Yamaha 350 RD

Anyone have one of these or know someone who does? It belongs to a buddy of
mine and I'm having a lot of trouble getting it running. I'm looking for
point gaps and general troubleshooting. Maybe someone with a wiring diagram.

Thanks,

Joe
Lost in Jersey
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Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 20:54:46 -0500
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Remember the radiator cap

At 17:00 08/08/99 -0400, you wrote:
>I would suspect that if a new radiator cap reduced the engine
>temperature it is running too hot to begin with. That is, the water in the
>radiator shouldn't boil without the pressure under normal operating
>conditions, should it? The pressure aspect of the radiator is there for
>extra protection under heavy load or at high altitudes.
>Maybe I am wrong but if a new radiator cap caused my engine to run cooler I
>would check the anti-freeze level, and if that was OK I would check the rest
>of the cooling system. I would suspect that my engine was running too hot
>under normal conditions. Make any sense?

If you did not have that 195 degree thermostat in there, yes. But with that
sucker in there you need the pressure cap. You can get away without it with
a 160 thermostat, or in an emergency with a 180, for a short time, without
running the A/C.

Jim Cannon
Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD
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Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 23:41:39 -0300
From: "Bowman, John A"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Clunking Noise

I have an 83 F100 LWB, 302 3spd auto with 60k miles. When I backup and put
the brakes on I get a clunk from the front left side. It does not happen
when I brake while moving forward. Any ideas? I have had the front end
checked and everything is tight.

*************************
J.A. Bowman
Halifax, Nova Scotia
Canada
email: jbowman mtt.ca
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Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 20:08:21 -0700
From: Bob Kennedy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Clunking Noise

Check the radius arm bushings, then the upper and lower ball joints. Maybe
even a shock mount. Something has a little play in it.

Bob


"Bowman, John A" wrote:

> I have an 83 F100 LWB, 302 3spd auto with 60k miles. When I backup and put
> the brakes on I get a clunk from the front left side. It does not happen
> when I brake while moving forward. Any ideas? I have had the front end
> checked and everything is tight.
>
> *************************
> J.A. Bowman
> Halifax, Nova Scotia
> Canada
> email: jbowman mtt.ca
> *************************
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Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 23:25:17 EDT
From: Lwskywalk aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: overheating

much appreciated info on the way to bristol my 180 degree tstat locked up so
i had a 160 with me so that is what i put on and it is runnin great with no
clucth fan at least on the way home pullin a little 5 by 8 trailer loaded
down with fourwheeler and misc parts and tools 360 miles was the total
distance. we'll have to seehow it does sittin in traffic

luke
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Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 23:27:03 EDT
From: Lwskywalk aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Can't find my O2 sensor!!!

look comin off the exhaust manifold were it goes into the stock y pipe just
before it splits

luke
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Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 20:58:12 -0700
From: "Beth and Tony Fischer"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Can't find my O2 sensor!!!

Well, I looked and looked today, and found NOTHING. I am thinking that I
don't have one. The reason I was going to change it is because during our
last trip towing the trailer, the "Emissions" light on the dash came on, and
won't go off! Also, my MPG went from 8.5(towing) to about 6! OUCH! Anybody
have any ideas as to how to pull codes, if my truck even has that feature???

Thanks,
Tony
1986 F-150 4x4 XLT Lariat
351 W-HO, built C-6


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From: Lwskywalk aol.com
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sunday, August 08, 1999 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Can't find my O2 sensor!!!


>look comin off the exhaust manifold were it goes into the stock y pipe just
>before it splits
>
>luke
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Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 23:38:27 -0400
From: "Kevin"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - axle code

Hello, My rear axle code is 18...does anyone happen to know what ratio this
is? I beleive it is pretty low, I will probably be changing it sometime to
get better gas mileage, as I really don't need a truck geared quite so low.

Thanks,
Kevin

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Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 21:04:32 -0700
From: Bob Kennedy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - axle code

Code 18 between years 83-86 is a 3.08 gear ratio.

Bob


Kevin wrote:

> Hello, My rear axle code is 18...does anyone happen to know what ratio this
> is? I beleive it is pretty low, I will probably be changing it sometime to
> get better gas mileage, as I really don't need a truck geared quite so low.
>
> Thanks,
> Kevin
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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 00:08:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Woods
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - re: 300 vs. 302 milelage

On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, Jim Cannon wrote:

> At 18:19 05/08/99 -0400, Ken wrote:
> >acm muc.de is an idiot. Please email him and tell him that he's an
> >idiot.

