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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - r12 to r134
FTE 80-96 - E4OD O/D failure
Re: FTE 80-96 - explorer performance results....
Re: FTE 80-96 - Manual Transmission fluid
FTE 80-96 - tranny cooler
FTE 80-96 - A/C problems
FTE 80-96 - RE: What area is everone In????
FTE 80-96 - Re: R12 to R134
FTE 80-96 - RE: "THE BEAST" lives again
FTE 80-96 - explorer performance
RE: FTE 80-96 - Electric fans
FTE 80-96 - tranny cooler
FTE 80-96 - A/C problems
FTE 80-96 - tranny?
Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: "THE BEAST" lives again
FTE 80-96 - Steering Wheel Play
RE: FTE 80-96 - Rade's fourth of July soapbox
RE: FTE 80-96 - Trouble with the law was: "THE BEAST" lives again
FTE 80-96 - Question on the Throttle Body of my F350's 460-CID
RE: FTE 80-96 - Question on the Throttle Body of my F350's 460-CI D
Re: FTE 80-96 - Question on the Throttle Body of my F350's 460-CID
RE: FTE 80-96 - Question on the Throttle Body of my F350's 460-CI D
Re: FTE 80-96 - Electric fans
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: What area is everone In????
Re: FTE 80-96 - 84 F150 Brakes
Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: "THE BEAST" lives again
Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: "THE BEAST" lives again
Re: FTE 80-96 - E4OD O/D failure
Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: "THE BEAST" lives again
FTE 80-96 - noises in front-end
Re: FTE 80-96 - explorer performance
Re: FTE 80-96 - 84 F150 Brakes
Re: Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: What area is everone In????
Re: Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: What area is everone In????
Re: Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: What area is everone In????
FTE 80-96 - 84 F150 Brakes
Re: FTE 80-96 - tranny cooler
Re: FTE 80-96 - r12 to r134
Re: FTE 80-96 - 84 F150 Brakes
FTE 80-96 - '86 v '87

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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 05:12:04 -0400
From: "Michael McCarthy"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - r12 to r134

You guys are talking about converting your air conditioning from old freon
to the new stuff that is environmentally safe, right?
I have a 1988 E-350 in a Motor Home and I have been suffering without air
conditioning for some time because I expected the conversion to cost around
$1,000.
Are you saying that it can be done a lot cheaper? Where have I been?

Michael McCarthy
Export, PA

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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:20:54 +0200
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rnar?= Huse
Subject: FTE 80-96 - E4OD O/D failure

The OD is electronically (mis)managed, which means that if your computer
is getting out-of-range signals from some sensor, it'll go fail-safe and
ignore the OD. I can easily reproduce this by hooking off the RPM sensor
or TPS (throttle position) sensor on my diesel van.

Have the codes pulled from your computer; more than likely it'll list
error and you can find the culprit.

Regards,
Bj=F8rnar

BTW: Trying to finance a -99 F-250 SC PowerStroke diesel; is the new
4R100 trans good enough for the PSD? Should I replace the front hubs
with manuals?

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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 06:35:06 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - explorer performance results....

>
> Does anyone know what the ford explorer with the 5.0 v8 awd 3:73 axle
>ratio does in the 0-60 and 1/4 mile times....I read a magazine that said the
>mercury moutaineer (same thing) did the 0-60 in 9.1 and 1/4 mile in
>14.0 100mph how is this possible...This must be a total mispring cause with a
>lil work this truck could be running with the vettes and stangs............I
>find this incredible hard to believe this 5000lbs truck can run with the
>stangs with the same engine and 2000lbs heavier..............ding

Wrong list. Try the small truck list.

Ken Payne
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 04:29:13 PDT
From: "Jim Kudulis"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Manual Transmission fluid

I had a 92 150 4x4 with the Mazda 5 speed, highway gears, and a 300 six. My
son had an 84 Sedan de Ville. He broke down about 35 miles from home. I
took the truck and my chain. When I got there I explained the braking plan,
the towed car does all the breaking to keep the chain tight. We set off on
the backroads home. Lots of hills and curves. About halfway home I decided
to pull over because the Caddy was really working the truck between gears.
Come to find out my son had his foot on the brake the whole way. He thought
I said keep the chain tight all the time. Once I patiently tried to swat
him we took off again. Seemed like pulling air from that point on.
Even with the full size Caddy and brakes on, the truck worked fine. We
probably never tried to get above 45 though.
The truck had plenty of pull. I'll bet the Caddy and my son weighed in at
5000 lbs. Well 4999 without a brain.
Jim



On Mon, 12 Jul 1999 23:08:15 -0500, Blake Malkamaki wrote:

