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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - shocks - getting it right, once
FTE 80-96 - 1985 F-150 Rough Idle (Follow up)
Re: FTE 80-96 - What area is everyone in???
Re: FTE 80-96 - shocks - getting it right, once
Re: FTE 80-96 - shocks - getting it right, once
Re: FTE 80-96 - What area is everyone in???
FTE 80-96 - Ford transmissions/re: soapbox
AW: FTE 80-96 - What area is everyone in???
FTE 80-96 - Where is everybody?
FTE 80-96 - Ford transmissions/re: soapbox
FTE 80-96 - AC
Re: FTE 80-96 - Ford transmissions/re: soapbox
FTE 80-96 - AC
FTE 80-96 - 1993 FORD Bronco WOES!
Re: FTE 80-96 - 1993 FORD Bronco WOES!
FTE 80-96 - MAP Sensor
FTE 80-96 - 1985 F-150 Rough Idle (Follow up)
Re: AW: FTE 80-96 - What area is everyone in???
Re: AW: FTE 80-96 - What area is everyone in???
FTE 80-96 - What area is everyone in???
FTE 80-96 - help quickly please part2
Re: FTE 80-96 - shocks - getting it right, once
Re: FTE 80-96 - help quickly please part2
FTE 80-96 - Driving me CRAZY!!
Re: FTE 80-96 - Driving me CRAZY!!
FTE 80-96 - Removing overspray
Re: FTE 80-96 - What area is everyone in???
Re: FTE 80-96 - help quickly please part2
Re: FTE 80-96 - Driving me CRAZY!!
Re: FTE 80-96 - Driving me CRAZY!!
FTE 80-96 - Looking for Factory CD player
Re: FTE 80-96 - Looking for Factory CD player
FTE 80-96 - Air pump to compressor?
RE: FTE 80-96 - shocks - getting it right, once

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Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 17:38:35 +1000
From: les
Subject: FTE 80-96 - shocks - getting it right, once

On Sunday, July 04, 1999 11:00 PM, Jim Kudulis [SMTP:jimm excite.com]
wrote:
> After having more time with the truck over the last few days, I think I'm
> gonna jerk the Edelbrocks off and send em back. The seem to mush out the
> little bumps but railroad tracks or pavement bumps seem to make the
truck
> bounce like there are no shocks on at all. Yesterday I rapped some
tracks
> hard and I wound up half in the other lane. Now like you I guess I need
> some advice.
> Jim
>
Geeez Thanks Jim.
I haven't spent any money yet and that's exactly the problem I have, hit a
bump and change lanes - I'm gonna get booked for failing to indicate an
intended lane change - or lean too hard on a toy hyundai. Oh and the nice
scollop pattern on the front tyres. Got to do something - and Real Soon
Now.
The Only recommendation I've seen is for the Gabriels, a few days days
back!
The two choices I suggested must have been real bad, cause nobody has
commented.

Thanks for the tip on the mounts, I shall watch out for that.

Regards.

Les
E-mail: lesw cyber.net.au
F100 351 2WD LWB LPG powered

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Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 07:12:54 -0400
From: "Michael McCarthy"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 1985 F-150 Rough Idle (Follow up)

