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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - Oil pressure
Re: FTE 80-96 - Mileage/power
Re: FTE 80-96 - New tires
FTE 80-96 - High Performance Exhaust
Re: FTE 80-96 - High Performance Exhaust
Re: FTE 80-96 - High Performance Exhaust
FTE 80-96 - Why our F and E series can mess us up in accidents
FTE 80-96 - 82 F100 Bed
Re:FTE 80-96 - 96 Explorer 'Check Engine' Light
Re: FTE 80-96 - New tires
Re: FTE 80-96 - Mileage/power
Re: FTE 80-96 - High Performance Exhaust
Re: FTE 80-96 - Why our F and E series can mess us up in accidents
RE: FTE 80-96 - Why our F and E series can mess us up in accident s
Off topic (was Re: FTE 80-96 - Why our F and E series can mess us up in accidents
Re: Re:FTE 80-96 - 96 Explorer 'Check Engine' Light
Re: FTE 80-96 - Why our F and E series can mess us up in accidents
Re: Re:FTE 80-96 - 96 Explorer 'Check Engine' Light
FTE 80-96 - power problem
FTE 80-96 - RE:New tires
Re: FTE 80-96 - Why our F and E series can mess us up in accidents
FTE 80-96 - RE:96 Explorer 'Check Engine' Light
Re: FTE 80-96 - Why our F and E series can mess us up in accidents
FTE 80-96 - Tranny swap
Re: FTE 80-96 - Mileage/power
Re: FTE 80-96 - Tranny swap
Re: FTE 80-96 - Spark Plug heat ratings
Re: FTE 80-96 - Mileage/power
RE: Off topic (was Re: FTE 80-96 - Why our F and E series can mess us up in accidents
RE: FTE 80-96 - Why our F and E series can mess us up in accidents 2
Re: Off topic (was Re: FTE 80-96 - Why our F and E series can mess us up in accidents
AW: Off topic (was Re: FTE 80-96 - Why our F and E series can mes s us up in accidents

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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 08:05:54 -0400
From: "Joey Deckard"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Oil pressure

I dont want to sound like a broken record, or be accused of comparing
apples to oranges, but like I said in an earier post I am not a "real
mechanic" so all I have to go by is personal experience. So, here it is,
another reference to my IH'S, the one I am presently driving has a
mechanical guage installed, and it has made several long trips recently,
and at hwy speeds records around 20-25 psi, and at idle, when hot and in
gear, it has around 5 psi, kick it into neutral at idle, increasing the
engine speed, and it goes to around 10psi. This engine is an IH 345, with
about 72k on it, dosent smoke or use any oil. Sorry about all the IH
references, but I have been fooling around with them for several years,
have a 77 SSII in my garage that is undergoing a ground up restoration, and
I guess it kind of gets into your blood. Will try to do better! :)


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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:04:00 EDT
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Mileage/power

Sounds like the motor is just worn out and in need of a rebuild. I know from
experience that the 351W should be very torquey down low and have great power
through the mid range. You might want to do a vacuum and compression check.
These will be the best factors to determine what problems your motor may have.
Later
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:11:37 -0500
From: Roy Houston
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - New tires

$99 for a set or $99 each? Dang, wonder if they'd ship me a set...

I have an '85 F-150 with 10.5 - 31.5 BFG TAs and they fit okay. My front
springs are sagging a bit and if I get too rowdy, the tires will tag the
fenderwell. Turning clearance is okay, no rubs. These were on the truck
when I bought it so I don't know what size rims I have but they're
aftermarket. You can see them in the '85 pictorial section. Black F-150
with red stripe down the side.

Roy

=Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 01:51:53 -0400 (EDT)
=From: Gary Perry
=Subject: FTE 80-96 - New tires
=
=Guys,
=
=My little old F150 is currently running 235/75 R15 tires which are
=wearing a bit thin on tread. A local Purcells is offering a good deal
=at the moment of a set of 31-10.50 R15 Goodyear Wrangler ATS for
=$99.95. Whether this is a con and they are really selling off the old
=ATs, as opposed to the new AT/S, I'll find out tomorrow. My question is
=whether the 31s will fit under the fenders okay. There appears to be a
=lot of space under there with the 235s but these are narrower anyway. I
=appreciate the answer can depend on how much inset/offset the wheel is
=set up with, I'm looking more at a generalisation.
=
=Thanks for any advice.
=Gary
=Mad Brit in Arizona

Roy Houston Richmond, TX (Houston 'burb)
85 F-150XL SC 351W H.O 4V
houston1 _at_ slb _dot_ com
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 08:44:43 PDT
From: 2insane excite.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - High Performance Exhaust

