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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - Leaking A/C
FTE 80-96 - Reading Axle Tags
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: overheating
FTE 80-96 - re: Rear axle seal
FTE 80-96 - Remember the radiator cap
Re: FTE 80-96 - Reading Axle Tags
FTE 80-96 - Re: Gas Mileage
Re: FTE 80-96 - leaking rear axle seal
Re: FTE 80-96 - Gas Mileage
Re: FTE 80-96 - 1989 F250 Lift Ideas
Re: FTE 80-96 - leaking rear axle seal
Re: FTE 80-96 - leaking rear axle seal
Re: FTE 80-96 - leaking rear axle seal
FTE 80-96 - For Sale :1988 Ford Bronco Rims
FTE 80-96 - Can't find my O2 sensor!!!
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Gas Mileage
FTE 80-96 - Bad Motor Mounts. Was: Noise in 4LO
FTE 80-96 - Can't find my O2 sensor!!
FTE 80-96 - ABS/Brake light on dash
Re: FTE 80-96 - Bad Motor Mounts. Was: Noise in 4LO
Re: FTE 80-96 - Can't find my O2 sensor!!!
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Gas Mileage
Re: FTE 80-96 - ABS/Brake light on dash

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Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 06:41:12 -0400
From: Martin Horne
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Leaking A/C

First, I would suggest if you are using 134 to go to your auto store and
get a can of leak sealer/detector. They have a combo for about $8 that
tries to seal the leaks and oozes UV dye where it cannot. You run the
system for a bit, and then look at it with a black light ( I bought a UV
light bulb in a party store and plugged it into my drop light). Wherever
the leak is will glow purple. I really show up well. That way you aren't
taking apart stuff you don't have to.

The leak sealer part works pretty well on minor leaks. Mine only leaks 2 to
3 ounces a year now so I didn't try to fix it.

If the connections are the "Garter" style quick connects then you need a
special tool that you can get at your parts store to disconnect them.

Good luck with it.


At 05:33 AM 8/7/99 -0400, you wrote:
>OK gang, I have a leaking A/C and I need to know what I am facing. I don't
>want to get into a major overhaul at this time but I don't mind changing a
>few connections. In other words, I want to attempt a cheap and cheerful fix
>for now. If changing a few connections doesn't do the trick I'll plan a
>major overhaul for later.
>How do you get those stupid connections apart. I believe they are referred
>to as "quick" connects. I am using R134a.
>
>Michael McCarthy
>Export, PA
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Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 07:52:46 EDT
From: RiTruckGuy aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Reading Axle Tags

Good Morning,

I've got two rear axle tags I'm trying to read.....unfortunately, I don't
have anything to reference them against.

The first tag is marked

WDM CF 1J08
3 00 9 S313B

The second tag is marked

WDM DB 1C03
2 47 9 S308B

I realize that 308 in the second tag looks an awful lot like a ratio, but I
haven't been able to find reference to a 3:13 ratio in a truck, thus adding
to my confusion. Any advise would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
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Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 08:16:08 -0700
From: "Steve Schmeckpeper"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: overheating

Luke, Autozone's got 'em for 29.99 with a lifetime guarantee ;^)
Smeck...87 F150
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Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: overheating


> my clutch is gone too but i also have a electric fan that pushes 2800
cfm's
> so im still in the clear i find that payin 60 for a fan clutch is a little
> much..
>
> luke
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Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 06:51:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: rokkinhorse webtv.net
Subject: FTE 80-96 - re: Rear axle seal


What would be the process for the Dana Rearend? I'm a little concerned
with this one, because it opens from the front.
Ed Saunders 86 F-150 302
Ed-
Which model Dana? Semi-floating or full floating?
Jim Cannon >> This doesnt sound like a Dana, it sounds like a 9". The
vintage of the truck and tonnage,as well as the "front-opening" would
tend to confirm it.

Randy Goolsby-94 Bronco EB/85 F250 4x4

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Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 10:36:00 -0400
From: Bob Hirsch
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Remember the radiator cap

Just a reminder to everybody who owns a truck with a few years on like mine (an 84).
Don't forget to change the pressure cap on your radiator once in while.
I just changed mine and the motor is running noticeably cooler now on the temp gauge.
Cheap and easy maintence item I often overlook.