This message is a follow up to my original message requesting advice on
fixing my rough idle problem.
I suppose the saying "To soon old, too late smart" fits my situation but I
thought I would share the solution with the list in the event anyone else
out there has the same problem. I mean the too soon old.... problem.
I had a rough idle, black smoke, etc. but I was primarily concerned with the
rough idle.
I replaced the carb and that did cure the black smoke problem although I
didn't notice it at first. I was preoccupied with the idle problem. The carb
had been rebuilt previously and I didn't want to do that again so a new carb
was in order. The situation was better, but I still had a rough idle.
I replaced the air cleaner - still had a rough idle. No improvement.
I replaced the PCV valve - still had a rough idle. No improvement.
I replaced the Oxygen Sensor - still had a rough idle. No improvement.
I replaced the EGR valve - better, but still had a rough idle.
I replaced the distributor module on the advice of the local parts store
guy - better, but still had a rough idle.
I got around to checking all of the vacuum hoses and found the hose running
from the vacuum manifold to the MAP sensor almost completely severed on the
underside. Seems it was rubbing against the EGR manifold and a combination
of heat and stress finally severed it. I replaced all of the vacuum hoses
under the hood - much better, but still had a rough idle.
At this point I couldn't really decide if I still had a rough idle or a
timing problem.
Reset the timing - still had a rough idle (miss?)
Checked the engine codes and the KOEO codes informed me that the MAP sensor
had an incorrect reading.
Replaced the MAP sensor - still had a rough idle - no improvement.
Reset the timing again - - still had a rough idle - no improvement.
I finally decided to check the intake manifold bolts. Dang bolts weren't
tight at all. Tightened the bolts and so far the problem is resolved.
I know I heard that I should tighten the intake manifold bolts way back in
the beginning of this episode (Jim Cannon of Houston) but for some strange
reason I completely ignored this simple advice. I now have essentially a new
truck under the hood, lots of good spare parts, and one hell of an
education. Actually, I did need a new carb and the rest of the items have
been in the truck since '85 so no harm done. (rationalization at its best)
Thanks to all who provided advice and to anyone else with a rough idle
problem, "TIGHTEN THE BOLTS ON THE INTAKE MANIFOLD".
Now on to the engine and transmission oil leaks. Thanks again to all.
God, I love that truck.

Michael McCarthy
Export, PA





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Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 08:14:45 -0500
From: Paul M Radecki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - What area is everyone in???

West Lafayette, Indiana (between Chicago and Indianapolis)

lordjanusz juno.com
'94 F150 XL 300ci

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Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 09:49:06 EDT
From: MRStace84 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - shocks - getting it right, once

I just put a set of Monroes on my 84 F150. I forget the actual model, but
when I bought them, I told the clerk I wanted the heaviest - dutiest shocks
that Monroe made for my truck, and that's what I got. I can't really tell
you how they ride, because I have had my 84 off the road for about a year and
a half doing a little bit a restoration work (at my leisure that's why it's
taking so long). However, I did put a similar set of Monroes on my cousin's
93 Ranger, and he thought they were great. Hope this helps.

Stace

84 F150 4x4
98 Ranger XLT 4x4
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Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 09:40:25 -0500
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - shocks - getting it right, once

Guys-
If you are changing lanes every time you hit a bump, or if your tires are
wearing a scallop pattern, you need to have your front end checked for worn
parts or alignment problems. I had a similar problem with my truck a few
years ago and learned that I needed a tie rod end, two new pivot bushings
and two new radius arm bushings. After that and an alignment, all the tire
wear problems went away as did the unexpected lane changes.

At 17:38 05/07/99 +1000, you wrote:
>On Sunday, July 04, 1999 11:00 PM, Jim Kudulis [SMTP:jimm excite.com]
>wrote:
>> After having more time with the truck over the last few days, I think I'm
>> gonna jerk the Edelbrocks off and send em back. The seem to mush out the
>> little bumps but railroad tracks or pavement bumps seem to make the
>truck
>> bounce like there are no shocks on at all. Yesterday I rapped some
>tracks
>> hard and I wound up half in the other lane. Now like you I guess I need
>> some advice.
>> Jim
>>
>Geeez Thanks Jim.
> I haven't spent any money yet and that's exactly the problem I have, hit a
>bump and change lanes - I'm gonna get booked for failing to indicate an
>intended lane change - or lean too hard on a toy hyundai. Oh and the nice
>scollop pattern on the front tyres. Got to do something - and Real Soon
>Now.
> The Only recommendation I've seen is for the Gabriels, a few days days
>back!
>The two choices I suggested must have been real bad, cause nobody has
>commented.
>
>Thanks for the tip on the mounts, I shall watch out for that.
>
>Regards.
>
>Les
>E-mail: lesw cyber.net.au
>F100 351 2WD LWB LPG powered
>
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'29 Ford Model A Phaeton '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD
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Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 10:58:02 EDT
From: Cerveza6 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - What area is everyone in???

