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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - 1993 FORD BRONCO WOES
FTE 80-96 - shocks
Re: FTE 80-96 - Very Intermittent horn
Re: FTE 80-96 - 1993 FORD BRONCO WOES
FTE 80-96 - Fuel Pump Problem?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Fuel Pump Problem?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Very Intermittent horn
FTE 80-96 -Cruise Control
Re: FTE 80-96 - shocks
Re: FTE 80-96 - Very Intermittent horn
Re: FTE 80-96 - Fuel Pump Problem?
Re: FTE 80-96 - IH Diesel Use in Other Brands
Re: FTE 80-96 - tire pressure
FTE 80-96 - Dana 44HD or Dana 50
FTE 80-96 - 1990 F-150 fuel tank prob
Re: FTE 80-96 - Brakes get "grabby" when wet
FTE 80-96 - Preliminary Success in IVR Replacement
Re: FTE 80-96 - Mileage
RE: FTE 80-96 - Mileage
Re: FTE 80-96 - IH Diesel Use in Other Brands
FTE 80-96 - 87
FTE 80-96 - The 33 inchers fit!!!
Re: FTE 80-96 - Mileage
Re: FTE 80-96 - Which year/drivetrain would be best?
Re: FTE 80-96 - 87
Re: FTE 80-96 - The 33 inchers fit!!!

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 05:35:08 EDT
From: OnDuty365 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 1993 FORD BRONCO WOES

I am resending this post, mostly because any responses prior were deleted by
me by mistake......

I have a 1993 Ford Bronco with a 302 and one of those $#^% E4OD
transmissions! What I want to do is take out the fuel injection, put in a
351, and put a C-6 tranny in it. I'm tired of this Bronco breaking down and
having to replace transmissions. The second gear keeps going out! Anyone have
any suggestions or ever did a project like this, anything I should be aware
of? Please let me know I need help!
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 08:34:13 -0400
From: "Alger, Timothy, CTR, AFSAA/SAT"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - shocks

I am getting ready to replace the shocks on my 86 F150 4X4. Is there any
particular brand someone would recommend or not recommend?

thanks
Tim Alger
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:13:09 -0500
From: Steve Randa
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Very Intermittent horn

Speaking of the horn...Did Ford have different versions like a dual
variety. If you couldn't see my truck when I applied the horn, you'd
swear it was originating from a Pinto. I hate to even use it. Sounds
like a damn toy.

Steve Randa
'84 F150

Matthew Banevich wrote:
>
> Can you hear the relay clicking.....
>
> Maybe you have to adjust the tune of the HORNS themselves, or even
> replace the horns, maybe they only want to work at a specific temp....
> or other condition try using a test light to see if they are getting
> power
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 11:35:45 EDT
From: A4T1RAT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 1993 FORD BRONCO WOES

I have done a few of these and it is not to hard just costly and time
consuming. you will havt to get the adpter fot the t-cas and the new output
shaft fot the trans . new driveshafts the correct length. you will have some
rewireing to do. the fuel pump in the tank will have to go infavor of a lower
pressure one elect or mach.
Why is your E4OD going out all the time?? are you having a good shop
rebuild it ? you might give Art Carr a call they can handle the task. I have
a E4OD in my 91 F-350 4x4 ( the red supercab dually in the pic section) it
has a blower and many other mods to the engine, puttin out about 500 hp I
have 38" tires on it and tow a 30' car trailer with it and have not had a
prob.
with it . We did a major rebuild and improvements to it. It runs great smokes
the tires if I want and chirps 2nd most of the time....just a thought
Rat
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 14:47:45 -0500 (CDT)
From: Kourtney Ray de Haas
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Fuel Pump Problem?

