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80-96-list-digest Saturday, July 10 1999 Volume 03 : Number 192



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Airbag light flashing
RE: FTE 80-96 - F150 emissions test (not there yet)
FTE 80-96 - brake lights and criuse control
Re: FTE 80-96 - brake lights and criuse control
Re: FTE 80-96 - brake lights and criuse control
FTE 80-96 - Again, no whole digest...what gives??????
RE: FTE 80-96 - F150 emissions test (not there yet)
FTE 80-96 - Driving Me Crazy!
Re: FTE 80-96 - Driving Me Crazy!
Re: FTE 80-96 - Driving Me Crazy!
Re: FTE 80-96 - Need more power for 300
FTE 80-96 - Bedcovers
RE: FTE 80-96 - brake lights and criuse control
FTE 80-96 - F150 Emissions Test-Fuel Filler Hose

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Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 07:14:47 -0400
From: Mike Sloane
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Airbag light flashing

When I read a message like this I know why I am going to keep my '83 F250 and
'87 F350 for a very long time. (-:

Mike

FLR150 aol.com wrote:

> If its a code 32, then that means its the Clock Spring. The clock spring is
> the spring that goes behind the airbag assembly and carries current through
> to your horn and wheel mounted cruise controls. I have just had to replace
> this on my 94 F150. Its not a hard job, just time consuming. With the right
> tools, you should be able to do it in around 2 hours. The reason the light
> starts flashing is because the resistance in the spring has gotten too low.
> The spring for mine cost around $100.
> Hope this has helped.
> Later,
> Wayne Foy
> '94 Flareside SC

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Mike Sloane
Allamuchy NJ
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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 08:19:50 -0400
From: D & E Fann
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - F150 emissions test (not there yet)

Gary,

I had a 77 J##P J20 a while back that had twin fuel tanks. One was
mounted in the bed and gravity fed the main tank. When I had to change the
rubber hose (apppx 3 inch diam.) in 94, I just bought a 1 foot section of
fuel hose from the local parts house for about $45 and cut to fit. I got
lucky because there weren't any severe bends in the direction I needed to
go.

I'm no expert, but I was told they wouldn't recommend using any other type
hose in fear the fuel will basically eat it up and either plug up the
filter or start to leak.

Hope this helps, or at least helps someone more mechanical with new ideas.

Darrell

90 F150 XLT 4X4
North Carolina
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Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 09:01:40 -0500
From: "Ken Phillips"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - brake lights and criuse control

driftwood, texas (15 miles just sw of austin)

Been reading the list for a couple days now and I am very impressed with the
knowledge base formed here. I have an '89 F150. Lately, people have been
stopping me to say my brake lights are not working, but when I check them out
they appear just fine. It seem when slowing to a stop the brake lights are
not always triggered and when checking them I am applying more force on the
petal and they work. I assume the factory installed cruise control's brake
shut off is also activated by the brake light control switch, because the
cruise has become very difficult to disengage using the brake petal. I look
forward to all comments.

Regards, Ken Phillips
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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 14:58:24 EDT
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - brake lights and criuse control

Sounds like the brake light switch is going bad on you.. and according to the
Chilton's book it doesnt look like ahard item to replacce.. Its atop the
brake pedal bar and it appears that this is only held in by a bar with a
cotter pin retainer.. perhaps a half hour to do if you dont have decent tools
and are a novice at tinkering... Uh in addition to having to run the risk of
getting a ticket.. sometimes these switches break with the brake lites on ..
which could drain down the battery if left overnite.. so this is something
that you wanna do on the quick side
Bob
89 F 250 2WD becoming a headache!!
ROlson1039 aol.com
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Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 14:37:09 -0500
From: "Ken Phillips"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - brake lights and criuse control

Hey Bob, thanks for the quick information. BTW, I checked and my truck does
have pedals not petals. Sometimes spell check does more harm than good.

