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80-96-list-digest Saturday, July 24 1999 Volume 03 : Number 206



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - '86 F-150 running rich & low vacuum
RE: FTE 80-96 - '86 F-150 running rich & low vacuum
Re: FTE 80-96 - Trucks, Attitudes, Behaviors
Re: FTE 80-96 - E-250 Destroyed
Re: FTE 80-96 - Trucks, Attitudes, Behaviors
Re: FTE 80-96 - E-250 Destroyed
Re: FTE 80-96 - '86 F-150 running rich & low vacuum
Re: FTE 80-96 - E-250 Destroyed
RE: FTE 80-96 - New Ford owner
FTE 80-96 - Classics & Musclecar list?
FTE 80-96 - Truck Safety
Re: FTE 80-96 - Mileage/power
Re: FTE 80-96 - Trucks, Attitudes, Behaviors
Re: FTE 80-96 - E-250 Destroyed
FTE 80-96 - Body lift done

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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 06:10:58 -0400
From: "Michael McCarthy"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - '86 F-150 running rich & low vacuum

I just went through the same thing with my 85 F-150 I6. I would bet you have
a huge vacuum leak some place. I found that the problem was entirely due to
vacuum leaks. I changed all of the vacuum hoses, including the one down by
the transmission, and tightened the intake manifold bolts. I found several
hoses that appeared normal until they were actually removed and inspected.
Upon inspection they were cracked on the under side.
The thing that really worked was tightening the intake manifold bolts. I
still need to replace the intake manifold gasket and get new bolts but
performance was greatly improved so I'll leave it alone until I have time
work on it.
Oh, and don't forget to make sure the carb is seated well.

Michael McCarthy
Export, PA

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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 09:52:47 -0500
From: "Baldwin, Dave (CPCP Design)"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - '86 F-150 running rich & low vacuum

> -----Original Message-----
> From: CphgnCwby1 aol.com [mailto:CphgnCwby1 aol.com]
>
> Low manifold vacuum: 9-11 in. HG at idle.... should be between 16-22
> Codes: 42-O2 sensor indicates rich
> 25-Knock sensor- little change in signal
> 22-map- out-of-normal range
> Fuel pressure is fine (koeo- 35/koer-32)

Is this pressure 35psi/32psi? This is high. I don't know what it is
supposed to be offhand, but I think it's supposed to be more like 18-19 psi.
Check it out and see.

Dave Baldwin
Dallas, TX.
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 11:47:47 -0400
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Trucks, Attitudes, Behaviors

Andy Norris wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'd like to add to the discussion going on about trucks v. cars in accidents.
>
> When I drive cars I have always made sure to give pickups, vans, and larger
> vehicles more thought than what I give other cars. I don't change lanes in
> front of them at stop lights, even though there would be plenty of room to
> do so if it were a car instead of a truck. I give them more room when
> pulling out of a driveway onto the street/road.
>
> I had an S-10, and that thing drove pretty much like a car. I don't want to
> offend anyone, but the minitrucks seem like El Caminos on steroids. There's
> not a whole lot of similarities between an S-10 and a full-size truck.
>
> Now I drive an F250 with a super cab and an 8' bed. Parked next to a Jeep
> Cherokee, it makes the Jeep look like a matchbox car. The problem I have
> now with cars v. trucks, is that I must have been in the minority when I
> was driving cars, as to my behavior regarding giving trucks more leeway.
> More than once I've had to slam on the brakes because some a**hole frat boy
> in a friggin acura swerves in front of me approaching a stop light to
> better his position by one car length. I've had cars sneak up on my right
> and turn into alleys that I was preparing to turn into... not my fault
> about the wider turning radius. But had I not been paying attention to
> behavior like this, I would have totalled at least two fancy cars by now.
> And my truck, sad to say, is not built to handle, brake, or accelerate like
> these pocket rockets that I frequently have to protect with being more
> aware than they apparently are.
>
> There. I feel better.
>
> Thanks for letting me waste bandwidth,
>
> Andy
> 89 F250
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I drive a 94 Lightning...no where near as big as your truck and performs
better than most jap traps..but they do the same sh** to me also...but I
return the favor as I pass them back once traffic starts moving again
get in front of them and slow down...and dare them to try and pass me!
They think its all fun and games until someone does to them what they do
to everyone else! Just letting you know I know how you feel!
Chris
94 Lightning #381
NLOC #238
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:04:51 EDT
From: JSC721 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - E-250 Destroyed

