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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - Re: 80-96-Design Flaws
Re: FTE 80-96 - Early '90's design flaws
FTE 80-96 - Door Chime Wont Stop
RE: FTE 80-96 - Door Chime Wont Stop
Re: FTE 80-96 - Pulling down my 302 - need advice
FTE 80-96 - Re: fuel pump pressure problem
RE: FTE 80-96 - cruise control
RE: FTE 80-96 - cruise control
FTE 80-96 - cruise control - an additional thought
RE: FTE 80-96 - cruise control - an additional thought
FTE 80-96 - Resetting timing--"bump" timing
Re: FTE 80-96 - Resetting timing--"bump" timing
RE: FTE 80-96 - Resetting timing--"bump" timing
Re: FTE 80-96 - Resetting timing--"bump" timing
FTE 80-96 - ARRGG!!! Its NOT the TFI module
RE: FTE 80-96 - ARRGG!!! Its NOT the TFI module
Re: FTE 80-96 - Pulling down my 302 - need advice
Re: FTE 80-96 - Door Chime Wont Stop
FTE 80-96 - Ignition switch recall (was ARRGG!!! Its NOT the TFI module)
Re: FTE 80-96 - Door Chime Wont Stop
RE: FTE 80-96 - Ignition switch recall (was ARRGG!!! Its NOT the TFI module)
Re: FTE 80-96 - ARRGG!!! Its NOT the TFI module
Re: FTE 80-96 - Door Chime Wont Stop
RE: FTE 80-96 - Ignition switch recall (was ARRGG!!! Its NOT the TFI module)
FTE 80-96 - Woo-hoo!!! It WAS the TFI module
Re: FTE 80-96 - Woo-hoo!!! It WAS the TFI module

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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 05:25:35 -0400
From: Daniel Maxwell
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: 80-96-Design Flaws

Agee whole heartedly, and on the comment from the engineer, you know what
technicians call engineers? Job security. And as far as the Chevy, thats
what my co buys, and they arent all that reliable, lot of front end and
transmission/transfer case trouble, and get stuck real fast. My 2 pennies.

>Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 21:08:17 -0700
>From: "J.S.H."
>Subject: FTE 80-96 - Design Flaws
>
>>I'll make one final rebuttal to your facile responses that attempt to
>>paint me as an idiot.
>
>>(believe you said you had three Fords), but I'll bet you
>> have at least one that has some of the flaws previously listed, and
>> probably a host of others you have not found or are not mentioning.
>
> So If I state that I'm don't have the same problems with my trucks that
>you have with yours, it means I'm either a idiot or I'm lying?

>
>>Used Chevy's tend to run about one to two
>> thousand more apiece in the same year and trim levels, possibly because
>> they were somewhat better at retaining paint, and the ones I have driven
>> generally ran smoother and leaked fewer fluids than the Fords.
>Why didn't you buy one?
>We have a whole fleet of them at work and we have
>more than our share of problems (Trans.,F.I.,Brakes,Charging system
>etc...)
>
>> Toyota T-100, and I
>>don't recall if it came in an extended cab--is it even still available?
>
>Who cares.I prefer nice looking trucks myself.
>
>>I've got Nissan and Honda cars now
>
>Speaking of Japaneese cars my neighbor junked a Suba** 6 months ago.110K
>on it and it won't smog.Costs more for the parts to repair it than the
>tinny,gutless,poorly designed piece of junk is worth.
> Bought himself a 94 F-150.
>
>>Don't take my word on the poor repair history of domestic trucks,
>>check out Consumer Reports' surveys.
>
>They rated my mother in laws Cherokee highly and she can't keep it out
>of the shop for more than a month.Says she should have listened to me
>and bought a Explorer.
> My personal experience is worth much more to me than any magazine's
>opinion.
>
>I enjoy owning,driving,discussing,and even(gasp!)working on my Fords.
>I love Drag,Stock Car and Off Road Racing.I view vehicles as much more
>than just transportation.I'm a gear head who doesn't check Consumer
>Reports,mileage, or number of cup holders before buying.You can spot me
>in traffic,I'm the guy with the big Ford truck with a smile to match in
>the sea of mundane japanesse cars.
>I have wasted a enough band width on this so I'm going out to the garage
>for some quality time.
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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 05:00:52 -0500
From: bg
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Early '90's design flaws

my wife has a '91 f-150 300ci 5sp. it has 205,000 miles on it, mostly
pulling a horse/trailer. i've put in 2 clutches, clutch slave, a water pump,
an alternator, brakes (x3), axle seals, an ignition module (and i think it
was only a bad connection but i couldn't take it back) and thats been it for
repairs. of course the paint has looked like hammered sh*t since it was
about 2 years old.

