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80-96-list-digest Monday, July 26 1999 Volume 03 : Number 208



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - Wife's coffee killed my stereo!!
Re: FTE 80-96 - Starting Troubles...
FTE 80-96 - where is that module ?
Re: FTE 80-96 - where is that module ?
Re: FTE 80-96 - AC Conversion
Re: FTE 80-96 - Wife's coffee killed my stereo!!
Re: FTE 80-96 - Looking for an Altenator
RE: FTE 80-96 - New Ford owner
FTE 80-96 - Gas line plugged
FTE 80-96 - R134 AC Scam
Re: FTE 80-96 - E series or F series
Re: FTE 80-96 - Gas line plugged
FTE 80-96 - Dammit! It happened again!
Re: FTE 80-96 - Starting Troubles...
RE: FTE 80-96 - Wife's coffee killed my stereo!!
FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Web site updates
FTE 80-96 - Bosch Platinum +4 plugs
FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: New FTE caps
FTE 80-96 - Re: bronco panels
Re: FTE 80-96 - Bosch Platinum +4 plugs
Re: FTE 80-96 - Wife's coffee killed my stereo!!
FTE 80-96 - Ball Joint Removal
Re: FTE 80-96 - Bosch Platinum +4 plugs
FTE 80-96 - New exhaust
Re: FTE 80-96 - Bosch Platinum +4 plugs
AW: FTE 80-96 - R134 AC Scam; A/C conversion

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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 07:50:05 -0400
From: "Michael McCarthy"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Wife's coffee killed my stereo!!

Get some bacon, eggs and hashbrowns and grab your newspaper. Look for car
stereo ads and plan your shopping trip. I don't know what kind of stereo you
had but buying a new one is always fun. The only thing I want to know is how
did you get your wife to put her coffee on the dash. I need a new stereo for
my truck.

Michael McCarthy
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 09:09:43 -0400
From: Martin Horne
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Starting Troubles...

Greenman,

Does the engine turn over? If so, check for a spark at the plugs. From what
you replaced it is most likely that you missed something when you put the
new stuff in.

The EEC-IV is under the dash just to the right of the steering column. You
can normally see the plug going into it poking down below the trim. It's a
large 3inch by 1/2 inch plug.

Martin
Long Island, NY

At 01:47 AM 7/25/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Hello to all,
>
>My 86 FI302 has been sitting for over a month (with
>the battery out) and now she won't start. Battery's
>new, starter's fine, plugs, wires, ( made sure I
>didn't screw up connection order ) cap, rotor all
>replaced, getting spark. Does the fuel system need to
>be repressurized? Can gas go completely flat in a
>month? Any suggestions?
>
>Thanks,
>Greenman
>
>P.S. Where's the EEC-iv module located anyway?
>
>
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 09:58:27 -0400
From: "Serian"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - where is that module ?

> P.S. Where's the EEC-iv module located anyway?

It should be screwed to the distributor base.


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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 10:37:07 -0400
From: Martin Horne
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - where is that module ?

No- the unit screwed to the distributor base is the ICM (Ignition Control
Module) The EEC (Electronic Engine Control) is under the dash.


At 09:58 AM 7/25/99 -0400, you wrote:
>> P.S. Where's the EEC-iv module located anyway?
>
>It should be screwed to the distributor base.
>
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 10:52:19 EDT
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - AC Conversion

In a message dated 7/24/99 7:16:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
mpmccarthy worldnet.att.net writes:


Curiosity - The instructions say that the system must be free of R-12 before
putting the R-134a in the system. However, everything I read indicates that
it is an EPA regulation but nobody mentions any danger associated with
mixing R-12 and R-134a. Is there any danger to either me or my AC system if
there is a little R-12 remaining in the system when I ad the R-134a?

Michael McCarthy
Export, PA >>


Mike,
Yes there is a danger in mixing the oils from the Freon. It will cause a
highly acidic mess in you lines and it will decompose the Freon, and possibly
start eating all of the seals/o-rings. That's why if you do not have the
correct recovery equipment, take it to someone to do a recovery on the system.
Later
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
Wayne's Page
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 09:07:07 -0700
From: redmist mb.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Wife's coffee killed my stereo!!

Michael McCarthy wrote:
>
> Get some bacon, eggs and hashbrowns and grab your newspaper.

What? AND NO COFFEE??

Shel ~:O/

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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 10:18:59 CDT
From: "noneofyour business"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Looking for an Altenator

the alternator and/or regulator has failed you. The output should be 14-15
volts (nom. 14.4VDC) with the engine at any speed. But more realisticly at
1500 rpm or higher with acessories running. If you would like a nice H.O.
Alt. then check with Streetwires or Wrangler. Both are searchable on the
web. Other brands are available but these I have personal experience with
and are excellent quailty. Optima battery would be an excellent choice when
replacment is nesscesary.


