80-96-list-digest Thursday, April 8 1999 Volume 03 : Number 098



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In this issue:

RE:Subject: FTE 80-96 - Peelin' paint on 86er
RE: FTE 80-96 - Rough Idle
Re: FTE 80-96 - Peelin' paint on 86er
FTE 80-96 - Changing radius arm bushings
FTE 80-96 - Re: Rough Idle
FTE 80-96 - New clutch on 92 F150 - 5 speed
RE: FTE 80-96 - New clutch on 92 F150 - 5 speed
FTE 80-96 - V6 Swap
FTE 80-96 - Exhaust Pipe size?
Re: FTE 80-96 - V6 Swap
FTE 80-96 - Wrenches
Re: FTE 80-96 - My 1997 F250HD
Re: FTE 80-96 - Rough Idle
Re: FTE 80-96 - My 1997 F250HD
Re: FTE 80-96 - Exhaust Pipe size?
Re: FTE 80-96 - My 1997 F250HD
Re: FTE 80-96 - My 1997 F250HD
FTE 80-96 - 1995 F250 4X4 EFI460
FTE 80-96 - Performance Question
FTE 80-96 - 300 I6
FTE 80-96 - Last question about Radius Arm bushings and calipers.
Re: FTE 80-96 - Last question about Radius Arm bushings and calipers.
Re: FTE 80-96 - Last question about Radius Arm bushings and calipers.
Re: FTE 80-96 - Last question about Radius Arm bushings and calipers.

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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 07:57:21 -0400
From: Mike Johnson
Subject: RE:Subject: FTE 80-96 - Peelin' paint on 86er

I have an 86 that was repainted in the spring of 93 because of bad paint. It
doesn't hurt to try and see if they will still fix it. Ford was only willing
to repaint the effected areas on my truck (hood, top of cab, fenders). Paid
the difference to get the whole truck done.
Mike











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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 08:49:50 -0500
From: "Kevin Reed"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Rough Idle

You can make the gasket using a Wheeties Box and an exacto knife. I did and
it works fine! I didn't want to make ANOTHER trip to the dealer. The
gasket would only cost a couple of bucks any ways!



> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Harris, Scott
> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 11:23 PM
> To: '80-96-list ford-trucks.com'
> Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Rough Idle
>
>
> Is there a gasket for the throttle body?
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:Kevin Reed [SMTP:kreed ICAN.NET]
> > Sent:Tuesday, April 06, 1999 12:53 PM
> > To:80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> > Subject:RE: FTE 80-96 - Rough Idle
> >
> > You don't have to change the TPS or the throttle bypass valve. You can
> > test
> > both using a ohm meter and a shop manual. The valve itself can be
> > separated
> > from the throttle body and cleaned using carb cleaner.
> >
> > To be more effective, remove the entire throttle body, disassemble it,
> > clean
> > it completely with carb cleaner, and pipe cleaners for the vacuum holes.
> > When you put it back together make sure you lube the friction points,
> > adjust
> > the manual idle screw, and set the TPS (should read 0.5V to
> 1.0V with the
> > throttle closed).
> >
> > It took me about an hour and a half, only cost about $5 for the cleaner
> > and
> > some white lithium grease, and it made the Truck run like a dream! It's
> > not
> > hard, there's actually very few parts to it!
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> > > [mailto:owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Garr&Pam
> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 11:06 AM
> > > To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> > > Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Rough Idle
> > >
> > >
> > > Chris Philipp wrote:
> > > >
> > > > When I am idling a light, or stopping suddenly, my 88 F-250 302
> > > > appears to almost stagger, rarely stalls however. Anyone have any
> > > > thoughts on what could be causing this? I thought I heard
> fuel pump,
> > > > and EGR earlier about this question. I am running premium gas, it
> > > > appears to have a shiny new fuel filter, and the main fuel(frame
> > > > mounted)pump looks to be weathered, appears to happen on both tanks,
> > how
> > > > can I test the EGR.. vacuum test or something? What are
> the basics
> > on
> > > > doing either job. I have had my mechanic do one of my in tank pumps
> > > > before, but he wants around $200+ to do it. I would easily make the
> > > > effort to save some cash. TIA Chris
> > >
> > > I would bet it is the throttle body bypass valve or the throttle
> > > positioning sensor...both probably have never been changed
> > > Chris
> > > 94 Lightning #381
> > > NLOC #238
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Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 09:32:55 -0400
From: Chris Hedemark
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Peelin' paint on 86er

Daniel Witt wrote:

> Thanks for your response. Any suggestions as to initiate the
> appeal/application process?
> Just put the local dealer in a headlock til' she yells 'uncle'?

There may be a TSB you can reference but I don't have free access to the
TSB's.