Troy wrote:

> On 15 Jun 99, at 11:13, J.S.H. wrote:
>
> >"Being an apologist for penny wise, pound foolish decisions by the
> >manufacturer seems rather absurd.
> >If anybody on this list said FORDS are perfect I must have missed it.
> >If my truck was constantly breaking down and had horrible design flaws,
> >I would sell it and buy another truck.
> > Keeping it seems rather absurd to me.
>
> I don't know what has happened to Ford since 1990 or so. I do
> have an '84 F-150 nearing 93,000 miles right now. Yes, you read it
> right, 93,000 miles. Since purchasing the truck over a year ago, I
> have only had to do a brake job, replace the valve cover gaskets,
> intake manifold gaskets (done them both at the same with the
> intake manifold gasket time to save aggravation), replaced the
> gearbox, front shocks, and had to rebuild the carbuerator.
>
> I can tell the truck has been kept up pretty well, and I will continue
> to do the same on my part with regular maintenance. Anyway, the
> point is that I have only replaced stuff that only comes with natural
> wear. I think the gearbox was premature for under 93,000 miles,
> but I don't know how it was driven before either.
>
> I don't know, seems the stuff lasted better a decade or so ago than
> they do now. I hear horror stories out of all of the new vehicles that
> are out, except for the little Honda's, Toyota's, etc. I have heard
> my share of horror stories about Nissan's though.
>
> Sure, the little jap jobs might have less problems, but when
> something does break, it's more expensive to replace since they
> are imported parts, they are not cars that you can work on yourself
> unless you are double jointed or enjoy taking almost the entire car
> apart. Then let's not mention what would happen if you get into an
> accident with one of them. :(
>
> You might be a redneck if... You honest-to-God think women are
> turned on by animal noises and seductive tongue gestures.
> - Jeff Foxworthy
>
> Troy Williams
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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 07:33:43 -0400
From: Allen Baldwin
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Door Chime Wont Stop

Gentlemen....before I take my 95 Ranger into the woods and put
it out of it's (my) misery could anyone advise on a door open chime that
won't quit. The interior lite also stays on. I have a panel indicator
showing that the driver's side door is open however I can not find the
relevant push switch in the door frame !!! It is so congested under the
panel that I am also unable to locate the chime itself.
I would think that the door switch is defective however I am
unable to fix it unless I can find it....... can anyone advise
please......Allen Baldwin

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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 09:15:17 -0400
From: "Ratcliff, Dale"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Door Chime Wont Stop

The switch is in the frame of the door. If you don't see it, it has probably
fallen into the frame. You will have to remove the kick panel to gain access
to the switch. It should be fairly simple to find it once the panel is
removed.

Dale Ratcliff
Email : dratc Telxon.com
92 F150 SC LB



- -----Original Message-----
From: Allen Baldwin [mailto:baldwin sentex.ca]
Sent: Friday, June 18, 1999 6:34 AM
To: FORD TRUCK ITEMS
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Door Chime Wont Stop


Gentlemen....before I take my 95 Ranger into the woods and put
it out of it's (my) misery could anyone advise on a door open chime that
won't quit. The interior lite also stays on. I have a panel indicator
showing that the driver's side door is open however I can not find the
relevant push switch in the door frame !!! It is so congested under the
panel that I am also unable to locate the chime itself.
I would think that the door switch is defective however I am
unable to fix it unless I can find it....... can anyone advise
please......Allen Baldwin

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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 08:13:29 -0500
From: Edward Saunders
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Pulling down my 302 - need advice

> In a message dated 6/17/99 11:26:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> blake little-mountain.com writes:
>
>
>
> "Now I need to know how to get the fuel lines disconnected from the
> injectors and the rails. Do the rails just lift up off the injectors? Can
> those injectors be cleaned when off?"
>
> The fuel rail just pops off of the injectors, but you will need one of those
> fancy (HA) tools to get the fuel line loose from the injector bank. I would
> also suggest changing the injector seals (O-ring) before putting them back
> together.