As I continue to go down the road to make my truck faster and more powerful,
I have chose to get a nice exhuast system in my truck. I was wondering if
any of you had experience with the exhaust of a 89 F-150 302 4x4. Anyone
done anything to a similiar vehicle? what did you use and what results did
you have? I was looking through my summit and jcwhitney and am thinking of
either the summit headers($160) or hedman hedders($95). Then I was going to
get the Gibson Superflow exhuast muffler and pipe($280). Any comments,
suggestions on these?
Will I be able to run the headers to the same pipes on now to the cats or
will I need some other kind of collecter? Also what is the purpose of the
dual cats on my truck? I remember it being discussed before but don't
remember if an answer was given. Would I be able to get away with only one
of them? Should i rip those out and buy a high-flo cat too? another $50-$100
there probably. Thanks for the help.

Glad the E-250 held up enough for you not to get hurt too bad.





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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:17:44 -0400
From: Martin Horne
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - High Performance Exhaust

I went for the Flowmaster Headers (I think) from Whitney and am regretting
it. So much so that I am about to order the Pace Setter "Shorty" headers. A
friend has these and they bolt right up to the existing exhaust system.
Also, they are smog legal with all the fittings.

It's not that the Flowmasters aren't powerful. The truck is great from
aboput 2000 rpm up, but the bottom end sucks and it has taken me 6+ months
to sort out the emissions stuff and find the right place to attach the O2
sensor.

At 08:44 AM 7/21/99 -0700, you wrote:
>As I continue to go down the road to make my truck faster and more powerful,
>I have chose to get a nice exhuast system in my truck. I was wondering if
>any of you had experience with the exhaust of a 89 F-150 302 4x4. Anyone
>done anything to a similiar vehicle? what did you use and what results did
>you have? I was looking through my summit and jcwhitney and am thinking of
>either the summit headers($160) or hedman hedders($95). Then I was going to
>get the Gibson Superflow exhuast muffler and pipe($280). Any comments,
>suggestions on these?
>Will I be able to run the headers to the same pipes on now to the cats or
>will I need some other kind of collecter? Also what is the purpose of the
>dual cats on my truck? I remember it being discussed before but don't
>remember if an answer was given. Would I be able to get away with only one
>of them? Should i rip those out and buy a high-flo cat too? another $50-$100
>there probably. Thanks for the help.
>
>Glad the E-250 held up enough for you not to get hurt too bad.
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:59:21 EDT
From: "aaron gordon"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - High Performance Exhaust

Hi guys,
I have a 1995 f-150 4x2 with a 302 and dual gas tanks. What is the best
bang for the buck in terms of performance? I was thinking about getting an
intake or a cat back exhaust. I don't want to do any major mods, just a
little suping up. I am also taking into consideration noise because I
commute about 40 miles a day and I frequently take 4 hour trips to see my
girlfriend. What have you done to your trucks and how has it worked for you?
Also, thanks to everyone who responded to my sagging front end problem.
I installed new monroe gasmatic plus shocks up there. Although it didn't
affect the ride height much It REALLY improved the ride and handling. My old
shocks were exploded and I when I puched them down with my hands they took 5
min to uncompress.

Aaron



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Date: 21 Jul 1999 10:26:36 -0700
From: "David W"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Why our F and E series can mess us up in accidents

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Glad to hear you are in (mostly) one piece after your collision.

One problem our F series trucks have (and share with E series
vans and other trucks) is what makes them so damn strong can
mess us up in a wreck, and that is the FRAME! When a car
gets hit, it crumples and the bending metal takes up the impact.
When our trucks get hit, the frame transmits that impact to US!

If we hit or are hit by a smaller vehicle, our mass will protect
us. If the other vehicle is close to the same mass as we are,
then its oh crap! OR, if you hit a solid object like a concrete
wall...that frame will make sure you feel the impact.

I used to own a Geo convertible. 1600 pounds of pure aluminum
foil. A van pulled out in front of me and stopped, I hit it. The impact
felt like you were stretching a rubber band as all that sheet metal
collapsed like it was supposed to. I did not have a scratch, my
passenger (car pool) hurt his back because he braced himself
with his hand instead of letting the seatbelts do the job. Had we
been in a truck, I think it would have been worse. And I would
have hurt or killed the van driver, who emerged unhurt also.

Which leads me to another thought: I find myself driving my truck
MUCH more careful than my cars, because I know if I hit anyone,
even if its THEIR fault, they will probably die. Am I the only one
that does this?