> >At 21:51 11/07/99 +0100, you wrote:
> >>I have a 93 F-150 x-c, 4x4, with a 300-6, Mazda 5 speed and a 3:55
rearend.
> >>The manual claims 3000 lbs. max for towing. The same set up except with
a
> >>auto tranny is rated for around 5000 lbs. Heck my old Toyota 4 cyl was
> >>rated at 3500 lbs. I want to pull a small travel trailor with it at
around
> >>4500 lbs. I was also going to use Mobile 1 synthetic ATF and try to
put a
> >>tranny oil cooler on it. Anyone have any thoughts on this or towed a
> >>similar load with this set up. I hate to leave gears on the road!
Anyone
> >>installed a oil cooler for this tranny? Thanks
> >
> >OK, first of all, NO TRANSMISSION COOLER WILL CONNECT TO THIS
TRANSMISSION!
> >It is a manual transmission and there is no pump to push the fluid
through
> >a cooler. (Good idea, though.)
> >
> >Now that we have THAT out of the way...
> >
> >The engineers at Ford have put the weight limit if the trailer you tow
with
> >this transmission at 3000 lbs because they know that it is a very
> >lightweight transmissiona and if you try to pull more than that for very
> >long or very far that it will likely fail and you will not be happy :-(.
>
> There just too darned high geared in first and reverse to do much with
any
> load. This transmission should never have been put in a truck.
>
> Blake
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 14:01:51 +0200
From: "Ucen, Thomas, PRE"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - tranny cooler

Folks,

I had my '93 Aerostar hoisted up this weekend and I noticed that the
autotranny cooling lines run through the radiator plus through an extra
cooler mounted behind the bumper. Did this come standard with the Aerostars
or is this an option (for towing etc.)?? What's the max.weight of a trailer
a 3.0L Aerostar may tow?

Thanks,

Tom
1993 Aerostar 3.0L
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 14:17:52 +0200
From: "Ucen, Thomas, PRE"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - A/C problems

Last week I lost the A/C on my '93 Aerostar (3 liter engine). Went to the
shop to get the system filled. The mechanic said there's a big leak on the
hose going from the compressor to the condensor. Yesterday I had the car
hoisted up to change the oil and took a good look at it. There's a short
piece of rubber hose that has contact with a metal steering part, right next
to the right side boot. The hose simply melted on the steering part
(whatever it's called)and has big hole.

My questions are: that piece of melted hose is connecting two metal tubes.
Can it be simply replaced or is it fastened with hydraulic fittings that you
cannot disconnect? I see no way any of the hoses can be disconnected and
that the whole setup must be replaced - compressor to condensor and
compressor to evaporator. Why does that steering part (I can see power
steering lines going in and out) get that hot it melts away lines that are
in contact with it? Is that normal?

As a substitute for R12 (banned by law in Germany) they used R413. They
claim it works as good as R12. Does anyone know something about this stuff?

Thanks for any input!
Tom
1993 Aerostar 3.0L
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:14:42 -0500
From: Roy Houston
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: What area is everone In????

Roy Houston Richmond, TX (Houston 'burb)
85 F-150XL SC 351W H.O 4V
houston1 _at_ slb _dot_ com
houzoodad _at_ aol _dot_ com
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:19:22 -0500
From: Roy Houston
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: R12 to R134

Just recently swapped my 85 F-150 over to 134 with a kit I got from Kmart.
$29.95. Same kit JC Whitney sells for $49.95.

No problems so far, system was empty of freon as it leaked out while I was
rebuilding the engine. I had the compressor tied out of the way and I think
I over-stressed the hose. I didn't change anything else, just drained out
what oil would run out the hoses and charged her up.

Anyway, it's been about two months and it keeps it cool here in Houston
where it's hotter than Hades right now!

Roy Houston Richmond, TX (Houston 'burb)
85 F-150XL SC 351W H.O 4V
houston1 _at_ slb _dot_ com
houzoodad _at_ aol _dot_ com
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 09:16:31 -0500
From: Paul M Radecki
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: "THE BEAST" lives again

>> My non-operational vehicle is on private
>>property, not on the street, so I should be ok, right? Well, as I'm
>>unbolting the intake manifold, she walks by and hands me a flyer on
parking
>>regulations, with highlighted paragraphs on the restrictions for
parking on
>>lawns... I could get fined $70 per citation, up to 2 citations per
day...
>>(I honestly felt like shooting her.) We argued for a bit, and she
>>eventually walked away in a huff, but I guess I won the argument.

