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In this issue:

RE: FTE 80-96 - intake modifications...
Re: FTE 80-96 - 5 volt power supply for gauges
FTE 80-96 - Clarifcation
Re: FTE 80-96 - intake modifications(cool can)
Re: FTE 80-96 - intake modifications(cool can)
FTE 80-96 - Re: engine holds high speed
FTE 80-96 - fuel pump pressure problem
RE: FTE 80-96 - fuel pump pressure problem
FTE 80-96 - cruise control
RE: FTE 80-96 - cruise control
FTE 80-96 - Re: Subject: [none]
Re: FTE 80-96 -put in a nickle
Re: FTE 80-96 - oil pan removal
FTE 80-96 - Cheby
Re: FTE 80-96 - oil pan removal
Re: FTE 80-96 - Cheby
Re: FTE 80-96 - Early '90's design flaws
FTE 80-96 - Bolt stuck in shock absorber bushing
Re: FTE 80-96 - Early '90's design flaws

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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:29:05 -0500
From: "Baldwin, Dave (CPCP Design)"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - intake modifications...

Wayne,

Why don't you just create a little ice-water circuit to circulate through
the existing coolant passages in the throttle body? This would be lots
easier than refrigerating it--without much additional load on the engine.
Seems like a small electric pump (like a low-pressure fuel pump), a canister
to hold ice + water, and some tubing would do it.

Has anyone ever thought of installing some kind of heat exchanger in the EGR
circuit to cool the recirculating exhaust gasses before they get to the
throttle body? Due to the high temperatures and corrosive nature of the
exhaust gasses, it would probably have to be made of stainless steel or
something like that. Of course water from combustion would condense in the
heat exchanger, which may give rise to some interesting (and unknown)
problems.

Dave Baldwin
Dallas, TX.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: FLR150 aol.com [mailto:FLR150 aol.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 9:40 PM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - intake modifications...
>
>
> In a message dated 6/15/99 7:03:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> blake little-mountain.com writes:
>
>
> >>
> Blake,
> Yeah in a sense. Basically trying to cool down the air/fuel
> mix, and then
> especially the NO2/air/fuel mix. It will help to keep the
> timing advanced, as
> we have to retard it to keep down detonation, and it will
> make bookoo more
> horsepower as it will slow down the super heat effect of the
> NOx combustion
> process.
> Still having problems with the plumbing of the pressurized
> fittings though,
> no way to machine out a throttle body and put in a piece of
> fitted line to
> accept AC fitting to hold the Freon. The process continues.....
> Later
> Wayne Foy
> '94 Flareside SC
> "Hazardous Material"
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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 14:24:54 EDT
From: LHopk99567 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 5 volt power supply for gauges

Mike, I'm interested in "Nut's & Volt's" magazine you mentioned. I never
heard of it. e-mail me something on the subscription info.
My 88 F250 Diesel tach is starting to jump around a little bit. I havn't
found the answer yet. The rest of the Guages will read high one day and lower
the next. I'm certain it's not the input devices, I had them checked, but it
could be grungy connections or the little 5 volt regulator.
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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 12:29:07 -0700
From: "J.S.H."
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Clarifcation

""J.S.H." wrote:

> "Trying to figure out what to do for our street machine
> '81 El Camino ""

I was quoting some one else.I was not the original poster of the
blasphemous statement.
J.S.H.
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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 13:51:37 PDT
From: barry mitchell
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - intake modifications(cool can)

The only cool cans I have seen mounted in the engine bay
the closer to the fuel delivery (carb or other) the better( cooler the
better)

Barry Mitchell. . . 74 351C pinto project
PINTO POWER ! ! ! ! ! !






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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 17:53:13 EDT
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - intake modifications(cool can)

In a message dated 6/16/99 4:53:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
fishin4bass hotmail.com writes:


the closer to the fuel delivery (carb or other) the better( cooler the
better)

Barry Mitchell. . . 74 351C pinto project
PINTO POWER ! ! ! ! ! ! >>

Barry,
Have you taken a look lately under the hood of a 90's F150? They must have a
mighty small cool can to fit in there along the fuel rail. Also no offense,
but do you know what PINTO stands for?
Put
In
Nickel
To
Operate
Just kidding,
Later
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
"Hazardous Material"
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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:02:19 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: engine holds high speed

>greetings from australia
>
>we have recently purchased a 1991 f150, manual 5 speed, efi
>
>have a minor problem with accelerator 'sticking' between gear changes,
>revs do not drop at all - wondering if anyone may have had a similar
>problem
>
>regards
>
>carol

Mine does that when I put the clutch in. It will hold a high rpm for a few
fractions of a second. It doesn't drop off like I am used to. I learned to
let my foot off the throttle a slight second before putting the clutch in.
This way the engine speed is dragged down before the clutch disconnects.