Jery Olinski
Mesa, Arizona
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Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 11:12:31 +0000
From: Moe Gendron
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Ford transmissions/re: soapbox

Hey Guys,
I guess it's never gonna quit rainin in Houston. I have a question
about automatic transmissions. I pulled out my 300/6 and put in a 95
302HO, in a 85 F150. The trans. that I have is a C-4, 3sp. no O/D, (door
sticker says "W") and a #18 axle, that's all I know. It shifts fine,
just seems like it's pullin something till the rpm's go up,I would like
to install a 4sp. auto, non electric O/D. Should I be lookin for a C-6
out of a 80's Mustang?
Isn't the modulator adjustable? It's been years ago I complained to
the trans. guy that the trans. shifted too early, and I think he turned
a screw or something in the modulator that fixed the problem, Maybe I
could adjust this and live with it. If I do change the trans. will I
have to change the rear end also?

Soapbox:
Mr. Paul G. has hit the bullseye. Well put.
just my 1.6 cents after taxes,

See Ya'll,
Moe

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Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 18:34:00 +0200
From: "Ucen, Thomas, PRE"
Subject: AW: FTE 80-96 - What area is everyone in???

Tom Ucen
Munich, Germany
1993 Aerostar Ext. 3.0L

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Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 13:07:02 -0400
From: Paul
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Where is everybody?

I'm still here.
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Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 14:09:38 -0400
From: "Steve"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Ford transmissions/re: soapbox

Moe,

My book shows that the W is a C5 tranny. Also, I don't believe they make a
C6 OD, however the AODs could be a newer version C6 with OD, I don't know.
The rear axle code '18' for an '85 is a 3.08 ratio. The rear axle doesn't
have to be changed, just make sure your bell housing matches your engine
(small block) and the tail shaft housing is the same length as your
original. Your rear axle ratio could be the cause of the anchor feeling,
you might investigate going to 3.89s or 4.10s. You might also try one of
the after market shift kits from B&M or TCI. IF your looking to purchase a
new tranny, I think TCI has some excellent (rebuilt) units and they shift a
little stiffer than the typical street automatic.

Send some rain out here (Durham, NC). It's hot (100), humid, and dry. I
think I'd rather work in the rain!!! I must of lost 5 pounds yesterday
putting on a new finned aluminum tranny pan. (My wife says I could stand to
lose a few anyway).

Steve

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Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 11:41:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Christopher Tirone
Subject: FTE 80-96 - AC

Hello to all from Hartford, CT,

I am in the process of restoring a 1986 F150 4x4
injected 302/AOD regular cab 8' box, and would like to
add AC to it as came from the factory without it. Has
anyone done this or know of any articles that offer
advice? The interior's gutted right now, and the paint
shop's not free until the end of the month, so I
figure this is a good time to do it. Any help would be
appreciated.

Greenman

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Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 16:13:40 CDT
From: Jett Rink
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Ford transmissions/re: soapbox

however the AODs could be a newer version C6 with OD, I don't know.

The AOD is related to the C4 and the EAOD is related to the C6.



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Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 18:21:50 -0400
From: "Steve"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - AC

> I am in the process of restoring a 1986 F150 4x4
> injected 302/AOD regular cab 8' box, and would like to
> add AC to it as came from the factory without it. Has
> anyone done this or know of any articles that offer
> advice? The interior's gutted right now, and the paint
> shop's not free until the end of the month, so I
> figure this is a good time to do it. Any help would be
> appreciated.
>
> Greenman
>
Southern Air or Vintage Air have complete kits for aftermarket installations
or go to the junkyard and find one that has air and steal all the ducts,
evaporator, condensor, and hoses; I suggest purchasing the compressor and
drier/accumulator. You probably need the dash controls also.

Slik

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Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 18:50:00 EDT
From: OnDuty365 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 1993 FORD Bronco WOES!

