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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - Ignition switch recall (was ARRGG!!! Its NOT the TFI module)
Re: FTE 80-96 - Buy a '85 F150 or '78
Re: FTE 80-96 - '81 F100 Dash Pad?
Re: [FTE 80-96 - I6 power problems continued...]
Re: FTE 80-96 - Need more power for 300
Re: FTE 80-96 - Ignition switch recall
FTE 80-96 - Re: FTE 80-96 GRABBY /STICKING BRAKES
FTE 80-96 - horsepower
FTE 80-96 - horsepower
Re: FTE 80-96 - horsepower
FTE 80-96 - Re: better milage out of 302
Re: FTE 80-96 - Mileage
RE: FTE 80-96 - IH C1200 Travelall(Sorry!)
Re: FTE 80-96 - computer problems
FTE 80-96 - Re: F-150 startup speed
FTE 80-96 - '86 F-150 Warning Buzzer
Re: FTE 80-96 - '86 F-150 Warning Buzzer
Re: FTE 80-96 - '86 F-150 Warning Buzzer
Re: FTE 80-96 - '90 F-150 startup speed
Re: FTE 80-96 - horsepower
Re: FTE 80-96 - Mileage
Re: FTE 80-96 - Mileage
Re: FTE 80-96 - horsepower
Re: FTE 80-96 - Mileage
Re: FTE 80-96 - '86 F-150 Warning Buzzer
Re: FTE 80-96 - horsepower
Re: FTE 80-96 - Mileage
Re: FTE 80-96 - Mileage

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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 09:45:35 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Ignition switch recall (was ARRGG!!! Its NOT the TFI module)

>Blake. Did you find out about the Switch recall? I have an 88 Diesel and want
>to see if my switch should be replaced.
>Dick in Alaska

Not yet. I think my dad may have had the switch in his 89 Diesel replaced
with the recall.


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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 09:49:03 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Buy a '85 F150 or '78

>I'd be suspicious of a 78 3-speed. I didn't think they were available in 78.
>The engine and trans. might be from a Van or car, and is a 240 in six. The
>300 six was good, but look out for the cracked exhaust manifold, down by the
>header pipe. I put 240,000 on my 78 F150 4X4 with a 300 six. I had some small

The 3-speed was the standard base transmission. It would be column shift
and pretty high geared in first. If you go with a 78, the 4 speed would
most likely be a NP 435 with a nice granny low, but no overdrive. They
shift like a truck should shift.


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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 12:22:03 EDT
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - '81 F100 Dash Pad?

if you go to WWW. Shadtreemechanic.com they had a episode recently that dealt
with replacing the dash pad and a replacement unit.. i know they have the
logs of previous shows and they can give you more info on that..
Bob
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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 12:54:10 EDT
From: SpyderLv81 aol.com
Subject: Re: [FTE 80-96 - I6 power problems continued...]

Here is my 2 cents. If it is carbon build up don't tear the head off yet.
Poor some ATF down the carb while someone has the truck running at about
2000rpms this will break up the carbon in the engine. It will smoke real bad
but it works.


Spyder2
84' F-150 w/the BIG SIX
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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 12:59:33 EDT
From: SpyderLv81 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Need more power for 300

It's me again. I have $650 worth of performance stuff from Clifford sitting
in my garage. The cam and lifters was like $200, the intake was about $200
and the headers were like $250. They look real nice in the boxes. I will
get around to finishing that engine soon I hope. It's just cleaning of 15
years of oil leaks and grime from the engine and engine compartment takes a
long time.

Spyder2
'84 F-150 w/the dirty 6
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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 13:07:33 -0400
From: Darrell and Evelyn Fann
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Ignition switch recall

For those who are interested:

Here's the info I fouind on the National Highway Traffic Safety Board (
www.nhtsa.dot.gov ) site:

Mfg Campaign #: 95S28 Year: 1990 Model: F150 Manufacture From: Aug 1987
to Sep 1992 Year of Recall: 1996

Summary: The ignition switch could experience an internal short circuit.
Ths condition could cause overheating, smoke, and possiblt fire inthe
steering column area of the vehicle. Dealers will replace the ignition
switch.