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Chris Hedemark
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That the Hedemarkers hale
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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 09:34:27 -0400
From: "Michael J. Pasznik, Jr."
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Changing radius arm bushings

I just wanted to take a second to pat myself on the back,
since yesterday I finished the nasty task of drilling out those rivets
and replacing the bushings the hard way. For anybody who's
considering this route, a couple of suggestions: 1) give yourself
two days -- one for each side. Not that it's going to take you that
long to drill the things out, but it's not worth the aggravation. 2) the
obvious: Liquid Wrench those bolts the night before. 3) be warned
that in Ford's infinite wisdom, they used a standard size on the
radius arm nut, but the bolt that's helping out those rivets going
through the bracket requires a deep-socket metric. (18mm, I think...)
Actually, I guess those last two apply regardless of how
you're going to get the job done.
Good luck out there!

- -Mike

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Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 06:29:18 PDT
From: "Casey Vandor"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Rough Idle

I havn't hooked up a vacuum gauge yet. Is this something that can be
rented? I tried the wd-40 trick on the manifold, no evidence that
there was a leak anywhere. (I was really leary about doing it, but
nothing happened...) As far as the mixture, I brought up the fact
that the booster was leaking very bad (take off the vacuum line, idle
comes up to almost normal) It was said that I could try richenening
the mixture until I get a new booster. I agree, I will be building up
quite a carbon deposit, but this way I can get it home w/o it dying
everytime I let off of the gas pedal.

Thanks,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Casey,
Have you hooked up a vacuum gauge to the manifold to see if you have
a vacuum
leak there? Just asking because mine was doing that and my front 2
manifold
bolts had wiggled loose...just a suggestion.Wayne Foy'94 Flareside SC

Did you mean to say you adjusted your low idle, not the fuel to air
mixture?
That would make more sense. Running it rich will foul your plugs and
cause
carbon build up in your engine. If you have a vacuum leak I think you
found
your problem.Scott
>>>>>>>>>>>>

Casey Vandor
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83 F-250 4X4
75 W-200 4X2


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Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 09:40:13 -0400
From: John DeVincentis
Subject: FTE 80-96 - New clutch on 92 F150 - 5 speed

I have just had a new clutch installed in my truck.
I am noticing that when I start up from first gear that the truck shakes
a little.
Is this normal? Will the shaking go away?


- --
Thanks.

Regards,
John Dee




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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 10:29:45 -0500
From: "Kevin Reed"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - New clutch on 92 F150 - 5 speed

Usually the shakes, or clutch chatter comes from a warped flywheel (they
took off too much when they machined it), or a bent finger on the pressure
plate, or grease on the clutch lining. For some reason it is catching and
releasing rapidly causing a vibration. Usually this is because someone
screwed up.

Take it back and suggest these problems. I'd like to hear what they have as
an excuse!



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> [mailto:owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of John DeVincentis
> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 1999 8:40 AM
> To: Ford
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - New clutch on 92 F150 - 5 speed
>
>
> I have just had a new clutch installed in my truck.
> I am noticing that when I start up from first gear that the truck shakes
> a little.
> Is this normal? Will the shaking go away?
>
>
> --
> Thanks.
>
> Regards,
> John Dee
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 10:58:26 EDT
From: CMarsh7717 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - V6 Swap

Hello out there,

Is it possible to install a V6 3.0 from a 1989 Aerostar into a 1984 Bronco II
with a V6 2.8 ? I realize I will have to change the electronics and so forth
but what I need to know is if it will bolt up with no problems and if anyone
out there has done it can they give me any tips.

Thank You
cmarsh7717 aol.com
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Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 10:12 -0500
From: Jason D Odor
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Exhaust Pipe size?

I have a 93 F150 with a 302, I'm putting dual exhaust with flowmasters, what is
the best pipe size to go with when doing a project like this? Any advice is
welcome.
Thanks
Jay

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Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 11:23:56 -0400
From: Chris Hedemark
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - V6 Swap

CMarsh7717 aol.com wrote:

> Is it possible to install a V6 3.0 from a 1989 Aerostar into a 1984 Bronco II
> with a V6 2.8 ? I realize I will have to change the electronics and so forth
> but what I need to know is if it will bolt up with no problems and if anyone
> out there has done it can they give me any tips.

If you're going to go through all the hassle of trading up, why not go
with a 5.0L V8? That is a common swap in the Bronco II.

- --

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That our lads can make blood flow --
That the Hedemarkers hale
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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 11:20:03 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Wrenches

David Anderson writes: >>I've seen some special wrenches that look like box
ends with a
slot in the end to slide the brake line through. They grip the flange nuts
better .