ROlson1039 aol.com wrote:
>
> Sounds like the brake light switch is going bad on you.. and according to the
> Chilton's book it doesnt look like ahard item to replacce.. Its atop the
> brake pedal bar and it appears that this is only held in by a bar with a
> cotter pin retainer.. perhaps a half hour to do if you dont have decent tools
> and are a novice at tinkering... Uh in addition to having to run the risk of
> getting a ticket.. sometimes these switches break with the brake lites on ..
> which could drain down the battery if left overnite.. so this is something
> that you wanna do on the quick side
> Bob
> 89 F 250 2WD becoming a headache!!
> ROlson1039 aol.com
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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 16:31:32 -0500
From: "Dave Harmier"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Again, no whole digest...what gives??????

I got just about half of V3 #191????????

I haven't changed any settings that I am aware of???

And I love the wealth of information you guys know!!!

HELP!!!!!

Dave H.
Houston
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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 17:52:19 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - F150 emissions test (not there yet)

Use some copper in-house sewer pipe if you have to for your bends and just
clamp your hose to it.

>Gary,
>
> I had a 77 J##P J20 a while back that had twin fuel tanks. One was
>mounted in the bed and gravity fed the main tank. When I had to change the
>rubber hose (apppx 3 inch diam.) in 94, I just bought a 1 foot section of
>fuel hose from the local parts house for about $45 and cut to fit. I got
>lucky because there weren't any severe bends in the direction I needed to
>go.
>
>I'm no expert, but I was told they wouldn't recommend using any other type
>hose in fear the fuel will basically eat it up and either plug up the
>filter or start to leak.
>
>Hope this helps, or at least helps someone more mechanical with new ideas.
>
>Darrell
>
>90 F150 XLT 4X4
>North Carolina
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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 17:59:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: DBblueboy webtv.net (Jerome Kelly)
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Driving Me Crazy!

I appreciate all the replys I have gotten. The problem is I only get the
anouncement page or half of the listings.
This happens when mainly when I need
the information. Not my lucky day. If
you guys don't mind, could you resubmit
you thoughts about my brake problems.
1987 F150, new shocks, tires, brakes with
turned rotors. Goes down the road with
double knocking sound in the front brakes in stereo. I have had it back
to the shop.
I get the standard BS and brush off. I have
had the front wheels off my self. Can't find
anything. Could anybody help me?




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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 18:14:39 EDT
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Driving Me Crazy!

ok ive tried sayin this before but perhaps ya didnt get it.. try the hold
down clips ontop of the pads that hold them in place they are designed to
avoid the exact symptom you describe..... there should be one on each calpier
on the top..
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Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 21:18:08 -0500
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Driving Me Crazy!

Actually the clips go in the lower end of the inner shoes, not the top. I
had to get out my shop manual to confirm this because I THOUGHT they went
on the lower end, but your reply made me doubt myself.

Be sure the tabs on the clip are positioned properly and the clip is fully
seated.

The problem could also be a weak support spring between the key "wedge" and
the caliper body. (But very low probability of that being the case.)

I think Jerome is suffering from the "only getting partial digest" problem
that Dave H. has been reporting.

At 18:14 09/07/99 EDT, you wrote:
>ok ive tried sayin this before but perhaps ya didnt get it.. try the hold
>down clips ontop of the pads that hold them in place they are designed to
>avoid the exact symptom you describe..... there should be one on each
calpier
>on the top..

Jim Cannon
Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD
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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 21:59:05 -0600
From: "CalvinB"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Need more power for 300

Here Here......

I have a 87 300 fuel injected with the same 3.55 rear end (4x2). It has a
lot of punch. Highway I get around 20 mpg and in town about 14 mpg. I
still have some tweaking as the engine in new but some of the sensors and
such need replacing. One thing I noticed was a very sluggish performance in
the begining of using the new engine as the mechanic put the old injectors
back in the new engine. I had sluggish performace and found out the the
injectors were leaking. I replaced the injectors ( you can pull out the
fuel rail without removinge the upper air intake manifold off) and runs
excellent. I still have some pieces to look at such as replacing my EGR
valve (it gets stuck fully open when warm thus shooting in warm exhaust back
into the intake while idling.).

