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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - where is everybody
FTE 80-96 - shocks
Re: FTE 80-96 - Removing overspray
Re: FTE 80-96 - Windsor engine
Re: FTE 80-96 - Driving me CRAZY!!
FTE 80-96 - 1985 F-150 Remote Vacuum Leak
FTE 80-96 - Suspension
FTE 80-96 - help quickly please part3
RE: FTE 80-96 - where is everybody
Re: FTE 80-96 - Air pump to compressor?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Air pump to compressor?
Re: [FTE 80-96 - Removing overspray]
Re: [FTE 80-96 - Removing overspray]
FTE 80-96 - Exhaust
FTE 80-96 - RE: Tailgate down...
RE: FTE 80-96 - shocks - getting it right, once
Re: FTE 80-96 - What area is everyone in???
Re: FTE 80-96 - What area is everyone in???
FTE 80-96 - MASS AIR
RE: FTE 80-96 - RE: Tailgate down...
RE: FTE 80-96 - Exhaust
FTE 80-96 - Glen Rotan
Re: FTE 80-96 - shocks - getting it right, once
Re: FTE 80-96 - shocks
FTE 80-96 - Wanted: 98 Cobra Coupe in Bright Atlantic Blue
FTE 80-96 - (no subject)
Re: FTE 80-96 - Removing overspray
RE: FTE 80-96 - help quickly please part2.5
FTE 80-96 - eec-IV not returning anything...
Re: FTE 80-96 - (no subject)
FTE 80-96 - Front brakes locked up.
Re: FTE 80-96 - Front brakes locked up.
FTE 80-96 - Carbon Deposits/Water Injection
FTE 80-96 - steering column question
Re: FTE 80-96 - Removing overspray
Re: FTE 80-96 - Air pump to compressor?
Re: FTE 80-96 - steering column question
RE: FTE 80-96 - Front brakes locked up.
FTE 80-96 - Where is everone at?
FTE 80-96 - help quickly please part 4
FTE 80-96 - RE: MAP sensor
RE: FTE 80-96 - RE: Tailgate down...
Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: Tailgate down...
Re: FTE 80-96 - eec-IV not returning anything...
Re: FTE 80-96 - Wanted: 98 Cobra Coupe in Bright Atlantic Blue
Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: Tailgate down...
Re: FTE 80-96 - Removing overspray
Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: Tailgate down...
Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: Tailgate down...
RE: FTE 80-96 - steering column question
RE: FTE 80-96 - steering column question
Re: FTE 80-96 - (no subject)
Re: FTE 80-96 - help quickly please part 4
Re: FTE 80-96 - Front brakes locked up.

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Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 06:37:11 -0500
From: "The Casey Family"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - where is everybody

Montgomery Al

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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 07:30:19 -0400
From: "Alger, Timothy, CTR, AFSAA/SAT"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - shocks

I contacted the shock warehouse on the internet and they recommended KYB
Gas-a-just Shocks for my 86 F150 4X4. Anyone have any experience with KYB?

Thanks
Tim Alger
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Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 08:02:10 -0400
From: Doug Tinsman
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Removing overspray

I used lacquer thinner to remove over spray form my 97. Keep it away from
plastic.
DT

Radoje Spasojevic wrote:

> About a month ago I managed to pick up a bunch of overspray (from a house
> being painted or something) all over the drivers side of my Bronco. The
> paint is whitish and in tiny flecks, which does not match my dark blue paint
> very well. I tried taking it off with some 3M Finish Restorer, but no luck.
> I suppose I could use Goof-Off, but I would like to try and keep MY paint
> on. does anyone know of a product that will remove the overspray without
> ruining my "soft" early-90's paint?
>
> Rade Spasojevic -- rspasoje gte.net
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Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 08:39:59 -0400
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Windsor engine

DENKC5 aol.com wrote:
>
> Does anybody know the horsepower on a 95' 5.8L EFI engine?

220hp I believe
325 Ft lbs torque
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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 08:25:33 EDT
From: MRStace84 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Driving me CRAZY!!

Depending on what year your truck is, as some other guys have mentioned, you
may have a missing or broken anti-rattle clip on the inside brake shoe. I've
had this problem with my 84 in the past, when your driving on a rough road it
sounds like the front-end is about to fall out, kind of loud too. An easy
way to check is if your driving along and it starts doing it, just gently
press your brake pedal, not enough to stop the truck or even slow it down
much. It the noise stops, more than likely this could be your problem.