Greetings, all:

I have a 1990 F150 regular cab LB I6 with dual tanks. I'm looking to see
if anyone has some experience or advice dealing with a problem I'm having
with the fuel system:

when driving from the rear fuel tank, everything runs fine. However, when
I switch to the front fuel tank, the truck surges in the lower gears
(like it has a bad clutch), has a rough idle and seems to drain the fuel
tank at double the rate of the rear--but closer inspection shows that the
fuel returned to the tank from the throttle body is going to the REAR tank
instead of returning to the front tank! Imagine my surprise when, on a
recent long-distance trip, I ran the rear tank to empty, switched to the
front tank, ran it to empty, and then switched back to the rear tank only
to find it full again. I've had the truck tuned up and all that, and it
runs fine on the rear tank, so that rules out any engine or throttle body
problems. The fuel lines *seem* to be connected correctly (I don't think
they've ever been disconnected), so I'm wondering if I'm due for a new
fuel pump in the front tank, or if there's some sort of pressure regulator
I should look at, or if anyone thinks an occlusion in the fuel line (or
fuel pump) could cause the poor truck performance and improper fuel return
feed. I'd get the service manual but Helm Inc. doesn't seem to ever have
it in stock, and I don't want to just take it to a mechanic and say, "here
it is, figure it out," for want of saving on labor costs.

I await your advice,

Kourt

PS: To the folks on this list who have been discussing spam, it has been
my experience that the amount of spam you receive is usually proportional
to the amount of posting you do on USENET newsgroups (like
rec.autos.tech). The less you post (and thus the less you expose your
email address on the internet), the less likely it is a computer will find
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 16:08:21 -0400
From: Mike Sloane
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Fuel Pump Problem?

It sounds like a defective selector valve. This is one of the most common
problem items to come on this list, and I am sure that a search of the
archives will pull up many references to the problem and its solution - mainly
it means replacing the valve.

Mike

Kourtney Ray de Haas wrote:

> Greetings, all:
>
> I have a 1990 F150 regular cab LB I6 with dual tanks. I'm looking to see
> if anyone has some experience or advice dealing with a problem I'm having
> with the fuel system:
>
> when driving from the rear fuel tank, everything runs fine. However, when
> I switch to the front fuel tank, the truck surges in the lower gears
> (like it has a bad clutch), has a rough idle and seems to drain the fuel
> tank at double the rate of the rear--but closer inspection shows that the
> fuel returned to the tank from the throttle body is going to the REAR tank
> instead of returning to the front tank! Imagine my surprise when, on a
> recent long-distance trip, I ran the rear tank to empty, switched to the
> front tank, ran it to empty, and then switched back to the rear tank only
> to find it full again. I've had the truck tuned up and all that, and it
> runs fine on the rear tank, so that rules out any engine or throttle body
> problems. The fuel lines *seem* to be connected correctly (I don't think
> they've ever been disconnected), so I'm wondering if I'm due for a new
> fuel pump in the front tank, or if there's some sort of pressure regulator
> I should look at, or if anyone thinks an occlusion in the fuel line (or
> fuel pump) could cause the poor truck performance and improper fuel return
> feed. I'd get the service manual but Helm Inc. doesn't seem to ever have
> it in stock, and I don't want to just take it to a mechanic and say, "here
> it is, figure it out," for want of saving on labor costs.
>
> I await your advice,
>
> Kourt
>
> PS: To the folks on this list who have been discussing spam, it has been
> my experience that the amount of spam you receive is usually proportional
> to the amount of posting you do on USENET newsgroups (like
> rec.autos.tech). The less you post (and thus the less you expose your
> email address on the internet), the less likely it is a computer will find
> your address on the internet and send you spam. Your options are to 1)
> not post on usenet groups or 2) modify your email address in all
> preferences files and signature files so that only someone who carefully
> edits it can send you email (an example is the common "NOSPAM" insertion,
> so that my email address would appear as "kourt NOSPAMuts.cc.utexas.edu).
> Think of the snail mail analogy: the more mailing lists you are on, the
> more junk mail the postman is going to stuff in your mailbox at home, and
> it self perpetuates, since companies buy and sell mailing lists all the
> time without regard to the recipients' wishes.
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 17:58:03 EDT
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Very Intermittent horn

have you checked the connections for crud in them.. that happened to me where
the harness connects to the horn and where the wires at the bottom of the
column connect to the main harness
Bob
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 15:06:27 -0700
From: Eric Sneed
Subject: FTE 80-96 -Cruise Control