I am resending this post, mostly because any responses prior were deleted by
me by mistake......

I have a 1993 Ford Bronco with a 302 and one of those $#^% E4OD
transmissions! What I want to do is take out the fuel injection, put in a
351, and put a C-6 tranny in it. I'm tired of this Bronco breaking down and
having to replace transmissions. The second gear keeps going out! Anyone have
any suggestions or ever did a project like this, anything I should be aware
of? Please let me know I need help!
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Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 16:41:11 -0700
From: Bob Kennedy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 1993 FORD Bronco WOES!

Try looking into http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.baumannengineering.com.
They have a lot of info on beefing up the AOD's and E40D's. Including part
numbers for the do it yourselfer.

Bob


OnDuty365 aol.com wrote:

> I am resending this post, mostly because any responses prior were deleted by
> me by mistake......
>
> I have a 1993 Ford Bronco with a 302 and one of those $#^% E4OD
> transmissions! What I want to do is take out the fuel injection, put in a
> 351, and put a C-6 tranny in it. I'm tired of this Bronco breaking down and
> having to replace transmissions. The second gear keeps going out! Anyone have
> any suggestions or ever did a project like this, anything I should be aware
> of? Please let me know I need help!
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Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 19:42:35 -0400
From: "Michael McCarthy"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - MAP Sensor

The MAP Sensor reports engine load to the computer which uses the
information to adjust spark advance and fuel enrichment.
The MAP Sensor measures intake manifold pressure and vacuum on an absolute
scale (from zero instead of from sea level [14.7 psi] as most gauges and
sensors do).
The MAP sensor reads the pressure and vacuum through a hose connected to the
intake manifold. A pressure sensitive ceramic or silicon element and
electronic circuit in the sensor generates a voltage signal that changes in
direct proportion to pressure.
Under low-load, high vacuum, conditions the computer leans the fuel/air
mixture and advances the spark for better fuel economy. Under high-load, low
vacuum, conditions the computer richens the fuel/air mixture and retards the
timing to prevent detonation.
The MAP sensor serves as the electronic equivalent of both a vacuum advance
on the distributor and a power valve in the carburetor.

NOTE: There is a device on the carburetor that compensates for changes in
altitude. The MAP sensor doesn't care about altitude it is only measuring
the absolute pressure in the intake manifold.

Michael McCarthy
Export, PA


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Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 19:44:02 -0400
From: "Michael McCarthy"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 1985 F-150 Rough Idle (Follow up)

This message is a follow up to my original message requesting advice on
fixing my rough idle problem.
I suppose the saying "To soon old, too late smart" fits my situation but I
thought I would share the solution with the list in the event anyone else
out there has the same problem. I mean the too soon old.... problem.
I had a rough idle, black smoke, etc. but I was primarily concerned with the
rough idle.
I replaced the carb and that did cure the black smoke problem although I
didn't notice it at first. I was preoccupied with the idle problem. The carb
had been rebuilt previously and I didn't want to do that again so a new carb
was in order. The situation was better, but I still had a rough idle.
I replaced the air cleaner - still had a rough idle. No improvement.
I replaced the PCV valve - still had a rough idle. No improvement.
I replaced the Oxygen Sensor - still had a rough idle. No improvement.
I replaced the EGR valve - better, but still had a rough idle.
I replaced the distributor module on the advice of the local parts store
guy - better, but still had a rough idle.
I got around to checking all of the vacuum hoses and found the hose running
from the vacuum manifold to the MAP sensor almost completely severed on the
underside. Seems it was rubbing against the EGR manifold and a combination
of heat and stress finally severed it. I replaced all of the vacuum hoses
under the hood - much better, but still had a rough idle.
At this point I couldn't really decide if I still had a rough idle or a
timing problem.
Reset the timing - still had a rough idle (miss?)
Checked the engine codes and the KOEO codes informed me that the MAP sensor
had an incorrect reading.
Replaced the MAP sensor - still had a rough idle - no improvement.
Reset the timing again - - still had a rough idle - no improvement.
I finally decided to check the intake manifold bolts. Dang bolts weren't
tight at all. Tightened the bolts and so far the problem is resolved.
I know I heard that I should tighten the intake manifold bolts way back in
the beginning of this episode (Jim Cannon of Houston) but for some strange
reason I completely ignored this simple advice. I now have essentially a new
truck under the hood, lots of good spare parts, and one hell of an
education. Actually, I did need a new carb and the rest of the items have
been in the truck since '85 so no harm done. (rationalization at its best)
Thanks to all who provided advice and to anyone else with a rough idle
problem, "TIGHTEN THE BOLTS ON THE INTAKE MANIFOLD".
Now on to the engine and transmission oil leaks. Thanks again to all.
God, I love that truck.

