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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - Re-send E-Mail
Re: [Re: [FTE 80-96 - I6 power problems continued...]]
Re: [Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: 85 or 78 F-150]
Re: FTE 80-96 - Dynamat (again) and road noise.
RE: FTE 80-96 - Dynamat (again) and road noise.
Re: FTE 80-96 - Need more power for 300
FTE 80-96 - computer problems
FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Extended Warrantees
Re: FTE 80-96 - Radius Arm Bushing Replacement
FTE 80-96 - Re: Cams for computer engines
FTE 80-96 - RE: Tailgate down...
FTE 80-96 - 300/I6 Pinging
FTE 80-96 - '81 F100 Dash Pad?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Cams for computer engines
Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: Tailgate down...
Re: FTE 80-96 - '81 F100 Dash Pad?
RE: FTE 80-96 - Dynamat (again) and road noise.
Re: [Re: [FTE 80-96 - Brakes get]
Re: FTE 80-96 - cruise control
Re: FTE 80-96 - ARRGG!!! Its NOT the TFI module
Re: FTE 80-96 - Ignition switch recall (was ARRGG!!! Its NOT the TFI module)
Re: FTE 80-96 - Buy a '85 F150 or '78
Re: FTE 80-96 - Need more power for 300
Re: FTE 80-96 - Need more power for 300

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 07:43:23 EDT
From: OnDuty365 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re-send E-Mail

Please re-send the latest list, I unfortunately deleted the last mail from
the list! Thanks
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Date: 25 Jun 99 09:29:44 CDT
From: Ford Man
Subject: Re: [Re: [FTE 80-96 - I6 power problems continued...]]

Good idea. Make sure your engine is tuned up and running right before you=

spend any money.

Jim Cannon wrote:
These are all fundamentally good ideas to chase on an engine that is
running properly, that you just want to add a little more OOOMPH! to. Fro=
m
the sound of the original post, I do not think the engine is running righ=
t
and I think throwing this stuff at it will fix it. It might make it worse=
=2E
I think he needs to sort out the problem, then start adding the "go faste=
r"
stuff. =





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Date: 25 Jun 99 09:41:36 CDT
From: Ford Man
Subject: Re: [Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: 85 or 78 F-150]

You mean HIGHER gears use less gas and run lower rpms and LOWER gears run=

higher rpms and burn more gas.

Lwskywalk aol.com wrote:
well hope your printer has ink and you purse is big. gear ratio is one t=
hing =

the lower the gear the less rpms you run at so the less gas you suck. =

pullies increased my mileage. headers(hookers), flowmasters, jet =

chip(superchip), k&n conical filter charger will increase mileage too, ms=
d =

ingnition boxes makes truck burn gas more efficiently, timing bump run 12=
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degrees and up if possible without the cling clang noise, with all that =

except the conical air filter and the chip i am gettin 500 miles to two t=
anks =

in my 94 f150 302 standard cab short bed. so go figure
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 10:54:24 EDT
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Dynamat (again) and road noise.

Dave,
Being in Dallas, there is one other thing you can try, take it somewhere and
have the car undercoated. Being in the South, also assuming that the car was
bought in Texas, the dealers/factory don't layer the undercoating as heavy as
they would up north, hence more road noise. Now on the Dynamat, basically all
I have ever done is of course layer it on the floor pans. But on vibrating
panels and doors, its a basically ride, listen, apply, ride, and listen
again. Its not a REALLY exact method, but 9 out of 10 times a good installer
can hit it just from experience. If you want to bring it to Atlanta, GA. I
can do it for you but it would take a weekend to make sure it is done right.
Later,
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
"Hazardous Material"
Wayne's Page
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 10:48:50 -0500
From: "Baldwin, Dave (CPCP Design)"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Dynamat (again) and road noise.

Thanks Wayne,

The problem car is in Oregon, and it IS undercoated, and they've even stuck
fiberglass (I'm assuming like thermal insulation type--not with resin--but
I'm not sure since I haven't seen it) in spots to try to alleviate the
problem. I'd have them drive it out to see you, but I don't think they
could stand that long of a drive. One of the things that I'm sure doesn't
help matters is that Oregon is one of the few states that still allows
studded tires. Then you have people who are running them in JULY! They
REALLY chew up the roads there--makes the road noise worse.

I'm not really that understanding, since I just tune out noises--too many
British cars. I told them to put some glasspacks on it, and then they
wouldn't notice! :^0

Thanks for your (and anyone else's) suggestions on this.