Stace

84 F150 4x4
98 Ranger XLT 4x4
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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 08:43:54 -0400
From: "Michael McCarthy"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 1985 F-150 Remote Vacuum Leak

For those of you who are experiencing a rough idle, or other vacuum related
problems, don't forget to check the little piece of vacuum hose that runs
from the transmission modulator to the metal vacuum line going back up to
the firewall. This 6" piece of hose resides in close proximity to the
catalytic converter and is subjected to intense heat over prolonged periods.
Mine was cracked in several places along the lower most curve of the hose.
I never would have noticed the hose had I not experienced a pool of
transmission oil under my truck one morning. Actually, the modulator was bad
(leaking oil into the vacuum line which subsequently leaked onto the ground)
or I may never have know the vacuum hose was bad. For once a bad part
actually helped fix a problem.
Hope this info is useful to someone.

Michael McCarthy
Export, PA

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Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 15:25:50 +0200
From: FXL
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Suspension

What is the best way to rebuild suspension on my F250 -91 dsl?
3 leafs in the front and 5 in one packet + 1 extra with extra studs. Is
this a HD?
Considering to add air suspension. Could this be mounted in the front
too? JC Whitney doesnt say!

By the way Im located in the northern part of Sweden in Sundsvall. No
Ford shows here !!!
Regards
Gunnar
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Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 09:31:40 -0500
From: "The Casey Family"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - help quickly please part3

While cleaning the cylinders #1 found a hairline crack when wiped water
leaks by. Now I at least know what the problem is. Thanks for all the advice
and help now I have to decide what to do this truck is a beater truck for
hunting and hauling but I love it I guess it will wait until I can pay cash
any suggestions.

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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 08:40:52 -0600
From: "Giddens, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - where is everybody

Boulder, Colorado here.

Scott

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Subject: FTE 80-96 - where is everybody

Montgomery Al

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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 10:58:03 EDT
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Air pump to compressor?

Rade,
Just how much air do you need this compressor to supply? There are several
companies that have frame mounted compressors to supply air suspension
systems. Try AIM industries at www.truckin.com and look at their air
suspension systems to see if they will do what you want. You can buy the
compressor separately.
Hope this has helped,
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 08:14:06 -0700
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Air pump to compressor?

I am looking for a compressor that will have enough power to pump up tires
after I air them down, and possible run some air tools. I will check out
the ones you suggested, thanks.

Rade
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Date: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Air pump to compressor?


>Rade,
>Just how much air do you need this compressor to supply? There are several
>companies that have frame mounted compressors to supply air suspension
>systems. Try AIM industries at www.truckin.com and look at their air
>suspension systems to see if they will do what you want. You can buy the
>compressor separately.
>Hope this has helped,
>Wayne Foy
>'94 Flareside SC
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Date: 6 Jul 99 08:09:31 PDT
From: William Berninghausen
Subject: Re: [FTE 80-96 - Removing overspray]

If the flecks are truly tiny and flat (not lumps), VERY CAREFULLY try rub=
bing
out a few with a little toothpaste. Pick an inconspicuous spot and go rea=
l
slow, watching for blue paint on the rag. It's the easiest fine polishing=

compound I know of--does a nice job polishing out the oxidation on tailli=
ght
lenses, too.

Bill in Portland


"Radoje Spasojevic" wrote:
> About a month ago I managed to pick up a bunch of overspray (from a hou=
se
> being painted or something) all over the drivers side of my Bronco. Th=
e
> paint is whitish and in tiny flecks, which does not match my dark blue =
paint
> very well. I tried taking it off with some 3M Finish Restorer, but no =
luck.
> I suppose I could use Goof-Off, but I would like to try and keep MY pai=
nt
> on. does anyone know of a product that will remove the overspray witho=
ut
> ruining my "soft" early-90's paint?
> =

> Rade Spasojevic -- rspasoje gte.net
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> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=3D194
> =

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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 08:43:27 -0700
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: [FTE 80-96 - Removing overspray]

Some of the spots are flat and some are lumps, I will give it a shot up on
the roof. Thanks for the idea.

Rade
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From: William Berninghausen
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 8:12 AM
Subject: Re: [FTE 80-96 - Removing overspray]


If the flecks are truly tiny and flat (not lumps), VERY CAREFULLY try
rubbing
out a few with a little toothpaste. Pick an inconspicuous spot and go real
slow, watching for blue paint on the rag. It's the easiest fine polishing
compound I know of--does a nice job polishing out the oxidation on taillight
lenses, too.

