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80-96-list-digest Wednesday, August 4 1999 Volume 03 : Number 217



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In this issue:

RE: FTE 80-96 - Reputable Truck Parts and Acces. Company
RE: FTE 80-96 - fuel tank
FTE 80-96 - Re: FTE 80-96 Carb adjustment
FTE 80-96 - 89 f150 302 high idle between shifts
FTE 80-96 - Black oil in 351W
FTE 80-96 - 88' F350 Crew Cab LWB DRW Information?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Black oil in 351W
Re: FTE 80-96 - rear fuel tank/other problems
Re: FTE 80-96 - 88' F350 Crew Cab LWB DRW Information?
FTE 80-96 - Old vs Newer Trucks
FTE 80-96 - Ford Truck Magazine
Re: FTE 80-96 - 89 f150 302 high idle between shifts
Re: FTE 80-96 - 302 V8 or 300 I-6?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Ford Truck Magazine
FTE 80-96 - Turbo on Old 6.9

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Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 07:00:01 -0400
From: "Little, Ned"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Reputable Truck Parts and Acces. Company

Try this link. They carry standard parts at good prices.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.discountautoparts.com/index.html

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From: Cliff McLarty [mailto:dadinc icu2.net]
Sent: Monday, August 02, 1999 7:48 PM
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Subject: FTE 80-96 - Reputable Truck Parts and Acces. Company


I have heard of JC Whitney, but do not know of any other
companies/cataloges/websites that I should be looking at for
parts/ideas. Can you help? I am in Asheville, NC so need a storefront
with a website/mail order.

Thanks.

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Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 07:01:17 -0400
From: "Little, Ned"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - fuel tank

The comment I made was about a fuel sender.

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From: Jim Cannon [mailto:cannon zapware.com]
Sent: Monday, August 02, 1999 9:25 PM
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Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - fuel tank


At 07:51 02/08/99 -0400, you wrote:
>I don't believe it would be a bad connection because when the circuit to
the
>sender is opened the fuel gauge goes full scale. I think that the float in
>the sending unit was stuck on the bottom and after you filled the tank and
>it sat a while it eventually gave way and your indication was then correct.

No, actually, the guages work by heat and the lower the resistance in the
sender, the greater the heating in the guage and the higher it reads. So,
if you have an open circuit you have no heating and the guage reads empty
(or cold if temp guage, or no oil pressure, if oil guage).

Jim Cannon
Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD
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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 05:39:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: rokkinhorse webtv.net
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: FTE 80-96 Carb adjustment

Tim, On the dashpot adjustment, I set mine at about 1/32" after the
engine is warm and the choke is off. If I don't have it this close,the
460 backfires after alot of throttle has been applied.I never had the
backfiring until I re-installed the air pump.What really sucks on the
4180 (at least the one I have) is the lack of air and fuel
adjustment.They are all "fixed" and can't be set.

Randy Goolsby-94 Bronco EB/85 F250 4x4

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Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 08:31:23 PDT
From: "brian askme"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 89 f150 302 high idle between shifts

Hello list,
This is my first post so excuse any etiquette errors and feel free to
correct me.
Having said that, I have and 89 f150 302 fi 5spd std that every now and
then will continue to rev high between shifts. Not sure where to start
looking as this is the first fuel injected vehicle I have owned.
I have checked the throttle cable for possible friction areas but none were
noticeable. Also it doesn't change if I pull back on pedal with my toe..(had
many old beaters with sticky throttle linkages).
Any info would be great.
Bryan,Ontario Canada.


P.S. Great list with gobs of valuable info.


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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 11:06:57 -0700
From: "Dennis R. Fischer"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Black oil in 351W

Re: Black Oil after 1400 miles

I rebuilt my 351W awhile back. Right now it has about 3500 miles on the
rebuild. I did a complete job on it (reworked heads, reworked crank, new
pistons/rings, new cam, bearings, oil pump, boiled out the block, etc.).
About the only original parts left are the block, heads, oil pickup tube,
and the bolts that hold it together.

The thing runs strong and uses no oil. No noises or other indicators that
anything has gone wrong but...

The oil goes black after about 1400 miles. It's just dirty. No water or
gas in it. I had the same problem before the engine was rebuilt.

My question is, could the EGR or some other pollution device be causing the
problem? Since my engine is a 1986, its a plumbers nightmare. Hoses and
tubes going everywhere. Since I didnt touch this stuff during the rebuild,
Im hoping this might be where my problem is. Any ideas?

Dennis




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Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 14:43:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Mark F. Burgo ( Mark F. Burgo"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 88' F350 Crew Cab LWB DRW Information?

Well hello, this is my first post to the list and find most of the information
here interesting. I own an 88' F350 Crew Cab LB DRW truck that I need some
information on. I purchased this used and was planning to use it for towing a
travel trailer for my family. Ford and the Local Truck center are giving me
very differing opions on what this truck can tow and I thought this may be the
place to ask a few questions.

I did not recieve a manual with the truck and would like to know the tow rating
for this beast. It has a 351w engine, C6 transmission, and D5 (4.10) rear end.
GVWR is 10,000#.

I'll have more questions after I get this answered if no one minds....

Thank you for you assistance,

Mark F. Burgo
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Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 14:43:35 -0400
From: Mike Sloane
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Black oil in 351W

First off, modern detergent oil that is doing its job will pick up all the dirt
that finds its way into the engine. So you will never find that it stays clean
for very long. In fact, I would be more concerned if the oil didn't darken. And
it is possible that even with the block being boiled out, there might still
have been pockets of old "stuff" that is now breaking loose and getting into
the oil. If it were my engine and was performing well otherwise, I would not
worry about it.