"Line wrench" is the proper name of it and the perimeter is thicher than an
ordinary box.
They are a "must" if you are going to do very much "line" work.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 07:26:49 -0500
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - My 1997 F250HD

Jason-

1. Nice graphic about the tires.

But, are we looking at them from the front of the truck or from above the
truck "through the fenders and hood"?

And when you say there is no alignment problem, how do you know?

2. Engine should not ping at speeds over 15 mph if you are in the right
gear. Auto or manual? Which engine?

At 13:09 05/01/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi guys- Its been a long time since I have posted. Here are my 2 questions.
>I have a 1997 F250 and it has 2 problems that are buggin me. 1. The front
>tires look like this / \ in stead of looking like this | | But there is no
>alingment problem. The truck pulls stright. What do you think it is. 2.
>When I am driving in OD (over drive) it pings after 15mph. What gives with
>that? It is not gas...I have tried everything. Even thoes additives...Any
>suggestions would be great.
>
>-Jason
>disalvo tco.com
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Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton
'63 Buick Riviera
'80 Ford F-150
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Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 07:22:27 -0500
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Rough Idle

I doubt it is your fuel pump. Don't go there.

Do you have carb or fuel injection?

In either case, sounds like a vacuum leak is a reasonable place to look.
Double check all vacuum lines, especially the big ones that have full
engine vacuum on them (like PCV hose, brake booster hose, and other large
ones that supply vacuum to auto tranny, etc.)

Could be EGR valve not seating firmly (leaking just a bit). Pretty common
after lots of miles. How many miles on the beast? Any indication if EGR
valve has ever been replaced? Leaking EGR valve is not easy to diagnose.
You can remove it, look at the insides, clean it and put it back on. If
some improvement, then that's probably the culprit and you should replace.
If not change, then you still don't really know. Some bad valves will not
improve with cleaning, they need to be replaced. You can do this job.

Could be the brake booster unit, but more rare and I would not start there.

BTW, do you really need premium gas? Will it knock if you don't run it?
That could be an indication of too much EGR gas going in, pointing me back
at EGR valve. I do not think you should have to run premium on properly
operating stock engine in '88. Others with an '88 should comment.

Good luck.

At 20:21 05/04/99 -0600, you wrote:
>When I am idling a light, or stopping suddenly, my 88 F-250 302
>appears to almost stagger, rarely stalls however. Anyone have any
>thoughts on what could be causing this? I thought I heard fuel pump,
>and EGR earlier about this question. I am running premium gas, it
>appears to have a shiny new fuel filter, and the main fuel(frame
>mounted)pump looks to be weathered, appears to happen on both tanks, how
>can I test the EGR.. vacuum test or something? What are the basics on
>doing either job. I have had my mechanic do one of my in tank pumps
>before, but he wants around $200+ to do it. I would easily make the
>effort to save some cash. TIA Chris
>

Jim Cannon
Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton
'63 Buick Riviera
'80 Ford F-150
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Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 12:35:10 -0500
From: Jason DiSalvo
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - My 1997 F250HD

That is looking from the front. It is a 351 Auto tranny.Well I guess there
is no alignment problem because it pulls stright...

At 07:26 AM 4/7/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Jason-
>
>1. Nice graphic about the tires.
>
>But, are we looking at them from the front of the truck or from above the
>truck "through the fenders and hood"?
>
>And when you say there is no alignment problem, how do you know?
>
>2. Engine should not ping at speeds over 15 mph if you are in the right
>gear. Auto or manual? Which engine?
>
>At 13:09 05/01/99 -0500, you wrote:
>>Hi guys- Its been a long time since I have posted. Here are my 2 questions.
>>I have a 1997 F250 and it has 2 problems that are buggin me. 1. The front
>>tires look like this / \ in stead of looking like this | | But there is no
>>alingment problem. The truck pulls stright. What do you think it is. 2.
>>When I am driving in OD (over drive) it pings after 15mph. What gives with
>>that? It is not gas...I have tried everything. Even thoes additives...Any
>>suggestions would be great.
>>
>>-Jason
>>disalvo tco.com
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>>Jason DiSalvo
>>disalvo tco.com
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>Jim Cannon
>Houston, TX
>'29 Ford Model A Phaeton
>'63 Buick Riviera
>'80 Ford F-150
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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 13:18:40 EDT
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Exhaust Pipe size?

In a message dated 4/7/99 11:46:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
Jason.D.Odor jci.com writes:


the best pipe size to go with when doing a project like this? Any advice is
welcome.
Thanks
Jay >>
I just had mine run. I went from the cat back with a 2.25" into the muffler.
The muffler has dual outs which were 2.25" each. It sounds and runs
great..except now you can REALLY hear the cam...={. I would suggest up to
2.50", but not much bigger. You still want SOME backpressure.
My advice,
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
"Hazardous Material"
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Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 13:54:37 -0400
From: Ray Lillibridge
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - My 1997 F250HD

At 07:26 AM 4/7/99 -0500, you wrote:

I'd assume it is just Ford front end. My truck has always looked like
that(when viewed from the front of the truck). I asked a mechanic about it
and he said it was basically normal with all fords, hence the name..