Bill in Portland


"Radoje Spasojevic" wrote:
> About a month ago I managed to pick up a bunch of overspray (from a house
> being painted or something) all over the drivers side of my Bronco. The
> paint is whitish and in tiny flecks, which does not match my dark blue
paint
> very well. I tried taking it off with some 3M Finish Restorer, but no
luck.
> I suppose I could use Goof-Off, but I would like to try and keep MY paint
> on. does anyone know of a product that will remove the overspray without
> ruining my "soft" early-90's paint?
>
> Rade Spasojevic -- rspasoje gte.net
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.off -road. com /~2big/
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=194
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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 11:35:54 -0400
From: "Matthew R. Small"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Exhaust

I have a 1995 Eddie Bauer F-150 300 Inline 6 with duel exhaust. How
restrictive is this exhaust? What kind of exhaust could I buy to increase
some kind of power for acceleration? I don't want to go fast, just faster.

And I'm in Myrtle Beach, SC

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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 08:53:25 -0700
From: "McMahon, Todd R."
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: Tailgate down...

What about getting one of those after-market "flow-thru" tailgates made from
bars of flat steel welded together? They sorta like window blinds - do you
know what I'm talking about? You could make a plywood cover or something if
you needed to haul dirt (etc), or just keep the original tailgate for those
occasions. I'm sure I've seen them in the JC-Whitney catalog. You see them
quite often here in southern California - there are even some that are
simply like a cargo net.

Todd

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Sent: Friday, July 02, 1999 6:08 PM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - RE: Tailgate down...


On 1 Jul 99, at 9:16, Giddens, Scott wrote:

>Putting the tailgate down causes the rear air to be more turbulent
>(disruptive) and increases the drag/reduces fuel mileage. This has been
>confirmed by many tests and studies and is the main reason the auto
>manufacturers don't indorse it or design a better one. It also is very
>dangerous to other people on the road (not to mention the damage to your
>truck) when the tail gate comes out of the catch on any negative G forces
>like it is designed to do. If you insist on running with it down you should
>buy an Airgate or remove it completely.

I don't know. I have found the truck to be much easier to control by
putting the tailgate down on the highways, especially on the windy
days. I have also noticed when I was working in Belleview (about a
30 minute drive from my house) the weeks that I would leave the
tailgate up, the gas mileage was less than the weeks I did put it
down. I have run my own tests on it.

My tail gate has not come out of the catches.

>On a related item, I had to chase a guy down in his truck years ago when he
>was running with his tailgate down and his 4-way bounced out of the back of
>his open bed and impaled itself into the grill of my truck. Missing the
>radiator by a few inches. Anytime I see someone so stupid as to drive on
the
>freeway with anything in the back that is not constrained I report them.
The
>life you save may be someone you know.

Oh, if there is something in the bed of the truck, the tailgate stays
up. It's that simple. I don't care if it's a simple gas can or
something, it is strapped into place and the tailgate stays up.

You might be a redneck if... You always thought 'Guns and Roses'
was something you get for your anniversary. - Jeff Foxworthy


Troy Williams
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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 09:13:41 -0700
From: "McMahon, Todd R."
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - shocks - getting it right, once

I put "Monroe Gas-Magnum 4x4" shocks, front and rear, on an old '72
"Land-Rover" - the difference was like night and day... a Very Good street
ride, very comfortable (etc). I must admit however that I never took the
Land-Rover off-road...

Todd

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Sent: Monday, July 05, 1999 6:49 AM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - shocks - getting it right, once


I just put a set of Monroes on my 84 F150. I forget the actual model, but
when I bought them, I told the clerk I wanted the heaviest - dutiest shocks
that Monroe made for my truck, and that's what I got. I can't really tell
you how they ride, because I have had my 84 off the road for about a year
and
a half doing a little bit a restoration work (at my leisure that's why it's
taking so long). However, I did put a similar set of Monroes on my cousin's

93 Ranger, and he thought they were great. Hope this helps.

Stace

84 F150 4x4
98 Ranger XLT 4x4
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Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 11:31:46 -0500
From: Steve Randa
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - What area is everyone in???

Wichita, KS

Steve Randa
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Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 12:41:18 -0400
From: Mike Sloane
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - What area is everyone in???

Mike Sloane
Allamuchy NJ
(msloane att.net)



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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 11:07:55 -0600
From: "Ellsworth, Sam"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - MASS AIR

I WAS WONDERING IF ANYONE WOULD KNOW IF A MASS AIR SETUP ON A 92 F-250 460
CI WOULD FIT AN 88 302 ENGINE? DO THEY MATCH UP? IDENTICAL?
WHAT ALL WOULD I NEED TO MAKE THE SWAP?
SORRY ABOUT CAPS.
I KNOW SOMEONE ON THIS LIST WOULD KNOW AND COULD ENLIGHTEN ME.