Hello Group,
Does anyone know if the cruise control curcuit in a 89 F150 runs
throught the R A B S valve?

thanks in advance
ES
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 18:08:31 EDT
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - shocks

I dont know what you use your truck for or the type of roads where you live
BUT i live in NYC which has roads with more craters than the moon, and i use
my truck to drag all kinds of forklift parts and small machines with ( and
all the stuff i use to refurbish my house ) so in other words i kick the heck
out of my truck.. I swear by Gabriel Shocks.. I have a set in my F250 that
has almost 30 K on them and they still are good. I have them installed in a
old Caravan that my buddy bought from me like three years ago .. those shocks
( and struts are over five years old and are still also in great shape.. he
beats on that truck too) So for whatever its worth I wouldnt use anything BUT
Gabriels
Bob
ROlson1039 aol.com
1989 F250 2WD
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 18:14:50 EDT
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Very Intermittent horn

I have two factory looking horns that appear to be original equipment.. if
one is broken it will cause a "pinto type" sound.... but ya know theres
nothing like the sound of a real truck air horn system ... especially when
one of those pintos are doin about 20mph in the left lane right in front of
you!!!!!!
Bob
89 F250 2WD ( with LOUD horns)
ROlson1039 aol.com
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 18:24:55 EDT
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Fuel Pump Problem?

it is the fuel selector valve located on the left side frame of the truck
behind the fuel filter.. its real easy to change and it solved the smae
problem i had.. under seperate email i will send you that posting i had from
months ago..
Bob
89 F 250 2WD
ROlson1039 aol.com
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 18:36:43 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - IH Diesel Use in Other Brands

>Since Navistar is now using the T444E in many medium trucks, it got me
>wondering if they had used any of the old V8s such as the 7.3 or 6.9
>which would have been referred to as the B175. I wonder if they had an
>exclusive marketing agreement with Ford or if this somehow came about
>after they sold Harvester to Case, or if they maybe just didn't think
>the non-turbo had enough power. Also, does anyone know how the current
>444 stacks up to the DT466? It seems that the power and torque specs
>are identical.
>

They put the 6.9 in Ford trucks before IH sold out to Case. I believe that
IH used these engines in their own trucks too, though not absolutely
certain.

Are you sure the 444 is a V8? I am not sure. I know they make a nice big
turbo charged 6 cylinder for their medium trucks.


Blake
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Concord, Ohio
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 18:40:06 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - tire pressure

At 11:31 PM -0500 6/28/99, Mobilepdr aol.com wrote:
> I posted a letter a few weeks ago but i don't recall seeing any
>replys so i figure i'd try my lil question again...About tire pressure...One.
>The max posted on the side wall is that just for saftey or do they want you
>to to keep your psi in that area or at that specific pressure...Two. when
>towing i've heard people say to raise the psi 4lbs above the max is this true
>or even safe...Three if i lower my pressure to say 28-30 with the max of the
>tire being 35 will i have any uneven wear, i like to lower the psi to keep
>the ride nice and comfortable with people in the truck or when driving in the
>city..Also how about keeping tire pressure maxed out when doing a lot of
>highway driving would this show a noticeable increase in mpg..Or will this
>result in uneven wear.....ding

The stated pressure is generally the maximum allowable pressure and where
the tire is rated to haul the stated load. You can run less pressure if you
wish when running with less load- this generally gives you a better ride.
Generally the bigger the tires the less pressure you need to run. I have
run 20 psi in 35x12.5-15's before on a Bronco with no problem.


