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80-96-list-digest Wednesday, June 16 1999 Volume 03 : Number 168



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - Computers R Us
Re: FTE 80-96 - Brake Controller Brake Light Lead
Re: FTE 80-96 - Ch***
FTE 80-96 - Trailer brakes
FTE 80-96 - F-150 purchase anticipated
Re: FTE 80-96 - Guage wiring harness
FTE 80-96 - Early '90's design flaws
FTE 80-96 - off list topic...Looking for a Honda List
Re: FTE 80-96 - off list topic...Looking for a Honda List
Re: FTE 80-96 - 5 volt power supply for gauges
Re: FTE 80-96 - off list topic...Looking for a Honda List
Re: FTE 80-96 - intake modifications...
Re: FTE 80-96 - intake modifications...
Re: FTE 80-96 - off list topic...Looking for a Honda List
Re: FTE 80-96 - off list topic...Looking for a Honda List
FTE 80-96 - oil pan removal
Re: FTE 80-96 - oil pan removal
Re: FTE 80-96 - intake modifications...
Re: FTE 80-96 - off list topic...Looking for a Honda List
Re: FTE 80-96 - intake modifications...
Re: FTE 80-96 - RE:Converting rear brakes from drum to disc in a Bronco
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 09:29:23 -0400
From: "Matt Fitzsimmons"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Computers R Us

- ----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Monday, June 14, 1999 11:30 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Computers R Us


> Matt,
>
> Thanks for getting back so soon. I am keeping your address close at hand
so
> that when I start that (and it should be soon) I might make it.
>
> Tell me your not an electrician or a Ford Certified mechanic. I have had
both
> tell me I could do it, but I'm not convinced. I have a Helms electrical
and
> vacuum troubleshooting guide, but I do not have the wires labeled from the
> removal from the Lincoln. Hopefully I can trace most of the wires you have
> mentioned.
>
Well, as a matter of fact .... I do have my electricians ticket. But
computers and cars are my real passion.
And yes, I think it can be done too. For the most part you're going to
leave the harness intact, so all the tricky wiring will have been done for
you.
Generally speaking Ford keeps the colour codes the same from year to year
and model to model, so finding the wires isn't too bad. I haven't had a
look at the troubleshooting guide for a computer controlled car, but I think
most of what you are looking for will be there. If not there, they'll be in
the injection wiring diagrams ( I have the books for '87 & '89, but they're
in storage right now )


> Should I try and use the Lincoln's wiring harness or do you recommend an
> after-market kit? Ron Francis has a great kit that should match up with my
> application well.
>
I have always used the donor harness and made the connections as required.
I've helped friends install aftermarket computer harnesses as well. You
still have to find all the same chassis points yourself, but the aftermarket
harness comes with the tails marked. If I had the original harness available
I would use that, the aftermarket harness seem a bit pricey sometimes.
Either way you will end up dressing the harness to fit properly.


> Glenn in TN
> Soapy the 57 F-100
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 09:09:30 -0400
From: "Matt Fitzsimmons"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Brake Controller Brake Light Lead

I've always used the green wire in the brake controller harness under the
middle of the dash, or the green wire coming from the brake switch. The
wire in the signal harness would be the same wire coming from the switch,
just a different spot on the wire.

As an asside, I didn't know Tekonsha even made the hydraulic actuated
controller any more. Most truck manufacturers suggest that you don't use
them. (extra brake capacity required, potential leaks ... )

I've been using Tekonsha's electronic decelerometer types for many years now
and have been happy with them. They are a little easier to setup than the
hydrualic and vastly better than the time based units some manufacturers
use. In fact, do whatever you can to stay away from the time based
controllers.

Matt


- ----- Original Message -----
From: Vogt Family
To:
Sent: Monday, June 14, 1999 9:10 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Brake Controller Brake Light Lead


> If I had a wiring diagram I probably wouldn't have to ask this but I
> also need to know where to tap into the brake light signal. The switch
> is one point that works but there is also a connector that just makes a
> loop of light green wire that also works. The wire from the switch is
> dark green. The Tekonsha manuals I can read online say on '89 trucks to
> use the wire in the turn signal harness, so that is one more option.
> This truck is equipped with a cruise control if that makes any
> difference. The controller I am using is a Tekonsha hydraulic type.
>
> Birken
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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 14:54:42 -0700
From: William Street
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Ch***

"J.S.H." wrote:

> "Trying to figure out what to do for our street machine
> '81 El Camino (yeah a darn Cheby)"

Option 1: Trade it in on a Ford
Option 2: Swap in a BB (Ford of course), a C6, and a 9" rearend




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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 09:45:37 -0700
From: "Gerald L. Hinkle Jr. CPA"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Trailer brakes

This note is to the guy who is installing trailer brakes on his F-250. I
am pretty sure that if your truck was equipped with the towing package from
the factory all the wiring you need is already under the dash. My truck
came with a special harness (part of the towing package) that plugs into
existing plugs under the dash. The harness ends with several wires marked
as to their destination on the electric trailer brake module or whatever it
is called. If you are interested I can get you the part number for this
factory trailer brake wiring harness. Thought that this might help. I
also have an instruction sheet that came with the adapter/harness, and the
box. Cool since I am not the original owner!

Jerry Hinkle Jr. CPA
"RULEMAKER" 94 F-350 Crew Cab 4x4
"LTS-ROK" 80 JEEP CJ-5
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:28:07 -0400
From: Kevin Keyzer
Subject: FTE 80-96 - F-150 purchase anticipated

I'm getting ready to purchase a 92 or 93 F-150 SC 4x4 and was wondedring
if anyone on the list had any insight for me (i.e., particular items to
check, things you wouldn't do without, things that aren't worth the
extra money, etc.....). I'm interested in a xl or xlt model with the
basics (4sp auto, a/c, V8, cloth seats, everything else optional). Come
to think of it, if any of you are interested in letting a truck like
this go, let me know, I'm in Raleigh, NC and do not mind traveling
(modestly) to see it.

Thanks,

Kevin Keyzer

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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:08:36 -0500
From: "SPECTRE"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Guage wiring harness

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Ezekial
To:
Sent: Monday, June 14, 1999 11:27 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Guage wiring harness


> I have a friend that needs a new gauge/dash wiring harness. Somehow his
> got fried and Ford discontinued them. The truck is an 85 F-350 4x4
> without the tach in the cluster. If anyone knows where he could pick
> one up at, please let me know

The junk yard.
Got mine there.

SPECTRE

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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 11:13:24 -0700
From: "J.S.H."
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Early '90's design flaws

"Being an apologist for penny wise, pound foolish decisions by the
manufacturer seems rather absurd.
If anybody on this list said FORDS are perfect I must have missed it.
If my truck was constantly breaking down and had horrible design flaws,
I would sell it and buy another truck.
Keeping it seems rather absurd to me.
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 15:17:00 EDT
From: ACMERCG aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - off list topic...Looking for a Honda List

I know a lot of you guys are into diffrent things, and I have had no luck so
far...

I'm looking for a Honda list. Does anyone know where I could find one or
how? So far the Performance industry hasn't been any help, and neither has
any of the people I have been dealing with. Any ideas?

Joe
Lost in Jersey
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 15:32:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ken Woods
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - off list topic...Looking for a Honda List

Small, small, SMALL world.

I run the Honda-Performance list. Just over 2000 subscribers.

See: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.vtec.net/hp/




On Tue, 15 Jun 1999 ACMERCG aol.com wrote:

> I know a lot of you guys are into diffrent things, and I have had no luck so
> far...
>
> I'm looking for a Honda list. Does anyone know where I could find one or
> how? So far the Performance industry hasn't been any help, and neither has
> any of the people I have been dealing with. Any ideas?
>
> Joe
> Lost in Jersey
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 15:32:48 -0400
From: Mike Sloane
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 5 volt power supply for gauges

Some weeks back there was some discussion about the problem with the horrible
little 12-to-5 volt device that Ford supplied to operate the gauges in the early
'80s trucks (and cars). Someone referenced a simple diagram using a 7805
regulator that I kept and meant to follow, since my gauges require the typical
slam with the fist on the dashboard to work.

In this month's (June 1999) "Nuts & Volts Magazine" there is a lengthy article
on how to build a similar circuit using a simple switching power supply that
doesn't generate much heat. The circuit would cost a little big more to build,
but would not have the problem of needing a heat sink nor finding a safe place
to locate it under the dash. While the article was intended for a box that would
plug into the cigarette lighter, it would be very easy to adapt for the gauges.
I will scan in the wiring diagram and the parts list over the weekend. If anyone
wants a copy of the images, please email me privately.