THANKS,
SAM ELLSWORTH
88 F-150, 302, 5-SPEED, 4X4, 146K
SANTAQUIN, UTAH

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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 11:39:42 -0600
From: "Giddens, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - RE: Tailgate down...

Troy,

Maybe if you only put the tailgate down when there was nothing in the bed of
the truck then the gas mileage increase is due to your truck being lighter.

I only know what I have seen on wind tunnel tests and computer simulations,
not actual testing like you claim so I will give you credit for that if the
mileage increase was not due to weight reduction, wind direction, or wind
speed. Tests mean nothing unless it is under controlled conditions with
known factors that can directly effect the results.

Just because your tailgate has not come out yet doesn't mean it can't. If
you read your manual you will see how easy the standard tailgate is to
remove and the warnings they give you about them coming off when you hit a
bump. The are not designed to operate while in the down position, that would
be similar to driving down the road with your hood up, it's that simple.

Scott

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Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - RE: Tailgate down...

~snip~

the weeks that I would leave the
tailgate up, the gas mileage was less than the weeks I did put it
down. I have run my own tests on it.

My tail gate has not come out of the catches.

Oh, if there is something in the bed of the truck, the tailgate stays up.
It's that simple. I don't care if it's a simple gas can or something, it is
strapped into place and the tailgate stays up.
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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 11:58:52 -0600
From: "Giddens, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Exhaust

Matthew,

If it is drag performance (acceleration/speed) you are looking for then it's
not your exhaust, it's your motor. You have good exhaust for performance.
Get a bigger motor! Those 6 cylinders are not known for their drag
performance. (all insecure I6 owners insert flames here)

If it is high speed (top end) you are looking for then I would look at
changing the gearing at the rear but don't expect to be able to tow
anything.

Scott

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From: Matthew R. Small [SMTP:matt beachbum.net]
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 9:36 AM
To: 80-96-list-digest ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Exhaust

I have a 1995 Eddie Bauer F-150 300 Inline 6 with duel exhaust. How
restrictive is this exhaust? What kind of exhaust could I buy to increase
some kind of power for acceleration? I don't want to go fast, just faster.
And I'm in Myrtle Beach, SC
Matthew Small
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Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 11:29:39 PDT
From: Ed Greenberg
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Glen Rotan

Sorry for the wide distribution.

Glen Rotan, please email me again, either here or at edg greenberg.org

Thanks...


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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 16:22:20 EDT
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - shocks - getting it right, once

Les if its coming from the firewall its probably either the windshield
gasket or the windshield wiper motor where the leak is coming from. what
you need to do is to lay under there and have an assistant use the garden
hose on the truck to see where its coming from for that leak
Bob
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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 16:23:16 EDT
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - shocks

yeah i used KYBs on the volare taxi cabs i ran in the 80s.. they were
horrible too stiff .. like i said GABRIELS!!!!!
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Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 15:43:48 -0500
From: James Thorne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Wanted: 98 Cobra Coupe in Bright Atlantic Blue

I am looking to purchase a low mileage 98 Cobra Coupe in Bright Atlantic
Blue. As you may know, not many in this color were produced so they are
not plentiful on the used car lots. If anyone knows of one sitting on a
dealer's lot or has one for sale, please let me know. I have funds
arranged and will travel to anywhere in the 48 states (closer to Texas
is better as I live in Houston).

Thanks,

James Thorne

PS have already located 4 convertibles but am not interested, nor in any
other color.
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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 17:06:51 EDT
From: ACMERCG aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - (no subject)

Guys,
Anyone have a popping sound on acceleration and stopping on their
F-150? I know about the popping while parking and stuff, but I just recently
noticed this too...

Anyone?

Joe
Lost in jersey
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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 17:14:20 EDT
From: RiTruckGuy aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Removing overspray

I had a similar problem with one of my cars a few years ago....after trying
every chemical agent known to man and having the vehicle buffed, I finally
attacked the problem using a wooden toothpick....just rub the tip over the
paint specs....it was time consuming, but worked like a charm and didn't
leave a mark in the paint.