72/73 de Bob, W3CW
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Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 09:38:29 -0500
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Reading Axle Tags

At 07:52 07/08/99 EDT, you wrote:
>Good Morning,
>
>I've got two rear axle tags I'm trying to read.....unfortunately, I don't
>have anything to reference them against.
>
>The first tag is marked
>
>WDM CF 1J08
>3 00 9 S313B
>
>The second tag is marked
>
>WDM DB 1C03
>2 47 9 S308B

My shop manual says Ford design axle tags contain the following info:
__________________________________________________________
[ axel model ?????? date(yr,mo,day) ]
[ ]
[ ]
[ ratio* ring gear diam. plant code ]
[_________________________________________________________]

* with L between 1st and second digit if traction-lok

So these are 9 inchers with 3.00 and 2.47 non-lockers. There is no
reference to a 2.47 axe in my manual, but it is for 1980 and perhaps Ford
came up with one later.

There is an error in my book such that I can not tell what the CF and DB are.

>
>I realize that 308 in the second tag looks an awful lot like a ratio, but I
>haven't been able to find reference to a 3:13 ratio in a truck, thus adding
>to my confusion. Any advise would be greatly appreciated.

You are reading the plant code. The S stands for Sterling; V is Van Dyke.
The letters and numbers after that are internal plant info.

>Thanks,
>Bill

You're welcome.

Jim Cannon
Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD
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Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 11:17:06 EDT
From: Awfanning aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Gas Mileage

I have an '82 F-150 Supercab with short bed, 4sp OD transmission, 300 ci 6
cyl, and 2.73 rear axle. I get maybe 14 mpg around town and 18 on the
highway at 65 mph. Back in the 55 mph speed limit days I saw as high as 21
mpg, but that was at what would be considered a walking pace now. This
appears to be a bit better than other posts for this engine (not bragging),
but many are using the AOD trans.

I will say that with my engine/gearing combination the truck is a gutless
wonder, but the reliability and ease of maintenance of the engine can't be
faulted.

Alan Fanning
San Jose
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Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 11:24:50 -0500
From: Edward Saunders
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - leaking rear axle seal

Is there a way to tell from the outside?
Ed Saunders

Jim Cannon wrote:

> At 15:04 06/08/99 -0500, Edward Saunders wrote:
> >Does anyone have any info about this? Thanks.
> >
> >Ed earlier wrote:
> >
> >> What would be the process for the Dana Rearend? I'm a little concerned
> with this one, because it opens from the front.
> >>
> >> Ed Saunders 86 F-150 302
> >>
>
> Ed-
>
> Which model Dana? Semi-floating or full floating?
>
> Jim Cannon
> Houston, TX
> '29 Ford Model A Phaeton '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
> '80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD
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Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 14:05:58 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Gas Mileage

My 88 F-150 4x4 with 302, 5-speed, 3.55:1 with headers. I get about 15 mpg.


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Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 14:14:34 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 1989 F250 Lift Ideas

>I am new here and I have a 1989 F250 XLT and I want to lift it 6 inches.
>Who has the best lift and how much does it cost? Is it true that I have
>4:10 gears stock, I have the 460/C6 combo. Can I fit 38's with the 6 inch
>lift I have 33's now stock? Superlift wants $1383 For thier superrunner
>setup does this sound right?
>Thanks
>Corey
>
>

I would say any of the major manufacturers' kits would work well. Pick up a
Petersen's 4 Wheel & off road and look in the ads and call them. Ask them
why they are better than their competition.

I would think you could go with 38s with 6 inches. I think 4.10:1 gears are
pretty common on 3/4 tons. We have them in our 89 diesel with no overdrive
and it sure needs some bigger tires. Way too low geared!

I know for the F-150s there is a choice of plain lift kits or ones with new
extended radius arms. F-250s don't have that option, but they should have
other options. I would suggest new rear springs rather than blocks.

Good luck.

Blake
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Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 13:47:42 -0500
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - leaking rear axle seal

The easiest way is to read the "rear axel" code on the data label on the
driver's door frame, if you are pretty sure you still have the factory
axel. You can read the tag, if it is still attached to the axel, but that
requires crawling down to look at it.

At 11:24 07/08/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Is there a way to tell from the outside?
>Ed Saunders
>

Jim Cannon
Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD
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Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 18:36:02 -0500
From: Edward Saunders
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - leaking rear axle seal

The tag on the door has the following specs on it:

WB 133
TYPE-GVW F142
BODY LKY
TRANS A
AXL (Its either a 16, or I6, or L6 its hard to
read)
SPRING B L

Based on those what does it sound like? I appreciate the help to everyone.