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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 16:38:27 -0700
From: "Josh"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Dana 44HD or Dana 50

I have a 90 F-250 regular cab 4x with 7,5L.
Is there a way to tell the difference



Josh
berelson gte.net
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 17:39:10 -0700
From: "Mike Salomone"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 1990 F-150 fuel tank prob

Yhis is the information I've recently found on
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/problems/recalls/mmy.cfm

The search engine is quirky. Sometimes it
will give you the whole list and sometimes not.
There are a number of fuel system problems
listed.I've been told that a dealer is supposed
to do a search through Ford's database by your VIN
to see what recall problems have been repaired.
I'm going to find out soon,I got a letter from ford
to bring it in for the ignition switch.Quite a
surprise,
I bought it from the original owner and he got a recall
notice
from ford on the ignition sw.and he gave them my
address and they sent it on to me
These fuel system problems can be serious
and I would think that Ford would honor the recall...
even at this late date.

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Office of Defects Investigation
Recall Database

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Call the Auto Safety Hotline toll free at (888)
327-4236 to report safety defects or to obtain
information on cars, trucks, child seats, highway or
traffic safety.
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Report Date: June 29, 1999 07:28:30 PM

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NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number: 89V141000

Component: FUEL:FUEL TANK:AUXILLARY SELECTOR AND SWITCH
Manufacturer: FORD MOTOR COMPANY
Mfg. Campaign #: 89S70
Year: 1990
Make: FORD TRUCK
Model: F150
Manufactured From: JUL 1989 To: AUG 1989
Year of Recall: '89
Type of Report: Vehicle
Summary:
INCORRECTLY INSTALLED FUEL LINE CONNECTORS HAVE FUEL
SUPPLY AND RETURN LINES CROSSED.

FUEL COULD BE TRANSFERRED FROM ONE TANK TO THE
OTHER,POSSIBLY RESULTING IN FUEL OVERFLOW AND SPILLAGE,
IN PRESENCE OF AN IGNITIONSOURCE, A FIRE COULD OCCUR.

REPLACE FUEL LINE ASSEMBLY.

SYSTEM: FUEL LINE ASSEMBLY.


VEHICLE DESCRIPTION: LIGHT DUTY TRUCKS EQUIPPED WITH
DUAL FUEL TANKS.

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NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number: 93V125000

Component: FUEL:FUEL TANK ASSEMBLY
Manufacturer: FORD MOTOR COMPANY
Year: 1990
Make: FORD TRUCK
Model: F150
Manufactured From: To:
Year of Recall: '93
Type of Report: Vehicle
Summary:
A MALFUNCTIONING CHECK VALVE WITHIN THE FUEL PUMP
ASSEMBLY CAUSES A PORTION OF THE UNUSED FUEL FROM ONE
TANK TO BE RETURNED TO THE SECOND TANK. WHEN THIS
OCCURS, THE CAPACITY OF THE SECOND TANK CAN BE
EXCEEDED, CAUSING FUEL SPILLAGE.

SPILLED FUEL CAN RESULT IN A FIRE WHEN EXPOSED TO
ASOURCE OF IGNITION.

REPLACEMENT OF THE FUEL PRESSURE REGULATOR AND
INSTALLATION OF REDUNDANT CHECK VALVES.

SYSTEM: FUEL; FUEL TANK ASSEMBLY.


VEHICLE DESCRIPTION: LIGHT TRUCKS AND CHASSIS CABS WITH
GASOLINE ENGINES ANDDUAL FUEL TANKS.

NOTE: IF YOUR VEHICLE IS PRESENTED TO AN AUTHORIZED
DEALER ON AN AGREED SERVICEDATE AND THE REMEDY IS NOT
CORRECTED WITHIN A REASONABLE TIME WITHOUT CHARGEOR THE
REMEDY DOES NOT CORRECT THE SAFETY-RELATED DEFECT OR
NONCOMPLIANCE,PLEASE CONTACT FORD'S CUSTOMER ASSISTANCE
CENTER, 300 RENAISSANCE CENTER,P.O. BOX 43360, DETROIT,
MI 48243. ALSO CONTACT THE NATIONAL HIGHWAY
TRAFFICSAFETY ADMINISTRATION'S AUTO SAFETY HOTLINE AT
1-800-424-9393.

