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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: Tailgate Down
Re: FTE 80-96 - Do I have Posi??
Re: FTE 80-96 - 91 F-250 ?????Brakes, Tires, Rear Fuel Tank, and Axle (sort of long)
RE: FTE 80-96 - RE: Tailgate down...
Re: FTE 80-96 - Do I have Posi??
Re: FTE 80-96 - Do I have Posi??
FTE 80-96 - RE: 85 F-150 Rough Idle
FTE 80-96 - Re: Preliminary Success in IVR Replacement
FTE 80-96 - Rade's fourth of July soapbox
FTE 80-96 - 4x4 questions
FTE 80-96 - engine size
FTE 80-96 - capacity
FTE 80-96 - landscape truck
Re: FTE 80-96 - Rade's fourth of July soapbox
Re: FTE 80-96 - Rade's fourth of July soapbox
Re: FTE 80-96 - Rade's fourth of July soapbox
Re: FTE 80-96 - Do I have Posi??
Re: FTE 80-96 - Rade's fourth of July soapbox
Re: FTE 80-96 - Rade's fourth of July soapbox
Re: FTE 80-96 - landscape truck
FTE 80-96 - new truck

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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 07:27:28 EDT
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: Tailgate Down

In a message dated 6/30/99 9:30:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dharmier gte.net
writes:


my truck.
Woe to any car fool who hits me!!! (I'd like a new truck anyway!)

Dave H. >>
Dave,
LMAO....you got that right. Used to have a Ch*tty pickup truck with a Tommy
Gate on it. Had a guy in a Honda hit me....the put what was left of his car
in a trashcan. =)
Later,
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
"Hazardous Material"
Wayne's Page
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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 07:30:47 EDT
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Do I have Posi??

Sheldon,
Also be sure what spline rear end you have. I don't know what year they
changed over from the 28 spline to the 31 spline, but my 94 has a 31 spline.
Later,
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
"Hazardous Material"
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Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 08:12:44 -0500
From: Steve Randa
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 91 F-250 ?????Brakes, Tires, Rear Fuel Tank, and Axle (sort of long)

Hi Paul,

I just replaced my open differential in my '84 with a Tractech C-locker
by the manufacturers of Detroit Locker. It is quite a bit more than say
a Loc-rite locker, but its a heck of a lot quiter. I've had both. Picked
it up through the FMS (ahhem...FRPP) catalog. Love it. Of course 4:10s
didn't hurt either while I was down there. ;)

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Steve Randa

WoodStck45 aol.com wrote:
>

> Another question:I have a open style 3:55 ratio rear end. i would like to
> put a posi-trac in it and was wondering if anyone has done this in a similiar
> truck and what kind of results/satisfaction you got from the one you chose.
> I'm looking for both rear wheels to pull 99.9% of the time (always both
> except on a turn on pavement). So i guess that knocks out auburn's limit
> slip devices they got. I thought about a LockRight but i've heard some last
> a long time and some burn up in like 8,000 miles and when they do your out of
> luck. Would a Detroit or Detroit gearless be a good choice, their not much
> more than a LockRight.
long of a message
>
> Thanks
> Paul
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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 09:16:08 -0600
From: "Giddens, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - RE: Tailgate down...

Putting the tailgate down causes the rear air to be more turbulent
(disruptive) and increases the drag/reduces fuel mileage. This has been
confirmed by many tests and studies and is the main reason the auto
manufacturers don't indorse it or design a better one. It also is very
dangerous to other people on the road (not to mention the damage to your
truck) when the tail gate comes out of the catch on any negative G forces
like it is designed to do. If you insist on running with it down you should
buy an Airgate or remove it completely.

On a related item, I had to chase a guy down in his truck years ago when he
was running with his tailgate down and his 4-way bounced out of the back of
his open bed and impaled itself into the grill of my truck. Missing the
radiator by a few inches. Anytime I see someone so stupid as to drive on the
freeway with anything in the back that is not constrained I report them. The
life you save may be someone you know.