Thanks for the info chris. I have all the receipts of the work done to the
truck. What kinda sucks is that I did most of it myself so I guess I will
only get paid for the parts. What about the labor? I busted my butt on that
truck. We will see what happens. In the meantime, its not easy to find
another truck. I cant afford to get a new truck because my business is still
building. My van was paymentless. It was all mine. so I will have to find an
88 - 90 year van. I need at least a 250 to handle the weight and an 8 cyl
engine.

Joe
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:17:52 -0400
From: Martin Horne
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Trucks, Attitudes, Behaviors

At 11:47 AM 7/23/99 -0400, you wrote:
>I drive a 94 Lightning...no where near as big as your truck and performs
>better than most jap traps..but they do the same sh** to me also...but I
>return the favor as I pass them back once traffic starts moving again
>get in front of them and slow down...and dare them to try and pass me!
>They think its all fun and games until someone does to them what they do
>to everyone else! Just letting you know I know how you feel!
>Chris
>94 Lightning #381
>NLOC #238
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In England we used to call this game "Trogging" whereby you would safely
pass the perpetrator who was doing 20mph sightseeing in a 50mph area and
then slow to half their speed in front of them as soon as it became
impossible to pass you. Lotsa fun then, gotta be careful about road rage
and that 45 automatic now. Best just to ignore them as best you can and get
as far away from them as you can as soon as possible.
Martin Horne
Long Island, NY
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:30:57 -0400
From: Martin Horne
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - E-250 Destroyed

Where are you? No point keeping an eye out if you're the other side of the
country!


At 12:04 PM 7/23/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Thanks for the info chris. I have all the receipts of the work done to the
>truck. What kinda sucks is that I did most of it myself so I guess I will
>only get paid for the parts. What about the labor? I busted my butt on that
>truck. We will see what happens. In the meantime, its not easy to find
>another truck. I cant afford to get a new truck because my business is still
>building. My van was paymentless. It was all mine. so I will have to find an
>88 - 90 year van. I need at least a 250 to handle the weight and an 8 cyl
>engine.
>
> Joe
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Martin Horne
Long Island, NY
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:21:30 EDT
From: CphgnCwby1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - '86 F-150 running rich & low vacuum

In a message dated 7/23/99 7:55:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time, baldwin ti.com
writes:


supposed to be offhand, but I think it's supposed to be more like 18-19 psi.
Check it out and see. >>


yes this is the pressure, and it is supposed to be between 30-40 on a mpfi
vehicle
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:18:28 EDT
From: JSC721 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - E-250 Destroyed

Hi Barry,
I asked the insurance dude that and he said that they have a contract with a
scrap yard that will take it. He told me that that give 80% retail value plus
anything that was added custom. It was set up for business operation, a
rolling storefront. Then theres the burden of finding another Van with the
suspenion, Shelving the inside , heavy duty hitch. Alot of stuff that I dont
feel like doing again. I guess it wont be so bad if I can get a little help
from my friends. Thanks for the idea.

Joe


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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 11:17:08 -0600
From: "Giddens, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - New Ford owner

Chris,

An oil cooler is not going to solve your problem dude, you have another
problem, maybe a worn out oil pump or motor.

If you still think you need one they are about 50-100 bucks. They are not
too hard to install, sometimes they connect to the oil filter connection and
either relocate the oil filter or mount it at 90 degrees off. Sometimes a
oil filter relocation kit is enough to cool it down and makes oil changes a
snap. I have heard stories about oil pressure sending unit inaccuracies when
using these products. The cooler itself mounts under the radiator sometimes
and is more likely to leak or get smashed.