Happpy Trails
Mike Salomone aka mickeys sedona.net



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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 20:39:51 -0400
From: "Troy"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Brakes get "grabby" when wet

On 24 Jun 99, at 12:14, James wrote:

>I've had my new (old) 1989 F150 for about 5 weeks and we're still
>getting used to each other. Today is the first time I've driven the
>truck in the rain and the brakes are extremely "grabby". Is this a
>sign that the shoes/pads are due for replacement or is this just a
>quirk for my model?

I have noticed with my '84 F-150 that the brakes do get a little more
touchy if it has been raining for a while. When I was leaving work
the other day after a pretty hard rain, I pulled to the end of the
parking lot and pressed the brakes like I normally do and the
brakes worked fine for a second then grabbed as if it was driven
through a puddle.

I don't think it is a quirk with your model. I think it is just the
moisture making them grab.

You might be a redneck if... You develop a 1 to 10 warning system
for your gas attacks. - Jeff Foxworthy


Troy Williams
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 18:35:07 -0700
From: Vogt Family
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Preliminary Success in IVR Replacement

To all it may concern, today I built and installed a new electronic IVR
(instrument voltage regulator) to replace my malfunctioning mechanical
one on my '86 F-250. I used a schematic and parts list that Mike Sloane
gave me. I bought all the parts from Digikey (www.digikey.com) except
two of the capacitors that had been discontinued, which I scrounged from
some old Commodore 64 boards I keep around for that purpose. The
discontinued part number was P1353-ND, a quick search at Digikey
revealed many, many others that would be suitable. 100 uF is the
value. This circuit uses a switching type regulator that is designed as
a replacement for the 7805. I assume it uses these capacitors, as well
as some zener diodes and a resistor, to control voltage spikes and
present a minimum load to the regulator. I'm not sure if any of this is
necessary as the gauges are always there and probably aren't too
suceptible to voltage spikes. I used a small plastic case and no
circuit board, just soldered the parts across a couple of bus wires I
put in with hot glue. When done, there are three wires, voltage in, out
and a ground, that I soldered to their original locations on the
"flexible circuit board" that is behind the instruments. It checked out
at a steady five volts and appears to be working OK. Total cost was
about $30. Feel free to ask if you have any questions.

Birken
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 21:41:26 -0400
From: "Troy"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Mileage

On 23 Jun 99, at 20:24, Radoje Spasojevic wrote:

>I picked up 1-2 MPG just from the Filtercharger, plus another 1 MPG from the
>mass-air conversion (but the mass-air conversion is too expensive to buy
>just for the mileage). Losing the tailgate will definitely help some, but
>trucks just aren't going to get very good mileage no matter what.

Whatever you do, do not remove the tailgate entirely. Just let it
down. This way, if you end up having to haul a load, you just insert
the load and then can put the gate up and get on down the road.

Then not to mention that you don't have to worry about your bed
separating at the bottom.

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mower. - Jeff Foxworthy


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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 21:42:56 -0400
From: "Troy"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Mileage

On 24 Jun 99, at 9:06, Ratcliff, Dale wrote:

>CONSUMER REPORTS did a test of gas mileage with the tailgate up or down and
>found there was no significant difference. The biggest problem with leaving
>the gate down is the tailgate will rust out sooner. The moisture trapped in
>the tailgate has nowhere to drain. If you run with the tailgate down, be
>sure to put it up after a rain or heavy dew.

Another thing to remember. Driving on the busy roads if there is a
risk of someone hitting your back end, it's better to leave the
tailgate up. At least with the gate up, they'll be hitting the bumper
first instead of the tailgate, causing major damage to the bed and
tailgate when the bumper might have stopped it.

You might be a redneck if... You show strangers your war wound.
- Jeff Foxworthy


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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 22:30:25 EDT
From: PSales264 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - IH Diesel Use in Other Brands

IH used both the 6.9 and 7.3 in school buses and medium trucks for lots of
years. I do think that FORD modified them somewhat when using the 7.3
especially the power-stroke. the IH 444 is basically the 7.3 with electronic
fuel control, as I am told by an IH mechanic. The 466 is an inline 6. PHIL
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 22:53:31 -0400
From: Judi Durant
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 87

I'm interested in customizing a 1987 F150, extended cab, 2wdrive, Ford
truck. Anyone have any ideas on the best way to do this, parts, best
companies to deal with, etc?