NHTSB has a search for recalls and Service Bulletins for most
years/makes/models.

Hope this helps,
DF
90 F150 XLT 4X4
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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 12:32:05 -0700
From: "Mike Salomone"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: FTE 80-96 GRABBY /STICKING BRAKES

Here's some info I got by
wading through the TSB's
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/problems/recalls/recmmy5.
cfm


Service Bulletin Number: 91-12-14
Bulletin Sequence Number: 048
Date of Bulletin: 9206
NHTSA Item Number: SB031579
Make: FORD TRUCK
Model: F150
Year: 1990
Component: BRAKES:HYDRAULIC:DISC:CALIPER
Summary: BRAKES-STICK/BIND/GRAB-FRONT CALIPER PINS
CORRODED DG


Service Bulletin Number: 90-14-10
Bulletin Sequence Number: 018
Date of Bulletin: 9006
NHTSA Item Number: SB014888
Make: FORD TRUCK
Model: F150
Year: 1990
Component: BRAKES:HYDRAULIC:DISC:CALIPER
Summary: LUBRICATION OF BRAKE CALIPER TO SPINDLE(TOP
AND BOTTOM "V" GROOVE, ABUTMENT SURF ACES AND KNUCKLE
SHOE RAILS) SHOULD NOT BE NECESSARY EXCEPT AS NOTED IN
THE MAIN TENANCE SCHEDULE-LUBRICATION SHOULD MINIMIZE
STICKING/BINDING/GRABBING AND PREMA TURE BRAKE PAD WEAR
COMPLAINTS-IT SHOULD ALSO CONTRIBUTE TO ELIMINATION OF
DRIFT WHILE BRAKING AND STEADY STATE DRIFT
COMPLAINTS-ALL 1990 FORD AEROSTAR/BRONCO/EC ONOLINE/F
SUPER DUTY/F150/F250/F350/RANGER AND 1991 EXPLORERS PYM

Hope this helps.
For the Loss/Lack of power problems there are a number
of TSB's addressing that.
Another for the Cruise control prob.

BFN/CUL

Happpy Trails
Mike Salomone aka mickeys sedona.net
90 F-150 2WD Long Bed 5.0 EFI

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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 15:33:55 EDT
From: DENKC5 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - horsepower

I own both a 79' F150 351M and a 95' F250 351 Windsor. I know their are
differences in blocks and gearing, both transmission and rear. I'm sure
fuelly vs carberation make a big difference. The one thing I don't know is
the net horsepower of each engine? Can anybody help?
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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 17:54:47 EDT
From: DENKC5 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - horsepower

I own both a 79' F150, 351M and a 95' F250 351 Windsor. I'm aware that they
have a bunch of differences. Blocks, gearing, both in tranny and rear make a
difference. Fuelly vs carb makes a difference too. What I don't know is the
net horsepower for each engine. Can someone help?

DJ
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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 19:39:05 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - horsepower

>I own both a 79' F150 351M and a 95' F250 351 Windsor. I know their are
>differences in blocks and gearing, both transmission and rear. I'm sure
>fuelly vs carberation make a big difference. The one thing I don't know is
>the net horsepower of each engine? Can anybody help?
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Which do you like better? Which seems to have the most power? The Windsor
is probably a lot lighter than the M engine. I am not a fan of 351M's, but
they can easily be made into 400's and they are not bad. I would take a 390
over one any day though.


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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 19:42:03 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: better milage out of 302

>I am trying to figure out how to get better mpg out of my 93 302. I
>know that a Filtercharger helps, but what else? What kind of headers
>are best. I/ve heard that droppin the tailgate helps too. Might try
>that
>

What milage do you get now? What kind of truck is it?

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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 19:43:02 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Mileage

>I picked up 1-2 MPG just from the Filtercharger, plus another 1 MPG from the
>mass-air conversion (but the mass-air conversion is too expensive to buy
>just for the mileage). Losing the tailgate will definitely help some, but
>trucks just aren't going to get very good mileage no matter what.
>

\Rade,

How much does the mass-air conversion cost? What all is needed to convert?


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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 19:45:52 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - IH C1200 Travelall(Sorry!)