Good Luck,
Bill
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Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 07:31:41 +1000
From: les
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - help quickly please part2.5

On Tuesday, July 06, 1999 12:58 PM, Jim Cannon [SMTP:cannon zapware.com]
wrote:
> The shiny #1 top of piston is interesting. Is it the only one that is
> shiny? Have you been losing/using coolant for a while?
>
> There has been discussion on the list for a while about using a small
> stream of water down the carb intake while running the engine at high
RPMs
> to clean out carbon deposits. Others suggest doing it with ATF. I have
> never had an engine that I was getting ready to tear down that I could
run
> this experiment on (pour water in then look at the combustion chamber).
> Sounds like you have accidentally done this. Very interesting.
>
Hi There All,
Shiny pistons? I was working with a person that specialised in the
manufacture & installation of water injection, for this purpose. It was
usually High Milage vehicles, like taxi's, tow trucks, or couriers. A
mixture of European and local ford, chrysler and gm products.All were
successful. The 'small stream of water down the carb' was an adjustable
bleed into the carby. You don't want that much as to risk hydraulic lock.
It's about 2 or 3 ltrs per tank of fuel. How convienent ! Fill the water
tank at the same time as refueling. I'm not going to debate the performance
gains/losses but engines pulled down took far less to clean far less time
in the hot tank. The exhaust valves, that usually have that hard baked
carbon buildup, look just like new, the same for the ports. Very Impressive
!! ...But this was twenty something years ago when super grade was 100
octane, and charcoal canisters didn't exist, and a valve grind and de-coke
was very necessary and dirty work. - Well that's blown me age!.
LPG does have similar self cleaning properties - In comparison to the very
hot dry exhaust of a petrol engine, LPG is cooler and definitely a 'wetter'
feel. This is my opinion only.

Regards.

Les
E-mail: lesw cyber.net.au
'86 F100C 351 2WD LWB LPG powered
XTGT Falcon 351C avgas
Fairlane 302C - Gotta have something to collect parts with.



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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 16:19:01 -0500
From: "ROB SARTORIUS"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - eec-IV not returning anything...

I recently installed a new eec-IV computer brain and I am not getting
anything when I hook up a Ford scanner...no beeps, whizzes or anything.
I know it is working because it detected (by the brake light) a small leak
in the proportional valve of the braking system. Any other way to see it is
is operating?

Rob Sartorius
Edmond, OK

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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 17:40:47 EDT
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - (no subject)

Joe, Could you be a little more specific as to where this popping is coming
from cause there are a zillion things that it could be.. Im assuming though (
cause its the most common) that you mean into the carbuerator .. That is
fuel starvation.. You might have bad gas water logged or an incredibly
clogged fuel filter or worse yet a fuel pump thats not pumping enough fuel.
A loud popping out the exhaust ( or a backfire) could be the same thing or
timing..
Please let us know a little more specifically about this
Bob
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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 16:31:09 -0600
From: "Smeins, Larry"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Front brakes locked up.

This happened to a friends 93 F-150 this past weekend. He was towing a
flatbed car hauler trailer with a disassembled storage shed/outhouse to his
mountain lot. I know this was a pretty good load for the 150. The trailer
has 4 wheel surge disc brakes that work. About the time he got to the most
steep up/down area he started smelling brake smoke and assumed it was from
someone in front of him. When he got to his future cabin site, after a
couple stops and several brake applications, he stopped and attempted to
back up. He had disengaged the trailer surge brakes for backing but the
truck would not move. He checked the front hubs for engagement and found
the front brakes were scorching hot. He allowed the brakes to cool. After
cooling the brakes released and the truck worked fine. He towed the empty
trailer home, about 100 miles, with no re-occurrence of the lock up problem
but did feel some pulling to one side when applying the brakes. I think
I've seen mention of sticking front calipers but don't remember the details.
Advice welcomed.

Larry
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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 18:36:50 EDT
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Front brakes locked up.

from working on the old cabs we had in the eighties, if the brakes overheat,
and the overheat causes the brakes to lockup sometimes the fluid can
collapse the inner parts of the brake line which will cause a caliper to
lock up.. the lines are about twenty five bucks in Auto Zone
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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 16:40:59 -0600
From: "Giddens, Scott"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Carbon Deposits/Water Injection

Watching my dad do this was a thrill in itself, he would rev up the motor,
pour a cup of water from a coffee can down the carb, and a white cloud would
shoot out the back of his truck. It was incredible the amount of water he
would use and after being in engineering for so long I realize the danger of
doing this. Water is much denser than air and super heating it causes it to
expand more than air and this generates a much higher pressure than the
motor is designed to handle. It will blow out your head gasket and even
worst blow the head off your engine!

Scott
- -----Original Message-----
From: Jim Cannon [SMTP:cannon zapware.com]
Sent: Monday, July 05, 1999 8:58 PM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - help quickly please part2

You got the head off fast! That's good; get the coolant out of there.

I am surprised that it is #1 but it is certainly possible. (My guess that
you'd find the problem in #5, #6 is based on the fact that they get the
poorest cooling back there, tend to run hotter and warp head or degrade
head gasket faster.)

I agree that cracked head or block is a possibility. The head you can clean
up and then take to a machine shop to have it "magnafluxed" to look for
cracks. They can also do dye penetration tests where the dye shows up under
a black light. (They wipe it off the surface but it soaks in the crack and
makes it visible.)