Dave Baldwin
Dallas, TX
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 13:40:15 EDT
From: DJ250r aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Need more power for 300

hey lets get real theres no such thing as good mileage for these engines lol
Dwayne Jackson
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 13:44:03 -0500
From: "Joel Thomas"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - computer problems

I have a 1984 F-150 4x4
351W
with Holley carb
and edelbrock intake and crane fireball racing coil
I just learned the other day that I have a computer controlling
my TCV-IV distributor I have that spout that I disconnect to set base
timing.
is there any way that i can put an older distributor with regualr vacuum
advance and take out my computer
it looks like that all it is controlling is just the distributor am I right
i hate computers in my cars and like to get it back to the very simplest
ways.it had a feedback carburator that had all the plugs plugged in on it
and they are all unplugged all the emissions is taken off, no air
conditioning, and manual tranny.
thanks for the help


Joel Thomas mailto:treefort prodigy.net
1984 F-150, 351W, 9", T-18,
Edelbrock intake,Holley 750 vac,
33" BFG MT's.
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 17:03:25 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Extended Warrantees

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 17:59:10 EDT
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Radius Arm Bushing Replacement

you know i have some old postings regarding this in my favorite places file
if youwould like to give me a good email address i can email them to you.. (
from when i tried this maneuver myself)
Bob
ROlson1039 aol.com
89 F 250 2WD
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 17:19:47 -0500
From: Ezekial
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Cams for computer engines

I put a Crane part# 363902 in my 351.
If you call this number they can tell you the best cam for your
specifications.
904-258-6174

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1993 Ford F-150 4x4 Off-Road, ext.cab short bed, 351(5.8)
3.55 gears, 31x10.5 Daytona Stag LT
1988 Ford F-150 2wd 302(5.0) auto, long bed-reg cab
Has been totaled and I am re-building it
Was my Grandpas truck, so theres sentimental value
It had the meanest factory 302 I have ever seen
1966 Mustang Fastback 289HP heads, 302block, Holley 4bbl,
EB intake, chrome headers-duals w/ super turbos,
4sp toploader, 9' rear 3.73 locked, Crager SS wheels
( F O R S A L E $7500 )
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 17:38:36 -0500
From: "Dave Harmier"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: Tailgate down...

I have never run a whole tank through my '92 with the tailgate up!!!
That's how much I swear by it!!! And another reason I know, is
that I have a bed mat over 3/4 plywood to protect my floor, and with
the gate up, that thing curls up under the tool box!!!

I can hear the keys clicking already to dispute what I've said....
Go for it!

Dave H.
Houston, TX

p.s. I still think I'm getting a LOT more spam since joining the list???
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 16:07:54 PDT
From: Michael G
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 300/I6 Pinging

Hi all,

This is my first post. I have a 91 F-150/300/5-SP with 37,000 miles on
it. I had the EGR valve replaced, at which time the engine started
'Pinging'. I returned the truck to the dealer, who replaced the EGR tube
(which had a hairline crack). The cracked tube made a sound just like
'pinging' ...if it had happened out of the blue, I'd have looked at my
fuel/timing etc.

Mike


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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 19:40:53 EDT
From: CarlO59017 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - '81 F100 Dash Pad?

Hi, All;

Does anyone know of a source for replacement dash pads for my '81 F100? I
don't want one of those plastic "skins" that you have to velcro or glue on.

Carl in Ft Worth
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 21:59:28 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Cams for computer engines

>I put a Crane part# 363902 in my 351.
>If you call this number they can tell you the best cam for your
>specifications.
>904-258-6174
>

Are you happy with it? What were the improvements?


Blake
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Concord, Ohio
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 21:33:34 -0500
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: Tailgate down...

Dave-
My observations are the same as yours. If the MPG are not better with the
tailgate down, the handling sure is! That big air dam back there can pull
the truck around in some funny ways when you are running 70 mph into a
crosswind.

I do not believe my spam level has increased since joining this list. If I
ever post to a newsgroup, that's when my spam count jumps for a week or
two. So I try to avoid it. I read them, with Deja News, but I don't post.

Jim

At 17:38 25/06/99 -0500, you wrote:
>I have never run a whole tank through my '92 with the tailgate up!!!
>That's how much I swear by it!!! And another reason I know, is
>that I have a bed mat over 3/4 plywood to protect my floor, and with
>the gate up, that thing curls up under the tool box!!!
>
>I can hear the keys clicking already to dispute what I've said....
>Go for it!
>
>Dave H.
>Houston, TX
>
>p.s. I still think I'm getting a LOT more spam since joining the list???
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 21:58:17 -0500
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - '81 F100 Dash Pad?

