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80-96-list-digest Monday, April 5 1999 Volume 03 : Number 095 ======================================================================= Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1980-1996 Trucks and Vans Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, send email to: majordomo with the words "unsubscribe 80-96-list-digest" in the body of the message. ======================================================================= In this issue: Re: FTE 80-96 - 302 vs. 351W FTE 80-96 - re;302 vs. 351W Re: FTE 80-96 - FS: Polished B&M 144 supercharger for SB Re: FTE 80-96 - re;302 vs. 351W Re: FTE 80-96 - FS: Polished B&M 144 supercharger for SB Re: FTE 80-96 - re;302 vs. 351W Re: FTE 80-96 - FS: Polished B&M 144 supercharger for SB Re: FTE 80-96 - FS: Polished B&M 144 supercharger for SB Re: FTE 80-96 - 302 vs. 351W Re: FTE 80-96 - FS: Polished B&M 144 supercharger for SB Re: FTE 80-96 - FS: Polished B&M 144 supercharger for SB Re: FTE 80-96 - FS: Polished B&M 144 supercharger for SB Re: FTE 80-96 - FS: Polished B&M 144 supercharger for SB Re: FTE 80-96 - FS: Polished B&M 144 supercharger for SB Re: FTE 80-96 - FS: Polished B&M 144 supercharger for SB Re: FTE 80-96 - FS: Polished B&M 144 supercharger for SB FTE 80-96 - Who had the wrecked 92 F-150 for sale??? FTE 80-96 - How to remove trim... Re: FTE 80-96 - 302 vs. 351W Re: FTE 80-96 - FS: Polished B&M 144 supercharger for SB Re: FTE 80-96 - How to remove trim... FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Web site updates FTE 80-96 - Wheel hop FTE 80-96 - How to remove trim... FTE 80-96 - Stock Wheel Backspacing... Re: FTE 80-96 - How to remove trim... FTE 80-96 - Bad weekend for my cars ======================================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 08:55:57 -0400 From: Garr&Pam Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 302 vs. 351W I am thinking about switching my '85 F-150 from a 302 to a 351W. I am wondering if I can get a long block 351W and just switch things straight across from my 302, intake manifold, distributor, pan, valve covers. I think I read somewhere that the 351W takes a wider intake with a different bolt pattern than the 302, but I don't know for sure. Any info you can give me would be greatly appreciated. I don't want to end up having to buy a bunch of new parts for a 351W because the ones I have won't fit. The lower intake is different everthing else should work! Is htis an EFI...if so you probalby need the computer also. Chris 94 Lightning #381 NLOC #238 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 10:11:25 -0500 From: "Stephen W. Hansen" Subject: FTE 80-96 - re;302 vs. 351W Fords are Fords, and I don't think much except the bellhousings are a direct exchange. You will end up replacing intake and exhaust manifolds easily. There is even a compatibility problem between 351 intake manifolds. So unless you have a complete engine... == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 11:43:20 EDT From: FLR150 Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - FS: Polished B&M 144 supercharger for SB In a message dated 4/3/99 4:24:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kwoods writes: I don't have: lower manifold ($325 from B&M) upper pulley ($117 from B&M) Lower pulley ($65 from B&M) In other words, all I've got is the charger. $500, OBO Again, in other words, supercharge your truck for less than $1100. -- Ken Woods kwoods >> Ken What kind of horsepower does this charger generate? And how reliable is it? I am DEFINITELY interested. Please hold on to it so I can check out application. Thanks Wayne == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 12:09:32 -0400 From: Garr&Pam Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - re;302 vs. 351W Stephen W. Hansen wrote: > > Fords are Fords, and I don't think much except the bellhousings are a direct > exchange. You will end up replacing intake and exhaust manifolds easily. > There is even a compatibility problem between 351 intake manifolds. So > unless you have a complete engine... > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html Heads, upper intakes(if EFI), throttle bodies or carb and numerous other are interchangealbe....I don't know where this info come from but I find it misleading. We Lightning owners turn to the 5.0L after market for some performance parts. Chris 94 Lightning #381 NLOC #238 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 12:12:39 -0400 From: Garr&Pam Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - FS: Polished B&M 144 supercharger for SB > What kind of horsepower does this charger generate? And how reliable is it? > I am DEFINITELY interested. Please hold on to it so I can check out > application. Wayne you better get rid of that AOD-E before you start dreaming of a supercharger...You will end up with the same problem you just had! An E4OD that has been setup for this would be better, or if you can