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Opinions are my own and not those of Intel corporation.
> On 18 Jul 99, at 21:01, JSC721 aol.com wrote:
>
> >Well, I never though it would happen to me but it did. My 89 E-250 took a
> >rear end collision impact at a red light from a chevy pick up at about 65
> >miles an hour this morning. The good news is that Im hurtin but survived
it.


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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 14:04:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Kupyn
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 82 F100 Bed

I need to replace the wood bed in my f100. Any suggestions as to a material
(pref wood) which would be affordable and durable. Thanks and great newsgrp
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 18:08:39 GMT
From: "Hummer Luvver"
Subject: Re:FTE 80-96 - 96 Explorer 'Check Engine' Light

yeah...it's just gimic to get you to go to the dealership and spend some
more money. They are the only people that can reset the light to where it
doesn't blink though. Mine's been blinking for 1000's of miles.---Nathan
'88 F-150 XLT Lariat w/224k miles


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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:37:11 -0700
From: redmist mb.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - New tires

Gary Perry wrote:

> My question is
> whether the 31s will fit under the fenders okay.

I'm certainly no expert, and a newbie on this list, but I just went
through this myself. They'll fit no problem. Any larger, and you'll
have bit of rubbing and possibly some trimming. How minor or major
depends on how much bigger you go. 31's are the largest I believe you
can go before you start having to modify your truck.

Sheldon Charron,
Manitoba, Canada
'94 F150 4x4


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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 15:00:30 EDT
From: BigFords1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Mileage/power

Thanks Wayne
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 15:07:48 EDT
From: Mobilepdr aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - High Performance Exhaust

I' have the 96 explorer with 302 v8 and i installed 3'' dynomax and
pipes straight back and its loud it sounds good but can be annoying at
times...It didn't do a whole hell of a lot maybe around 2200 to 4000 it seems
to pull a lil more but nothing seat of the pants i think a performance mag
rated it at around 7 1/2 hp at the rear wheels so it ain't much.. i had a
local performance shop do it for all under $235.00 installed not to
bad..........
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:09:37 -0700
From: Bob Kennedy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Why our F and E series can mess us up in accidents

No, actually I drive my Full size Bronco a lot more carefully just for that
reason. I know I'm big and heavy, it's where I want to be. The mileage, the wear
and tear, the repairs, all are ok by me. At 5000+ pounds...come and get me!

Bob


David W wrote:

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> Glad to hear you are in (mostly) one piece after your collision.
>
> One problem our F series trucks have (and share with E series
> vans and other trucks) is what makes them so damn strong can
> mess us up in a wreck, and that is the FRAME! When a car
> gets hit, it crumples and the bending metal takes up the impact.
> When our trucks get hit, the frame transmits that impact to US!
>
> If we hit or are hit by a smaller vehicle, our mass will protect
> us. If the other vehicle is close to the same mass as we are,
> then its oh crap! OR, if you hit a solid object like a concrete
> wall...that frame will make sure you feel the impact.
>
> I used to own a Geo convertible. 1600 pounds of pure aluminum
> foil. A van pulled out in front of me and stopped, I hit it. The impact
> felt like you were stretching a rubber band as all that sheet metal
> collapsed like it was supposed to. I did not have a scratch, my
> passenger (car pool) hurt his back because he braced himself
> with his hand instead of letting the seatbelts do the job. Had we
> been in a truck, I think it would have been worse. And I would
> have hurt or killed the van driver, who emerged unhurt also.
>
> Which leads me to another thought: I find myself driving my truck
> MUCH more careful than my cars, because I know if I hit anyone,
> even if its THEIR fault, they will probably die. Am I the only one
> that does this?
>
> --------------------------------------
> Opinions are my own and not those of Intel corporation.
> > On 18 Jul 99, at 21:01, JSC721 aol.com wrote:
> >
> > >Well, I never though it would happen to me but it did. My 89 E-250 took a
> > >rear end collision impact at a red light from a chevy pick up at about 65
> > >miles an hour this morning. The good news is that Im hurtin but survived
> it.
>
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 13:40:09 -0600
From: "Giddens, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Why our F and E series can mess us up in accident s

I would think the heavier vehicle will not stop as suddenly as a lighter car
would. The lighter vehicle would rebound backwards as the heavier vehicle
would just keep moving because of the difference in the inertia, which the
truck has more of because it is heavier. The truck would be able to
withstand a much greater impact before it would buckle. The collapsible
uni-body of the car would give due to the difference in the stiffness of the
two vehicles, basically the car would absorb most of the impact because it
is better designed to do so, it would crumple while the truck would just
keep moving forward. To put it in simpler terms, it is like the car hitting
a brick wall, the car IS designed to collapse and the wall is not. The wall
is stiffer, stronger, and immovable and anchored, or in the case of the
truck, much HEAVIER.