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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 10:32:16 CDT
From: "noneofyour business"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - New Ford owner

I had a Ford that did the same thing. I tore it down one weekend and
replaced all the bearing and the pump, minus the cam bearings. And most of
my pressure loss turned out coming from there. I will still getting 35-40
lbs. on a hot day but was used to 50-60 at highway speeds. If you decide to
pull it out and replace bearing and rings, Go ahead and rebuild the whole
thing. It will only cost a few more dollars to settle your worries. And
the colloer usually will not help. If that was a problem you might consider
a higher grade oil. I recommend a 20-w50 summertime on a worn motor (over
100-150K miles)


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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 11:58:16 EDT
From: MRStace84 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Gas line plugged

I've been working on a friend's truck that has a plugged gas line (the steel
line, coming from the tank up to the fuel pump). The truck has been sitting
for a while, and old gas has varnished and gummed-up the line. I've tried to
blow it out with an air compressor, but it didn't work. Do any of you know
an tricks to unplug it such as pouring some sort of solutions into it that
would disolve the build up. Just thought I would ask, else I'm going to have
to rip it out and replace it with a new line.

Thanks,
Stacy

84 F150 4x4
98 Ranger XLT 4x4
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 12:43:26 -0400
From: Paul
Subject: FTE 80-96 - R134 AC Scam

Reading these AC questions, I wonder how many of you know what a scam
the R134 issue is.

You see, DuPont's patent on R12 was about to run out...that means that
anyone could make the R12 and not have to pay DuPont royalties, as the
case is if one has a patent on a product.

Well, after a lot of lobbyists money changed hands: viola!!! Suddenly,
an ozone hole problem was "discovered" by the politicians first, (there
isn't any problem...the variations of ozone hole size is due to sunspot
activity, etc. Remember Dixie Lee Ray talking about this back a few
years? That topic is muzzled, isn't it?) and....Freon was declared the
cause of this new problem!

DuPont came to the rescue with its inferior new product:
134...and...well, what do you know...that's another patent; how
convenient! And, of course, R12 was outlawed; no competition that way.
I mean, let's all save the enviornment, after all.

Question: How does all the Freon get up there anyway? It's heavier
than air. It go down.

Now, it'll be another 19 years or whatever the length is of the patent
until another environmental problmen will appear, and, I am sure, DuPont
will come to the rescue again.

Have a cool day,

Paul Gayda
Waynesboro, Va...home of a few Dupont plants; that's how I found this
out.
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 13:38:00 EDT
From: Kbeverwein aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - E series or F series

I don't see that happening with the diesel or any of the other box van. That
might happen if you are putting the majority of the weight on or behind the
rear wheels.
But if it does wear what you can do is put some weight in the rear and have
the front end aligned. We had to do that on some of our F-series 1 ton flat
bed Tow trucks.
That is my two cents.
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 13:51:35 EDT
From: Kbeverwein aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Gas line plugged

Sounds like the fuel tank filter is collasped. Did you Disconnect it from the
tank and try to blow air through it. Sounds like you will be pulling the
tank out to clean it any way. What year is it??
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 13:21:10 -0500
From: "Dave Harmier"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Dammit! It happened again!

I Didn't get the whole list again. I thought that had been resolved.
AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

Dave
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 11:39:26 -0700
From: Bob Kennedy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Starting Troubles...

Check for fuel at the fuel rail, the inertia switch (under the dash) may
have tripped.
The ICM (Ignition Control Module, should be on the base of the distributor.
The ECM (Engine Control Module) on mine it's at the bottom of the dash, to
the left of the ash tray.
On some, according to Chilton's, it's in the kick panel on the drivers'
side.

Bob


Christopher Tirone wrote:

> Hello to all,
>
> My 86 FI302 has been sitting for over a month (with
> the battery out) and now she won't start. Battery's
> new, starter's fine, plugs, wires, ( made sure I
> didn't screw up connection order ) cap, rotor all
> replaced, getting spark. Does the fuel system need to
> be repressurized? Can gas go completely flat in a
> month? Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
> Greenman
>
> P.S. Where's the EEC-iv module located anyway?
>
> _________________________________________________________
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 12:16:54 -0700
From: "McMahon, Todd R."
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Wife's coffee killed my stereo!!

If you turned on the power while it was still wet, it's probably toast.