Scott

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Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 7:01 PM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: Tailgate down...

On 25 Jun 99, at 17:38, Dave Harmier wrote:

>I have never run a whole tank through my '92 with the tailgate up!!!
>That's how much I swear by it!!! And another reason I know, is
>that I have a bed mat over 3/4 plywood to protect my floor, and with
>the gate up, that thing curls up under the tool box!!!

I only put the thing down if I'm out on the highways for long periods
of time. I don't like to do it on the busier roads for fear of a rear end
collision that might cause massive damage to the bed the rear
bumper might have avoided.

>p.s. I still think I'm getting a LOT more spam since joining the list???

I don't know, I just switched accounts. I have signed onto a few
email lists and posted to them all, and I have NO spam.

You might be a redneck if... You burn your yard rather than mow it.
- Jeff Foxworthy


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Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 10:04:27 -0700
From: redmist mb.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Do I have Posi??

FLR150 aol.com wrote:
>
> Sheldon,
> Also be sure what spline rear end you have. I don't know what year they
> changed over from the 28 spline to the 31 spline, but my 94 has a 31 spline.

Uh...What is a a spline? Is that the same as gearing? or is that more
like how far the threads are a part on a bolt. I knew I should have
taken auto in high school!!

Sheldon

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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 12:14:48 EDT
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Do I have Posi??

Sheldon,
The spline count is the number of ridges (or SPLINES) on your axles. These
are not as common as the 28 spline (most mustangs). I don't know if they went
to the 31 spline in 92 or 93 but it was one of those years. If you want a
good unit, see if you can find a whole rear end out of a 92+ Explorer. They
all had either a Limited Slip or Posi unit with 31 spline axles.
Later
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
"Hazardous Material"
Wayne's Page
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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 09:38:35 -0700
From: "Posluszny, Walt (POSL)"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: 85 F-150 Rough Idle

Mike, Check the MAP sensor. Usually mounted on the firewall, has one vacuum
line and one connector. Check out the voltages vs. vacuum as per Ford spec.
Walt

> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 06:42:52 -0400
> From: "Michael McCarthy"
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - 1985 F-150 Rough Idle
>
> I have been experiencing rough idling in my '85 F150/I6. [snip]
> I have replace the EGR valve, PCV valve and the Oxygen sensor. I have
> checked for vacuum leaks and can't find any. When the engine is running
> particularly rough at idle the emissions smell strange (not like burning
> oil) and the exhaust is black.
> Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>
> Michael McCarthy
> Export, PA
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Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 12:21:57 -0700
From: Vogt Family
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Preliminary Success in IVR Replacement

On Wed, 30 Jun 1999, Mike Sloane wrote:
>
> I am glad to hear that the material I sent helped. I too found out that the
> capacitors were discontinued and found substitutes but I haven't built the
> unit yet. And yes, the article in Nuts & Volts did indicate that the
> additional components were there to protect from voltage spikes. The author
> indicated that such spikes are more common in automotive electrical systems
> than we would assume. I don't suppose such added protection would hurt.

I don't know, maybe it is there to protect the regulator. In any case I
don't think it is necessary for the gauges but who is to tell what is
what. They didn't send any documentation with the regulator.

> Just out of curiosity, how big a box did you use? I was planning on using a
> perfboard, but your busbar construction method sounds like a good solution.
> Here in NJ the weather is too hot right now to even think about getting
> under a truck dashboard, but maybe I will build the unit in my air
> conditioned workshop and wait for a cool day to do the installation.

I believe the part number I used was SCR8B-ND. I used hot glue to stick
the regulator to one end with the pins facing up. Then I ran the bus
wires down to the other ends (2 were stripped copper and one was the
output lead from the big rectifier), hot gluing them to the case where I
thought necessary to protect from vibration. At the other end, I cut 3
notches in the case with a hacksaw for the wires to exit and hot glued
again for a strain relief.