Carl-
Try these guys:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://musclecarsonline.com/Dash/index.htm

I have not personally used them, so I don't have a feel for price or
quality. I have just heard of them.

At 19:40 25/06/99 EDT, you wrote:
>Hi, All;
>
>Does anyone know of a source for replacement dash pads for my '81 F100? I
>don't want one of those plastic "skins" that you have to velcro or glue on.
>
>Carl in Ft Worth

Jim Cannon
Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton '63 Buick Riviera 401 V-8
'80 Ford F-150 300 I-6 2WD
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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 00:59:39 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Dynamat (again) and road noise.

>Thanks Wayne,
>
>The problem car is in Oregon, and it IS undercoated, and they've even stuck
>fiberglass (I'm assuming like thermal insulation type--not with resin--but
>I'm not sure since I haven't seen it) in spots to try to alleviate the
>problem. I'd have them drive it out to see you, but I don't think they
>could stand that long of a drive. One of the things that I'm sure doesn't
>help matters is that Oregon is one of the few states that still allows
>studded tires. Then you have people who are running them in JULY! They
>REALLY chew up the roads there--makes the road noise worse.

Tell them to put on STUDDED TIRES!

I think those things actually smooth out imperfections in the road. After
they outlawed them in Ohio for all year use, our roads got worse.


Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
Early Oil Well Historian
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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 01:08:26 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: [Re: [FTE 80-96 - Brakes get]

>Sorry, I misspelled it. Should be http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.helminc.com
>Edward Saunders wrote:
>I tried the link you gave, and hit a deadend. Do you have a different
>address?
>Ed Saunders 86 F-150 302

Also look at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ebay.com and http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.abebooks.com for a manual.

I have never had grabby brake problems with any of the Ford trucks we have
had. Perhaps someone put some kind of cheap organic non-esbestos
environmental-extremist friendly brake shoes on it and they swell with
moisture from the air.


Blake
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Concord, Ohio
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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 01:45:48 EDT
From: LHopk99567 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - cruise control

check to see if the problem is related to the "Tilt Wheel" wiring harness.
See if the Curise works with the Wheel all the way down, or up or in the
middle.
DIck in Alaska
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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 01:48:21 EDT
From: LHopk99567 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - ARRGG!!! Its NOT the TFI module

If you have "tilt wheel" the wires in the steering column could be the
problem. Try starting with the Wheel in the Up, Down, and Middle positions.
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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 01:51:31 EDT
From: LHopk99567 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Ignition switch recall (was ARRGG!!! Its NOT the TFI module)

Blake. Did you find out about the Switch recall? I have an 88 Diesel and want
to see if my switch should be replaced.
Dick in Alaska
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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 02:31:55 EDT
From: LHopk99567 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Buy a '85 F150 or '78

I'd be suspicious of a 78 3-speed. I didn't think they were available in 78.
The engine and trans. might be from a Van or car, and is a 240 in six. The
300 six was good, but look out for the cracked exhaust manifold, down by the
header pipe. I put 240,000 on my 78 F150 4X4 with a 300 six. I had some small
troubles but a valve grind and carburater fixed the most diffucult.
I had an 81 bronco with the 300 six. It was a major dissappointment after the
78. It had emissions and that can be a bucket of worm's to trouble shoot long
distance. Stick with the one close to home, or keep looking for a better deal.
Dick
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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 02:55:16 EDT
From: JSC721 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Need more power for 300

I have a 300 in an 89 e-250 van and I have done everything as far as tune-up
o2 sensor and I get bad gas mileage. It burns just as much fuel as a 351 but
I also have no overdrive and keep about 2000 lbs on the truck most of the
time. So , I guess I cant complain. My baby make me $$$$$$.

Joe
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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 00:42:42 -0700
From: Erston Reisch
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Need more power for 300

"Monty Levere" wrote:
> [snip]
> The computer and all of the smog stuff took the heart out of the 300. To
> bad it was a good motor in its heyday. But I suppose that is why ford
> discontinued it in the new trucks.

Like the other poster said - the FI system on the 300ci is a blessing, not
a curse. As for why Ford dropped it:

1) Emissions targets (again, like the previous poster said). We can....

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