> Who is this acm muc.de person and why do you want people to e-mail him and
> tell him he is an idiot? (just curious)

Well, long story.

Short version: He broke into several machines here at kens.com, and
caused some _minor_ problems. He wasn't smart enough to cover his tracks,
and my security people suggested that everybody on staff add that to our
'sigs.

He's also a HUGE spam PRO guy.

Gas milage storys/pictures to follow shortly!!!!

- --
Ken Woods
kwoods kens.com
acm muc.de is an idiot.


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Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 21:10:14 -0700
From: Bob Kennedy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Can't find my O2 sensor!!!

Here is the site to get the codes out of an EEC-IV which is what you should
have. I've got the EEC-IV in my '86 Bronco 302 V-8.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://dalidesign.com/hbook/eectest.html

It also shows how to set up a V-O-M to read the codes. I got the codes out of my
Chilton's.

Hope this helps.

Bob


Beth and Tony Fischer wrote:

> Well, I looked and looked today, and found NOTHING. I am thinking that I
> don't have one. The reason I was going to change it is because during our
> last trip towing the trailer, the "Emissions" light on the dash came on, and
> won't go off! Also, my MPG went from 8.5(towing) to about 6! OUCH! Anybody
> have any ideas as to how to pull codes, if my truck even has that feature???
>
> Thanks,
> Tony
> 1986 F-150 4x4 XLT Lariat
> 351 W-HO, built C-6
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lwskywalk aol.com
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Date: Sunday, August 08, 1999 8:31 PM
> Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Can't find my O2 sensor!!!
>
> >look comin off the exhaust manifold were it goes into the stock y pipe just
> >before it splits
> >
> >luke
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> >
>
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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 01:15:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Woods
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Kens' Trip from TX to MD -- WAS: 300 vs. 302 mileage

On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, Ken Woods wrote:
> I've got a 89 f250 4x4, 302, 5spd, stock motor, 155K miles. 3" lift
> 35x12.50x16.5 I'm going to be towing a trailer (that weighs about 1200
> lbs) 1800 miles over the next 48 hours. I'll post gas milage results
> when I arrive.

Well, I've made the trip, with really no problems whatsoever.
Minor overheating incident in Tennesee, but that was running the AC on
high, at 75MPH, up the mountains. Turning the AC off fixed that, as did
refilling the resevoir at the next gas stop.

Here's the truck and trailer:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.kens.com/truckpics/trip_from_tx_to_md/gas_station_1.jpg
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.kens.com/truckpics/trip_from_tx_to_md/gas_station_2.jpg

Other pics of the truck are at: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.kens.com/truckpics

The VERY FULL trailer contained:
My bike (http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.kens.com/cbrpics)
3 - 2 drawer file cabinets
1 - 3 drawer dresser full of clothes
1 - 4 drawer toolbox full of tools

The truck bed had milk crates/laundry baskets full of household crap.

miles gallons mpg
337 28.79 11.70 San Antonio to Garland, TX --No A/C. 70-75mph
304 27.86 10.91 Garland to Little Rock --90% of this tank was
during the day, with the AC on high. 70-75-mph
339 30.88 10.97 Little Rock to Nashville --100% of this was
daytime, AC on high, 70-75mph
355 31.00 11.44 Nashville to Bristol --AC on and off, 70-75MPH
384 35.5 10.81 Bristol to Baltimore --At this point, I was tired
of driving. AC on high, 75-80mph.
Average:11.17 MPG


Interesting things on the trip:

Gotta love the names of towns in rural America:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.kens.com/truckpics/trip_from_tx_to_md/bucksnort.jpg

It's flat in Texas:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.kens.com/truckpics/trip_from_tx_to_md/flat_land_in_texas.jpg

It's not flat in Virginia:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.kens.com/truckpics/trip_from_tx_to_md/not_flat_land_in_virginia.jpg

Look closely:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.kens.com/truckpics/trip_from_tx_to_md/look_closely_1.jpg
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.kens.com/truckpics/trip_from_tx_to_md/look_closely_2.jpg


Here's two pics of the dash:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.kens.com/truckpics/trip_from_tx_to_md/4th_gear.jpg
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.kens.com/truckpics/trip_from_tx_to_md/5th_gear.jpg

Don't be alarmed by the lack of oil pressure, look in the lower right hand
corner. And no, my gas gauge doesn't work either. Yes, I know that it's
probably the voltage regulator. It really doesn't bother me.