Mike
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Mike Sloane
Allamuchy NJ
(msloane att.net)



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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 15:45:57 EDT
From: ACMERCG aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - off list topic...Looking for a Honda List

In a message dated 06/15/1999 3:34:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
kwoods kens.com writes:



I run the Honda-Performance list. Just over 2000 subscribers.

See: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.vtec.net/hp >>
cool, now maybe I could get rid of those motors sitting in my buddies garage.

Later,

joe
Lost in Jersey
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 14:11:54 PDT
From: barry mitchell
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - intake modifications...

I assume you're already using a "cool can" to keep the fuel as cool as
possible as it enters the engine?
Barry


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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 18:54:16 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - intake modifications...

>You would be correct on the cooldown because of the EGR. I am in the process
>of trying to get together a plumbing system to run Freon through the TB
>instead of coolant. Hmmmm...can we say MORE POWER? But for a limited run
>situation, say drag racing =) , it would keep the air cool enough to give you
>minimal gains. Especially if you ice the intakes down between rounds.


Kinda like an intercooler?


Blake
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Concord, Ohio
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 18:55:55 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - off list topic...Looking for a Honda List

>I know a lot of you guys are into diffrent things, and I have had no luck so
>far...
>
>I'm looking for a Honda list. Does anyone know where I could find one or
>how? So far the Performance industry hasn't been any help, and neither has
>any of the people I have been dealing with. Any ideas?
>

Do you mean cool Honda ATCs and motorcycles? Or Honda yuppi cars that I
would not be caught dead in?

Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
Early Oil Well Historian
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 19:03:50 EDT
From: ACMERCG aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - off list topic...Looking for a Honda List

In a message dated 06/15/1999 7:02:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
blake little-mountain.com writes:


would not be caught dead in?
>>
I guess that would be me.

Joe
Lost in Yuppieland
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 18:31:19 -0500
From: "Waddell"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - oil pan removal

Is it necessary to raise the engine on a 81' inline 300 to get the oil pan
and oil pump out? thanks Larry

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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 20:06:25 -0400
From: "Steve"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - oil pan removal

yes, about 4 inches , if possible.

Steve

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Waddell
To:
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 7:31 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - oil pan removal


> Is it necessary to raise the engine on a 81' inline 300 to get the oil pan
> and oil pump out? thanks Larry
>
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 22:27:38 EDT
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - intake modifications...

Cool can? I haven't been able to find one that'll install easy along the fuel
rail next to the frame under the truck. Also I don't really want to try to
splice in near the engine bay. Where do you have one mounted, or think I
could put one?
Later
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
"Hazardous Material"
Wayne's Page
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 22:20:14 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - off list topic...Looking for a Honda List

>In a message dated 06/15/1999 7:02:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>blake little-mountain.com writes:
>
>
> would not be caught dead in?
> >>
>I guess that would be me.
>
>Joe
>Lost in Yuppieland


HaHa.... Sorry, I can't help you. I would if I could though.

Blake


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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 22:40:00 EDT
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - intake modifications...

In a message dated 6/15/99 7:03:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
blake little-mountain.com writes:


>>
Blake,
Yeah in a sense. Basically trying to cool down the air/fuel mix, and then
especially the NO2/air/fuel mix. It will help to keep the timing advanced, as
we have to retard it to keep down detonation, and it will make bookoo more
horsepower as it will slow down the super heat effect of the NOx combustion
process.
Still having problems with the plumbing of the pressurized fittings though,
no way to machine out a throttle body and put in a piece of fitted line to
accept AC fitting to hold the Freon. The process continues.....
Later
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
"Hazardous Material"
Wayne's Page
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 22:50:46 -0500
From: Blake Malkamaki
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE:Converting rear brakes from drum to disc in a Bronco

>I was thinking of putting disk brakes on the ford 9" for my F-1 I am
>building. In one of the classic truck's magazine it mentioned the fact: Most
>of the conversion kits don't have a emergency brake hooked to them. Some
>people put a pressure locking valve on the rear brake line, but federal law
>says that the emergency brake system should be mechanical, for reasons we
>all understand. There was one kit they were installing that had the correct
>set-up, but it was 600-800 dollars, so I'm sticking with stock set up.
>Something to think about.
>Steve
>50 F-1
>92 F-250
>

I think some of the Town cars may have had 9" rears with disc brakes. Some
have a small set of expanding shoes inside the hub of the disc. Or you
could rig up a drum on the front of the differential, or behind the
transfer case.


Blake
Little Mountain
Concord, Ohio
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