BE CAREFUL with the springs on the fuel lines. When I rebuilt my 302 I found that
one of the garter springs on the fuel line ( the ones you have to use the special
tool to get off ) was damaged. I went to ford, assuming this was an easy part to
get, and tried to get a new one. They said I had to replace the entire fuel
line! This seems absurd to me. For something so small and easy to replace. They
did stock the replacement A/C garter springs which are the same thing, but
bigger. Why don't they stock the small ones? If anyone has any ideas on how to
get a new spring I'm open for suggestions. I have tried twice to get them from
the junk yard, but getting them out of the lines is harder than it seems, and they
usually end up worse than the one I've got already.

Thanks,
Ed Saunders 86 F-150 302


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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 08:03:09 -0700
From: "Mike Mueller"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: fuel pump pressure problem

Hey !
That was me!
'89 351 though. My problem indeed was the fuel pressure regulator. It was
allowing "over a Hundred Psi", said the Dealer.
It should be somewhere around 21 psi. Check the fuel pressure on the fuel
rail. There is a nice little valve right on top for you to connect to.
Whatever the fuel pressure should be at the injectors, the pumps should be
putting out a higher psi. so the regulator can do it's job and keep a solid
pressure going.

Good Luck!
Mike Mueller
The Leasing Dept.
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>>>
>>> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:25:58 -0700
>>> From: "McMahon, Todd R."
>>> Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - fuel pump pressure problem
>>>
>>> Al:
>>>
>>> Check the archives on this list... I seem to remember someone having a
>>> similar problem, and it ended up being a fuel pressure regulator valve, or
>>> something like that.
>>>
>>> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 15:55:57 -0700
>>> From: AL
>>> Subject: FTE 80-96 - fuel pump pressure problem
>>>
>>> I have a 1991 F250 ( 351 ) and am having some fuel problems. I was
>>> wondering what the fuel pressure should be. It is 36 pounds from the front
>>> tank and the engine acts like its not getting gas. I just put a new fuel
>>> pump in the rear tank and it is well over 50 pounds ( it pinned my 50 pound
>>> gauge) and seems to run ok, though the pump I replaced was at 90 pounds and
>>> it would'nt run. Any help would be appreciated.
>>>
>>> thanks AL



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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 10:21:57 -0700
From: Eric Sneed
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - cruise control

Here is the list of items that were replaced or rebuilt:
Vaccum Booster
Master Cylender
front Brake Calipers and pads
Rear Drums and Shoes
parking brake assy

Hope this helps to shed some light on my situation

Thank You
Eric
89 F150 4.9L 4x4

> -----Original Message-----
> From: McMahon, Todd R. [SMTP:TMcMahon anacomp.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 4:58 PM
> To: '80-96-list ford-trucks.com'
> Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - cruise control
>
> Eric:
>
> You say that you "rebuilt the entire brake system". It would help
> matters
> if you could be "a lot more specific". Various cruise control systems
> take
> speed readings from any number of different locations, including the
> axles
> and sometimes even the rotors. A detailed description of everything
> you did
> durring the course of the rebuild would help emensely (though it would
> probably be a pain to type!).
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric Sneed [mailto:ESneed reil.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 4:39 PM
> To: '80-96-list ford-trucks.com'
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - cruise control
>
>
>
> Help Group,
> I rebuilt my brakes(entire system) about a month ago, since then
> my(factory) cruise control has not worked. I have a chiltons manual,
> but
> it doesn't talk about the cruise control. any help would be greatly
> appreciated.
>
> Eric S
> 89 F150 4.9L 4x4 XLT Lariat 4sp
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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 11:10:04 -0700
From: "McMahon, Todd R."
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - cruise control

Eric:

Ok... The first step is to determine if the brake switch is functioning
correctly. As you know, stepping on the brakes will disengage the cruise
control. Since you have rebuilt the entire brake system, this is the first
thing you should check. The cruise control "might" be picking up this
signal from the brake light switch itself, so check to see if the brake
lights are functioning correctly, and are not always on. There could also
be a second switch that is only for the cruise control. Check your manuals
to see if there is more than one brake switch connecting to the brake system
or the vehicle's computer. Additionally, some cruise controls also have a
similar switch connected to the clutch, so be sure to look for one there as
well.... you never know.

If this doesn't help, you'll need to find out how the cruise control is
getting it's speed readings. The sensor for this could be just about
anywhere from the transmission to the wheel. Perhaps someone else on the
list has better information. My bet is the brake switch.