The block is more trouble to find a crack in because it is more difficult
to take to a shop. Clean the gasket surface really well and inspect with a
magnifying glass. Heads are more common to crack, but the block will, too.
Usually if you overheat it by running out of coolant.

Do not assume that just because the head gasket was intact that it was not
leaking. It is possible to have the head gasket fail to seal but be
physically looking ok. If you can not find any cracks anywhere on the
head/block, or any other reason to have the leak, I would suggest you go
ahead and replace the head gasket. That is probably the problem. Sometimes
they just fail. How many miles/years on this engine? Has it ever overheated
or boiled over that you know of?

The shiny #1 top of piston is interesting. Is it the only one that is
shiny? Have you been losing/using coolant for a while?

There has been discussion on the list for a while about using a small
stream of water down the carb intake while running the engine at high RPMs
to clean out carbon deposits. Others suggest doing it with ATF. I have
never had an engine that I was getting ready to tear down that I could run
this experiment on (pour water in then look at the combustion chamber).
Sounds like you have accidentally done this. Very interesting.

Keep us posted with what you find. Good luck!

At 22:20 05/07/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Could be a cracked head on Cylinder #1. Usually they will crack right in
>the middle of the two valves. Check there and see if you see any small
>cracks.
>
>Anthony
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: The Casey Family
>To: fordtrucks
>Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2000 9:59 PM
>Subject: FTE 80-96 - help quickly please part2
>
>
>| Pulled the heads off the 4.9l found water in cylinder #1 the head gasket
>was
>| still intact no sign of leak from there. The piston in the #1 cylinder
was
>| bright metal is this common when the water gets in there still looking
for
>| water leak any suggestions.
>|

Jim Cannon
Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD
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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 18:43:29 EDT
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - steering column question

My truck pulled a good one on me today.. i was driving and the tilt mechanism
on my 1989 F 250 decided to let go, so the steering wheel now flops all
over.. this is especially anoying when trying to paralell park .. but
anyway the question im asking is are there any special tools im gonna need
to get this column apart??
I have the wheel puller and i have a snap ring pliers as well as the normal
sockets and hex /torx set..Anything else i need??
thanks in advance
Bob
89 F 250 2WD ( rapidly becoming a headache)
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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 18:55:10 EDT
From: Skullxbonz aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Removing overspray

Try some WD-40 and some elbow grease.
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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 19:01:00 EDT
From: Skullxbonz aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Air pump to compressor?

Are you spending time at the Dunes??????
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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 19:16:22 EDT
From: Skullxbonz aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - steering column question

My 85 F 250 has a tilt wheel. The guy that owned it before me used the
steering wheel as a get-me-up-in-this-tall-truck handle. Now my wheel leans
to one side, and the tilt doesn't work too well. I can easily break it out
of position. Good luck, and let me know what tools you need too!!!!!!!
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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 17:42:07 -0600
From: "Giddens, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Front brakes locked up.

Larry,

Same thing happened to me The brake line was damaged to the point it would
lock up when backing up and turning because the brake line would pinch
itself shut. Have him turn the wheel both directions and look at the brake
lines between the wheel and the chassis. I also had to replace the warped
rotors, glazed pads, and seals in the slaves. The slave cylinder seal was
pushed out far enough to cause the pad to drag only on one side. (I replaced
the pads since I had it apart and both seals because it is wise to replace
both)

Scott

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From: ROlson1039 aol.com [SMTP:ROlson1039 aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 4:37 PM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Front brakes locked up.

from working on the old cabs we had in the eighties, if the brakes overheat,

and the overheat causes the brakes to lockup sometimes the fluid can
collapse the inner parts of the brake line which will cause a caliper to
lock up.. the lines are about twenty five bucks in Auto Zone
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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 16:52:26 -0700
From: "Gerald L. Hinkle Jr. CPA"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Where is everone at?

I am located in Yuma, AZ. High temps currently well above 110 degrees.
Bring a sweater, its a dry heat!

Jerry Hinkle Jr. CPA
"RULEMAKER" 94 F-350 Crew Cab 4x4
"LTS-ROK" 80 JEEP CJ-5
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Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 19:31:15 -0500
From: "The Casey Family"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - help quickly please part 4

Found a 85 f150 for 400.00 will try to switch engine out how hard is it to
switch from a 3 speed with granny to a automatic. will the 302 bolt straight
up to the 3 speed with granny first time doing this stuff lot's of questions
I appreciate the help and will join now when I have the cash great site
guys.