That is why I drive a truck and also why the insurance companies attempted
to pass some law to charge truck and/or SUV owners to pay higher than
average premiums. But it was a catch 22, it was brought to their attention
that if trucks are less damaged and cost the insurance companies less to
repair in similar collisions, then the cost is less than cars and therefore
the costs are offset as far as the insurance companies expenses are. Add to
that the truck owners on an average are safer drivers and they gave up
trying to force truck owners to pay for the repairs of the smaller cars.

So if you want to be safer, add about ton of cargo to your truck! Let the
guy who is driving like a jerk take all the impact.

Scott

- -----Original Message-----
From: Bob Kennedy [SMTP:bobkennedy uswest.net]
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 1:10 PM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Why our F and E series can mess us up in
accidents

No, actually I drive my Full size Bronco a lot more carefully just for that
reason. I know I'm big and heavy, it's where I want to be. The mileage, the
wear
and tear, the repairs, all are ok by me. At 5000+ pounds...come and get me!

Bob


David W wrote:

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>
> Glad to hear you are in (mostly) one piece after your collision.
>
> One problem our F series trucks have (and share with E series
> vans and other trucks) is what makes them so damn strong can
> mess us up in a wreck, and that is the FRAME! When a car
> gets hit, it crumples and the bending metal takes up the impact.
> When our trucks get hit, the frame transmits that impact to US!
>
> If we hit or are hit by a smaller vehicle, our mass will protect
> us. If the other vehicle is close to the same mass as we are,
> then its oh crap! OR, if you hit a solid object like a concrete
> wall...that frame will make sure you feel the impact.
>
> I used to own a Geo convertible. 1600 pounds of pure aluminum
> foil. A van pulled out in front of me and stopped, I hit it. The impact
> felt like you were stretching a rubber band as all that sheet metal
> collapsed like it was supposed to. I did not have a scratch, my
> passenger (car pool) hurt his back because he braced himself
> with his hand instead of letting the seatbelts do the job. Had we
> been in a truck, I think it would have been worse. And I would
> have hurt or killed the van driver, who emerged unhurt also.
>
> Which leads me to another thought: I find myself driving my truck
> MUCH more careful than my cars, because I know if I hit anyone,
> even if its THEIR fault, they will probably die. Am I the only one
> that does this?
>
> --------------------------------------
> Opinions are my own and not those of Intel corporation.
> > On 18 Jul 99, at 21:01, JSC721 aol.com wrote:
> >
> > >Well, I never though it would happen to me but it did. My 89 E-250 took
a
> > >rear end collision impact at a red light from a chevy pick up at about
65
> > >miles an hour this morning. The good news is that Im hurtin but
survived
> it.
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 16:10:24 -0400
From: Mike Sloane
Subject: Off topic (was Re: FTE 80-96 - Why our F and E series can mess us up in accidents

I think we can go round and round with this and get nowhere. I split my driving
among a brand new Subaru Legacy, an '83 F250 pickup with 302/6, and an '87 F350
dump with a diesel engine. And I can tell you that I have to pay attention when
I change vehicles. And I suspect that what causes many "accidents" between
trucks and cars is lack of understanding. when I am driving my trucks, I can see
well ahead of traffic and anticipate problems, whereas the cars vision is
usually limited to just a short distance at best or nothing at worst (as when I
am following an SUV or F350 dump truck). With the car, I can scoot in out of
lanes and pull into a stream of traffic without even thinking about it, but in
the trucks, I have to plan everything ahead of time and check my mirrors
regularly.

Now here is a big problem: a lot of people are buying SUV's and pickups these
days and attempting to drive them just the way they did when they had nimble
little cars, and that is when a lot of bad things happen. I have seen more than
my share of tipped over SUVs on dry roads, and lots of them (and brand new shiny
4WD trucks) slid into ditches during snow storms. And nobody at the car
dealership or Driver's Ed. ever tells these people that there is a big
difference between a car and a truck. I don't think that putting warning
stickers on the sun visor is really going to make it either. And you can stick a
big engine in a truck and get it to accelerate like crazy, but that isn't going
to help when you hit the Interstate off-ramp at 70 and discover a stalled bus at
the bottom of the turn. Some of the blame must fall on the manufacturers who
have been targeting yuppies and dinks with their advertising and convincing them
that it is the "in thing" to trade their BMWs and Lexuses in on souped up F150s
and Explorers. All I know is that when I see them I give them plenty of room to
do stupid things, and I have been thankful that I do more than once.