Good luck,

Todd

- -----Original Message-----
From: Eric Sneed [mailto:ESneed reil.com]
Sent: Friday, June 18, 1999 10:22 AM
To: '80-96-list ford-trucks.com'
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - cruise control


Here is the list of items that were replaced or rebuilt:
Vaccum Booster
Master Cylender
front Brake Calipers and pads
Rear Drums and Shoes
parking brake assy

Hope this helps to shed some light on my situation

Thank You
Eric
89 F150 4.9L 4x4

> -----Original Message-----
> From: McMahon, Todd R. [SMTP:TMcMahon anacomp.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 4:58 PM
> To: '80-96-list ford-trucks.com'
> Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - cruise control
>
> Eric:
>
> You say that you "rebuilt the entire brake system". It would help
> matters
> if you could be "a lot more specific". Various cruise control systems
> take
> speed readings from any number of different locations, including the
> axles
> and sometimes even the rotors. A detailed description of everything
> you did
> durring the course of the rebuild would help emensely (though it would
> probably be a pain to type!).
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric Sneed [mailto:ESneed reil.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 4:39 PM
> To: '80-96-list ford-trucks.com'
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - cruise control
>
>
>
> Help Group,
> I rebuilt my brakes(entire system) about a month ago, since then
> my(factory) cruise control has not worked. I have a chiltons manual,
> but
> it doesn't talk about the cruise control. any help would be greatly
> appreciated.
>
> Eric S
> 89 F150 4.9L 4x4 XLT Lariat 4sp
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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 11:16:53 -0700
From: "McMahon, Todd R."
Subject: FTE 80-96 - cruise control - an additional thought

Eric:

One other thing to check of course are the fuses. My truck's cruise control
is on the same fuse as the horn and the cigar lighter.

Does your horn work?

;-)

Todd

- -----Original Message-----
From: Eric Sneed [mailto:ESneed reil.com]
Sent: Friday, June 18, 1999 10:22 AM
To: '80-96-list ford-trucks.com'
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - cruise control


Here is the list of items that were replaced or rebuilt:
Vaccum Booster
Master Cylender
front Brake Calipers and pads
Rear Drums and Shoes
parking brake assy

Hope this helps to shed some light on my situation

Thank You
Eric
89 F150 4.9L 4x4

> -----Original Message-----
> From: McMahon, Todd R. [SMTP:TMcMahon anacomp.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 4:58 PM
> To: '80-96-list ford-trucks.com'
> Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - cruise control
>
> Eric:
>
> You say that you "rebuilt the entire brake system". It would help
> matters
> if you could be "a lot more specific". Various cruise control systems
> take
> speed readings from any number of different locations, including the
> axles
> and sometimes even the rotors. A detailed description of everything
> you did
> durring the course of the rebuild would help emensely (though it would
> probably be a pain to type!).
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric Sneed [mailto:ESneed reil.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 4:39 PM
> To: '80-96-list ford-trucks.com'
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - cruise control
>
>
>
> Help Group,
> I rebuilt my brakes(entire system) about a month ago, since then
> my(factory) cruise control has not worked. I have a chiltons manual,
> but
> it doesn't talk about the cruise control. any help would be greatly
> appreciated.
>
> Eric S
> 89 F150 4.9L 4x4 XLT Lariat 4sp
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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 11:35:11 -0700
From: Eric Sneed
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - cruise control - an additional thought

horn works fine, but i stopped smoking a year ago so I couldn't say
about the lighter
Eric