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From: redmist mb.sympatico.ca
[mailto:redmist mb.sympatico.ca]
Sent: Saturday, July 24, 1999 8:09 PM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Wife's coffee killed my stereo!!

My wife had her coffee on my dash the other day, and tipped
it over.
She didn't tell me until I hopped in and noticed the radio
didn't work.
I couldn't figure it out at all. I checked the fuses etc.
and after
lots of frustration, my wife mentioned the coffee. It turns
out that
there is an opening (seam) along the dash at the edge of the
lip that I
would have assumed was supposed to keep things from getting
under the
dash. I guess a lot of the the coffee ran into the seam and
directly
down into the stereo. The clock/display doesn't even turn
on. Any
suggestions, or this thing toast?

Shel ~:O(


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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 20:39:15 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Web site updates

Ford Truck Enthusiasts web site updates:

Pictorial sections updated:
1. Pre-48
2. 48-52
3. 53-56
4. 97 and newer
5. small trucks
6. Rancheros

Link sections updated:
1. Antique cars
2. Ford trucks - Econolines
3. Performance trucks
4. Offroad trucks

As some of you may know, FTE takes active steps to
combat spam (Junk email). We have the following
measures:

1. for ford-trucks.com email addresses, POP3 login
is required before sending email through our
system.
2. we continually update a database of known spammers
and reject mail from them (13,000 known sources
right now)
3. Where possible, we mangle email addresses on the
web site.

We're pleased to announce that we now have a tool
on the web site (invisible to users) which activates
when an email address harvester hits our site to
try to get email addresses from the web pages. This
tool spits out tens of thousands of bogus email
addresses to the harvester, polluting their database
so badly that it is, in effect, rendered useless.

Also, if you haven't checked out the site in a while,
there is a page which links up to the US TSB/recall
database. You can get TSB and recall information for
Ford trucks and vans all the way back to 1966.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 22:21:11 EDT
From: LGRanch aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Bosch Platinum +4 plugs

Does anyone have any experience with the new Bosch platinum+4 plugs. These
plugs have 4 electrodes per plug and cost about $6 per plug. A few years ago
I switched to the Splitfire plugs. I did not notice any difference with them
at all. I have used Bosh platinum plugs before, never did notice a
difference. I wonder if these 4 electrodes are just hype. Anyone put them in
a 302.
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 22:36:42 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: New FTE caps

Fellow FTE members. Over the past year, I've had MANY
requests from members for Ford Truck Enthusiasts to
produce a baseball cap. We finally bit the bullet and
created one.

The cap is two-tone denim, blue jean colored bill with
khaki colored cap. It has "Ford Truck Enthusiasts"
embroidered on the front and the web address. We decided
that a high quality cap for a couple bucks more that
lasts a long time was better than a cheap cap that
wears out. This cap has an adjustable leather strap
instead of plastic and is made of pre-washed denim.
You'll find a picture of it on the web site plus a
link to purchase it. The picture is lousy since all
I have is a cheapo $70 computer cam but we put a closeup
of the logo and denim on the linked page with the
flatbed scanner so you can a close-up of the logo.

This is a limited item and they are for sale for
$11.75. As many of you know, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
funds its free web site and list services through the
sale of the items listed on our online store. As
always, you are NOT obligated to make a purchase.

Additionally, FTE is working on incentives for Association
Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts club members. Nothing is
carved in stone yet, but we're planning to offer a
discount to club members on ALL decals sold on the
web site. Additionally, we're working with a vendor
to provide a discount for first purchases made by
Association Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts club members.

Now back to our regular program.
Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts


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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 22:44:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andy Osborne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: bronco panels

bronco. com offers information on all sorts of body panels for broncos
both fiberglass and traditional. I would have gotten it for you but
the server seems to be down right now:( They have lots of info on
early and late broncos.


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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 22:49:06 CDT
From: "Bad Brian"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Bosch Platinum +4 plugs

i have had experience with the standard bosch platinums and was badly upset
by their perfomance. Mainly because 2 of 6 tips came out in my engine.
this cant be good for pistons. so i dont recommend them at all.

on the +4 side. I am an electrician and know for a fact you can only light
one path at a time. it would be my conclusion that if you keep a clean,
well maintained engine that you would not need the other 3 paths for ANY
reason. so why would you want to give your coil 3 other choices to fire?
am i not on the right path in my thinking?


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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 16:06:26 -0700
From: redmist mb.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Wife's coffee killed my stereo!!

McMahon, Todd R. wrote:
>
> If you turned on the power while it was still wet, it's probably toast.