OK, I'm off my soap box now,

Mike

"Giddens, Scott" wrote:

> I would think the heavier vehicle will not stop as suddenly as a lighter car
> would. The lighter vehicle would rebound backwards as the heavier vehicle
> would just keep moving because of the difference in the inertia, which the
> truck has more of because it is heavier. The truck would be able to
> withstand a much greater impact before it would buckle. The collapsible
> uni-body of the car would give due to the difference in the stiffness of the
> two vehicles, basically the car would absorb most of the impact because it
> is better designed to do so, it would crumple while the truck would just
> keep moving forward. To put it in simpler terms, it is like the car hitting
> a brick wall, the car IS designed to collapse and the wall is not. The wall
> is stiffer, stronger, and immovable and anchored, or in the case of the
> truck, much HEAVIER.
>
> That is why I drive a truck and also why the insurance companies attempted
> to pass some law to charge truck and/or SUV owners to pay higher than
> average premiums. But it was a catch 22, it was brought to their attention
> that if trucks are less damaged and cost the insurance companies less to
> repair in similar collisions, then the cost is less than cars and therefore
> the costs are offset as far as the insurance companies expenses are. Add to
> that the truck owners on an average are safer drivers and they gave up
> trying to force truck owners to pay for the repairs of the smaller cars.
>
> So if you want to be safer, add about ton of cargo to your truck! Let the
> guy who is driving like a jerk take all the impact.
>
> Scott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Kennedy [SMTP:bobkennedy uswest.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 1:10 PM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Why our F and E series can mess us up in
> accidents
>
> No, actually I drive my Full size Bronco a lot more carefully just for that
> reason. I know I'm big and heavy, it's where I want to be. The mileage, the
> wear
> and tear, the repairs, all are ok by me. At 5000+ pounds...come and get me!
>
> Bob
>
> David W wrote:
>
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> >
> > Glad to hear you are in (mostly) one piece after your collision.
> >
> > One problem our F series trucks have (and share with E series
> > vans and other trucks) is what makes them so damn strong can
> > mess us up in a wreck, and that is the FRAME! When a car
> > gets hit, it crumples and the bending metal takes up the impact.
> > When our trucks get hit, the frame transmits that impact to US!
> >
> > If we hit or are hit by a smaller vehicle, our mass will protect
> > us. If the other vehicle is close to the same mass as we are,
> > then its oh crap! OR, if you hit a solid object like a concrete
> > wall...that frame will make sure you feel the impact.
> >
> > I used to own a Geo convertible. 1600 pounds of pure aluminum
> > foil. A van pulled out in front of me and stopped, I hit it. The impact
> > felt like you were stretching a rubber band as all that sheet metal
> > collapsed like it was supposed to. I did not have a scratch, my
> > passenger (car pool) hurt his back because he braced himself
> > with his hand instead of letting the seatbelts do the job. Had we
> > been in a truck, I think it would have been worse. And I would
> > have hurt or killed the van driver, who emerged unhurt also.
> >
> > Which leads me to another thought: I find myself driving my truck
> > MUCH more careful than my cars, because I know if I hit anyone,
> > even if its THEIR fault, they will probably die. Am I the only one
> > that does this?
> >
> > --------------------------------------
> > Opinions are my own and not those of Intel corporation.
> > > On 18 Jul 99, at 21:01, JSC721 aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > >Well, I never though it would happen to me but it did. My 89 E-250 took
> a
> > > >rear end collision impact at a red light from a chevy pick up at about
> 65
> > > >miles an hour this morning. The good news is that Im hurtin but
> survived
> > it.
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 16:23:33 -0400
From: "Matt Fitzsimmons"
Subject: Re: Re:FTE 80-96 - 96 Explorer 'Check Engine' Light

- ----- Original Message -----
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Subject: Re:FTE 80-96 - 96 Explorer 'Check Engine' Light


> yeah...it's just gimic to get you to go to the dealership and spend some
> more money. They are the only people that can reset the light to where it
> doesn't blink though. Mine's been blinking for 1000's of miles.---Nathan
> '88 F-150 XLT Lariat w/224k miles

No, it's not just a gimmick. The check engine light only comes on under
three conditions:

One is you are starting the engine, and the lamp check is running.

Another is that you are running a test and the computer is sending
diagnostic information back to you by flashing the check engine light.

Or, there is some sort of problem.

These lights don't get "reset".