Pave your lawn with cement and call it a driveway. If they
complain, paint it green or lay down Astroturf. Then paint the house
purple. If you still haven't convinced them to compromise, move away and
rent your house to some college students. ;-)
Thanks for a good story, Todd. You can be my neighbor any time; you
sound like a Libertarian kind of guy. Besides, no one will complain
about your truck if you park it near my rusty, dirt-brown F100!

lordjanusz juno.com
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 09:21:51 -0500
From: "Joel Thomas"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - explorer performance


ratio does in the 0-60 and 1/4 mile times....I read a magazine that said
the
mercury moutaineer (same thing) did the 0-60 in 9.1 and 1/4 mile in
14.0 100mph how is this possible...This must be a total mispring cause

lil work this truck could be running with the vettes and
stangs............I
find this incredible hard to believe this 5000lbs truck can run with the


not quite 5000lbs :)


Joel Thomas mailto:treefort prodigy.net
1984 F-150, 351W, 9", T-18,
Edelbrock intake,Holley 750 vac,
33" BFG MT's.
Little Rock,Ar





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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 10:25:07 -0400
From: Greg Carter
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Electric fans

You mean downgrade? :)

Only move to an electric fan if:
You favour horsepower over cool engine
You do lots and lots of deep water crossing and want to be able to shut the
fan off before going through the water. Engine driven fans can be pulled
into the rad when in deep water.

A good engine driven fan/ fan clutch will probably consume about 5 hp when
engaged. An electrical fan would have to pull 310 amps to match that.
While this is a comparison of consumption it is to show that there is no way
an electrical fan can move as much air as an engine driven one unless you
believe that the mechanical one is ridiculously inefficient.

If you do lots of towing and like to have the AC on stick with the engine
driven fan, and if you want to increase the cooling abilities replace the
stock fan clutch with a heavy duty unit (Hayden part # 2797, Canadian Tire
part # 14-7159-0 for 5.0L) which will spin the fan at 90% engine rpm vs 60%
stock, although you may find that the heavy duty fan clutch does not
disengage.

Bye.

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From: FLR150 aol.com [mailto:FLR150 aol.com]
Sent: Monday, July 12, 1999 11:58 PM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Electric fans


Sean,
Definitely upgrade to an electric fan if you have made huge horsepower
gains,
and keep the stock fan shroud to mount it in....will help out with the
cooling properties.
Later
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
Wayne's Page
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 14:01:51 +0200
From: "Ucen, Thomas, PRE"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - tranny cooler

Folks,

I had my '93 Aerostar hoisted up this weekend and I noticed that the
autotranny cooling lines run through the radiator plus through an extra
cooler mounted behind the bumper. Did this come standard with the Aerostars
or is this an option (for towing etc.)?? What's the max.weight of a trailer
a 3.0L Aerostar may tow?

Thanks,

Tom
1993 Aerostar 3.0L
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 14:17:52 +0200
From: "Ucen, Thomas, PRE"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - A/C problems

Last week I lost the A/C on my '93 Aerostar (3 liter engine). Went to the
shop to get the system filled. The mechanic said there's a big leak on the
hose going from the compressor to the condensor. Yesterday I had the car
hoisted up to change the oil and took a good look at it. There's a short
piece of rubber hose that has contact with a metal steering part, right next
to the right side boot. The hose simply melted on the steering part
(whatever it's called)and has big hole.

My questions are: that piece of melted hose is connecting two metal tubes.
Can it be simply replaced or is it fastened with hydraulic fittings that you
cannot disconnect? I see no way any of the hoses can be disconnected and
that the whole setup must be replaced - compressor to condensor and
compressor to evaporator. Why does that steering part (I can see power
steering lines going in and out) get that hot it melts away lines that are
in contact with it? Is that normal?

As a substitute for R12 (banned by law in Germany) they used R413. They
claim it works as good as R12. Does anyone know something about this stuff?

Thanks for any input!
Tom
1993 Aerostar 3.0L
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 10:57:50 EDT
From: "Andrew Conyers"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - tranny?

hello all

I have a 1984 F150 4x4, w/300 Straight six, automatic. How can I determine
the type of tranny i have as well as the type of transfer case. The
previous owner has made some mods, so it may not be stock. Also, has anyone
replaced an auto for the 4speed bulldog manual? Any opinions are
appreciated.

Andy Conyers


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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 10:57:56 -0500
From: "SPECTRE"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: "THE BEAST" lives again

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Paul M Radecki
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 9:16 AM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: "THE BEAST" lives again


> >> My non-operational vehicle is on private
> >>property, not on the street, so I should be ok, right? Well, as I'm
> >>unbolting the intake manifold, she walks by and hands me a flyer on
> parking
> >>regulations, with highlighted paragraphs on the restrictions for
> parking on
> >>lawns... I could get fined $70 per citation, up to 2 citations per
> day.