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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 17:56:59 -0700
From: "Posluszny, Walt (POSL)"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: MAP sensor

Mike, Thanks for your detailed description of the MAP sensor. One additional
point...based on a discussion with a Ford Service Manager in Denver some
years ago......he said by measuring pressure differential(which includes the
effects of barometric pressure changes) , the MAP sensor essentially feeds
data to the computer that allows it to adjust for altitude changes to keep
everything running at the correct A/F ratio and optimum timing. At least
this is what he told me when he replaced my MAP sensor under warranty. It
was an 85 F-150 set up for hi-altitude. He told me it was reading the
equivalent of 6200 feet instead of 5300 feet. Perhaps he was oversciencing
the simple sensor. Who knows. Walt

Re : MAP sensor
> -[snip]The MAP sensor doesn't care about altitude it is only measuring
> the absolute pressure in the intake manifold.
>
> Michael McCarthy
> Export, PA
>
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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 21:08:37 -0400
From: "Troy"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - RE: Tailgate down...

On 6 Jul 99, at 11:39, Giddens, Scott wrote:

>Maybe if you only put the tailgate down when there was nothing in the bed of
>the truck then the gas mileage increase is due to your truck being lighter.

The truck very seldom has any kind of heavy load in the first place.
If anything, maybe 100 pounds worth of computer equipment when
I was working at my last job.

>I only know what I have seen on wind tunnel tests and computer simulations,
>not actual testing like you claim so I will give you credit for that if the
>mileage increase was not due to weight reduction, wind direction, or wind
>speed. Tests mean nothing unless it is under controlled conditions with
>known factors that can directly effect the results.

No, it didn't have to do with weight reduction. It is just common
sense to me. If you have wind dragging on something, such as a
tailgate at the end of a truck bed, then it's gonna hold the vehicle
back and make the engine/tranny work a little harder to keep the
speeds that you want. Especially in windy conditions. If you put
the tailgate down and the wind is able to escape the rear end of the
pickup and not catch on the tailgate and create the drag, it seems
it would increase your gas mileage. Maybe get another mile out of
the gallon or so, depending on your driving habits.

>Just because your tailgate has not come out yet doesn't mean it can't. If
>you read your manual you will see how easy the standard tailgate is to
>remove and the warnings they give you about them coming off when you hit a
>bump. The are not designed to operate while in the down position, that would
>be similar to driving down the road with your hood up, it's that simple.

I have removed the tailgate before. I have the cables on each side,
so if it were to come out of it's catches, then it wouldn't even
stretch far enough to hit the ground or another car for that fact
(unless they are riding my bumper, but they deserve what they get
under those conditions).

You might be a redneck if... You rip a loud one and blame your date.
- Jeff Foxworthy


Troy Williams
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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 21:08:37 -0400
From: "Troy"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: Tailgate down...

On 6 Jul 99, at 8:53, McMahon, Todd R. wrote:

>What about getting one of those after-market "flow-thru" tailgates made from
>bars of flat steel welded together? They sorta like window blinds - do you
>know what I'm talking about? You could make a plywood cover or something if
>you needed to haul dirt (etc), or just keep the original tailgate for those
>occasions. I'm sure I've seen them in the JC-Whitney catalog. You see them
>quite often here in southern California - there are even some that are
>simply like a cargo net.


That's what I was considering getting, just that money does
become a factor from time to time. :) I don't trust the air gates,
seems they would break if I was hauling a heavy load and it slid to
the back end on an incline, etc.

You might be a redneck if... You think a manicure is some kind of
French doctor. - Jeff Foxworthy


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Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 18:19:58 -0700
From: Bob Kennedy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - eec-IV not returning anything...

If you disconnect the battery for about 5 min you are guaranteed a 15,18, or 19
when you connect it back up. You may try using an analog VOM to verify output.


Bob


ROB SARTORIUS wrote:

> I recently installed a new eec-IV computer brain and I am not getting
> anything when I hook up a Ford scanner...no beeps, whizzes or anything.
> I know it is working because it detected (by the brake light) a small leak
> in the proportional valve of the braking system. Any other way to see it is
> is operating?
>
> Rob Sartorius
> Edmond, OK
>
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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 21:20:56 EDT
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Wanted: 98 Cobra Coupe in Bright Atlantic Blue

No offense intended...but isn't this a Ford TRUCK list. I think you need to
go to Stangnet or Corral for a post like this one. Geez...we have enough
problems on this list with guys mentioning Ch*tty trucks and the like. At
least its a Ford product.
Later
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
In a message dated 7/6/99 4:45:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
jcthorne flash.net writes:


Blue. As you may know, not many in this color were produced so they are
not plentiful on the used car lots. If anyone knows of one sitting on a
dealer's lot or has one for sale, please let me know. I have funds
arranged and will travel to anywhere in the 48 states (closer to Texas
is better as I live in Houston).

