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In this issue:

RE: FTE 80-96 - Vibration problem: 89 E-150 Club Wagon
RE: FTE 80-96 - F150 emissions test (not there yet)
Re: FTE 80-96 - capacity
FTE 80-96 - Re: Airbag light flashing
FTE 80-96 - Re: I6 knocking while towing
FTE 80-96 - Chat room
FTE 80-96 - explorer rails and brushguard
FTE 80-96 - RE: What area is everone In????
FTE 80-96 - RE: Who Cares
FTE 80-96 - Manual Transmission fluid
RE: FTE 80-96 - Manual Transmission fluid
Re: FTE 80-96 - Manual Transmission fluid
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Airbag light flashing
Re: FTE 80-96 - Who Cares
FTE 80-96 - Removing paint
Re: FTE 80-96 - Removing paint
Re: FTE 80-96 - Removing paint
FTE 80-96 - Another Steering Column Question
Re: FTE 80-96 - Removing paint
Re: FTE 80-96 - Removing paint
Re: FTE 80-96 - Removing paint
FTE 80-96 - Need Ignition System Information For 1984 F150
FTE 80-96 - I didn't get the whole digest again???????
Re: FTE 80-96 - Manual Transmission fluid
Re: FTE 80-96 - ford explorer/moutaineer
Re: FTE 80-96 - Need Ignition System Information For 1984 F150

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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:53:41 -0400
From: "Ratcliff, Dale"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Vibration problem: 89 E-150 Club Wagon

I had the same problem with an old Nova. It turned out to be the front wheel
bearings. Remove the bearings and inspect for pitting of the rollers or
races.

Dale Ratcliff
92 F150 SC LB


- -----Original Message-----
From: Bob & Jay Hartman-Berrier [mailto:rberrier esslink.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 1:01 PM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Vibration problem: 89 E-150 Club Wagon


Vibration problem: 89 E-150 Club Wagon, 102K miles, PS/AC

Can anyone suggest a cause or a cure for this? Please read on - if you can
help with some or all of this I will be greatly appreciative!

Symptom: Slight vibration in steering column, but very pronounced between
60-65 mph, and also above 25 mph when the road goes to the left (i.e.,
making even a gradual left turn at speed). There seems to be wear on the
outside of the right-front tire, possibly camber wear (I do check the tire
pressure on a frequent basis). My wife describes it as "driving on square
wheels".

What has been done: In mid-May the tires were rotated, balanced and the
wheels aligned as part of normal maintenance. At that time the right outer
tie-rod was replaced. At this point, both before and after the servicing,
there were no problems. A severe vibration developed several weeks later,
and included even-more-noticeable vibration on left-turns at road speed .
We took it in to be checked (under warranty), and they rebalanced all 4
tires. We took it out, were dissatisfied with the ride, and took it back.
At that time the mechanic went with us for a ride and thought a U-joint
might be the cause of the vibration, but that idea did not bear out when the
U-joints were examined along with the rest of the rear-end. The mechanics
noted some play in the rear-end, but this was rebuilt 2 years ago and they
did not think it to be a factor. We had the front-end and rear-end checked
more thoroughly, and the rear tires rebalanced a second time. Rebalancing
the rear tires significantly reduced the vibration but did not eliminate it,
as it now seems to be coming from the front end, as described above.

The tires are relatively new - only 20,000 miles on tires guaranteed for
80,000.

Other questions which I have:
* Can Camber and Caster be adjusted on this vehicle as part of normal
alignment? My Chilton's says they can't, leaving only toe-in.
* On my wife's 72 E-150 Club Wagon the I-beams were bent to align the
tires, yet nobody has ever suggested doing the same on our 89. Is this done
anymore? If not, does anybody know why?
* What is the relationship between ride height and camber?

And my wife still describes it as "driving on square wheels", though not as
bad. Your thoughts???




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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:55:24 -0400
From: "Ratcliff, Dale"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - F150 emissions test (not there yet)

If all else fails, you may be able to get by with a piece of radiator hose
cut to length.

Dale Ratcliff
92 F150 SC LB


- -----Original Message-----
From: Gary Perry [mailto:az_brit_99 yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 1999 12:39 AM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - F150 emissions test (not there yet)


Friendly Folk,

6 weeks or so ago I was asking questions to do with getting my 82 F150
through the emissions test here in Maricopa County, Arizona. I'm part
way there now but need to locate a replacement flexible pipe that runs
from the midship tank to the filler neck. Whether through age or not,
the pipe looks as though it flares out to fit the filler neck. The
local dealer said the part was no longer available, though a Canadian
derivative could be found at upwards of $200!!.. for a bit of rubber
pipe! The parts guy suggested I search the junk yards but a better idea
seemed to ask you guys. Can anyone help ? The truck is a short
wheelbase, regular cab with stepside bed. Used to have a six under the
hood but a 302 Mustang lump resides there now. Rest of the truck
appears to be original.