Anyhow, knowing that I've got 35's, can y'all do the math, and let me know
what the R&P is???

Good trip, overall. 1700 miles in 34 hours. I should have been a truck
driver.

Comments welcomed!!!!

BTW, the trailer is for sale.
Taking offers over $1500 (that's what I have in it)
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.kens.com/trailerpics

(after-rereading this, I've realized, once again, that I'm a geek. How
many pictures can one person take?????!!!!????)

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Ken Woods
kwoods kens.com
acm muc.de is _still_ an idiot.




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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 01:16:49 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Remember the radiator cap

>Thanks Jim. I was doing a sanity check and you confirmed my suspicions. I
>didn't think the engine ran cooler. Basically, a pressure cap that produces
>15 pounds of pressure will raise the boiling point of water from 212 degrees
>F to 250 degrees F. Add to that the effect of the anti-freeze on the boiling
>point and the water won't boil until it reaches 265 degrees F. So, a 50/50
>solution of water and anti-freeze should raise the boiling point to about
>230 degrees F. I would suspect that if a new radiator cap reduced the engine
>temperature it is running too hot to begin with. That is, the water in the
>radiator shouldn't boil without the pressure under normal operating
>conditions, should it? The pressure aspect of the radiator is there for
>extra protection under heavy load or at high altitudes.
>Maybe I am wrong but if a new radiator cap caused my engine to run cooler I
>would check the anti-freeze level, and if that was OK I would check the rest
>of the cooling system. I would suspect that my engine was running too hot
>under normal conditions. Make any sense?
>
>Michael McCarthy
>Export, PA
>

But straight water conducts heat better than an antifreeze mixture. Just
don't use distilled water as it is very corrosive.


Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
Early Oil Well Historian
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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 01:22:45 EDT
From: CRGREENE1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Clunking Noise

Could also be a motor mount. I had the same thing happen to me a couple of
yrs. ago on my '92 F250 and that was the problem.

Chris
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Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 01:49:25 -0400
From: Martin Horne
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Can't find my O2 sensor!!!

On my '86 Bronco XLT 302 the "Emissions Light" is nothing more than a timed
device. Just to the right side of the steering column under the dash is the
control box. It is about 1.5 inches cube and has a hole in it that you can
stick a jewelers screwdriver into to press a little button. You press and
hold the button while you turn the ignition on and hold it until the light
goes out. Then the system is back to normal. If this fixes the light them
I'm afraid your MPG drop is unrelated.

Sears sells a pretty good code scanner with manual for approx $35. If you
have an EEC-IV then the test point on mine is passenger side of the engine
bay about half way between front and back.

Hope this helps. Good luck.

Martin Horne
Long Island, NY
'86 4x4 Bronco XLT, 302.

At 08:58 PM 8/8/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Well, I looked and looked today, and found NOTHING. I am thinking that I
>don't have one. The reason I was going to change it is because during our
>last trip towing the trailer, the "Emissions" light on the dash came on, and
>won't go off! Also, my MPG went from 8.5(towing) to about 6! OUCH! Anybody
>have any ideas as to how to pull codes, if my truck even has that feature???
>
>Thanks,
>Tony
>1986 F-150 4x4 XLT Lariat
> 351 W-HO, built C-6
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Lwskywalk aol.com
>To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
>Date: Sunday, August 08, 1999 8:31 PM
>Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Can't find my O2 sensor!!!
>
>
>>look comin off the exhaust manifold were it goes into the stock y pipe just
>>before it splits
>>
>>luke
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>
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Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 01:51:41 -0400
From: Martin Horne
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - re: 300 vs. 302 milelage

Ken,

Is "acm" still on muc.de ?

I took a prowl throught their system and couldn't find him as a customer.
Maybe your tactics worked and he has moved.




At 12:08 AM 8/9/99 -0400, you wrote:
>On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, Jim Cannon wrote:
>
>> At 18:19 05/08/99 -0400, Ken wrote:
>> >acm muc.de is an idiot. Please email him and tell him that he's an
>> >idiot.
>
>> Who is this acm muc.de person and why do you want people to e-mail him and
>> tell him he is an idiot? (just curious)
>
>Well, long story.
>
>Short version: He broke into several machines here at kens.com, and
>caused some _minor_ problems. He wasn't smart enough to cover his tracks,
>and my security people suggested that everybody on staff add that to our
>'sigs.....


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