Michael McCarthy
Export, PA

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Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 15:12:41 -0500
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: AW: FTE 80-96 - What area is everyone in???

At 18:34 05/07/99 +0200, you wrote:
>
>Tom Ucen
>Munich, Germany
>1993 Aerostar Ext. 3.0L
>
>-->Harald Thierauf: please mail me at ThomasUcen premiere.de!!!


All right! How about an FTE Meet in Munich for Octoberfest?


Jim Cannon
Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD
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Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 21:05:22 EDT
From: ACMERCG aol.com
Subject: Re: AW: FTE 80-96 - What area is everyone in???

Joe Downey
Lost in Jersey
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Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 21:17:34 EST
From: "James"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - What area is everyone in???

I'm in Columbus, Georgia

Cheers,
James Hiers



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Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 20:59:12 -0500
From: "The Casey Family"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - help quickly please part2

Pulled the heads off the 4.9l found water in cylinder #1 the head gasket was
still intact no sign of leak from there. The piston in the #1 cylinder was
bright metal is this common when the water gets in there still looking for
water leak any suggestions.

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Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 19:16:58 PDT
From: "Jim Kudulis"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - shocks - getting it right, once

You're right I should take it to a front end shop just for peace of mind.
She didn't hop with the original equipment gas shocks though. Only 48,000
miles too.
Thanks,
Jim


On Mon, 05 Jul 1999 09:40:25 -0500, Jim Cannon wrote:

> Guys-
> If you are changing lanes every time you hit a bump, or if your tires are
> wearing a scallop pattern, you need to have your front end checked for
worn
> parts or alignment problems. I had a similar problem with my truck a few
> years ago and learned that I needed a tie rod end, two new pivot bushings
> and two new radius arm bushings. After that and an alignment, all the
tire
> wear problems went away as did the unexpected lane changes.
>
> At 17:38 05/07/99 +1000, you wrote:
> >On Sunday, July 04, 1999 11:00 PM, Jim Kudulis [SMTP:jimm excite.com]
> >wrote:
> >> After having more time with the truck over the last few days, I think
I'm
> >> gonna jerk the Edelbrocks off and send em back. The seem to mush out
the
> >> little bumps but railroad tracks or pavement bumps seem to make the
> >truck
> >> bounce like there are no shocks on at all. Yesterday I rapped some
> >tracks
> >> hard and I wound up half in the other lane. Now like you I guess I
need
> >> some advice.
> >> Jim
> >>
> >Geeez Thanks Jim.
> > I haven't spent any money yet and that's exactly the problem I have, hit
a
> >bump and change lanes - I'm gonna get booked for failing to indicate an
> >intended lane change - or lean too hard on a toy hyundai. Oh and the nice

> >scollop pattern on the front tyres. Got to do something - and Real Soon
> >Now.
> > The Only recommendation I've seen is for the Gabriels, a few days days
> >back!
> >The two choices I suggested must have been real bad, cause nobody has
> >commented.
> >
> >Thanks for the tip on the mounts, I shall watch out for that.
> >
> >Regards.
> >
> >Les
> >E-mail: lesw cyber.net.au
> >F100 351 2WD LWB LPG powered
> >
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> Jim Cannon
> Houston, TX
> '29 Ford Model A Phaeton '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
> '80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD
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Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 22:20:43 -0400
From: "Anthony Trantham"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - help quickly please part2

Could be a cracked head on Cylinder #1. Usually they will crack right in
the middle of the two valves. Check there and see if you see any small
cracks.