> -----Original Message-----
> From: McMahon, Todd R. [SMTP:TMcMahon anacomp.com]
> Sent: Friday, June 18, 1999 11:17 AM
> To: '80-96-list ford-trucks.com'
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - cruise control - an additional thought
>
> Eric:
>
> One other thing to check of course are the fuses. My truck's cruise
> control
> is on the same fuse as the horn and the cigar lighter.
>
> Does your horn work?
>
> ;-)
>
> Todd
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric Sneed [mailto:ESneed reil.com]
> Sent: Friday, June 18, 1999 10:22 AM
> To: '80-96-list ford-trucks.com'
> Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - cruise control
>
>
> Here is the list of items that were replaced or rebuilt:
> Vaccum Booster
> Master Cylender
> front Brake Calipers and pads
> Rear Drums and Shoes
> parking brake assy
>
> Hope this helps to shed some light on my situation
>
> Thank You
> Eric
> 89 F150 4.9L 4x4
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: McMahon, Todd R. [SMTP:TMcMahon anacomp.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 4:58 PM
> > To: '80-96-list ford-trucks.com'
> > Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - cruise control
> >
> > Eric:
> >
> > You say that you "rebuilt the entire brake system". It would help
> > matters
> > if you could be "a lot more specific". Various cruise control
> systems
> > take
> > speed readings from any number of different locations, including the
> > axles
> > and sometimes even the rotors. A detailed description of everything
> > you did
> > durring the course of the rebuild would help emensely (though it
> would
> > probably be a pain to type!).
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Eric Sneed [mailto:ESneed reil.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 4:39 PM
> > To: '80-96-list ford-trucks.com'
> > Subject: FTE 80-96 - cruise control
> >
> >
> >
> > Help Group,
> > I rebuilt my brakes(entire system) about a month ago, since then
> > my(factory) cruise control has not worked. I have a chiltons manual,
> > but
> > it doesn't talk about the cruise control. any help would be greatly
> > appreciated.
> >
> > Eric S
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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 12:23:31 -0700
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Resetting timing--"bump" timing

Since I have to replace the TFI module today I will go ahead and reset the
initial timing (yes, I know to disconnect the SPOUT). Anyway I have two
questions... First of all my base timing should be 10 dgrees BTDC right? I
have a '90 EFI 302 and the underhood stick with that info was lost when I
had to replace front end parts after an accident. Secondly, I remember
reading in some performance mag. that a common trick among the 5.0 EFI
mustang crowd is to "bump" the base timing to gain a little power. I forgot
if the base timing was advanced or retarded and how much. I figure since I
have a knock sensor this trick might be worth a shot, unless of course it
causes a low end power loss.
TIA.

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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 12:47:24 -0700
From: Bob Kennedy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Resetting timing--"bump" timing

Oh yeah, the 10 BTDC is correct w/ spout disconnected.

Bob


Radoje Spasojevic wrote:

> Since I have to replace the TFI module today I will go ahead and reset the
> initial timing (yes, I know to disconnect the SPOUT). Anyway I have two
> questions... First of all my base timing should be 10 dgrees BTDC right? I
> have a '90 EFI 302 and the underhood stick with that info was lost when I
> had to replace front end parts after an accident. Secondly, I remember
> reading in some performance mag. that a common trick among the 5.0 EFI
> mustang crowd is to "bump" the base timing to gain a little power. I forgot
> if the base timing was advanced or retarded and how much. I figure since I
> have a knock sensor this trick might be worth a shot, unless of course it
> causes a low end power loss.
> TIA.
>
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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 14:55:16 -0500
From: "Baldwin, Dave (CPCP Design)"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Resetting timing--"bump" timing

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Radoje Spasojevic [mailto:rspasoje gte.net]
>
> First of all my base timing should be 10 dgrees
> BTDC right?

Right.

> I remember reading in some performance mag. that a common trick
> among the 5.0 EFI mustang crowd is to "bump" the base timing to
> gain a little power. I forgot if the base timing was advanced
> or retarded and how much.

I've heard of people advancing 2 to 4 degrees from stock, so 12 to
14 degrees initial advance. Of course they might be running a higher
octane fuel, and perhaps a cooler thermostat. It doesn't hurt to
play with it, to see how far you can go on whatever gas you want to
run.

Let us know what timing / thermostat / fuel octane combination you
end up with.

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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 13:39:18 -0700
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Resetting timing--"bump" timing

Well I already always run 92 octane fuel so that will not be a problem. As
far as a thermostat goes, I'll have to wait and see...
Thanks for the info.

Rade
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Date: Friday, June 18, 1999 12:57 PM
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Resetting timing--"bump" timing


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Radoje Spasojevic [mailto:rspasoje gte.net]
>>
>> First of all my base timing should be 10 dgrees
>> BTDC right?
>
>Right.
>
>> I remember reading in some performance mag. that a common trick
>> among the 5.0 EFI mustang crowd is to "bump" the base timing to
>> gain a little power. I forgot if the base timing was advanced
>> or retarded and how much.
>
>I've heard of people advancing 2 to 4 degrees from stock, so 12 to
>14 degrees initial advance. Of course they might be running a higher
>octane fuel, and perhaps a cooler thermostat. It doesn't hurt to
>play with it, to see how far you can go on whatever gas you want to
>run.
>
>Let us know what timing / thermostat / fuel octane combination you
>end up with.
>
>Dave Baldwin
>Dallas, TX.
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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 13:48:36 -0700
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ARRGG!!! Its NOT the TFI module