The neighborhood nazis do this in my town too. Here if you put the old beast
in your driveway or backyard behind a fence - there's nothing they can do -
my '84 BII spent months in the backyard during a major re-build and I now
have a '82 F250 I spent $300 on ( so you know what it looks like ) back
there. I'm lucky, my garage is in the back yard and I put up a privacy
fence, so I do as I damn well please, wich is how it should be in America.

SPECTRE

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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 11:20:21 -0500
From: "DannyF"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Steering Wheel Play

Wondered if anyone else has the same problem or possibly
corrected it.

Have a 2WD '90 F-150 w/80K on it. Basically a good truck but
theres at least 2-3" of play in the steering wheel.

I've had the front end checked, steering shaft coupler checked for
looseness and tried a very slight adj. of the preload locknut on top
of the steering gearbox. Still have a lot of play.

Just a sloppy box? Anyone have one rebuilt? How much?

Thanks,

Danny
danf01 worldnet.att.net
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 10:00:31 -0700
From: Eric Sneed
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Rade's fourth of July soapbox

if you really don't see the connection then I will not waste anymore
time on this subject.

Peace
ES

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Troy [SMTP:troyw netzero.net]
> Sent: Sunday, July 11, 1999 6:24 PM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Rade's fourth of July soapbox
>
> On 2 Jul 99, at 9:21, Eric Sneed wrote:
>
> > " If the south would have won we'd of had it made!"
> >As long as you are a white boy! race relations are bad enough in this
> >country as is, we need to get past that part of our history
> >
> >Proud to be an American!!!
>
> I don't think you have actually heard the song. I suggest that you
> look for a local country station in your area and request them to
> play the song for you. It speaks nothing of race relations.
>
> Instead, the song is speaking of how things would be done
> differently if the south would have won. How the judicial system
> would be arranged, one song "I'd make my supreme court down in
> Texas. And we wouldn't have no killers gettin' off free. If they
> were
> proven guilty, then they would swing quickly instead of writing
> books and smilin' on T.V."
>
> I'm not going to start another thread here, but the song is not
> talking anything about race relations. Instead, the Civil War was
> fought only for states rights. The Northern states were making
> rules and expecting the southern states to try and live by the rules
> when they had no representation. Sure, it did boil down to race
> relations, but if someone is doing something you don't agree with,
> you don't try and punish them. Instead, you try and work it out.
>
> The song "If The South Woulda Won" is only speaking of how Hank
> Jr. would run for president and how he would do things. Speaking
> nothing of keeping the slaves on plantations against their will, or
> how he would have lynchings, etc. I suggest that you listen to the
> song before you try and bring racism into the argument.
>
> You might be a redneck if... Your kitchen doubles as a bait store.
> - Jeff Foxworthy
>
>
> Troy Williams
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 11:06:39 -0600
From: "Giddens, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Trouble with the law was: "THE BEAST" lives again

A little off the subject but a funny story:

I was in Oregon, visiting my brother, partying with some people that I knew
around town, a small town called Stayton, we were hanging out on my brothers
property with our rigs on a hill overlooking the intersection of two major
highways there. My brother owned the whole corner of the intersection. We
were drinking beer and raising hell feeling like we were getting away with
murder because we were on private property, more than 50 feet from the
highway, and just in general having a good time.

Along comes this highway patrolman and stops at the shoulder and gives us
this strange look. He disappears and a few minutes later another one shows
up with a 4 wheeler. He drives back and forth looking for a way to get to
us, after a while he gives up and drives through the ditch, up the hill,
driving like a mad man, and cutting huge ruts in my brothers field. In
Oregon, in the valley, the ground is always wet and muddy so he was not
having an easy time getting up this steep hill. He pulls up along side of us
and slides to a stop with big clumps of my brothers field on his hood, gets
out, mad as hell, with a look on his face wondering why we didn't make a run
for it. (which usually we would have if we had thought we were doing
anything the least bit wrong)

He starts to yell at us asking what heck (word substituted) we are doing
there and to see our ID's. I, knowing he had no legal reason to be there and
being a relative of the owner, stepped up and told him that he was on
private property and he should have used the road that leads from my
brothers house from now on because he was destroying his property. I got his
name and badge number, told him that I would have to report this to my
brother, a member of the city council, that he recklessly destroyed his
landscaping and he will contact his supervisor for any costs for damages.