Blake
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Concord, Ohio
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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 15:55:57 -0700
From: AL
Subject: FTE 80-96 - fuel pump pressure problem

I have a 1991 F250 ( 351 ) and am having some fuel problems. I was
wondering what the fuel pressure should be. It is 36 pounds from the front
tank and the engine acts like its not getting gas. I just put a new fuel
pump in the rear tank and it is well over 50 pounds ( it pinned my 50 pound
guage) and seems to run ok, though the pump I replaced was at 90 pounds and
it would'nt run. Any help would be appreciated.

thanks AL

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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:25:58 -0700
From: "McMahon, Todd R."
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - fuel pump pressure problem

Al:

Check the archives on this list... I seem to remember someone having a
similar problem, and it ended up being a fuel pressure regulator valve, or
something like that.

Good luck.

Todd

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Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 3:56 PM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - fuel pump pressure problem


I have a 1991 F250 ( 351 ) and am having some fuel problems. I was
wondering what the fuel pressure should be. It is 36 pounds from the front
tank and the engine acts like its not getting gas. I just put a new fuel
pump in the rear tank and it is well over 50 pounds ( it pinned my 50 pound
guage) and seems to run ok, though the pump I replaced was at 90 pounds and
it would'nt run. Any help would be appreciated.

thanks AL

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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:39:01 -0700
From: Eric Sneed
Subject: FTE 80-96 - cruise control

Help Group,
I rebuilt my brakes(entire system) about a month ago, since then
my(factory) cruise control has not worked. I have a chiltons manual, but
it doesn't talk about the cruise control. any help would be greatly
appreciated.

Eric S
89 F150 4.9L 4x4 XLT Lariat 4sp
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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:58:24 -0700
From: "McMahon, Todd R."
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - cruise control

Eric:

You say that you "rebuilt the entire brake system". It would help matters
if you could be "a lot more specific". Various cruise control systems take
speed readings from any number of different locations, including the axles
and sometimes even the rotors. A detailed description of everything you did
durring the course of the rebuild would help emensely (though it would
probably be a pain to type!).

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From: Eric Sneed [mailto:ESneed reil.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 4:39 PM
To: '80-96-list ford-trucks.com'
Subject: FTE 80-96 - cruise control



Help Group,
I rebuilt my brakes(entire system) about a month ago, since then
my(factory) cruise control has not worked. I have a chiltons manual, but
it doesn't talk about the cruise control. any help would be greatly
appreciated.

Eric S
89 F150 4.9L 4x4 XLT Lariat 4sp
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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 17:28:41 -0700
From: Vogt Family
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Subject: [none]

On Wed, 16 Jun 1999, Carol Doneathy
wrote:
>
> we have recently purchased a 1991 f150, manual 5 speed, efi
>
> have a minor problem with accelerator 'sticking' between gear changes,
> revs do not drop at all - wondering if anyone may have had a similar
> problem

I don't know if you have determined that the accelerator is actually
sticking or not, but my grandfather's truck acts like that. I have
pretty much determined that it is a feature of the 5.7l EFI that was
primarily designed for an automatic transmission. At least that's what
the guys on the DIY_EFI list said.

Birken
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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:56:18 PDT
From: barry mitchell
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 -put in a nickle

Hey Wayne, It'll take a boat load of nickles to operate the pinto I'm
puttin' together. 351C,auto,with a 9 ich rear. As for looking under the
hood,If its like the late 80's diesels I know what you mean but those are
the only
ones I've seen thats what I like about my 82 F250 even with a 400M I've
about got enough room for a brass band under the hood! Later

Barry Mitchell. . . 74 351C pinto project
PINTO POWER ! ! ! ! ! !






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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 22:16:22 -0400
From: "Troy"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - oil pan removal

On 15 Jun 99, at 20:06, Steve wrote:

>yes, about 4 inches , if possible.

What about an '84 F-150 with a 302?

You might be a redneck if... You consider orange peels left on the
coffee table as potpourri. - Jeff Foxworthy


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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 21:26:12 -0500
From: "Dave Harmier"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Cheby

Gee guys, someone said gas and a match,
someone else says trade for a Ford.