Well I just pulled the TFI module off and much to my dismay it passed all
the electrical tests I gave it with flying colors (I tested all the
resistance values across the pin per Probst). Is it possible there is
something wrong with it, that the electrical test would not show? My
ignition switch is one of the ones that catches fire and is under recall,
could IT be causing a no-start? If the coil is good, the plugs and wires
are good, and the TFI module is good, that means either the distributor is
bad or I have a wiring problem. SOMEONE please tell me the "easy fix" that
I am over looking!!!
If I have to tear apart the wiring harness looking for shorts/opens I wll be
pissed.
I wish I had some Swamp Lager.......
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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 14:01:45 -0700
From: Eric Sneed
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - ARRGG!!! Its NOT the TFI module

what about the piece(stator?) that works with the TFI that is located
inside the distributor.

ES

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Radoje Spasojevic [SMTP:rspasoje gte.net]
> Sent: Friday, June 18, 1999 1:49 PM
> To: Big Bronco List; 80-96-list
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - ARRGG!!! Its NOT the TFI module
>
> Well I just pulled the TFI module off and much to my dismay it passed
> all
> the electrical tests I gave it with flying colors (I tested all the
> resistance values across the pin per Probst). Is it possible there is
> something wrong with it, that the electrical test would not show? My
> ignition switch is one of the ones that catches fire and is under
> recall,
> could IT be causing a no-start? If the coil is good, the plugs and
> wires
> are good, and the TFI module is good, that means either the
> distributor is
> bad or I have a wiring problem. SOMEONE please tell me the "easy fix"
> that
> I am over looking!!!
> If I have to tear apart the wiring harness looking for shorts/opens I
> wll be
> pissed.
> I wish I had some Swamp Lager.......
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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 17:57:18 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Pulling down my 302 - need advice

Thanks guys for your help and suggestions.

I am definately getting a new water pump and replacing all those hoses
around it, which are the original ones.

Where is the best place to get fan clutches? What about knock sensors? Is
that a dealer item?

Do the injector o-rings just slide into the manifold with them? Are they
basically to keep out dirt and vacuum leaks? Standard o-rings should work-
nothing special?

I am still debating on the timing chain advance. Bob, the cam advance
really would not have anything to do with ignition timing.

As far as the fuel lines go, I think I can just tie the fuel rail up to the
hood while working and not have to disconnect the lines. Can the fuel
pressure be tested before putting the top intake back on so I can change
the regulator if necessary, or does the engine have to be running?

Thanks a lot! I will be gone to WV for the weekend.

Blake



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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 17:59:34 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Door Chime Wont Stop

> Gentlemen....before I take my 95 Ranger into the woods and put
>it out of it's (my) misery could anyone advise on a door open chime that
>won't quit. The interior lite also stays on. I have a panel indicator
>showing that the driver's side door is open however I can not find the
>relevant push switch in the door frame !!! It is so congested under the
>panel that I am also unable to locate the chime itself.
> I would think that the door switch is defective however I am
>unable to fix it unless I can find it....... can anyone advise
>please......Allen Baldwin
>

On this subject... does anyone know how to disconnect those stupid things
for good? Someone did it in mine, but our other truck still has it and I
don't know where to unhook it.

Thanks.

Blake
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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 18:03:33 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Ignition switch recall (was ARRGG!!! Its NOT the TFI module)

>something wrong with it, that the electrical test would not show? My
>ignition switch is one of the ones that catches fire and is under recall,

What year was that recall for on the switches? I remember that, but it was
before I bought my 88, so forgot all about it.