>Sorry to break in on another item but you guys seems to know a lot of
>everything so lets give this one a try:
>We have another project here to restore a IH C1200 1964 Travelall and we
>do have problems finding rear panels to this model. Do you happen to
>know anything on how to find these parts(and other parts too!). We
>prefer to have a pair of new ones if possible. Any piece of advice would
>be much appritiated.
>
>Regards,
>Gunnar Olsson
>Sweden
>F250 DSL -91
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Pick up the latest issue of 4 Wheel and Off Road. They have a segment in
there on Scouts and other IHC cousins. They list several sources of parts.


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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 19:48:50 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - computer problems

>I have a 1984 F-150 4x4
>351W
>with Holley carb
>and edelbrock intake and crane fireball racing coil
>I just learned the other day that I have a computer controlling
>my TCV-IV distributor I have that spout that I disconnect to set base
>timing.
>is there any way that i can put an older distributor with regualr vacuum
>advance and take out my computer
>it looks like that all it is controlling is just the distributor am I right
>i hate computers in my cars and like to get it back to the very simplest
>ways.it had a feedback carburator that had all the plugs plugged in on it
>and they are all unplugged all the emissions is taken off, no air
>conditioning, and manual tranny.
>thanks for the help
>

Why not just get a magneto and a hand crank? Then you won't need a battery
at all!

Seriously, I would just get a distributor and control modulator out of a
late 70's (77 or later) 351W. I think those are called Duraspark and are
very reliable. You could go back to points, but they are not so hot.

Blake
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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 20:42:57 -0500
From: "DannyF"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: F-150 startup speed

Date sent: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:46:12 -0400
To: danf01 worldnet.att.net
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Ford Truck Enthusiasts post

The Ford Truck Enthusiasts list server rejected your post because you
did not include a topic in your post.

Please include a subject instead of leaving the digest number in
the topic.
>
>Thanks for keeping me posted David.
>
>Wish I could try the fixes myself but after posting about this minor
>problem a bigger one developed...lost oil pressure towing a boat 90
>mi. from home. 75K orig. miles and the 300 has a rod knocking
>after 2 min of me noticing the noise, then the gauge then turning it
>off immediately!
>
>After pulling the pan, found a nice coating 1/16 - 1/32" of
>"coke"(e.g., worn out, carbonized oil) covering the entire screen in
>the oil pickup. No way that engine got that way w/me but even oil
>changes by me at every 3-4K is going to dissolve that crud. Bottom
>area of the pan had the coating too.
>
>Classic case of inheriting a truck whose 1 previous owner changed
>the oil every 20K or so. Looks like its rebuild time...at 75K mi.
>What a waste...
>
>> Mark,
>> I'm following you now. We're talking about the MAP sensor.
>> Danny,
>> When I get time I'm going to try cleaning that Idle Air Control valve and if
>> that doesn't do it try a new MAP sensor. I'll keep you posted.
>> David Anderson
>>
>>
>> >>>The sensor is definitely a vacuum/air presure sensor but it could be that
>> you don't have one on your model year (I don't know exactly what all the
>> differences are between MassAirFlow and what ever the other one is). I've
>> an '88 F150 302. The sensor is a small black box mounted on the firewall
>> just around the heater fan. Its wired into the electical harness and also
>> has a vacuum line going to it. ......
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>
>Danny
>danf01 worldnet.att.net

Danny
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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 22:18:43 EDT
From: CphgnCwby1 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - '86 F-150 Warning Buzzer

Can anyone tell me where exactly the warning buzzer is located on my truck

'86 F-150 Regular cab

THANX
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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 21:24:21 -0500
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - '86 F-150 Warning Buzzer

I assume you mean the seatbelt reminder buzzer. If not, do not read any
further...

On my '80 it is up above the glove box under the dash. I doubt they moved
it very far between 1980 and 1986 (but you never know!). Easy to get to
with golve box removed (which I had out for something, I forget what) and a
little hard by just reaching up from underneath.