Everything else we have is Ford, and Dad
would rather have a Ranchero.

It would be except the Elky was one of
those deals ya just can't let go by.

Anyway the question was about fans!!!
Flex, Electric, or a stock clutch type???

And when I build myself a cruiser,
it'll be Ford!!!!

Dave
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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 23:13:13 -0400
From: "Steve"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - oil pan removal

I did my '82 w/ 351W twice before I got it right. 4" was plenty to allow me
to completely remove the oil pan and even replace the sump pickup!

Steve

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Troy
To:
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 10:16 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - oil pan removal


> On 15 Jun 99, at 20:06, Steve wrote:
>
> >yes, about 4 inches , if possible.
>
> What about an '84 F-150 with a 302?
>
> You might be a redneck if... You consider orange peels left on the
> coffee table as potpourri. - Jeff Foxworthy
>
>
> Troy Williams
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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 23:16:14 -0400
From: "Steve"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Cheby

Electric looks nice and clean, (and saves some hp) but doesn't flow quite as
much air. I personally am a little afraid of the flex fans breaking. The
clutch fan would probably be the most efficient!

Steve

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Harmier
To:
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 10:26 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Cheby


> Gee guys, someone said gas and a match,
> someone else says trade for a Ford.
>
> Everything else we have is Ford, and Dad
> would rather have a Ranchero.
>
> It would be except the Elky was one of
> those deals ya just can't let go by.
>
> Anyway the question was about fans!!!
> Flex, Electric, or a stock clutch type???
>
> And when I build myself a cruiser,
> it'll be Ford!!!!
>
> Dave
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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 23:23:09 -0500
From: "Shawn & Jennifer Clark"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Early '90's design flaws

>>"J.S.H." wrote:
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Early '90's design flaws

If anybody on this list said FORDS are perfect I must have missed it.
If my truck was constantly breaking down and had horrible design flaws,
I would sell it and buy another truck.
Keeping it seems rather absurd to me.

I'll make one final rebuttal to your facile responses that attempt to paint
me as an idiot. Your first sentence implies that I stated that you (or
others) have said Fords are perfect. I clearly did not. I did call into
question your flippant comments to my first post.

As for the second portion of your post. First, I'm not sure what model
years you have (believe you said you had three Fords), but I'll bet you
have at least one that has some of the flaws previously listed, and
probably a host of others you have not found or are not mentioning.
Second, "keeping it" may seem absurd to you, but to "sell it and buy
another truck" seems like a really foolish move. Why throw even more money
at a new/different truck with new problems? Unfortunately, I occasionally
need a full size truck. Considerable money is already invested/sunk in the
old one, I've got experience fixing it, and most of the original problem
parts have been replaced. Buying any full size truck from the Big Three
just means more of the same (Dodge being the worst of the lot based on the
Chryslers I've dealt with.) Used Chevy's tend to run about one to two
thousand more apiece in the same year and trim levels, possibly because
they were somewhat better at retaining paint, and the ones I have driven
generally ran smoother and leaked fewer fluids than the Fords. Third, and
most importantly, there are not many other choices in the full size truck
market--the Japs don't have an interest in it (25% truck import tariff is a
real show stopper, other countries have extremely high fuel prices, and few
countries have a road/parking system amenable to full size trucks.) The
only full size non-domestic truck I can think of is a Toyota T-100, and I
don't recall if it came in an extended cab--is it even still available?

I've got Nissan and Honda cars now, and have yet to find any domestic that
can touch either of them for reliability, quality or durability. I just
wish one of them was a full size truck...or that the Big Three would make a
truck of comparable quality. So, sue me for being picky, but my other
vehicles have never stopped running or failed to start during 180,000 miles
combined operation, they run well, start well, don't use any oil between
changes, and only the Nissan has leaked even a drop of fluid or refrigerant
(brake fluid, since repaired.) They both look new when washed and last
week someone asked me about my "new" Nissan. There have been only a few
minor hardware failures on these vehicles. The '91 Nissan has been driven
very hard--lots of time near redline during its second 50,000 miles and
plenty of hard cornering & braking. Don't take my word on the poor repair
history of domestic trucks, check out Consumer Reports' surveys. The
interesting thing is, you can look at the black circles for your model
year, and match it to things that have happened to your own vehicle. The
'91 F-150 has black circles now for fuel (leaky check valves between
tanks?), brakes (sticky caliper rails, and problems with drums?), exhaust
(cracked manifolds?), and paint (what paint?). It has half black circles
for ignition, auto trans, electrical, and hardware. Everything else gets a
mediocre empty circle except the manual transmission which gets good marks.