do without OD then a C-6 would even be better yet! Chris 94 Lightning #381 NLOC #238 Just trying to save you some trouble! == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 12:14:14 EDT From: FLR150 Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - re;302 vs. 351W In a message dated 4/4/99 12:09:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, garrpam some performance parts. >> Hey Chris, Haven't we been through this once before? I didn't get the name off the original post, but I know our bantering about this a couple of months ago is in the FTE archives. It was a really good thread. Wayne Foy '94 Flareside SC "Hazardous Material" == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 12:19:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Woods Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - FS: Polished B&M 144 supercharger for SB On Sun, 4 Apr 1999, Garr&Pam wrote: > > What kind of horsepower does this charger generate? And how reliable is it? > > I am DEFINITELY interested. Please hold on to it so I can check out > > application. > > Wayne you better get rid of that AOD-E before you start dreaming of a > supercharger...You will end up with the same problem you just had! An > E4OD that has been setup for this would be better, or if you can do > without OD then a C-6 would even be better yet! More importantly, he needs to get rid of the EFI. :) - -- Ken Woods kwoods == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 12:20:20 EDT From: FLR150 Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - FS: Polished B&M 144 supercharger for SB OH NO. have the 4R70W. And second of all, almost 1k in Art Carr parts Precision Industries convertor, a HUGE tranny cooler. I have redone my tranny to the specs of Art Carr's Rough Rider Team, who by the way have always placed highly in their class in the desert distance races. I don't think I'll have any more problems out of it..I have beat on it quite profusely in the last month and then took it back to have them do their 1 month service on it. No problems, no color change in fluid and no metal flakes. I'm ready for MORE POWER....arr arr arr arr arr....=) Wayne Foy '94 Flareside SC "Hazardous Material" == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 12:20:13 -0400 From: "Steve" Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 302 vs. 351W - ----- Original Message ----- From: Ben Craig > I am thinking about switching my '85 F-150 from a 302 to a 351W. I am > wondering if I can get a long block 351W and just switch things straight > across from my 302, intake manifold, distributor, pan, valve covers. I > think I read somewhere that the 351W takes a wider intake with a different > bolt pattern than the 302, but I don't know for sure. Any info you can > give me would be greatly appreciated. I don't want to end up having to buy > a bunch of new parts for a 351W because the ones I have won't fit. > Many of the parts and accessories will interchange from the 302 to 351, however, the intake will not (it is wider than the 302) and I do not believe the oil pan will interchange either. Even exchanging the accessory brackets on the front requires a part from Ford to accommodate the 351's higher deck height. There is an excellent web site that explains the difference (I searched on 351W), but I'll have to find again. When I do I will post it. Steve == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 12:21:22 EDT From: FLR150 Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - FS: Polished B&M 144 supercharger for SB In a message dated 4/4/99 12:11:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, garrpam E4OD that has been setup for this would be better >> Why so I can end up with the problems EVERYONE else has had? Wayne Foy '94 Flareside SC "Hazardous Material" PS J/K == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 12:37:00 -0400 From: Garr&Pam Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - FS: Polished B&M 144 supercharger for SB Ken Woods wrote: > > On Sun, 4 Apr 1999, Garr&Pam wrote: > > > > What kind of horsepower does this charger generate? And how reliable is it? > > > I am DEFINITELY interested. Please hold on to it so I can check out > > > application. > > > > Wayne you better get rid of that AOD-E before you start dreaming of a > > supercharger...You will end up with the same problem you just had! An > > E4OD that has been setup for this would be better, or if you can do > > without OD then a C-6 would even be better yet! > > More importantly, he needs to get rid of the EFI. > :) > No EFI is awesome you just need to be able to set it up correctly when modifying it. No it is not something you can do in back you yard unless you have a dyno and a computer that hooks up to your computer in your truck, but believe me with the right set up the EFI will out perform any carb setup...I know this is going to start a war but If you have the proper injector size, timing runner length and etc....just for instance