I never saw or ever will see someone so embarrassed as he was. After he
realized what he must have looked like to us and why we didn't move a
muscle, laughing, as he dug his way up that hill with a road coming from my
brothers house to the other highway he was not on, he was completely
humiliated. But never once did he apologize!

I suppose it was kind of our fault in a way, because we used to sit in the
middle of the river with our rigs at night with the lights on and the
current flowing around the trucks, tailgates down. The highway was high over
our heads, we were drinking beer and swimming. The patrolmen would look down
on us from the bridge trying to figure out how the heck to reach us. It was
too dark to navigate the trails to get there unless you were very familiar
with them and we knew from years of trial and error how to get through the
river that was too shallow to navigate with a boat. They never did figure it
out and probably expected to find our drunken bodies down stream one day. It
sounds kind of dangerous when I think back on it, esp when the rocks we were
on would move with the current and the truck would shift down stream a
little but no one ever got hurt and we had one hell of a good time.

Scott

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From: SPECTRE [SMTP:dogsowar bellsouth.net]
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 9:58 AM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: "THE BEAST" lives again


- ----- Original Message -----
From: Paul M Radecki
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 9:16 AM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: "THE BEAST" lives again


> >> My non-operational vehicle is on private
> >>property, not on the street, so I should be ok, right? Well, as I'm
> >>unbolting the intake manifold, she walks by and hands me a flyer on
> parking
> >>regulations, with highlighted paragraphs on the restrictions for
> parking on
> >>lawns... I could get fined $70 per citation, up to 2 citations per
> day.

The neighborhood nazis do this in my town too. Here if you put the old beast
in your driveway or backyard behind a fence - there's nothing they can do -
my '84 BII spent months in the backyard during a major re-build and I now
have a '82 F250 I spent $300 on ( so you know what it looks like ) back
there. I'm lucky, my garage is in the back yard and I put up a privacy
fence, so I do as I damn well please, wich is how it should be in America.

SPECTRE

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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 13:02:08 -0700
From: "McMahon, Todd R."
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Question on the Throttle Body of my F350's 460-CID

Hi all,

Durring a recent top-half rebuild of my F350's 460-CID, I noticed that there
are coolant hoses running to and from the throttle body to the
water-pump/intake-manifold connections.

My questions are: Are these supposed to heat or cool the throttle body? If
the answer is "yes", then which? What mechanisim regulates the flow of
water through it? Isn't it better to cool rather than heat the air as it it
going through? Has anyone made any modifications to this? I was thinking
about setting up an atonomous cooling system (not using the hot radiator
water) to aid in cooling this down... is this even feasable?

Please reply to: tmcmahon anacomp.com

Thanks,

Todd
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 15:21:18 -0500
From: "Baldwin, Dave (CPCP Design)"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Question on the Throttle Body of my F350's 460-CI D

Todd,

I have the same on my 5.0L, and have had the same thoughts. I believe that
the throttle body will overheat from the EGR if the coolant path isn't there
to cool it down. I have no proof of this, however. It should be feasable
to put it on it's own cooling circuit, but who knows what kind of capacity
that you need? What do you pump the coolant with? Can you use a
low-pressure electric fuel pump (the kind for carbs, not fuel injection)?
Will coolant/water mix corrode said fuel pump since it was designed for
fuel?

Good luck. I would get a thermocouple and get some data on what temp the TB
is normally running before you modify it. That way you know if you're making
an improvement.

Dave Baldwin
Dallas, TX

> Durring a recent top-half rebuild of my F350's 460-CID, I
> noticed that there
> are coolant hoses running to and from the throttle body to the
> water-pump/intake-manifold connections.
>
> My questions are: Are these supposed to heat or cool the
> throttle body? If
> the answer is "yes", then which? What mechanisim regulates
> the flow of
> water through it? Isn't it better to cool rather than heat
> the air as it it
> going through? Has anyone made any modifications to this? I
> was thinking
> about setting up an atonomous cooling system (not using the
> hot radiator
> water) to aid in cooling this down... is this even feasable?
>
> Please reply to: tmcmahon anacomp.com
>
> Thanks,
>
> Todd
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 16:29:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Woods
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Question on the Throttle Body of my F350's 460-CID

If it gets cold where you live, then don't screw with this.
The butterfly will freeze open durning the winter.
(venturi effect and all)

On Tue, 13 Jul 1999, McMahon, Todd R. wrote:
> Durring a recent top-half rebuild of my F350's 460-CID, I noticed that there
> are coolant hoses running to and from the throttle body to the
> water-pump/intake-manifold connections.
> My questions are: Are these supposed to heat or cool the throttle body? If
> the answer is "yes", then which?