A fellow gave me some sage advice once, "When you think you have picked out
the new vehicle you want to buy, ask to drive a few used ones of the same
model. Sure it's all nice and quiet and runs smooth now, but what will you
still want it in a couple of years?"

Shawn Clark
1991 F-150 "It's not a truck, it's an adventure." nicknamed, "That d****d
Ford."

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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 21:33:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: Arthur Dembinski
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Bolt stuck in shock absorber bushing

I was attempting to remove a lower bolt holding the
lower end of a rear shock absorber to the axle. I
used liquid wrench to remove the nut, and found out
the rubber bushing had swollen around the bolt. Now
the bolt will spin with difficulty in the bushing, but
it's too tightly held to pull out, and hammering on
the end of the bolt accomplishes nothing, it's like
bobbing for apples. I am willing to sacrifice the
bolt. I'd appreciate any suggestions on removing the
bolt. It's 12 mm diameter, 18 mm hex head, about 5 cm
long.

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:04:55 -0700
From: "Evan Tait"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Early '90's design flaws

toyota has just entered the full size market with the Tundra availiable
sept. 99 just my $.02
evan
www.toyota.com
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From: Shawn & Jennifer Clark
To:
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Early '90's design flaws


>
> >>"J.S.H." wrote:
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - Early '90's design flaws
>
> If anybody on this list said FORDS are perfect I must have missed it.
> If my truck was constantly breaking down and had horrible design flaws,
> I would sell it and buy another truck.
> Keeping it seems rather absurd to me.
>
> I'll make one final rebuttal to your facile responses that attempt to
paint
> me as an idiot. Your first sentence implies that I stated that you (or
> others) have said Fords are perfect. I clearly did not. I did call into
> question your flippant comments to my first post.
>
> As for the second portion of your post. First, I'm not sure what model
> years you have (believe you said you had three Fords), but I'll bet you
> have at least one that has some of the flaws previously listed, and
> probably a host of others you have not found or are not mentioning.
> Second, "keeping it" may seem absurd to you, but to "sell it and buy
> another truck" seems like a really foolish move. Why throw even more
money
> at a new/different truck with new problems? Unfortunately, I occasionally
> need a full size truck. Considerable money is already invested/sunk in
the
> old one, I've got experience fixing it, and most of the original problem
> parts have been replaced. Buying any full size truck from the Big Three
> just means more of the same (Dodge being the worst of the lot based on the
> Chryslers I've dealt with.) Used Chevy's tend to run about one to two
> thousand more apiece in the same year and trim levels, possibly because
> they were somewhat better at retaining paint, and the ones I have driven
> generally ran smoother and leaked fewer fluids than the Fords. Third, and
> most importantly, there are not many other choices in the full size truck
> market--the Japs don't have an interest in it (25% truck import tariff is
a
> real show stopper, other countries have extremely high fuel prices, and
few
> countries have a road/parking system amenable to full size trucks.) The
> only full size non-domestic truck I can think of is a Toyota T-100, and I
> don't recall if it came in an extended cab--is it even still available?
>
> I've got Nissan and Honda cars now, and have yet to find any domestic that
> can touch either of them for reliability, quality or durability. I just
> wish one of them was a full size truck...or that the Big Three would make
a
> truck of comparable quality. So, sue me for being picky, but my other
> vehicles have never stopped running or failed to start during 180,000
miles
> combined operation, they run well, start well, don't use any oil between
> changes, and only the Nissan has leaked even a drop of fluid or
refrigerant
> (brake fluid, since repaired.) They both look new when washed and last
> week someone asked me about my "new" Nissan. There have been only a few
> minor hardware failures on these vehicles. The '91 Nissan has been driven
> very hard--lots of time near redline during its second 50,000 miles and
> plenty of hard cornering & braking. Don't take my word on the poor repair
> history of domestic trucks, check out Consumer Reports' surveys. The
> interesting thing is, you can look at the black circles for your model
> year, and match it to things that have happened to your own vehicle. The
> '91 F-150 has black circles now for fuel (leaky check valves between
> tanks?), brakes (sticky caliper rails, and problems with drums?), exhaust....


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