most efi owners don't know that injectors should not have to go more than 90% of max flow for optimal performance, EFI will perform people just don't won't to open thier minds up and learn about it! Why should they since they know how to setup a carb? I myself will always run EFI! Just my opiniona nd I am sticking to it! Chris 94 Lightning #381 NLOC #238 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 12:41:37 -0400 From: Garr&Pam Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - FS: Polished B&M 144 supercharger for SB FLR150 > > OH NO. have the 4R70W. And second of all, almost 1k in Art Carr parts > Precision Industries convertor, a HUGE tranny cooler. I have redone my tranny > to the specs of Art Carr's Rough Rider Team, who by the way have always > placed highly in their class in the desert distance races. > I don't think I'll have any more problems out of it..I have beat on it quite > profusely in the last month and then took it back to have them do their 1 > month service on it. No problems, no color change in fluid and no metal > flakes. I'm ready for MORE POWER....arr arr arr arr arr....=) > Wayne Foy > '94 Flareside SC > "Hazardous Material" > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html Check with them to see if The supercharger will void the warranty...Alot of companies will guarantee it to suck horsepower and torque...naturally aspirated! NO SUPERCHARGER! It is not horsepower that destroys the tranny its the torque aand I do't know to much about the specifi tranny you got but I wouldn't won't to find out the hard way that it can't with stand the extra power! Just a thought Good Luck Lets us know what kind of performance you gain! With the supercharger comes alot of other upgrades, injectors, computer chip, and needless to say you were already fighting wheel hop...it will only get worse! Chris == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 12:43:20 -0400 From: Garr&Pam Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - FS: Polished B&M 144 supercharger for SB FLR150 > > In a message dated 4/4/99 12:11:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > garrpam > > > E4OD that has been setup for this would be better >> > Why so I can end up with the problems EVERYONE else has had? > Wayne Foy A probalby set up E4OD will handle everthing you can throw at it...not a stock one. Try contacting some place like Level 10. They do alot of work with Ford trannies Chris == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 12:41:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Woods Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - FS: Polished B&M 144 supercharger for SB On Sun, 4 Apr 1999, Garr&Pam wrote: > Ken Woods wrote: > > > > On Sun, 4 Apr 1999, Garr&Pam wrote: > > > Wayne you better get rid of that AOD-E before you start dreaming of a > > > supercharger...You will end up with the same problem you just had! An > > > E4OD that has been setup for this would be better, or if you can do > > > without OD then a C-6 would even be better yet! > > > > More importantly, he needs to get rid of the EFI. > > :) > > > > No EFI is awesome you just need to be able to set it up correctly when > modifying it. No it is not something you can do in back you yard unless > you have a dyno and a computer that hooks up to your computer in your > truck, but believe me with the right set up the EFI will out perform any > carb setup...I know this is going to start a war but If you have the > proper injector size, timing runner length and etc....just for instance > most efi owners don't know that injectors should not have to go more > than 90% of max flow for optimal performance, EFI will perform people > just don't won't to open thier minds up and learn about it! Why should > they since they know how to setup a carb? I myself will always run EFI! > Just my opiniona nd I am sticking to it! A. The charger is set up for a carb, and can't be modified to run under EFI, which is what I meant by "needs to get rid of the EFI....". What remained unsaid, that everybody else understood what ".....if he wants to run this supercharger." B. You're, eh, rather "touchy" about the EFI vs Carb thing, aren't you? - -- Ken Woods kwoods == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 12:44:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Woods Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - FS: Polished B&M 144 supercharger for SB Why do I feel like I've been stuck in the middle of a bad situation? You two need to chill out. On Sun, 4 Apr 1999, Garr&Pam wrote: > FLR150 - -- Ken Woods kwoods == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 13:35:45 EDT From: FLR150 Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - FS: Polished B&M 144 supercharger for SB In a message dated 4/4/99 12:51:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kwoods writes: You two need to chill out. >> Ken, Don't feel bad, Chris and I dig at each other quite a bit. We are compadres' and