Yes. Both.

> What mechanisim regulates the flow of water through it?

The water pump.

> Isn't it better to cool rather than heat the air as it it going
> through?

Better, as in more HP?
Yes.

Better, as in, you run the risk of the butterfly freezing open?
Yes.

> Has anyone made any modifications to this?

Yep.
About 20 years ago.

> I was thinking
> about setting up an atonomous cooling system (not using the hot radiator
> water) to aid in cooling this down... is this even feasable?

Sure.
That, or just run a male to male fitting between the hoses and just
disconnect them from the TB.

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kwoods kens.com

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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 16:31:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Woods
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Question on the Throttle Body of my F350's 460-CI D

No.
The hoses are there to keep things WARM. That's why it's not behind teh
thermostat.
Read my previous post.



On Tue, 13 Jul 1999, Baldwin, Dave (CPCP Design) wrote:

> Todd,
>
> I have the same on my 5.0L, and have had the same thoughts. I believe that
> the throttle body will overheat from the EGR if the coolant path isn't there
> to cool it down. I have no proof of this, however. It should be feasable
> to put it on it's own cooling circuit, but who knows what kind of capacity
> that you need? What do you pump the coolant with? Can you use a
> low-pressure electric fuel pump (the kind for carbs, not fuel injection)?
> Will coolant/water mix corrode said fuel pump since it was designed for
> fuel?
>
> Good luck. I would get a thermocouple and get some data on what temp the TB
> is normally running before you modify it. That way you know if you're making
> an improvement.
>
> Dave Baldwin
> Dallas, TX
>
> > Durring a recent top-half rebuild of my F350's 460-CID, I
> > noticed that there
> > are coolant hoses running to and from the throttle body to the
> > water-pump/intake-manifold connections.
> >
> > My questions are: Are these supposed to heat or cool the
> > throttle body? If
> > the answer is "yes", then which? What mechanisim regulates
> > the flow of
> > water through it? Isn't it better to cool rather than heat
> > the air as it it
> > going through? Has anyone made any modifications to this? I
> > was thinking
> > about setting up an atonomous cooling system (not using the
> > hot radiator
> > water) to aid in cooling this down... is this even feasable?
> >
> > Please reply to: tmcmahon anacomp.com
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Todd
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 18:17:21 EDT
From: Lwskywalk aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Electric fans

or you can spend some money and get a electic fan with a tstat built into it
so you will not have to worry about over heatin and still get the benefit of
the horsepower such fans as black magic
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 16:56:13 -0600
From: Fred Moreno
Subject: Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: What area is everone In????

Fred Moreno
La Union, NM (residence)
El Paso, TX (employed at Autotronics Controls Corp)

I am the proud owner of an LPG powered 302 5-speed, '95 F-150 4X4 Eddie
Bauer, +147K miles (I commute this hard working farm truck) and this was the
BEST vehicle I have ever owned. The only problems encountered so far were
the clutch slave cylinder in the Mazda tranny, and replaced the
non-functioning auto lock hubs with Warn Premium hubs at about 42K miles. I
like the Warn hubs and prefer them over the factory ones. You I have never
met anyone with autolocks on any brand vehicle that could brag about their
reliability.

Cannot complain about Quality Job #1 statement, but not sure if I could get
use to the new body styles... One day the stork might decide to drop off a
package and we are going to need an extended cab or bigger.

Working at Autotronics (MSD Ignitions) keeps me real busy, I am always at
least one week behind in the postings. By the time I get to a problem I
might be able to help someone out with, I generally see its already history.
I use to have some "free time" at work, but things have changed and I got
promoted. Sorry about that.

But hey folks, feel free to contact me directly via my email for
information about the computers, codes, or propane related issues, otherwise
it will be some time before I run across postings that I can add to the
confusion.
I really enjoy reading the postings (would of liked to join in on some of
the flames) and the admin are doing a superb job. I proudly display my FTE
window sticker.

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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 20:25:15 -0400
From: "Troy"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 84 F150 Brakes

On 12 Jul 99, at 21:05, MRStace84 aol.com wrote:

>I've been working on my 84 F150, I had taken the bed off and all of the rear
>brake lines, so I could clean the frame and repaint it. Anyway I'm in the
>process of putting everything back, and I hooked all of my brake lines up and
>started bleeding them out. When I press the brake pedal I hear a 'blowing'
>or 'hissing' noise. When the brake pedal is released there isn't any noise.
>I've had this truck off the road for a couple of years, and I don't remeber
>it making that noise before. I was wondering if some of you might know what
>it could be? The brakes seemed to have bled out alright, so I don't think
>the master cylinder or booster is bad.