Anthony

- ----- Original Message -----
From: The Casey Family
To: fordtrucks
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2000 9:59 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - help quickly please part2


| Pulled the heads off the 4.9l found water in cylinder #1 the head gasket
was
| still intact no sign of leak from there. The piston in the #1 cylinder was
| bright metal is this common when the water gets in there still looking for
| water leak any suggestions.
|
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Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 22:29:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: DBblueboy webtv.net (Jerome Kelly)
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Driving me CRAZY!!

I went to the local brake, tire and shock shop. Had all of the above
done to my
Ford F150. As I drive through the platt,
I have to listen to a knock in both wheels
in stereo. Have had the front tires off a
number of times to no avail. Took it back
to the shop. They tightened the shoes some. It helped until I got on
and off the
freeway. I am suprised I don't get arrested for breaking the noise
ordinance.
The front rotors were turned. For some
reason I have a feeling in my gut they were turned pass specs. Can
anybody
give me an opinion? I think the job was
done wrong but don't know what to tell
them.




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Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 22:42:59 EDT
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Driving me CRAZY!!

are the anti knock clips installed atop the pads in the caliper???
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Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 20:03:32 -0700
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Removing overspray

About a month ago I managed to pick up a bunch of overspray (from a house
being painted or something) all over the drivers side of my Bronco. The
paint is whitish and in tiny flecks, which does not match my dark blue paint
very well. I tried taking it off with some 3M Finish Restorer, but no luck.
I suppose I could use Goof-Off, but I would like to try and keep MY paint
on. does anyone know of a product that will remove the overspray without
ruining my "soft" early-90's paint?

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Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 21:07:47 -0700
From: redmist mb.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - What area is everyone in???

Anola, Manitoba, Canada

Sheldon Charron

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Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 21:57:51 -0500
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - help quickly please part2

You got the head off fast! That's good; get the coolant out of there.

I am surprised that it is #1 but it is certainly possible. (My guess that
you'd find the problem in #5, #6 is based on the fact that they get the
poorest cooling back there, tend to run hotter and warp head or degrade
head gasket faster.)

I agree that cracked head or block is a possibility. The head you can clean
up and then take to a machine shop to have it "magnafluxed" to look for
cracks. They can also do dye penetration tests where the dye shows up under
a black light. (They wipe it off the surface but it soaks in the crack and
makes it visible.)

The block is more trouble to find a crack in because it is more difficult
to take to a shop. Clean the gasket surface really well and inspect with a
magnifying glass. Heads are more common to crack, but the block will, too.
Usually if you overheat it by running out of coolant.

Do not assume that just because the head gasket was intact that it was not
leaking. It is possible to have the head gasket fail to seal but be
physically looking ok. If you can not find any cracks anywhere on the
head/block, or any other reason to have the leak, I would suggest you go
ahead and replace the head gasket. That is probably the problem. Sometimes
they just fail. How many miles/years on this engine? Has it ever overheated
or boiled over that you know of?

The shiny #1 top of piston is interesting. Is it the only one that is
shiny? Have you been losing/using coolant for a while?

There has been discussion on the list for a while about using a small
stream of water down the carb intake while running the engine at high RPMs
to clean out carbon deposits. Others suggest doing it with ATF. I have
never had an engine that I was getting ready to tear down that I could run
this experiment on (pour water in then look at the combustion chamber).
Sounds like you have accidentally done this. Very interesting.

Keep us posted with what you find. Good luck!