Incidentally, I did the work on the truck outside, in the hot sun,
because it is even hotter in my shop, where I constructed the circuit.
I live in California, too...

> How are the gauges performing, and is there any heat generated by the new
> unit?

The temperature and oil gauges read about 3/4 scale until I start
climbing or pulling and then it's nice to actually tell what the
temperature gauge is actually doing. The fuel gauge is still wrong, but
at least it doesn't go up any more even when no fuel has been added. My
truck is a diesel so it has a sound deadening kick panel that has to be
removed to get at the dash from below, so I really am too lazy to tell
how hot it is.

A few more notes, the orignial IVR is connected by some little things
that look like 9v battery connectors, so you might consider using
those. I didn't discover this until I had destroyed them so I just
soldered to the bare copper where they had been. Also, I would have
liked to mount the regulator box somewhere else, right now it is by the
steering column and if anybody tries to take out the dash without
freeing it first they are going to rip some wires out of something.

As I mentioned earlier, the fuel gauge still lies. Is there a known
problem with the senders, possibly?

Birken
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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 18:33:59 -0700
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Rade's fourth of July soapbox



As we come upon the fourth of July here it is important for us to remember
just what the holiday means to us as Americans, and while fireworks are an
important part of the traditional fourth of July celebration, I have a great
deal of difficulty buying them when you consider where most of them come
from. As you all probably know, most of the fireworks you can buy are made
in China, a country that has (probably) stolen our nuclear missile
technology, and now has nuclear missiles pointing at the US. In China all
businesses are ultimately owned by the government, so when you buy Chinese
fireworks (or anything else made in China) you are giving money to a nation
that is aiming nuclear missiles at us. I would ask everyone of you to think
about that before you go out and buy your fireworks. I have personally
pledged to not buy a single thing made in China, and truth be told I like
shooting guns off in the back yard on the fourth alot more than fireworks
anyway. I hope I don't sound like I am preaching, but I think it is
something worth considering. Thanks

Rade Spasojevic -- rspasoje gte.net
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Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 18:46:40 PDT
From: Scottie Schmidt
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 4x4 questions

Hi,
What exactly is a Locking Rear Differential? On a F-350 dually 4x4, are
all 6 wheels powered? Or just the back 4? Does a 4x4 mean both axles are
powered? Seem to be mislead by the terms here.

Thanks,
Scottie Schmidt JR.



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Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 18:48:38 PDT
From: Scottie Schmidt
Subject: FTE 80-96 - engine size

Hi
was wondering what the standard engine sizes are on the different trucks?
Ranger, F-100, F-150, F-250, F-350, F-450.
Thanks,
Scottie Schmidt JR.



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Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 18:50:54 PDT
From: Scottie Schmidt
Subject: FTE 80-96 - capacity

Hi,
Would just like to get this right. If somebody who is sure, could please
tell me which is which. 1/4 ton etc...
Ranger
F100
F150
F250
F350
F450
F600
Thanks,
Scottie Schmidt JR.



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Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 18:54:11 PDT
From: Scottie Schmidt
Subject: FTE 80-96 - landscape truck

Hi
Was wondering what the bed dimensions are for a F-350 stake bed, and a
F-250 utility bed?
Also was wondering if their is a tractor discussion list? Kind of like
this but for tractors, or maybe a farm one. Sorry to bring this up, but
need to know and figured someone on this list might know.
Thanks,
Scottie Schmidt JR.



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Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 19:00:31 PDT
From: barry mitchell
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Rade's fourth of July soapbox

To qoute Hank JR. " If the south would have won we'd of had it made!"