Lastly, does the 'air bag' light flashing in an Aerostar mean something
needs recharging or is our kid-mobile about to suffer electrical
suicide?

Cheers,
Gary
Gilbert, AZ

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Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 09:19:34 -0500
From: "Dean E."
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - capacity

At 06:50 PM 7/1/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi,
> Would just like to get this right. If somebody who is sure, could please
>tell me which is which. 1/4 ton etc...
>Ranger
1/4 ton

>F100
1/4 ton. The ranger replaced it.

>F150
1/2 ton

>F250
3/4 ton

>F350
1 ton

>F450
Don't remember. I would suppose either 1 1/2 or 1 1/4


>F600

? Maybe 2 ton?

>Thanks,
> Scottie Schmidt JR.
>
>
>
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Experience is something you don't get until just after you needed it.
I just got lost in thought. It was unfamiliar territory.

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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 08:52:58 +0000
From: summitds axion.net
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Airbag light flashing

>Lastly, does the 'air bag' light flashing in an Aerostar mean something
>needs recharging or is our kid-mobile about to suffer electrical
>suicide?

>Cheers,
>Gary
>Gilbert, AZGary,

I had the same problem in my '94 F150. The flashing will be a
sequence of two numbers. For example, mine was flashing 3 times, a
light pause, and then 2 times after that. Your Ford dealer service
will have a book that will tell exactly what the problem is based on
the flash sequence. They need to tell this way as the truck computer
apparently does not have a memory for the airbag problem light.


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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 08:56:52 +0000
From: summitds axion.net
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: I6 knocking while towing

Hi guys.
I'm the '94 F150 owner who had the I6 knocking problem while towing
my travel trailer.
I'm happy to say that I stuck some 92 octane gas in last weekend, and
boy what a difference. For the extra couple of bucks it is definitely
worth it.
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Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:37:00 -0500
From: "The Casey Family"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Chat room

Been to the chat room twice talked to one person. Is there a time when must
people show up or do you guys want to start a regular meeting ?


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Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:38:50 -0500
From: "The Casey Family"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - explorer rails and brushguard

do these just bolt on or they hard to mount? any one know of a reasonable
dealer my locals want 400-500 for the rails

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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:45:28 -0700
From: "McMahon, Todd R."
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: What area is everone In????

Todd McMahon
San Diego, California
tmcmahon anacomp.com
'88 Ford F350 (460-CID) Crew Cab - Dually
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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:52:49 -0700
From: "McMahon, Todd R."
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: Who Cares

Ditto.

Todd


>...when someone comes out and asks a general question
>to meet other people in his area, if you don't want
>to join in the discussion and reply respectfully,
>then stay out of it.

>...what it comes down to is the classic proverb:
>"If you don't have something nice to say, then
>don't say anything" Or another good one comes to mind:
>"Opinions are like A$, we all have them, and
>some of them stink worse than others"
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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 13:02:18 EST
From: "James"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Manual Transmission fluid

I have a 1989 F150 with a 5 speed and an inline six and I'll be
changing the fluid in the transmission soon. According to
the owners manual this manual transmission takes automatic
transmission fluid. I was wondering if there is any reason
NOT to use synthetic automatic transmission fluid in my 5 speed?
Also, I've been told that some of these trucks had the T5
transmission and some had a Mazda designed transmission. What
is the easiest way to tell which one I've got?

Thanks,
James Hiers



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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 11:19:12 -0600
From: chadp ctagroup.com (Chad Packer)
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Manual Transmission fluid

You had better be careful I have an 89 F-150 with a four speed my manual
says that my tanny also takes ATF but it realy uses 90W. I don't know yours
might use ATF.