Thanks,

James Thorne
>>
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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 21:22:37 EDT
From: Skullxbonz aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: Tailgate down...

How about using a tonnaeu cover over the bed, and not worrying about the
tailgate giving wind resistance. Air just flows right over the bed???
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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 21:50:32 EDT
From: JSC721 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Removing overspray

Hello,
I know of a great product for removing overspray. Its called Rapidcut. It is
a compound and will remove overspray and not dull your finish. It is safe for
clearcoats. I purchased some for my 89 e-250 and it works great. Its not sold
in stores because it is used by professional detailing shops, and works great
by hand(no machine). I ordered it from their website its
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.flashwax.com

p.s. They shipped it to me right away. Joe



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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 21:54:49 EDT
From: ACMERCG aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: Tailgate down...

In a message dated 07/06/1999 9:27:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Skullxbonz AOL.COM writes:


tailgate giving wind resistance. Air just flows right over the bed??? >>

not exactly, if you ever looked at a Tonneau cover at about 60 mph, it will
bow right about in the middle, where the air begins to come back down from
over the cab. A tonneau will help, but there is resistance. The least
resistance would be running without a tailgate.

Joe
Lost in Jersey
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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 22:06:14 EDT
From: MRStace84 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: Tailgate down...

>How about using a tonnaeu cover over the bed, and not worrying about the
>tailgate giving wind resistance. Air just flows right over the bed???

I'll agree with that. I've got a tonnaeu on my Ranger, and it's a good help
to gas mileage, and kind of handy too. Back to the tailgate down.. Someone
may have mentioned this before, so I apologize if I'm recovering the same
ground. The thing I never like about leaving a tailgate down was not
necessarlily worrying about the tailgate falling out, but over time, leaving
the tailgate gate down will cause the seams that hold the actual pieces of
the bed together to weaken because the rear of the bed sides do not have any
vertical support, and the bed sides will become loose, and 'flap' for lack of
a better term. Granted the trucks I've seen this happen to, were 15 to 20
years old and have had a lot of abuse (usually lack of washing and rust
build-up is a factor), but it can happen. Good way to make yourself a flat
bed if you want one. Just my two cents.

Stace

84 F150 4x4
98 Ranger XLT 4x4
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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 22:51:38 -0500
From: "Harris, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - steering column question

Bob,
I recently disassembled my steering column to replace an steering/shift
interlock and discovered that one side of the tilt mechanism had come off
the hinge pin. I was able to move it back into position and it works fine.
Be ready to spend some time on it because there is alot of nuts and bolts in
the area to get to it. I didn't need any special tools though.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ROlson1039 aol.com [SMTP:ROlson1039 aol.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 5:43 PM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - steering column question
>
> My truck pulled a good one on me today.. i was driving and the tilt
> mechanism
> on my 1989 F 250 decided to let go, so the steering wheel now flops all
> over.. this is especially anoying when trying to paralell park .. but
> anyway the question im asking is are there any special tools im gonna
> need
> to get this column apart??
> I have the wheel puller and i have a snap ring pliers as well as the
> normal
> sockets and hex /torx set..Anything else i need??
> thanks in advance
> Bob
> 89 F 250 2WD ( rapidly becoming a headache)
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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 22:54:13 -0500
From: "Harris, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - steering column question

When you disassemble it you'll find a set of teeth with a position pin(??)
where it will lock into different angles. It is like a shift selector that
gets worn overtime allowing it to be shifted without any effort to get it
unlocked. No special tools needed but I was able to fix everything without
new parts.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Skullxbonz aol.com [SMTP:Skullxbonz aol.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 6:16 PM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - steering column question
>
> My 85 F 250 has a tilt wheel. The guy that owned it before me used the
> steering wheel as a get-me-up-in-this-tall-truck handle. Now my wheel
> leans
> to one side, and the tilt doesn't work too well. I can easily break it
> out
> of position. Good luck, and let me know what tools you need too!!!!!!!
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Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 23:43:06 -0500
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - (no subject)

Radius arm bushing(s) loose or worn? I don't know. How many pops typically?
One?

At 17:06 06/07/99 EDT, you wrote:
>Guys,
> Anyone have a popping sound on acceleration and stopping on their
>F-150? I know about the popping while parking and stuff, but I just
recently
>noticed this too...
>
>Anyone?
>
>Joe
>Lost in jersey
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'29 Ford Model A Phaeton '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
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