At 22:20 05/07/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Could be a cracked head on Cylinder #1. Usually they will crack right in
>the middle of the two valves. Check there and see if you see any small
>cracks.
>
>Anthony
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: The Casey Family
>To: fordtrucks
>Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2000 9:59 PM
>Subject: FTE 80-96 - help quickly please part2
>
>
>| Pulled the heads off the 4.9l found water in cylinder #1 the head gasket
>was
>| still intact no sign of leak from there. The piston in the #1 cylinder was
>| bright metal is this common when the water gets in there still looking for
>| water leak any suggestions.
>|

Jim Cannon
Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD
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Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 21:57:41 -0500
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Driving me CRAZY!!

At 22:29 05/07/99 -0400, you wrote:
>I went to the local brake, tire and shock shop. Had all of the above
>done to my
>Ford F150. As I drive through the platt,
>I have to listen to a knock in both wheels
>in stereo.

I can not figure out what a knock sound in both front wheels sounds like.
Also I missed the year and if 2WD or 4WD.

>Have had the front tires off a
>number of times to no avail. Took it back
>to the shop. They tightened the shoes some. It helped until I got on
>and off the
>freeway. I am suprised I don't get arrested for breaking the noise
>ordinance.

What exactly did they do to "tighten the shoes"? This is in the front, so I
assume you mean tighten the calipers. They are designed to "float" so you
can not really tighten them up.

What sort of sound did they make after going on the freeway that you
thought should have gotten you arrested? A loud screeching?

>The front rotors were turned. For some
>reason I have a feeling in my gut they were turned pass specs. Can
>anybody
>give me an opinion?

If you can get a micrometer in there and read the thickness now you can
determine if they are too thin. Most shops are really good about not doing
this because of the liability. Do you know how many times they have been
turned in the past? If not, you can probably guess by assuming they were
turned once every 50 k miles. How many miles on truck? Most rotors are good
for 2 or 3 turns (unless you gouge them by running the front pads down to
the rivets.)

>I think the job was
>done wrong but don't know what to tell them.

I think I would begin with a test drive and ask them how many of their
customer's vehicles sound like this after they are done with them.

What manufcturer and what composition brake pads did they put in? Maybe
that's the problem (cheap pads).

I'm out of ideas. Good luck.

Jim Cannon
Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD
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Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 21:59:07 -0500
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Driving me CRAZY!!

At 22:42 05/07/99 EDT, you wrote:
> are the anti knock clips installed atop the pads in the caliper???

You would think a BRAKE SHOP would know to do this. Doh! They probably put
them on the wrong end!

Jim Cannon
Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD
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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 00:10:42 EDT
From: Dinga15 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Looking for Factory CD player

Hello,
I am looking for a Factory in-dash CD player for the 94-96 F-series...anyone
know where i can find one? the junkyards around here doesnt have them

Thanks
Justin
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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 01:52:32 -0400
From: "Steve"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Looking for Factory CD player

> Hello,
> I am looking for a Factory in-dash CD player for the 94-96
F-series...anyone
> know where i can find one? the junkyards around here doesnt have them
>
Try Crutchfield. They are a mail-order company!!

Slik

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Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 23:09:25 -0700
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Air pump to compressor?

Due to the fact that I am rather fond of my creature comforts I can't bring
myself to turn my A/C compressor into an air compressor, so I was trying to
figure out how to mount an engien driven compressor in my Bronco. The only
belt driven accessory I have that is not "mission critical" is the smog
pump. Unfortunately I need to be able to pass the emissions testing in my
state and the cats will not last too long without a functioning smog pump.
Then I had a brilliant idea, put an A/C compressor converted to an air
compressor in place of the smog pump and then us IT to supply fresh air to
the exhaust. I figured I would need to install a pressure regulator to
supply the correct pressure, and wiring the solenoid in to deliver air from
the regulator to the exhaust. Is this a goofy idea or what?

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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 17:25:36 +1000
From: les
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - shocks - getting it right, once

On Tuesday, July 06, 1999 12:40 AM, Jim Cannon [SMTP:cannon zapware.com]
wrote:
> Guys-
> If you are changing lanes every time you hit a bump, or if your tires are
> wearing a scallop pattern, you need to have your front end checked for
worn
> parts or alignment problems. I had a similar problem with my truck a few....


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