Ed Saunders 96 F-150 302

Jim Cannon wrote:

> The easiest way is to read the "rear axel" code on the data label on the
> driver's door frame, if you are pretty sure you still have the factory
> axel. You can read the tag, if it is still attached to the axel, but that
> requires crawling down to look at it.
>
> At 11:24 07/08/99 -0500, you wrote:
> >Is there a way to tell from the outside?
> >Ed Saunders
> >
>
> Jim Cannon
> Houston, TX
> '29 Ford Model A Phaeton '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
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Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 18:49:18 -0500
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - leaking rear axle seal

Ed-
My 1980 shop manual says code 16 axel is a Ford 3.50 ratio axel, not a
Dana. I do not trust my 1980 codes list to still be correct for the 1996
model year, though. Someone on the list with a book for a later model year
should answer you.

You should get a shop manual; they are full of valuable information.

At 18:36 07/08/99 -0500, you wrote:
>The tag on the door has the following specs on it:
>
> WB 133
> TYPE-GVW F142
> BODY LKY
> TRANS A
> AXL (Its either a 16, or I6, or L6 its hard to
>read)
> SPRING B L
>
>Based on those what does it sound like? I appreciate the help to everyone.
>

Jim Cannon
Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD
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Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 22:10:05 EDT
From: WVAIL3 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - For Sale :1988 Ford Bronco Rims

1988 Full size Bronco with factory mags with chrome trim rings and center
hubs. Mounted on them Dunlop 31 x11.5 in AT Tires with some life left
to them,,,,
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Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 22:03:50 -0700
From: "Beth and Tony Fischer"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Can't find my O2 sensor!!!

Help... My neighbor has parked his Roadster in my garage (temporarily, sore
subject), and I can't get to my shop manual. I need to replace the Oxygen
sensor in my 1986 F-150 with the 351W-HO, but I cannot find it! Stupid
question, I know, but I had to ask...

Thanks in advance,

Tony
Portland, Oregon
1986 F-150 4x4 Ext. cab long bed
351W-HO, built C-6



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Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 22:50:34 -0700
From: redmist mb.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Gas Mileage

I have a '94 F150 4x4 with 302, E40D and 3:31 gears. I went on a trip
about a month ago, and figured out that I was getting 14 L/100 km's. I
don't know what that converts to, but I thik it's either 16 or 19,
depending on whether you convert using imperial or US gallons. Can't
remember which one yields higher results, but I hope what I'm getting it
19 and not 16. I'm tired of all the Chevy guys touting their 24 MPG BS
and wonder whether they are going 55 with a tailwind. That sound pretty
good for a truck, let alone a 350 which is what most of these guys
have. Maybe they are using some wierd conversion I don't know about.
Anyway, mine is based on an empty truck 300 miles one way, and loaded
with furniture for the return home. 65 MPH with the air on the whole
way.

CIAO!

Shel ~:O)


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Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 23:03:44 -0700
From: redmist mb.sympatico.ca
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Bad Motor Mounts. Was: Noise in 4LO

I found out the problem I was having with my '94 F150 4x4 when in 4LO
was the motor mounts. Apparently, when I wound the motor up, it would
kick back and the fan blade was rubbing on the shroud. At the same
time, when applying the brakes (to simulate load) and trying to forward,
the motor made a racket and the rear exaust pipe looked like it was
going to poke itself out past the rear bumper!!

I have two questions:

1) I just had the oil pan gasket done a few months ago, and the shop
had to jack the motor to install the gasket (IFS). Did they have to
loosen the motor mounts to do that and could they have forgotten to
tighten them, or simply not tightened them enough? I'm not sure whether
they are broken or not, just they are the source of the problem
accroding to the tranny shop I took the truck to (I thought it was a
X-case problem).

2) How hard a job is this for a rookie? I am starting to get
adventurous, but not sure if I should try and tackle this one. The
tranny shop said 1.5 hours labour per side (3 hours). With a hoist and
all the special tools yet - maybe I'm pushing my luck. I bought 3 ton
floor jack today, already have a creeper and figure the money I save
will pay for the jack and any wrenches I have to buy. I suppose a Hanes
or Chilton is good idea too, seeing as I don't even know what motor
mounts look like!! What do you think, can I do it or should I leave
this one to the pros??