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Subject: FTE 80-96 - Rade's fourth of July soapbox
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 18:33:59 -0700



As we come upon the fourth of July here it is important for us to remember
just what the holiday means to us as Americans, and while fireworks are an
important part of the traditional fourth of July celebration, I have a great
deal of difficulty buying them when you consider where most of them come
from. As you all probably know, most of the fireworks you can buy are made
in China, a country that has (probably) stolen our nuclear missile
technology, and now has nuclear missiles pointing at the US. In China all
businesses are ultimately owned by the government, so when you buy Chinese
fireworks (or anything else made in China) you are giving money to a nation
that is aiming nuclear missiles at us. I would ask everyone of you to think
about that before you go out and buy your fireworks. I have personally
pledged to not buy a single thing made in China, and truth be told I like
shooting guns off in the back yard on the fourth alot more than fireworks
anyway. I hope I don't sound like I am preaching, but I think it is
something worth considering. Thanks

Rade Spasojevic -- rspasoje gte.net
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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 22:16:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Woods
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Rade's fourth of July soapbox

On Thu, 1 Jul 1999, barry mitchell wrote:

>
> To qoute Hank JR. " If the south would have won we'd of had it made!"

And for those of you that don't speak redneck:
"If the South had won, we would have it made"


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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 22:46:15 EDT
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Rade's fourth of July soapbox

and if y'all really need to burn something this Fourth... there are still an
awful lot of Chevys out on the road........
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Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 21:00:07 -0700
From: redmist mb.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Do I have Posi??

FLR150 aol.com wrote:

> If you want a
> good unit, see if you can find a whole rear end out of a 92+ Explorer. They
> all had either a Limited Slip or Posi unit with 31 spline axles.

Why in the world would an Explorer have posi or limited slip standard
and the same year or better F-150's not have it? Seems to me the truck
is more made for off road than the explorer... Just doesn't make any
sense to me, but I'll certainly look for a rear end if that is the best
way to go. Do they have the same width rear end wheel to wheel? Is the
ABS and all that compatible? Do I really need to worry about all that
crap?

Thanks....Shel
'94 F-150 4X4 302 E40D


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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 22:22:41 -0500
From: "SPECTRE"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Rade's fourth of July soapbox

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From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 1999 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Rade's fourth of July soapbox


> and if y'all really need to burn something this Fourth... there are still
an
> awful lot of Chevys out on the road

And they blow up REAL good.

SPECTRE

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Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 22:24:07 -0500
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Rade's fourth of July soapbox

At 22:22 01/07/99 -0500, you wrote:
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From:
>To:
>Sent: Thursday, July 01, 1999 9:46 PM
>Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Rade's fourth of July soapbox
>
>
>> and if y'all really need to burn something this Fourth... there are still
>an
>> awful lot of Chevys out on the road
>
>And they blow up REAL good.
>
>SPECTRE

Especially the ones with the gas tanks on the outside of the frame rail!

Screech!!! BOOOOOOM!!!



Jim Cannon
Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD
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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 00:24:04 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - landscape truck

>Hi
> Was wondering what the bed dimensions are for a F-350 stake bed, and a
>F-250 utility bed?
> Also was wondering if their is a tractor discussion list? Kind of like
>this but for tractors, or maybe a farm one. Sorry to bring this up, but
>need to know and figured someone on this list might know.
>Thanks,
> Scottie Schmidt JR.
>

Hi Scottie,

I am also on an antique tractor list- a very good one. Got to
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.atis.net to sign up.

A stake bed can vary depending on who made it. Usually between 7 and 8 feet
wide and 8 to 10 feet long. We had a 12 feet stake bed dump truck on a
longer wheelbase 72 Ford. I just converted our 87 F-350 diesel from a
standard dump bed (rusted out) to a flatbed dump. Used all the framing of
the other one, cut off the sheet metal and added on 2 feet to make it 10
feet long. Then wood floor, bulkhead, built in winch in the floor and tool
boxes. A very handy truck!


Blake
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Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 22:15:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: Casey Vandor
Subject: FTE 80-96 - new truck

This is only sort of Ford related...
I just wanted to hold the soapbox for a minute....


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