At 22:18 26/06/99 EDT, you wrote:
>Can anyone tell me where exactly the warning buzzer is located on my truck
>
>'86 F-150 Regular cab
>

Jim Cannon
Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD
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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 22:54:48 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - '86 F-150 Warning Buzzer

>I assume you mean the seatbelt reminder buzzer. If not, do not read any
>further...
>
>On my '80 it is up above the glove box under the dash. I doubt they moved
>it very far between 1980 and 1986 (but you never know!). Easy to get to
>with golve box removed (which I had out for something, I forget what) and a
>little hard by just reaching up from underneath.
>

Does just yanking the connector off do the trick? Or will it mess up
something else? Do the wires have to be selectively cut?

Thanks.

Blake
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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 22:55:36 -0400
From: "Troy"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - '90 F-150 startup speed

On 22 Jun 99, at 11:33, DannyF wrote:

>Got a question about the startup speedwhen its cold it will rev up and
>go down to a smooth idle. Its done that since it was new, is it
>supposed to? It never has gave me any problems before, and it never
>does that when its warm
>
>Completely normal based on 6 Ford truck owners and 2 Ford techs

It's called a fast idle. You can normally stop it yourself by pressing
the accelerator, or just letting it work itself down normally. Down
here in Florida, I see no reason to let my '84 do that for more than
20 seconds or so.

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than birds. - Jeff Foxworthy


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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 22:57:54 EDT
From: DENKC5 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - horsepower

My oldie, 351M is pretty quick, but the Windsor has tremendous power. I've
never totally dumped the pedal in all gears but I'm still getting used to it.
As far as the 390, had one in my 71' F100, awesome!
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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 23:16:45 EDT
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Mileage

Blake,
I, having been through this dilemma, can tell you a couple of things about
Massair conversions. It really depends on what year your truck is and what
transmission you have. FMS has conversion kits that run around $1000, but
they are only for the manual trans., AOD trans., and the E4OD, no such luck
from them on the AODE/4R70W. Another company called Interactive Technologies
here in GA, also makes the kits. They DO have a kit for the AODE style
tranny, which has 2 computers, 1 that controls the motor functions, the other
one controls the trans., fro around the same price. These kits include EECIV
computer, Massair meter, and harnesses. You can save yourself some cash by
finding a wrecked 92+ year Stang and grabbing the computer out of one, just
make sure that the trans. is compatible with yours. But on the other side of
the coin, there are Lightning owners running blowers and major horsepower
motor configurations on the stock Speed Density system, using chips and fuel
management units to compensate for the changes they have made. But for the
most trouble free way to make changes to your motor, go Massair.
Later,
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
"Hazardous Material" (Massair equipped 300 horsepower 5.0)
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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 00:34:10 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Mileage

>Blake,
>I, having been through this dilemma, can tell you a couple of things about
>Massair conversions. It really depends on what year your truck is and what
>transmission you have. FMS has conversion kits that run around $1000, but
>they are only for the manual trans., AOD trans., and the E4OD, no such luck
>from them on the AODE/4R70W. Another company called Interactive Technologies
>here in GA, also makes the kits. They DO have a kit for the AODE style
>tranny, which has 2 computers, 1 that controls the motor functions, the other
>one controls the trans., fro around the same price. These kits include EECIV
>computer, Massair meter, and harnesses. You can save yourself some cash by
>finding a wrecked 92+ year Stang and grabbing the computer out of one, just
>make sure that the trans. is compatible with yours. But on the other side of
>the coin, there are Lightning owners running blowers and major horsepower
>motor configurations on the stock Speed Density system, using chips and fuel
>management units to compensate for the changes they have made. But for the
>most trouble free way to make changes to your motor, go Massair.
>Later,

Thanks Wayne, that really helps. Mine has a 5 speed, so if I got one from a
manual tranny Mustang- that should work? Do you then get the whole wiring
harness and you use the sequential injection too?

This is probably something I will never do anyway- at least not on this
truck. My hopes are next year to buy something with a Cummins in it.


Blake
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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 22:11:24 -0700
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - horsepower

AMEN to that, I would put a 390 in my '90 Bronco if I could get it to pass
emissions. If only someone made a EFI intake to fit an FE block......