> ----------
> From: James[SMTP:Hiers_James colstate.edu]
> Reply To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 08, 1999 11:15 AM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - Manual Transmission fluid
>
> I have a 1989 F150 with a 5 speed and an inline six and I'll be
> changing the fluid in the transmission soon. According to
> the owners manual this manual transmission takes automatic
> transmission fluid. I was wondering if there is any reason
> NOT to use synthetic automatic transmission fluid in my 5 speed?
> Also, I've been told that some of these trucks had the T5
> transmission and some had a Mazda designed transmission. What
> is the easiest way to tell which one I've got?
>
> Thanks,
> James Hiers
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 11:18:24 -0700
From: Mark Ponsford
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Manual Transmission fluid

>I have a 1989 F150 with a 5 speed and an inline six and I'll be
>changing the fluid in the transmission soon. According to
>the owners manual this manual transmission takes automatic
>transmission fluid. I was wondering if there is any reason
>NOT to use synthetic automatic transmission fluid in my 5 speed?
>Also, I've been told that some of these trucks had the T5
>transmission and some had a Mazda designed transmission. What
>is the easiest way to tell which one I've got?
>
>Thanks,
>James Hiers

Take a look at the safety compliance sticker on the driver's door jam. If
the trans codes is M, then you've got a Mazda 5spd and need to use ATF.

Info at

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://gateway1.uvic.ca/staff/mponsford/ford_trucks_info/fseries/88codes.html



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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 14:49:02 EDT
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Airbag light flashing

If its a code 32, then that means its the Clock Spring. The clock spring is
the spring that goes behind the airbag assembly and carries current through
to your horn and wheel mounted cruise controls. I have just had to replace
this on my 94 F150. Its not a hard job, just time consuming. With the right
tools, you should be able to do it in around 2 hours. The reason the light
starts flashing is because the resistance in the spring has gotten too low.
The spring for mine cost around $100.
Hope this has helped.
Later,
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
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Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 14:28:31 PDT
From: "barry mitchell"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Who Cares

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From: FLR150 aol.com
Reply-To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Who Cares
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 23:09:45 EDT

In a message dated 7/7/99 10:45:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
CRGREENE1 AOL.COM writes:


loser
who is afraid to put his real name perhaps? >>
Chris,
Well since this is an open forum, you have a right to say what you want and
I
would back you up on the right to say it. BUT since this is a Ford truck
list
and a club is formed and membership is growing rapidly ( I am one of the
charter members) I would say that a LOT of people care. Many clubs and great
friendships are formed by finding out who is in the same area as you,
getting
together and finding out that you have more in common with people than just
your love of trucks. For those of you interested in joining the Association
Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts, there is a mini site on the FTE website, with a
breakdown of prices and an actual order form to join. Don't be shy if you
don't actually live in the USA, we have members in Europe, Canada, and I
believe even Australia.
Now to my opinion of your comments. I think that maybe you are just here to
pick others brains for info and that is fine. But when someone comes out and
asks a general question to meet other people in his area, if you don't want
to join in the discussion and reply respectfully, then stay out of it. I
personally have asked some pretty ignorant questions on this list in my
learning process and have built a pretty bada$$ truck because I DID ask
those
questions. I have also made some great acquaintances on this list (you all
know who you are) and would do whatever I could to help them, if I could. So
basically what it comes down to is the classic proverb...
"If you don't have something nice to say, then don't say anything"
Or another good one comes to mind
"Opinions are like A$, we all have them, and some of them stink worse
than others"
Nuff Said
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
"Hazardous Material"
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Amen,well said!!!!!

Barry Mitchell


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Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 18:18:41 -0400
From: Paul
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Removing paint

Does anyone know of a quick guide of what solvents to use to remove
various oversprays from car paint? Not being a paint type, I figured I
wouldn't be the only one.

Also, I got 3m weatherstrip (black)adhesive on my truck paint after
installing new door seals on my 55 pickup. Anyone know what will remove
that stuff. It is real tough.

Paul Gayda
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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 18:59:49 EDT
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Removing paint

Paul,
Hey buddy long time no talk! Well I would try Goof Off. Also a light mineral
spirits would work. Just make sure that when you get done with the stuff,
apply a light wax on the areas you have hit with the remover.
later
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 19:03:13 EDT
From: JSC721 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Removing paint

Hello,
I know of a great product for removing overspray. Its called Rapidcut. It is
a compound and will remove overspray and not dull your finish. It is safe for
clearcoats. I purchased some for my 89 e-250 and it works great. Its not sold
in stores because it is used by professional detailing shops, and works great
by hand(no machine). I ordered it from their website its
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.flashwax.com

p.s. They shipped it to me right away. Joe

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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 19:05:45 EDT
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Another Steering Column Question