I just had to put in my two cents on the matter.

Cal.
Canada
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From: Erston Reisch
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Saturday, June 26, 1999 1:38 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Need more power for 300


>"Monty Levere" wrote:
>> [snip]
>> The computer and all of the smog stuff took the heart out of the 300. To
>> bad it was a good motor in its heyday. But I suppose that is why ford
>> discontinued it in the new trucks.
>
>Like the other poster said - the FI system on the 300ci is a blessing, not
>a curse. As for why Ford dropped it:
>
>1) Emissions targets (again, like the previous poster said). We can
>assume the old I-6 OHV motor just wasn't as emissions friendly as the OHC
>motors.
>
>2) The new (97+) trucks have modular engines - the 4.2, 4.6, and 5.4 all
>share many parts, which cuts costs and hassles.
>
>3) The 300 I6 is a very long, very tall engine - and it would't fit easily
>in the sloping, aerodynamic hood of the 97+ trucks.
>
>I personally love my 300 in my '90 F-150. I have 3.55 gears in a 4x2
>118", so it's light and fairly quick. It also pulls like a mule and never
>notices hills.
>
>- Erston
>
>
>
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Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 01:01:55 -0500
From: "Harris, Scott"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Bedcovers

For those of you trying to decide on bedcovers, here's a good site with
description of various types.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.calconcepts.com/
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Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 01:05:54 -0500
From: "Harris, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - brake lights and criuse control

I had a problem with this too and it turned out to be the switch on the
brake pedal that activates the lights. Mine was out of alignment and was
simple fix.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Phillips [SMTP:r14201 email.sps.mot.com]
> Sent: Friday, July 09, 1999 9:02 AM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - brake lights and criuse control
>
> driftwood, texas (15 miles just sw of austin)
>
> Been reading the list for a couple days now and I am very impressed with
> the
> knowledge base formed here. I have an '89 F150. Lately, people have been
> stopping me to say my brake lights are not working, but when I check them
> out
> they appear just fine. It seem when slowing to a stop the brake lights
> are
> not always triggered and when checking them I am applying more force on
> the
> petal and they work. I assume the factory installed cruise control's
> brake
> shut off is also activated by the brake light control switch, because the
> cruise has become very difficult to disengage using the brake petal. I
> look
> forward to all comments.
>
> Regards, Ken Phillips
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Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 00:22:40 -0700
From: "Leo Mosley"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - F150 Emissions Test-Fuel Filler Hose

Gary
I don't think you should use radiator hose to replace a fuel filler line. I
suspect you would find that it will break down when it is in constant
contact with fuel. I had a similar situation with a boat that I owned a few
years back, which had a built-in fuel tank and a rubber filler hose to a
deck fitting. I went to a local industrial hose supplier and got a piece of
hose designed for fuel use that worked great. I can't recall what it cost,
but it was not very expensive. If you still have your old hose, a place like
this should be able to match up something for you.
Cheers Leo
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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:55:24 -0400
From: "Ratcliff, Dale"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - F150 emissions test (not there yet)
If all else fails, you may be able to get by with a piece of radiator hose
cut to length.
Dale Ratcliff
92 F150 SC LB

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From: Gary Perry [mailto:az_brit_99 yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 1999 12:39 AM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - F150 emissions test (not there yet)

Friendly Folk,
6 weeks or so ago I was asking questions to do with getting my 82 F150
through the emissions test here in Maricopa County, Arizona. I'm part
way there now but need to locate a replacement flexible pipe that runs
from the midship tank to the filler neck. Whether through age or not,
the pipe looks as though it flares out to fit the filler neck. The
local dealer said the part was no longer available, though a Canadian
derivative could be found at upwards of $200!!.. for a bit of rubber....


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