Thanks for info,
Paul Durant
cowboy85 ix.netcom.com

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 21:26:10 -0700
From: redmist mb.sympatico.ca
Subject: FTE 80-96 - The 33 inchers fit!!!

I had a garage install a 33x9.50R15 on my truck today to see if it would
fit. IT DOES!!! No rubbing, with lots of room left on hard turns to
fit BFG's new 33X10.5!! I am so excited. They say the tires should be
in tomorrow or the next day. I ordered the new All Terrain T/A KOs.
They sure fill up the wheel wells and make that truck look more like a
man's truck than it did with those sissy tires!

YEE HAWWWWWWWWW!!!

Sheldon Charron,
Manitoba, Canada
1994 F150 XLT SC/SB 4X4, 302

P.S. Thanks for all the help guys. ~:O)

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:06:31 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Mileage

>On 23 Jun 99, at 20:24, Radoje Spasojevic wrote:
>
>>I picked up 1-2 MPG just from the Filtercharger, plus another 1 MPG from the
>>mass-air conversion (but the mass-air conversion is too expensive to buy
>>just for the mileage). Losing the tailgate will definitely help some, but
>>trucks just aren't going to get very good mileage no matter what.
>
>Whatever you do, do not remove the tailgate entirely. Just let it
>down. This way, if you end up having to haul a load, you just insert
>the load and then can put the gate up and get on down the road.
>

Most of us take the tailgates off completely when snow plowing and put a
couple of 2x4s along the back to hold sandbags, chains, and whatever tools
we need. This way we get much better vision for tight backing.

As far as the Consumer Reports opinion -- there is no credibility
whatsoever with them. Just look what they did with the Jeep CJ's.

Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
Early Oil Well Historian
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:29:47 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Which year/drivetrain would be best?

>Thanks for all the responses to my previous post "Buy a '85 F150 or '78".
>Turns out that the '78 is actually a '67 I6 300 3 speed.
>
>I think I'll pass on the '85. I'd love to have the '67, but I don't know
>what I would be getting into trying to get it into decent shape. The
>engine has a LOUD knock, so it needs to come out (it would be nice to put a
>V8 back in it's place!) and you have to hold the gear shift in position to
>keep the drivetrain engaged. The reason I'm considering this is because I
>can get it cheap and then work on it as I get a few bucks here and there.
>But, I have no idea what I'm getting into as far as finding parts and their
>expense, etc.. Anyone have experience doing this?
>

Those '67 and up into the early 70s Fords were terrible rust trucks. They
used some kind of jap steel that was not processed properly and some
fenders rusted through in a year. Ford replaced most of them for free. They
also had that horible spot-weld seem along the rear quarters just like the
Broncos. This seem fills with rust and expands and there is almost nothing
you can do about it.

The later 70s are better trucks with bodies that are heavier and (the
77-79s) do not rust as bad as the 80s trucks. The main thing with any of
them is to spray the bottoms with oil every fall when they are dry. Get it
into every seem and your doors.

Did you say you were in Cincinnati? If you get your truck E-checked, you
might want to get something over 25 years old or just plate it heavier so
you don't have to have the test. With the older trucks you can have a lot
more fun building high performance engines.


Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
Early Oil Well Historian
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:32:00 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 87

>I'm interested in customizing a 1987 F150, extended cab, 2wdrive, Ford
>truck. Anyone have any ideas on the best way to do this, parts, best
>companies to deal with, etc?
>
>Thanks for info,
>Paul Durant
>cowboy85 ix.netcom.com
>

What do you want to do with it Paul? What kind of customizing?


Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
Early Oil Well Historian
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:33:48 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - The 33 inchers fit!!!

>I had a garage install a 33x9.50R15 on my truck today to see if it would
>fit. IT DOES!!! No rubbing, with lots of room left on hard turns to....


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