Ok guys and fellow tinkerers..
I have a 1989 F 250 and Im having a problem with the tilt mechanism. The
other day in the extreme heat the tilt just stopped working and refuses to
engage the column into any locking position. I posted with you guys asking
how difficult it was to rip apart the column to repair it and if I would
need any special tools to accomplish this. Well the column is difficult to
disassemble, and frankly in this heat ( and the fact that im underpaid and
overworked.. but thats a post for another list LOL) I just dont have the time
or patience to try to fiddle with this thing to get it working.
Now my truck is equipped with Cruise Control , automatic overdrive
transmission column shift,and the tilt wheel, and finding a column to fit
that bill here in the NYC area is indeed becoming very trying.. theyre a
hotter commodity than gold bullion....
My question now is I have located a column without the tilt mechanism and
without the cruise control.. I can live without the tilt wheel, but i would
really like to have the Cruise control.. Is it hard to convert the columns
to accept the cruise control system.. and again are any special tools
required to do this maneuver...
the other thing that I want to ask is if any of you guys have a column that
is good with working tilt and cruise control with the automatic overdrive
transmission shift on the column that will work in my 1989, and are willing
to part with it for a decent price OR you know where I can get one for a
decent price that will ship it or is close enough to drive to please
contact me
Bob
ROlson1039 aol.com
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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 19:07:59 EDT
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Removing paint

In a message dated 7/8/99 7:06:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JSC721 aol.com
writes:


Hello,
I know of a great product for removing overspray. Its called Rapidcut. It is
a compound and will remove overspray and not dull your finish. It is safe
for
clearcoats. I purchased some for my 89 e-250 and it works great. Its not
sold
in stores because it is used by professional detailing shops, and works
great
by hand(no machine). I ordered it from their website its
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.flashwax.com

p.s. They shipped it to me right away. Joe
>>


Joe,
Shameless Plug?
Later
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 19:27:06 EDT
From: JSC721 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Removing paint

Well, Its true and I stand behind it 100%. Its better than using a toothpick
or some ridiculous ideas that I have heard so far.
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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 19:45:34 EDT
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Removing paint

In a message dated 7/8/99 7:29:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JSC721 aol.com
writes:


or some ridiculous ideas that I have heard so far. >>
Joe,
can you reread my post entitled "Re: Who cares" and then look at you lines
posted above. JEEZ...cant we all just get along?
Later
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 20:12:57 -0600
From: "William E. Swickard"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Need Ignition System Information For 1984 F150

Does anyone out there have service information on the ignition system for a
1984 Ford F150, 5.8 V8 (351M), 4V Holly dual float, automatic,
non-California model?

Something is causing the ignition timing to retard seriously at random
times, mostly when it's cold. Frequently the timing will automatically
return to a normal setting, causing it to run well, before suddenly
retarding. Is there a way I can get around what ever is causing this, and
get the timing to maintain base specification?

Thanks,
Bill Swickard

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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 21:41:51 -0500
From: "Dave Harmier"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - I didn't get the whole digest again???????

It happened once already when I had to use netscape as IE was problematic.
Same problem, only got the first thing of a LONG list of subjects??????

What gives?

Dave H.
92 F-150 SC 5.0/E4OD
Houston, TX
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Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 23:30:19 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Manual Transmission fluid

>>I have a 1989 F150 with a 5 speed and an inline six and I'll be
>>changing the fluid in the transmission soon. According to
>>the owners manual this manual transmission takes automatic
>>transmission fluid. I was wondering if there is any reason
>>NOT to use synthetic automatic transmission fluid in my 5 speed?
>>Also, I've been told that some of these trucks had the T5
>>transmission and some had a Mazda designed transmission. What
>>is the easiest way to tell which one I've got?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>James Hiers
>
>Take a look at the safety compliance sticker on the driver's door jam. If
>the trans codes is M, then you've got a Mazda 5spd and need to use ATF.
>

Mine says to use ATF, but since it leaks, I use SAE 40 with no problem. It
stays in there longer and does not stink as bad.


Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
Early Oil Well Historian
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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 00:07:07 EDT
From: Mobilepdr aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - ford explorer/moutaineer

I read a truck magazine at my local body shop today while waiting
around, and saw a article on the new mercury moutaineer it had the whole test
drive and options and its ups and downs..But what shocked me is it said that
0 to 60 times were 9.1 seconds which i don't find hard to believe but it said
quater mile times were 14.0sec at 100.00mph..Is this possible i don't think
so.. i have a 5.0 in my explorer with a exhaust and chip and i still don't
think it runs anywhere near that...If thats the case a lil work and you
could be running with the mustangs and vettes ...Must be a mis
print........................ding
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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 02:27:04 EDT
From: FULSZBRONC aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Need Ignition System Information For 1984 F150

My '84 has the same engine and carb as yours, but as the high-altitude
calibration it may or may not be the same...but if it IS, check the ignition
module to see if it has an extra plug going to a barometric sensor mounted to....


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