Rade
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From: Blake Malkamaki
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Date: Saturday, June 26, 1999 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - horsepower


>>I own both a 79' F150 351M and a 95' F250 351 Windsor. I know their are
>>differences in blocks and gearing, both transmission and rear. I'm sure
>>fuelly vs carberation make a big difference. The one thing I don't know
is
>>the net horsepower of each engine? Can anybody help?
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>Which do you like better? Which seems to have the most power? The Windsor
>is probably a lot lighter than the M engine. I am not a fan of 351M's, but
>they can easily be made into 400's and they are not bad. I would take a 390
>over one any day though.
>
>
>Blake
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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 22:17:15 -0700
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Mileage

I got the SVO unit from my local dealership (it is an SVO-authorized
dealer), it ran me exactly the list price in the SVO catalog: $695.95. It
was not too difficult to install at all. You need to cut out part of the
air hoses from the filter box so the mass-air meter will fit in, replace the
computer, and install the new injector wiring so it will work is SEFI. The
only pain in the butt was the injector wiring, because you need to take off
the upper intake manifold to get at the passenger side. If you plan on
building up your engine it is a good place to start, though serious mods
will require a bigger mass-air meter, as the one that comes with the kit is
fairly restrictive. Another plus is the fact that the 302 mass air computer
will run a 351 if you decide to upgrade your motor in the future.

Rade
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From: Blake Malkamaki
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Saturday, June 26, 1999 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Mileage


>>I picked up 1-2 MPG just from the Filtercharger, plus another 1 MPG from
the
>>mass-air conversion (but the mass-air conversion is too expensive to buy
>>just for the mileage). Losing the tailgate will definitely help some, but
>>trucks just aren't going to get very good mileage no matter what.
>>
>
>\Rade,
>
>How much does the mass-air conversion cost? What all is needed to convert?
>
>
>Blake
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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 01:14:04 EDT
From: CphgnCwby1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - '86 F-150 Warning Buzzer

I just checked that, but it's not there, but thanx anyway

Bart
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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 01:18:47 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - horsepower

>AMEN to that, I would put a 390 in my '90 Bronco if I could get it to pass
>emissions. If only someone made a EFI intake to fit an FE block......

Well you could go with the Holley FI unit. Not sure about the emission
stuff- guess it depends where you live.

Blake
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Concord, Ohio
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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 01:22:13 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Mileage

>I got the SVO unit from my local dealership (it is an SVO-authorized
>dealer), it ran me exactly the list price in the SVO catalog: $695.95. It
>was not too difficult to install at all. You need to cut out part of the
>air hoses from the filter box so the mass-air meter will fit in, replace the
>computer, and install the new injector wiring so it will work is SEFI. The
>only pain in the butt was the injector wiring, because you need to take off
>the upper intake manifold to get at the passenger side. If you plan on
>building up your engine it is a good place to start, though serious mods
>will require a bigger mass-air meter, as the one that comes with the kit is
>fairly restrictive. Another plus is the fact that the 302 mass air computer
>will run a 351 if you decide to upgrade your motor in the future.
>

Do you get everything you need for the $695.95, including the computer?
That is not bad at all. Especially since I get 20% off at our Ford dealer.
Maybe not on this stuff though.

Did just that modification give you a lot more power?


Blake
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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 22:40:59 -0700
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Mileage

The price included the whole kit including the computer. The only thing I
need to buy was a stock air filter since I had a filtercharger before that
(the SVO kit is not compatible with the twin-tube Filtercharger). I notice
no real power gain from installing the kit, but since I plan on adding GT-40
heads, an Edelbrock intake package, etc. I figured this would be an easier
way to accomodate the mods instead of getting a custom chip burnt.

Rade
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From: Blake Malkamaki
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Saturday, June 26, 1999 10:23 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Mileage


>>I got the SVO unit from my local dealership (it is an SVO-authorized
>>dealer), it ran me exactly the list price in the SVO catalog: $695.95. It
>>was not too difficult to install at all. You need to cut out part of the
>>air hoses from the filter box so the mass-air meter will fit in, replace
the
>>computer, and install the new injector wiring so it will work is SEFI.
The
>>only pain in the butt was the injector wiring, because you need to take
off
>>the upper intake manifold to get at the passenger side. If you plan on....


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