>
>But, are we looking at them from the front of the truck or from above the
>truck "through the fenders and hood"?
>
>And when you say there is no alignment problem, how do you know?
>>I have a 1997 F250 and it has 2 problems that are buggin me. 1. The front
>>tires look like this / \ in stead of looking like this | | But there is no
>>alingment problem. The truck pulls stright. What do you think it is. 2.

Ray - The DaZeD One

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Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 15:37:48 -0500
From: Jason DiSalvo
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - My 1997 F250HD

Thanks for the imput....Have a good one
- -Jason
At 01:54 PM 4/7/99 -0400, you wrote:
>At 07:26 AM 4/7/99 -0500, you wrote:
>
>I'd assume it is just Ford front end. My truck has always looked like
>that(when viewed from the front of the truck). I asked a mechanic about it
>and he said it was basically normal with all fords, hence the name..
>
>>
>>But, are we looking at them from the front of the truck or from above the
>>truck "through the fenders and hood"?
>>
>>And when you say there is no alignment problem, how do you know?
>>>I have a 1997 F250 and it has 2 problems that are buggin me. 1. The front
>>>tires look like this / \ in stead of looking like this | | But there is no
>>>alingment problem. The truck pulls stright. What do you think it is. 2.
>
>Ray - The DaZeD One
>
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Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 15:58:26 -0400
From: Perry Bennett
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 1995 F250 4X4 EFI460

I've just purchased a 1995 F250 S/C XLT. I've been running it for 3 weeks now. I am truly impressed with the power and torque of the stock 460, in front of the ZF 5 speed and 3.55 diff. I seem to be getting 13 miles to the US gallon (I'm in Canada... so, I've converted for this message). I don't really think that is too bad, if gas was cheaper.

I am considering converting to propane, it would cut my fuel costs by about half... but, since that comes with its own drawbacks, I want to check out my other options first.

Can anyone tell me of modifications, such as, chips, exhaust, fuel heaters, cam shafts, etc, that should show an improvement in my gas consumption? I've been through the postings in this website and am confident that help is out there. What are venturi effect tubes that H8MOnday refers to? I think I found them. And what purpose do they perform?

Perry

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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 19:10:32 -0500
From: "Ken & Susan "
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Performance Question

I'd like to step up the performance and fuel economy ( if possible ) on my
'94 F350, 4X2, SRW, CC, 460, 5 spd with a 4.10 LSA. The truck is used for
occasional light towing. I'm wanting to go with mainly "bolt on" components
( I only have 40,000 miles on the truck ). Anyone got any suggestions? How
about aftermarket parts manufacturer recommendations?

Thanks! BTW, sorry if this subject has been brought up before, I'm a newbie
to the list.

Ken
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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 20:03:41 -0400
From: "Steve"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 300 I6

Does anyone know the weight of the 300 I6? I'm guessing it is not too much
lighter than the 351W that I'm putting in.

Steve

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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 20:59:19 -0500
From: "Dave Harmier"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Last question about Radius Arm bushings and calipers.

Ok, If all the rivets still look tight,
I'm doing it the "tug-the-I-beam" way!

I'll have the calipers and shocks off
because they need replacement anyway!

Anyone with a shock recommendation???

I guess I'll use Autozone "Lifetime" Rebuilt calipers...
though it's a sucky enough job, that I sincerely hope
I'll only do it once!!!

And since polyurethane has been recommended...
Where should the bushings come from?

We'll most likely be keeping this truck for Dad
(and ditch his UGH Ranger!!!!)
So I need to do it right!

Thanks

Dave H.
dharmier NOSPAM.gte.net
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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 22:07:35 EDT
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Last question about Radius Arm bushings and calipers.

I have a 1989 F 250 that i beat the hell out of regularly i swear by the
Gabriel Shocks they hold up here great between the stuff i put in the
truck and the NYC streets ( potholes like the grand canyon) .. its all i run
on my trucks
Bob
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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 22:26:46 EDT
From: PSales264 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Last question about Radius Arm bushings and calipers.

I got bushings at NAPA $15.00.
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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 23:06:15 -0400
From: "Steve"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Last question about Radius Arm bushings and calipers.

I've heard lots of good things about the new Edelbrock shocks!! Haven't
tried them yet, but read from some other post that they really handle nice
on his truck.

Steve

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Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 1999 9:59 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Last question about Radius Arm bushings and calipers.....


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