The truck was running when it happened. She now tells me she was just
reaching for something and had her commuter mug in her hand at the same
time, which spilled on the dash. You'd think they would make the
recessed dash top out of one single piece of plastic instead of one with
a seam at the front of the inner lip of the recess, where anything that
spills automatically will run to. At the same time, maybe this was
Ford's idea of a drain (not!!)......you'd think that the engineers would
have found a better place than over the radio. I agree that there are
cup holers for a reason, but I can't think of any vehicle I've ever
owned that didn't have something spill on the dash at one time or
another. This is the first one I've noticed was not a sealed like a
bowl on top inside the recessed portion. Oh well, I guess I'll go buy
an Alpine. Hopefully these things aren't that hard to change.

Later,

Shel

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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 23:52:22 -0400
From: "Kevin"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Ball Joint Removal

Hello,
While rebuilding the front brakes on my '85 F150 2WD, I noticed the lower
ball joints are shot. I now have the spindles off, but I can't figure how to
get the lower ball joint out of the I-beam. Does anyone know how to do this?

Thanks,
Kevin

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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 23:29:42 -0500
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Bosch Platinum +4 plugs

I tend to agree with you.

I used some platinum plugs once in my van and was happy with them. They
last a LONG time, if you do not have any significant oil fouling. If you do
(high-mileage engine, for example) you will do better replacing regular
plugs more often.

My dad ran the factory set of platinum plugs in his Caddilac for 128 k
miles and it ran well the whole time. He sold the car with the original
plugs still in there. But they were not 4-electrode plugs -- they were
traditional design (which is all you really need).

At 22:49 25/07/99 CDT, you wrote:
>i have had experience with the standard bosch platinums and was badly upset
>by their perfomance. Mainly because 2 of 6 tips came out in my engine.
>this cant be good for pistons. so i dont recommend them at all.
>
>on the +4 side. I am an electrician and know for a fact you can only light
>one path at a time. it would be my conclusion that if you keep a clean,
>well maintained engine that you would not need the other 3 paths for ANY
>reason. so why would you want to give your coil 3 other choices to fire?
>am i not on the right path in my thinking?
>
>
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Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD
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Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 01:08:15 -0400
From: "Joey Deckard"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - New exhaust

I had a Flowmaster cat-back system installed on my 86 F-150 (351 4-V, auto,
4x4) installed couple of weeks back. I had the one muffler, two tailpipe
set up to start with and that is what I had installed. Before Flowmaster:
9.6 mpg, After Flowmaster: 11.5 mpg. This is after four tanks of gas,
all combined city and hwy driving. I have a few more things that I want to
do to help improve mpg, K&N filter, Jacobs electronic ignition set up,
synthetic engine/tranny oil, carb re-build etc. Would like to be able to
get it up to around 15mpg. Saw an ad in a JC Whitney catalog the other day
for a product called, I believe, a Tornado. It mounts inside you air
ductwork and supposedly forces more air in, thereby improving mpg, the
price was something like $69. Anyone ever heard of it, or tried it? Would
also be interested in any ideas on improving mpg. For now the F-150 is my
daily driver and I have about a 40 mile commute daily.
Suggestions/comments greatly appreciated.


Joey Deckard
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Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 01:23:49 EDT
From: CRGREENE1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Bosch Platinum +4 plugs

I'm not sure how good they are for the engine, I personally believe they
can't be all that bad. I did however put them in my '92 F250 w/ a 351W and I
have noticed a significant increase in power from the get go!

Just my .02
C. Greene
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Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 09:36:55 +0200
From: "Ucen, Thomas, PRE"
Subject: AW: FTE 80-96 - R134 AC Scam; A/C conversion

I just wonder why anyone would want to convert to R134a. I talked to my =
shop
since I need a refill and they said they use R413. It's as good as R12 =
and
works with the old system. The only system it does not work with is for
example an automatic A/C in older Caddies that has all sorts of =
pressure
sensors.

Tom
'93 Aerostar

- -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Paul [mailto:thegman cfw.com]
Gesendet am: Sonntag, 25. Juli 1999 18:43
An: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Betreff: FTE 80-96 - R134 AC Scam

Reading these AC questions, I wonder how many of you know what a scam
the R134 issue is. =20

You see, DuPont's patent on R12 was about to run out...that means that
anyone could make the R12 and not have to pay DuPont royalties, as the
case is if one has a patent on a product.

Well, after a lot of lobbyists money changed hands: viola!!! =
Suddenly,
an ozone hole problem was "discovered" by the politicians first, (there
isn't any problem...the variations of ozone hole size is due to sunspot
activity, etc. Remember Dixie Lee Ray talking about this back a few
....


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