Shel ~:O)

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Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 22:05:52 -0700
From: "Beth and Tony Fischer"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Can't find my O2 sensor!!

Help... My neighbor has parked his Roadster in my garage (temporarily, sore
subject), and I can't get to my shop manual. I need to replace the Oxygen
sensor in my 1986 F-150 with the 351W-HO, but I cannot find it! Stupid
question, I know, but I had to ask...

Thanks in advance,

Tony
Portland, Oregon
1986 F-150 4x4 Ext. cab long bed
351W-HO, built C-6


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Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 23:11:18 -0700
From: redmist mb.sympatico.ca
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ABS/Brake light on dash

I started up the truck today, and the emergency brake light and ABS
light on the dash wouldn't turn off. I played with the emer. brake
pedal, checked al the exterior lights to make sure none were burnt and
couldn't figure out what was wrong. I finally shut the truck off for a
second and restarted it. The lights went out.

I should mention that I replaced two bulbs, one in each door panel, that
were probably not the right bulbs for this truck. I couldn't seem to
find a listing in the local parts store for a bulb for this particular
spot on the truck. Since I don't have the owner's manual, I simply took
the bulb with me, and picked one that appeared to fit. I couldn't read
the wattage or anything on the burnt bulbs, and the one I bought, didn't
have any mention of it on the package. Could this be causing problems?
Are the computers that smart that they can actually monitor the bulbs in
the doors and sense wattage discrepencies? TIA,

Shel ~:O)
'94 F150 4x4, 302, E40D

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Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 01:20:06 EDT
From: PMckee5253 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Bad Motor Mounts. Was: Noise in 4LO

if you dont know what motor mounts look like you should have it done
professionally. Or you could have a friend who knows what he is doing to
help you. Thats how I learned.
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Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 22:29:59 -0700
From: Bob Kennedy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Can't find my O2 sensor!!!

Should be on the passenger side exhaust manifold at the very end of it.

Bob


Beth and Tony Fischer wrote:

> Help... My neighbor has parked his Roadster in my garage (temporarily, sore
> subject), and I can't get to my shop manual. I need to replace the Oxygen
> sensor in my 1986 F-150 with the 351W-HO, but I cannot find it! Stupid
> question, I know, but I had to ask...
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Tony
> Portland, Oregon
> 1986 F-150 4x4 Ext. cab long bed
> 351W-HO, built C-6
>
> Beth, Tony, David and Danielle Fischer
> Sadie and Angel too!
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> Beth: ICQ# 21304630 AIM Tari135
> Tony: ICQ# 21246508 AIM Twotone74
>
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Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 02:14:14 -0500
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Gas Mileage

Using the numbers you gave me, I calculate 16.8 mils/gal(US). Sorry.

It is, in fact, 20.2 miles/gal(Imp.) I think it is quite respectable.

Jim

At 22:50 07/08/99 -0700, you wrote:
>I have a '94 F150 4x4 with 302, E40D and 3:31 gears. I went on a trip
>about a month ago, and figured out that I was getting 14 L/100 km's. I
>don't know what that converts to, but I thik it's either 16 or 19,
>depending on whether you convert using imperial or US gallons. Can't
>remember which one yields higher results, but I hope what I'm getting it
>19 and not 16. I'm tired of all the Chevy guys touting their 24 MPG BS
>and wonder whether they are going 55 with a tailwind. That sound pretty
>good for a truck, let alone a 350 which is what most of these guys
>have. Maybe they are using some wierd conversion I don't know about.
>Anyway, mine is based on an empty truck 300 miles one way, and loaded
>with furniture for the return home. 65 MPH with the air on the whole
>way.
>
>CIAO!
>
>Shel ~:O)
>

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Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 02:25:07 -0500
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - ABS/Brake light on dash

The ABS computer checks the system when you start and the light does not go
out if it senses any problem. By shutting the truck off, you had the
computer check it all again and it came up OK.

It does not know anything about the bulbs in your doors.

At 23:11 07/08/99 -0700, you wrote:
>I started up the truck today, and the emergency brake light and ABS
>light on the dash wouldn't turn off. I played with the emer. brake
>pedal, checked al the exterior lights to make sure none were burnt and
>couldn't figure out what was wrong. I finally shut the truck off for a
>second and restarted it. The lights went out.....


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