Matt

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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 17:37:57 EDT
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Why our F and E series can mess us up in accidents

I agree with Bob.. I live in NYC and the people here ( especially the taxis)
drive like maniacs... I drive my truck just like i would any other vehicle,
and the whole reason I drive a truck cause if someone is stupid enought to
argue with 5000lbs of solid metal comin at them they get what they deserve..
Further more when the last jerk that decided to rearend me hit, he totalled
his Lumina Minivan.. I had to spend a good half hour with a tow chain and a
solidly mounted pole pulling the bumper back up to its position. I had no
injury.. that driver went to the hospital complaining of neck and back
pain.. go figure
As a former insurance investigator, ive seen these new cars fold up and kill,
one accident which burned into my mind involved a 1996 Dodge Neon which was
hit by a 1986 Cutlass.. the Neon folded up so bad that three children (
belted) were killed on impact.. Trust me Ill take the height and weight of my
solid F 250 anytime.
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 18:05:54 -0400
From: "Michael McCarthy"
Subject: Re: Re:FTE 80-96 - 96 Explorer 'Check Engine' Light

Actually, if you buy the Haynes Emission Control book they will tell you how
to "reset" the Check Engine light. I'll check the book for a 96 Explorer and
let you know what they say. However, as the gentleman stated there may be
some sort of problem. I'll check that also.

Michael McCarthy
Export, PA

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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 17:10:15 -0500
From: "Joel Thomas"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - power problem

when I accelerate from a dead stop the truck has gobs of power
just not on the hills between 3rd and 4th between 2nd and third I have to
rev it some but there still is power
I have 3.55 gears with 33's and a 351W taht is not to high of a gear
I know about offroading, I aint rockcrawling just muddiong and such.

Joel Thomas mailto:treefort prodigy.net
1984 F-150, 351W, 9", T-18,
Edelbrock intake,Holley 750 vac,
33" BFG MT's.
Little Rock,Ar





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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 16:57:12 -0600
From: Fred Moreno
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE:New tires

Hey Gary,

My F-150 4X4 had the same size tires from the factory, and I replaced them
with BF Goodrich A/T 31.00X10.50 all the way around without a problem. Yes
the A/T's are narrower than the one's you currently have.
The only thing I would recommend is when you are getting your "picture
taken" by officer Obby keep the speed just a hair under what you would want
the speedometer to indicate.
The reason being that you are probably actually going a couple of miles
faster than the gauge indicates. I had my cruise control set at 75 mph on
I-25 and right around Truth or Consequeces New Mexico, officer Obby pulled
me over for going 3 mph over the posted speed limit and proceded to lecture
me how NM was a no tolerance state! What an ice-a-hole!

Enjoy the new rubbers,

Phred
1995 F-150 4X4, Propane Powered 302, 5speed, Eddie Bauer
La Union NM/El Paso TX


From: Gary Perry
Subject: FTE 80-96 - New tires

Guys,

My little old F150 is currently running 235/75 R15 tires which are
wearing a bit thin on tread. A local Purcells is offering a good
deal
at the moment of a set of 31-10.50 R15 Goodyear Wrangler ATS for
$99.95. Whether this is a con and they are really selling off the
old
ATs, as opposed to the new AT/S, I'll find out tomorrow. My question
is
whether the 31s will fit under the fenders okay. There appears to be
a
lot of space under there with the 235s but these are narrower
anyway. I
appreciate the answer can depend on how much inset/offset the wheel
is
set up with, I'm looking more at a generalisation.

Thanks for any advice.
Gary
Mad Brit in Arizona



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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 19:01:47 -0400
From: Cliff McLarty
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Why our F and E series can mess us up in accidents

Exactly what I do. Being that I have a 16 year old new driver, I have the choice to
let him drive our Jeep Grand Cherokee, Chevy Suburban, or my 88 F-150 4x4. The only
one I let him drive is the truck. Safe and secure for him, except if someone
T-bones him in the door.

Cliff McLarty

Bob Kennedy wrote:

> No, actually I drive my Full size Bronco a lot more carefully just for that
> reason. I know I'm big and heavy, it's where I want to be. The mileage, the wear
> and tear, the repairs, all are ok by me. At 5000+ pounds...come and get me!
>
> Bob
>
> David W wrote:
>
> > rset="iso-8859-1"
> > Content-Tranncoding: 7bit
> > X-Priority: 3
> > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
> > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211
> > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211
> >
> > Glad to hear you are in (mostly) one piece after your collision.
> >
> > One problem our F series trucks have (and share with E series
> > vans and other trucks) is what makes them so damn strong can
> > mess us up in a wreck, and that is the FRAME! When a car
> > gets hit, it crumples and the bending metal takes up the impact.
> > When our trucks get hit, the frame transmits that impact to US!
> >
> > If we hit or are hit by a smaller vehicle, our mass will protect
> > us. If the other vehicle is close to the same mass as we are,
> > then its oh crap! OR, if you hit a solid object like a concrete
> > wall...that frame will make sure you feel the impact.
> >
> > I used to own a Geo convertible. 1600 pounds of pure aluminum
> > foil. A van pulled out in front of me and stopped, I hit it. The impact
> > felt like you were stretching a rubber band as all that sheet metal
> > collapsed like it was supposed to. I did not have a scratch, my
> > passenger (car pool) hurt his back because he braced himself
> > with his hand instead of letting the seatbelts do the job. Had we
> > been in a truck, I think it would have been worse. And I would
> > have hurt or killed the van driver, who emerged unhurt also.
> >
> > Which leads me to another thought: I find myself driving my truck
> > MUCH more careful than my cars, because I know if I hit anyone,
> > even if its THEIR fault, they will probably die. Am I the only one
> > that does this?
> >
> > --------------------------------------
> > Opinions are my own and not those of Intel corporation.
> > > On 18 Jul 99, at 21:01, JSC721 aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > >Well, I never though it would happen to me but it did. My 89 E-250 took a
> > > >rear end collision impact at a red light from a chevy pick up at about 65
> > > >miles an hour this morning. The good news is that Im hurtin but survived
> > it.
> >
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 17:11:40 -0600
From: Fred Moreno
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE:96 Explorer 'Check Engine' Light

Steve,

The Service Engine light on your vehicle is not mileage triggered. You have
an OBD II diagnostic system so that means that installing a jumper wire in
your diagnostic connector and counting the Check Engine light flashes is not
going to work either.
The only way to extract what your computer has diagnosed to be a problem is
to take it to someone with a scanner that is OBD II compatible. Any
reputable shop will have such a device with a knowledgeable person to use
it.
But by all means get a printout or something in writing that list all the
code numbers that were displayed (and their description would be nice too
but not required).
Do not let someone tell you that you had "an O2 sensor code" because if I
remember correctly there is something like 36 different variations of these
types of codes. The OBD II system is very specific about code description as
compared OBD I systems found in '95 and older model years.
If you get the code number and don't have the description, I (or someone
elso on this list) can get it for you and we can probably resolve the
problem without getting the shop too involved. Others on this list have
displayed such knowledge and skill many times over on this list.

Have a good one,

Phred
1995 F-150 4X4 Propane Powered 302, 5-speed, Eddie Bauer
La Union NM/El Paso TX

Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 11:24:51 -0500
From: Steve Isham
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 96 Explorer 'Check Engine' Light

My 1996 Explorer XLT hit 59372 miles and the 'Check Engine' light came
on. Is this light problem triggered or mileage triggered? The Explorer is
apparently running great & has not had any problems mechanical or otherwise
in the past.

I knew of a 81 Chevrolet Citation that had a mileage triggered 'Check
Engine' flag, right on the odometer, nonetheless.

Thanks,
Steve

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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 21:02:34 -0400
From: Martin Horne
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Why our F and E series can mess us up in accidents

Absolutely you are NOT the only person who takes MORE care in their truck.
It frightens the s*** out of me what I could do to one of those little
econo-boxes if I hit it - whoever's fault it was.

At 10:26 AM 7/21/99 -0700, you wrote:
>rset="iso-8859-1"
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>X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
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>X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211
>
>Glad to hear you are in (mostly) one piece after your collision.
>
>One problem our F series trucks have (and share with E series
>vans and other trucks) is what makes them so damn strong can
>mess us up in a wreck, and that is the FRAME! When a car
>gets hit, it crumples and the bending metal takes up the impact.
>When our trucks get hit, the frame transmits that impact to US!
>
>If we hit or are hit by a smaller vehicle, our mass will protect
>us. If the other vehicle is close to the same mass as we are,
>then its oh crap! OR, if you hit a solid object like a concrete
>wall...that frame will make sure you feel the impact.
>
>I used to own a Geo convertible. 1600 pounds of pure aluminum
>foil. A van pulled out in front of me and stopped, I hit it. The impact
>felt like you were stretching a rubber band as all that sheet metal
>collapsed like it was supposed to. I did not have a scratch, my
>passenger (car pool) hurt his back because he braced himself
>with his hand instead of letting the seatbelts do the job. Had we
>been in a truck, I think it would have been worse. And I would
>have hurt or killed the van driver, who emerged unhurt also.
>
>Which leads me to another thought: I find myself driving my truck
>MUCH more careful than my cars, because I know if I hit anyone,
>even if its THEIR fault, they will probably die. Am I the only one
>that does this?
>
>--------------------------------------
>Opinions are my own and not those of Intel corporation.
>> On 18 Jul 99, at 21:01, JSC721 aol.com wrote:
>>
>> >Well, I never though it would happen to me but it did. My 89 E-250 took a
>> >rear end collision impact at a red light from a chevy pick up at about 65
>> >miles an hour this morning. The good news is that Im hurtin but survived
>it.
>
>
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 22:53:49 -0400
From: "Kevin"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Tranny swap