just like to express our opinions quite sarcastically at times. He has a Lightning and I have a truck that I am trying to make as fast as a Lightning. Just list banter, no really big FLAMES yet. I put in a couple of calls about that charger. I already had a couple of bites. Like I said I'll still let you know by Tuesday at the latest. Please email me off list with your number so I can contact you if I definitely have someone that wants it. Later Wayne == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 19:03:13 EDT From: ACMERCG Subject: FTE 80-96 - Who had the wrecked 92 F-150 for sale??? Who had the wrecked 92 F-150 for sale??? If you still are selling it please contact me off list. Thanks, Joe Lost in Jersey == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 19:03:52 EDT From: ACMERCG Subject: FTE 80-96 - How to remove trim... I'm looking to remove the windshield trim on my 92 F-150 to polish it up. How would I go about doing this? Do I need any special tools? I don't want to break it.. Thanks, Joe Lost in Jersey == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 19:39:16 -0400 From: "Steve" Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 302 vs. 351W - ----- Original Message ----- From: Ben Craig > I am thinking about switching my '85 F-150 from a 302 to a 351W. I am > wondering if I can get a long block 351W and just switch things straight > across from my 302, intake manifold, distributor, pan, valve covers. I > think I read somewhere that the 351W takes a wider intake with a different > bolt pattern than the 302, but I don't know for sure. Any info you can > give me would be greatly appreciated. I don't want to end up having to buy > a bunch of new parts for a 351W because the ones I have won't fit. > I found the web site that has a lot of good comparison info between the 302 and 351W. It's at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.wrljet.com/engines/small.html. By the way, your bell housing should bolt right up. The 302 and 351W are very similar and, I believe, are manufactured off the same line. If you went to a Cleveland or Modified, then the housings would not match. Do some searching on the net. There's a guy who did a 302 to 351 in his Bronco and he has a web page that has a lot of detail out there also. Steve == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 19:47:36 -0400 From: Garr&Pam Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - FS: Polished B&M 144 supercharger for SB FLR150 > > In a message dated 4/4/99 12:51:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kwoods > writes: > > > You two need to chill out. > >> > Ken, > Don't feel bad, Chris and I dig at each other quite a bit. We are compadres' > and just like to express our opinions quite sarcastically at times. He has a > Lightning and I have a truck that I am trying to make as fast as a Lightning. > Just list banter, no really big FLAMES yet. > I put in a couple of calls about that charger. I already had a couple of > bites. Like I said I'll still let you know by Tuesday at the latest. Please > email me off list with your number so I can contact you if I definitely have > someone that wants it. I was not meaning to flame anyone I was just offering suggestions, I have seen numerous trannies destroyed by SCs I just didn't want to see Wayne waste his fresh tranny. I was just trying to put a word of warning out there, I was not aware that the supercharger was for carb setup...guess I should of read the thread from the beginning huh? That brings up another problem though...emissions??? There is no bad blood between me or Wayne as far as I know...we just try to help each other out...speaking of did you do anything about that wheel hop yet? Chris 94 Lightning #381 NLOC #238 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 20:00:47 EDT From: ROlson1039 Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - How to remove trim... i dont know about how to remove it cause ive never tried but theres chrome polish called Brasso and i used a dremel with the polishing wheel on it and my chrome on a 1989 F 250 came out beautiful Bob == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 21:41:53 -0400 From: Ken Payne Subject: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Web site updates Following additions have been made to the web site: - -Pictorial updated: 1998 F150 STX XLT 1965 F100 Camper Special 1978 F150 XLT 4x4 1978 F150 4x4 1999 F350 Superduty PSD 1968 F250 airport staircase truck - -Central Arkansas Pickups added to clubs link page. Ken Payne Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts http://www.ford-trucks.