I have noticed that too with my '84 F-150. My mother has an '82
LTD that does the same thing. I just recently replaced the master
cylinder as it was leaking and the noise stayed. I'm guessing it is
something to do with the booster. I'm personally not going to worry
about it since her car has been like that for as long as I can
remember and the brakes never failed on her. I have had my '84 for
over a year and the brakes never gave me any problems.


You might be a redneck if... Your CB antenna is a danger to
low-flying planes. - Jeff Foxworthy


Troy Williams
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 20:33:03 -0400
From: "Troy"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: "THE BEAST" lives again

On 13 Jul 99, at 9:16, Paul M Radecki wrote:

> Pave your lawn with cement and call it a driveway. If they
>complain, paint it green or lay down Astroturf. Then paint the house
>purple. If you still haven't convinced them to compromise, move away and
>rent your house to some college students. ;-)

Nah, don't rent it to just college kids. Make sure they are the type
of rednecks that cannot manage to drive a stick and let them invite
200 or so of their friends/family over to the house for a keg party
while you sit back and laugh thinking about the looks on the face of
the neighbor when she sees the ruts all throughout the yard. :)


You might be a redneck if... You have season tickets for the tractor
pull. - Jeff Foxworthy


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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 20:33:03 -0400
From: "Troy"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: "THE BEAST" lives again

On 13 Jul 99, at 10:57, SPECTRE wrote:

>The neighborhood nazis do this in my town too. Here if you put the old beast
>in your driveway or backyard behind a fence - there's nothing they can do -
>my '84 BII spent months in the backyard during a major re-build and I now
>have a '82 F250 I spent $300 on ( so you know what it looks like ) back
>there. I'm lucky, my garage is in the back yard and I put up a privacy
>fence, so I do as I damn well please, wich is how it should be in America.

I'm one of the folks that don't like to mow their lawn every weekend.
Instead, I mow it once every couple months. I piss the
neighbors off when they spend so much time out there cutting the
hedges, running the weed wacker around their fence, etc while I will
let the mess go for a while and only give it a run with the mower
and call it a day. :)

I must say, I like to know where these people get off telling me
what I cannot do on my own property. As long as it is not
interfering with their daily lives, I don't see how working on a
vehicle, or maybe throwing a party every once in a while is any of
their business.



You might be a redneck if... You videotape fishing shows.
- Jeff Foxworthy


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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 20:33:03 -0400
From: "Troy"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - E4OD O/D failure

On 12 Jul 99, at 16:13, RobSweed aol.com wrote:

>Does anyone know anything about E4OD Over Drive? The trans will not shift
>into O/D and the O/D off light in the trans selector lever does not light.
>All fuses at the dash are OK. My manual does not show that there is any fuse
>or breaker for this.

When you say it won't shift into overdrive, you mean that it will not
shift into 4th gear while driving at highway speeds? I have
sometimes found that you have to back off the gas a little bit to let
it shift into the next gear while I am out on the highway, otherwise
the transmission struggles a little bit and then will shift. Of course,
I have an '84 F-150 with the regular AOD, not E4OD. Maybe you
might want to give that a shot, or take it to a tranny shop.

You might be a redneck if... You go fishing with a generator and
copper wire. - Jeff Foxworthy


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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 20:50:37 EDT
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: "THE BEAST" lives again

ok guys you have forced me to reply here
I used to own a car service and occasionally i wuld bring home one of my
cabs.. once in a while i would work on them in the street outside my house.
We had such a neighbor
I cured her by parking these things outside her house on a nightly basis..
after two weeks she gave up LOL
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 08:43:14 -0500
From: stan53
Subject: FTE 80-96 - noises in front-end

First time question. I bought a 96 F250 4wd elec auto trans no lockouts
a month ago that is driving me nuts with what started out to be an
intermittent noise in (I think) the left front
drive train. It begins at about 50mph and becomes very noticable at
sixty mph plus. The
crazy part is that it happens after a standing start hard right turn
that produces a definite
"clunk". It is also starting to do this from most standing starts in
forward or reverse when
the steering wheel is approaching about 60-70% of it's turn limit in
either direction. I am saving taking it to a dealer (bought it from a
private owner) until I'm pretty sure what the problem is. I had to put
front brakes on it to pass inspection at my local Goodyear store
and did take it back for them to look at. They put a new C-clip in the
left front hub claiming it was warped but must not have driven it
afterward because it didn't change at
all. I've had 4wd vehicles for 21 years (78 F150, 86 Bronco II, 85 F250
diesel) but am
pretty dumb about figuring out s--t like this. Thanks for any advise.