Good luck,
Scott

- -----Original Message-----
From: Turbo16 webtv.net [SMTP:Turbo16 webtv.net]
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 1999 9:31 PM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - New Ford owner

Question, I own an 88 Full size Bronco with a 351. I am having oil
pressure problems when it warms up. I was wondering if anyone has any
info on an oil cooling unit?? Like how much (ballpark) & how difficult
is it to install? Any help would be greatly appreciated
Thanks
Chris
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 10:26:04 -0700
From: Nathaniel Ingersoll
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Classics & Musclecar list?

Off-topic (but related to Fords!) question:

I just got a classic/musclecar, and am wondering if anyone knows of a good
(ie, like this list!) mailing list for such vehicles. FYI, it's a '66 Ford
Galaxie 500 convertible, with a built 460.

Specific question for now is, the engine pulls very little vacuum at low
revs (idle), so the previous owner took out the vacuum boost on the brakes,
and they're REALLY TOUGH to use now, and the wife (whose car it is,
ostensibly) won't drive it until they're easier. Somebody at a tire/brake
shop told me that I could put a vacuum pump like a diesel has on it so that
we could get the boost back. Opinions on that?

Thanks!

N
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 11:00:51 -0700
From: "Tom Higgins"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Truck Safety

Hi all,

Thought I would add my two cents into the discussion on safety.
I had the opportunity to spend two years working at one of the
top 10 busiest trauma centers in the country (Las Vegas) and
have had lots of experience in other emergency departments
since then. While my observations are just that and not scientific
research I have consistently observed the following. If you are
are not intoxicated (don't drive drunk), wearing your seat belt,
and not traveling at an excessive speed (use common sense),
and are in a full size truck your chances of being significantly
hurt are dramatically less than they would be in a passenger
automobile. The drivers of full size pickups rarely get
transported to the emergency department for treatment and
when they do they are rarely injured to any significant degree
(this includes T-bones as the trucks are significantly higher
than most vehicles even when stock). Obviously you can be hurt
in a full size truck by another truck or something even bigger.
All bets are off if you violate any of the above conditions
(seat belts etc.).

This is why I drive my F150 and pay the higher gas bill. It is
life "assurance" (as opposed to insurance). I'm still upset with
my wife for buying a Cherokee (far to small) instead of the Bronco.

Tom in Phoenix

P.S. To all of you with recent accidents, I'm sorry about your vehicles
but happy that you are all okay (other than being sore).



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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 11:58:44 -0700
From: Vogt Family
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Mileage/power

On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, Turbo16 webtv.net (Turbo !) wrote:
>
> Actually it's exactly what it sounds like. It ampifies your spark. You
> plug it in between your distributer & coil and it amplifies the spark.
> When I went to a swap meet 3 months ago they where showing a demo on a
> truck. I watched them run a 8 cyl. engine on only 2 plugs. Believe it or
> not it works (I tried it on my Bronco) I paid $20 for it and it already
> paid for itself. They guy said that auto stores sell them for about $40.

I once ran a Ch^%y 350 on only 2 cylinders by shorting out all the rest
of the plugs with a diagnostic machine...

It had points ignition, burnt wires, and ran poorly to begin with.

I tend to disbelieve these demonstrations.

Birken
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 17:27:23 EDT
From: PSales264 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Trucks, Attitudes, Behaviors

I'm sure there are a lot of folks who sympathize with you, now just think how
those same people treat 18 wheelers whom they actually hate. I was south
bound on I-75, just north of Cincinnati in the center lane, approaching
another truck on my right, and noticed a lady in my right mirror at the right
rear of my trailer. I signaled to change lanes so she could pass me on the
left -center lane-but she gassed her mercury suv and drove forward into a box
.she was on my right and behind the other truck. She stayed there for 3 miles
be fore she realized I wasn't going to backout so she could cut in front of
me. finally she backed off and I moved over so she could pass me. Of course
she waved thanks with her middle finger. good luck PHIL
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 20:21:26 EDT
From: JSC721 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - E-250 Destroyed

I am in Clearwater, Florida.
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 22:34:23 EDT
From: ACMERCG aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Body lift done


Well guys, the body lift is done and my electric fans are in. I just
have to figure out how to set them up, relay's and stuff and I'll be good to
go. I wasn't able to get the tires, and it looks like I won't be able to get....


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