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 21:56:38 EDT From: FLR150 Subject: FTE 80-96 - Wheel hop Chris, Nope I sure haven't. I am trying to get my truck ready as far as motor and durability goes. i am running in the FFW Top Truck (uggghh) class. I had some bugs to work out, which by the way , haven't all been cleared up yet. I am yet debating about the NOx kit. If I use a Progressive controller, I can feed the system in slowly so I can leave light and run them down at the top end. Ahh the woes of a heavy truck owner continues.... Wayne Foy '94 Flareside SC "Hazardous Material" == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 22:11:12 EDT From: ACMERCG Subject: FTE 80-96 - How to remove trim... I'm looking to remove the windshield trim on my 92 F-150 to polish it up. How would I go about doing this? Do I need any special tools? I don't want to break it.. Thanks, Joe Lost in Jersey == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 22:11:20 EDT From: ACMERCG Subject: FTE 80-96 - Stock Wheel Backspacing... Anyone know what the backspacing is on stock 150 rims? are they all the same? I originally had the Alloy rims on my 92 but I replaced them with chrome set off a 95. Now I just recently added 31x10.50 Goodyear AT/S to the mix and I'm getting a little rub on the Pass side radius arm. Is there any way to adjust the steering stops on the steering box? Is there anyone who makes aftermarket radius arms that are smaller? Thanks, Joe Lost in Jersey == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 22:54:35 -0500 From: Matthew Banevich Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - How to remove trim... ACMERCG > > I'm looking to remove the windshield trim on my 92 F-150 to polish it > up. How would I go about doing this? Do I need any special tools? I don't > want to break it.. > > Thanks, > > Joe There is a special tool, I don't know what it's specific name is, But I can desribe how it looks, the tool looks like an arrow at the end, with a sliught bend and then the handle, what you do is you stick the "arrow" underneath the trim along the edges of the window until you come across the clip. Then all you do is pivot the tool so that the clip will move away from the frame, and pull on the trim, It's really easy !!! Hope this helps! == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 21:42:46 PDT From: "Chris Mahaffey" Subject: FTE 80-96 - Bad weekend for my cars Hi all, I decided to tackle the radius arm bushings in my 92 Flareside this past weekend. I don't drive the truck much so I figured if I didn't get it done I could finish next weekend, but how quickly plans can change. I noticed a strange problem with our 95 Cougar with the 4.6L. If I jump on it from a dead stop the voltage jumps up to about 17V before the engine even reaches 1500rpm, then it settles right back down. I probably wouldn't worry about this except it caused the climate control computer to reset itself so I wanted to fix it before it ruined a computer. Anyway, I guessed it was the voltage regulator and ran to Ford to get it (cheaper at Ford than the parts stores). Since it's in the back of the alternator I had to remove the belt to replace it. When I was putting the belt back on the tensioner pulley assembly broke in half right where the hole is for putting the breaker bar into. I made another trip to Ford to get that part (I went to Ford since the part stores had to order it, and Ford ended up cheaper anyway) They had improved the design of it so hopefully I won't have that problem again. So now I've finally gotten the belt back on and I start it up, and hear a terrible noise. I immediately shut it off and went to look at it and found the pulley from the front of the crank was on the garage floor in 3 pieces. The bolt was laying right beside it. It looks like it's been loose for a while because the key has worn a groove in the crank. So, I made another trip back to Ford for the pulley, and of course they don't stock it so I have to wait about a week for it. It appears as thought I'm going to have to remove the front cover from the engine to get the key out of there because it appears to go into the gears that drive the cams. If any of you have suggestions on this please let me know. You can send them direct so we don't clutter the list with non truck related problems. I guess the good part about this is that it happened in my garage and not when my wife had it out somewhere. So now that the Cougar is down for a week or more I had to get the truck back together. I had decided to replace the radius arm bushings as well as the axle pivot bushings (in the ends of the I-beams) I also put new front shocks, front brake pads and rotors on it and had it aligned. After all of that it pulled to the left when braking, so I went and bought new, well rebuilt, calipers for both sides. When I got them home I discovered that even though the boxes had different numbers (left side vs. right side) they both contained left side calipers, so I had to go back to the store. I also put new slide pins in. The originals were chrome and the replacements appear to be stainless. Any ideas why this was changed or is it just because the replacements are aftermarket and.... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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