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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 21:48:34 EDT
From: Mobilepdr aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - explorer performance

Sure it is joel my sticker on my truck says a curb weight of around
5200lbs ..
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 19:16:14 -0700
From: Bob Kennedy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 84 F150 Brakes

That would be the booster, you can check it by getting down in the floor board and
press the brake pedal with your hand. You'll see the shaft going into the booster
diaphragm.

Bob


Troy wrote:

> On 12 Jul 99, at 21:05, MRStace84 aol.com wrote:
>
> >I've been working on my 84 F150, I had taken the bed off and all of the rear
> >brake lines, so I could clean the frame and repaint it. Anyway I'm in the
> >process of putting everything back, and I hooked all of my brake lines up and
> >started bleeding them out. When I press the brake pedal I hear a 'blowing'
> >or 'hissing' noise. When the brake pedal is released there isn't any noise.
> >I've had this truck off the road for a couple of years, and I don't remeber
> >it making that noise before. I was wondering if some of you might know what
> >it could be? The brakes seemed to have bled out alright, so I don't think
> >the master cylinder or booster is bad.
>
> I have noticed that too with my '84 F-150. My mother has an '82
> LTD that does the same thing. I just recently replaced the master
> cylinder as it was leaking and the noise stayed. I'm guessing it is
> something to do with the booster. I'm personally not going to worry
> about it since her car has been like that for as long as I can
> remember and the brakes never failed on her. I have had my '84 for
> over a year and the brakes never gave me any problems.
>
> You might be a redneck if... Your CB antenna is a danger to
> low-flying planes. - Jeff Foxworthy
>
> Troy Williams
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 22:51:40 EDT
From: CRGREENE1 aol.com
Subject: Re: Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: What area is everone In????

In a message dated 7/13/99 6:00:14 PM Central Daylight Time,
fmoreno dualcurve.com writes:


window sticker. >>

Hey guys..do you know what "sticker" he's talking about?? I need to get me
one!!
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 23:10:33 EDT
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: What area is everone In????

Gang,
To get a sticker go to the FTE site and join the new club we have formed. It
is called the Association of Ford Truck Enthusiasts. The link to join is on
the main page.
Later
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
AFTE Charter Member
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 23:27:27 EDT
From: CRGREENE1 aol.com
Subject: Re: Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: What area is everone In????

Thanks Wayne!
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Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 01:17:40 -0400
From: "Steve"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 84 F150 Brakes

From: Troy
>>When I press the brake pedal I hear a 'blowing'
> >or 'hissing' noise. When the brake pedal is released there isn't any
noise.

> > I have noticed that too with my '84 F-150. My mother has an '82
> LTD that does the same thing. I just recently replaced the master
> cylinder as it was leaking and the noise stayed. I'm guessing it is
> something to do with the booster. I'm personally not going to worry
> about it since her car has been like that for as long as I can
> remember and the brakes never failed on her. I have had my '84 for
> over a year and the brakes never gave me any problems.
>
My hissing on my '82 started about a week ago and got so bad it sounded like
air brakes. It definately was the power booster. Bought a remanufactured
one for $130 ($190 if you replace your master cylinder at the same time) and
about $80 labor.

slik


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Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 01:21:15 -0400
From: "Steve"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - tranny cooler

From: Ucen, Thomas, PRE
> I had my '93 Aerostar hoisted up this weekend and I noticed that the
> autotranny cooling lines run through the radiator plus through an extra
> cooler mounted behind the bumper. Did this come standard with the
Aerostars
> or is this an option (for towing etc.)?? What's the max.weight of a
trailer
> a 3.0L Aerostar may tow?
>
I just noticed the thin cooler on my '89 Aerostar and I don't think I'd be
able tow more than 5 lbs. with the wimpy piece of ....(oh, well, it manages
to haul the kids around).

slik

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Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 01:24:40 -0400
From: "Steve"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - r12 to r134

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Michael McCarthy

> You guys are talking about converting your air conditioning from old freon
> to the new stuff that is environmentally safe, right?
> I have a 1988 E-350 in a Motor Home and I have been suffering without air
> conditioning for some time because I expected the conversion to cost
around
> $1,000.
> Are you saying that it can be done a lot cheaper? Where have I been?
>
Cost me $110 to convert each of my vehicles using my mechanic. I've got 4
vehicles and they all cool good once the compressor kicks in. Two vehicle
work flawless, while the other two take about two minutes for the compressor
to kick in.

Slik

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