Mike

"Dennis R. Fischer" wrote:

> Re: Black Oil after 1400 miles
>
> I rebuilt my 351W awhile back. Right now it has about 3500 miles on the
> rebuild. I did a complete job on it (reworked heads, reworked crank, new
> pistons/rings, new cam, bearings, oil pump, boiled out the block, etc.).
> About the only original parts left are the block, heads, oil pickup tube,
> and the bolts that hold it together.
>
> The thing runs strong and uses no oil. No noises or other indicators that
> anything has gone wrong but...
>
> The oil goes black after about 1400 miles. It's just dirty. No water or
> gas in it. I had the same problem before the engine was rebuilt.
>
> My question is, could the EGR or some other pollution device be causing the
> problem? Since my engine is a 1986, its a plumbers nightmare. Hoses and
> tubes going everywhere. Since I didnt touch this stuff during the rebuild,
> Im hoping this might be where my problem is. Any ideas?
>
> Dennis
>
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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 15:05:18 EDT
From: BigFords1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - rear fuel tank/other problems

You mean Hazard lights? Ya, they work, and blink!
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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 19:41:31 EDT
From: Spruce1495 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 88' F350 Crew Cab LWB DRW Information?

I easily pull a 27ft. 5th wheel with my F150, so an F350 should handle about
anything you want to tow.
Bill B.
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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 18:00:28 -0700
From: "Gerald L. Hinkle Jr. CPA"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Old vs Newer Trucks

I don't remember who started the thread by talking trash about older Fords
but I like it! It has been quite some time since the guys on this list
made positive comments related to their trucks. The discussion tends to be
dominated with discussions of problems with our trucks. Just to continue
the trend I would like to say this.........

My truck is a dream. I have enjoyed it since the day I purchased it. I
also gawk at the brand new trucks on the road but I would not trade it for
anything. My truck has allowed my family to enjoy camping/exploring in
areas of Mexico that I would never travel if I had a doubt about the
reliability of my truck. LONG LIVE FORD TRUCKS!

Jerry Hinkle Jr. CPA
"RULEMAKER" 94 F-350 Crew Cab 4x4
"LTS-ROK" 80 JEEP CJ-5
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Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 20:56:40 -0400
From: Cliff McLarty
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Ford Truck Magazine

I am doing some market research within the Ford community.

I have yet to find a magazine on the market that is specifically for
Ford trucks? (like Chevy Truck Magazine) Has anyone seen one? If so,
where and who published it? If not, would any of you have any interest
in one?

I am an entrepreneur and looking for other "Ford Enthusiasts" who are
also entrepreneurs to look into this project. Kenneth, what about you?
If interested e-mail me at dadinc icu2.net.

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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 19:22:50 -0700
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 89 f150 302 high idle between shifts

Well my friend's Chev pickup does the same thing (4.3L / 5 spd-- UGH), it
idles high between shifts. Of course his engine is TBI so there is not much
in common with yours. The first thing I would do would be to clean the
idle-air bypass valve. It is was controls how quickly engine RPM drops when
you let off the gas.

Rade
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From: brian askme
To: 80-96-list-digest ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, August 03, 1999 8:32 AM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 89 f150 302 high idle between shifts


>Hello list,
> This is my first post so excuse any etiquette errors and feel free to
>correct me.
> Having said that, I have and 89 f150 302 fi 5spd std that every now and
>then will continue to rev high between shifts. Not sure where to start
>looking as this is the first fuel injected vehicle I have owned.
>I have checked the throttle cable for possible friction areas but none were
>noticeable. Also it doesn't change if I pull back on pedal with my
toe..(had
>many old beaters with sticky throttle linkages).
>Any info would be great.
>Bryan,Ontario Canada.
>
>
>P.S. Great list with gobs of valuable info.
>
>
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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 22:22:46 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 302 V8 or 300 I-6?

>If mileage and reliablility are important to you then I would suggest
>finding a truck with an EFI 300. The 300 is a very sturdy and reliable
>engine, and with EFI you can get very good (for a full-sized truck) gas
>mileage. The 302 is DEFINITELY easier to trick out if you decide you want a
>hot rod truck in the future. But with a high flow exhuast and a K&N filter,
>the 300 will make planty of power for you.
>

From people I have talked with who have had either engine, they seem to get
about the same milage. The six is nicer to work on cause you can get right
in there and sit next to it to work on it.

Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 23:08:25 EDT
From: Flare8392 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Ford Truck Magazine

I have seen a Ford Truck specific magazine. I don't know the name or who its
published by and I have not seen it at any local newstands.But there
definitely is one.

TJ
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Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 20:42:01 -0700
From: Vogt Family
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Turbo on Old 6.9

I have been debating for a while on the merit of a turbo on my '86 F-250
even though the motor is quite old, on the order of 250,000...nothing is
particularly wrong with it other than it uses a bit of oil, more than a
quart per 1000, and smokes a little at idle when the light hits it
right. My reasoning is that I am going to have to rebuild it sooner or
later and might as well capitalize on the extra fuel mileage sooner
rather than later. As it is I think that one overhaul is all I will be
able to get out of the motor (in its current location) because the truck
probably won't last another one. Maybe I'll use it to repower my tired
old woodsplitter, I dunno.

That being said, can anyone give me their experience with these things?
I get 16 mpg at the time being. I can see that the turbo would help in
my case because I live in mountains and the truck is almost always black
smoking when I go uphill even at part throttle due to the elevation and
calibration of the injection pump. As it stands I could live with the
power output it has now but in a very few cases a little extra would be....


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