I am buying an '85 F150, with 4-speed tranny. As gas mileage is a concern, I
was wondering how hard it will be to swap for a 5-speed. I know the shift
lever comes through the floor in a different spot. Are the crossmembers and
mounts the same? Will I need to change the drive-shaft length? Will it
actually improve my mileage much? The truck is 2WD with the 6-cyl eng.

Thanks,
Kevin


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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 23:40:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: Turbo16 webtv.net (Turbo !)
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Mileage/power

I went to synthetic motor oil and noticed an increase in my mpg. I also
added a spark amplifier that I bought at the swap meet and that also
helped. Good Luck!

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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 00:10:07 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Tranny swap

>I am buying an '85 F150, with 4-speed tranny. As gas mileage is a concern, I
>was wondering how hard it will be to swap for a 5-speed. I know the shift
>lever comes through the floor in a different spot. Are the crossmembers and
>mounts the same? Will I need to change the drive-shaft length? Will it
>actually improve my mileage much? The truck is 2WD with the 6-cyl eng.
>
>Thanks,
>Kevin
>

I don't know if it will increase your milage much- it depends on where your
engine's torque curve is most efficient and on your rearend gearing. Your
4-speed is a much better transmission than the 5-speeds.


Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 21:34:54 -0700
From: "Mark Behling"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Spark Plug heat ratings

For more information on spark
plugs in general, check out this article on spark plugs by Gordon Jennings at:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.strappe.com/plugs.html

Good Luck,

Mark
'96 F150 I6 5spd


>Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 06:59:14 EDT
>From: FLR150 aol.com
>Subject: FTE 80-96 - Spark Plug heat ratings

>Gang,
>As most of you know I like to drag race my truck and I am running NO2. My
>question to all you techs is this, I have GT40 Iron heads on it. Are the plug
>threads the same between the Cobra and Lightning heads? What is the stock
>heat range on a stock plug? I need to run a LOT cooler plug to deal with the
>NO2. I had a set in that were 1 range colder but welded the electrode to the
>firing point on 3 of these plugs. How do I read the heat ranges on Motorcraft
>plugs? I would like to keep using the Ford plugs, but I need at least 2 heat
>ranges colder, possibly 3 ranges.
>Later
>Wayne Foy
>'94 Flareside SC


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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 03:17:13 EDT
From: BigFords1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Mileage/power

I'm already running synthetic, but what I've never heard of a spark
amplifier. What is it?


David
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 19:27:27 +1000
From: les
Subject: RE: Off topic (was Re: FTE 80-96 - Why our F and E series can mess us up in accidents

On Thursday, July 22, 1999 6:10 AM, Mike Sloane [SMTP:msloane att.net]
wrote:
:
: Now here is a big problem: a lot of people are buying SUV's and pickups
these
: days

Hi All,
Pardon my ignorance, and at the risk of looking silly, what does SUV stand
for ? I have spent the last 24hrs trying to guess what it may be, and some
of them may be quite unprintable.

Regards.

Les W.
The Land of Oz

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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 19:27:22 +1000
From: les
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Why our F and E series can mess us up in accidents 2

: Which leads me to another thought: I find myself driving my truck
: MUCH more careful than my cars, because I know if I hit anyone,
: even if its THEIR fault, they will probably die. Am I the only one
: that does this?
:
I totally and unreservedly agree to defensive driving, but there are a lot
of silly people with a death wish out there.
My observation is it depends on the look of you vehicle, for example when
driving a F250 tow truck, with a combination pusher bullbar, and 3/8 steel
plated body, that tends to command respect. Lanes widen and other drivers
tend not to pullout in front of you, especially the smaller korean imports.
God help anybody caught between this truck and a hard place !!!
The F100 with a stock body tends to be overlooked as just a big car or ute
and I get to be cut of like anybody else. My wife traveling as a passenger
in both trucks has noticed the attitude difference, so it's not just me.

Regards.

Les W.
The Land of Oz




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From: "Michael McCarthy"
Subject: Re: Off topic (was Re: FTE 80-96 - Why our F and E series can mess us up in accidents....


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