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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 15:20:42 PDT
From: barry mitchell
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Door Chime Wont Stop

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Subject: FTE 80-96 - Door Chime Wont Stop
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 07:33:43 -0400

Gentlemen....before I take my 95 Ranger into the woods and put
it out of it's (my) misery could anyone advise on a door open chime that
won't quit. The interior lite also stays on. I have a panel indicator
showing that the driver's side door is open however I can not find the
relevant push switch in the door frame !!! It is so congested under the
panel that I am also unable to locate the chime itself.
I would think that the door switch is defective however I am
unable to fix it unless I can find it....... can anyone advise
please......Allen Baldwin

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Happened to me faulty door switches took it to ford and they replaced them.
When I told the what it was doing they looked at each other and said I
wonder what that is. Seems this is a common problem in the 95 rangers, I had
a friend tell me it would happen, It had already happened to his

Barry


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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 15:26:51 -0700
From: "McMahon, Todd R."
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Ignition switch recall (was ARRGG!!! Its NOT the TFI module)

The Ignition Switch recall was # 95S28, and covered just about every '88 to
'93 Ford vehicle (Bronco's and F-Series were '88 to '91 for some reason).

Good luck,

Todd

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To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Ignition switch recall (was ARRGG!!! Its NOT the
TFI module)


>something wrong with it, that the electrical test would not show? My
>ignition switch is one of the ones that catches fire and is under recall,

What year was that recall for on the switches? I remember that, but it was
before I bought my 88, so forgot all about it.


Blake
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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 18:00:17 CDT
From: Robert Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - ARRGG!!! Its NOT the TFI module

How many miles does your engine have on it? 302/5.0L Fords are bad about
timing chains stretching after they get a lot of miles on them. My Dad has
an '85 and the same thing happened just recently (he has 147,000 miles).


>From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
>Reply-To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
>To: "Big Bronco List" , "80-96-list"
>
>Subject: FTE 80-96 - ARRGG!!! Its NOT the TFI module
>Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 13:48:36 -0700
>
>Well I just pulled the TFI module off and much to my dismay it passed all
>the electrical tests I gave it with flying colors (I tested all the
>resistance values across the pin per Probst). Is it possible there is
>something wrong with it, that the electrical test would not show? My
>ignition switch is one of the ones that catches fire and is under recall,
>could IT be causing a no-start? If the coil is good, the plugs and wires
>are good, and the TFI module is good, that means either the distributor is
>bad or I have a wiring problem. SOMEONE please tell me the "easy fix" that
>I am over looking!!!
>If I have to tear apart the wiring harness looking for shorts/opens I wll
>be
>pissed.
>I wish I had some Swamp Lager.......
>Rade Spasojevic -- rspasoje gte.net
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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 18:05:42 CDT
From: Robert Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Door Chime Wont Stop

The switch should be on the side of the door jam as opposed to the kick
panel. Sounds like the switch is definitely AFU. Open the door and look
straight at the door jam on the lower part of the body.


>From: Blake Malkamaki
>Reply-To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
>To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Door Chime Wont Stop
>Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 17:59:34 -0500
>
> > Gentlemen....before I take my 95 Ranger into the woods and put
> >it out of it's (my) misery could anyone advise on a door open chime that
> >won't quit. The interior lite also stays on. I have a panel indicator
> >showing that the driver's side door is open however I can not find the
> >relevant push switch in the door frame !!! It is so congested under the
> >panel that I am also unable to locate the chime itself.
> > I would think that the door switch is defective however I am
> >unable to fix it unless I can find it....... can anyone advise
> >please......Allen Baldwin
> >
>
>On this subject... does anyone know how to disconnect those stupid things
>for good? Someone did it in mine, but our other truck still has it and I
>don't know where to unhook it.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Blake
>Little Mountain
>Concord, Ohio
>Early Oil Well Historian
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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 20:16:31 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Ignition switch recall (was ARRGG!!! Its NOT the TFI module)

>The Ignition Switch recall was # 95S28, and covered just about every '88 to
>'93 Ford vehicle (Bronco's and F-Series were '88 to '91 for some reason).
>
>Good luck,
>
>Todd

thanks. What do you do? Just a take it to the local Ford dealer? Do you
have to be the original owner?


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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 17:57:42 -0700
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Woo-hoo!!! It WAS the TFI module

I went ahead and installed my new TFI module (made by Neihoff--never heard
of them, but it has a 5-year warantee and is made in the US), and realigned
the dist. as best I could and VOILA, she fired right up. So it looks like
the TFI module was the culprit. I coated the back of the new one with ALOT
of dielectric grease and set my base timing to 12 degrees BTDC (if that
works I may try 14). Thanks for everyone's help. I will not have time to
tackle the exhuast manifold today, so my question now is: Will a good coat
of JB weld handle the temp of an exhaust manifold. I have noticed no
running problems from the crack, but I would like to seal it temporarily.

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