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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: starter
Re: FTE 80-96 - F150 - Temp Guage + Air Bags + Drive Shaft Problems
RE: FTE 80-96 - F150 - Temp Guage + Air Bags + Drive Shaft Problems
FTE 80-96 - exhaust, ball joints, etc.
Re: FTE 80-96 - F150 - Temp Guage + Air Bags + Drive Shaft Problems
FTE 80-96 - Re: Dual Tank Question
RE: FTE 80-96 - Last thoughts on 84 F-250......
RE: FTE 80-96 - Re: Dual Tank Question
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Dual Tank Question
Re: FTE 80-96 - F150 - Temp Guage + Air Bags + Drive Shaft Problems
FTE 80-96 - Am I off the list?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Last thoughts on 84 F-250......
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Dual Tank Question
Re: FTE 80-96 - Am I off the list?
FTE 80-96 - Belt sizing after smog pump removal
FTE 80-96 - '87 F-350 leaking brake line
FTE 80-96 - Vibs
Re: FTE 80-96 - F150 - Temp Guage + Air Bags + Drive Shaft Problems
FTE 80-96 - Drive Shaft Problems
FTE 80-96 - Re: Starter
Re: FTE 80-96 - Belt sizing after smog pump removal
FTE 80-96 - Oil in the throttle body?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Last thoughts on 84 F-250......
Re: FTE 80-96 - Last thoughts on 84 F-250......
FTE 80-96 - RE: Alldata
FTE 80-96 - Clicking and Rough Idle
Re: FTE 80-96 - Clicking and Rough Idle

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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 08:50:29 -0500
From: Chris Hedemark
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: starter

Paul M Radecki wrote:

> This happened to my '94, also with the 300ci six. The two bolts that
> secure the actual starter motor in the starter housing/gearbox (not to be
> confused with the two bolts that secure the starter unit to the
> bellhousing) had loosened.

I had the same symptoms, but slightly different cause. The starter
bolts that actually mount the starter to the engine had loosened. One
had come out completely and the other was almost there. After 192,000
miles I couldn't complain. This was a 1987 F250 5.0L.

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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 08:56:20 -0500
From: Chris Hedemark
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - F150 - Temp Guage + Air Bags + Drive Shaft Problems

David J. Smith wrote:

> 1. The temp gauge no longer works.
> For a short while it failed intermitently, but then went stone dead. I
> replaced the sensor on the block but it didn't help. My dealer says it
> is the gauge itself and wants over $200 for the new part alone.
>
> Can anyone offer an alternative to dropping my pants and bending over to
> the dealer? Are there aftermarket replacement guages that will work?
> Is removal of the dash panel a big job?

If you are going to replace the temp gauge, have you considered going
aftermarket?

You can get a slick A-pillar pod to hold two gauges (or just one, if you
prefer). The only problem is you will have one dead gauge in your dash
replaced by one excellent one on your A pillar.

> 3. My drive shaft seems to cause a vibration that is felt in your seat
> as you drive. Wheels have been rebalanced. I have replaced all shaft
> bearings. One WAS very shot and another was pitted; but the vibration
> persists between 50 and 80 km/hr.

My driveshaft did this right before the rear U joint shattered on me.
Get under there and take a look at that. Road side U joint replacement
laying in the red clay of Middle Of Nowhere, North Carolina wasn't my
idea of a fun evening.

> I have no recollection of bumping the shaft while driving.

The U joint went right after I dropped off a yard of stone on some
property I've got out in the sticks.

> On a
> hoist there is no noticable shaft wobble. I wonder if the garage that
> replaced my rear tires didn't jack the truck up using the shaft as an
> anchor point. I'm getting frustrated, but very reluctant to once again
> visit the Ford dealer.

Well this actually leads me into a question.... when the U joint went,
the driveshaft banged around a few times before I pulled over and came
to a stop. It is banged up enough to be out of balance now. How hard
is it to find someone to balance a driveshaft? And how much should I
expect to pay?

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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 08:59:55 -0500
From: "Kevin Reed"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - F150 - Temp Guage + Air Bags + Drive Shaft Problems

Find a late model scrap yard. Hopefully someone trashed their truck, and
you can get the parts you need out of it. (although trashing a Ford truck
is hard, I've seen one take down a tree and a lamp post (concrete) and still
drive home!)



> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of David J. Smith
> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 1999 1:51 AM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - F150 - Temp Guage + Air Bags + Drive Shaft Problems
>
>
> I have a '95 F150, 5.0L V8 Supercab 2WD with 130000 km.
>
> Up until recently it has been rock solid; except now:
>
> 1. The temp gauge no longer works.
> For a short while it failed intermitently, but then went stone dead. I
> replaced the sensor on the block but it didn't help. My dealer says it
> is the gauge itself and wants over $200 for the new part alone.
>
> Can anyone offer an alternative to dropping my pants and bending over to
> the dealer? Are there aftermarket replacement guages that will work?
> Is removal of the dash panel a big job?
>
> 2. My Air Bag light is flashing a code 51. Again the dealer wants me
> to drop my pants. Again the module part alone is over $200.
> Am I taking a risk in replacing the original part myself with a used one
> from a wrecker?
> Apparently a code 51 relates to a system short and the module has blown
> a fuse to prevent the bag from activating accidentally.
> (Why they design a part with the fuse internally and non-replacable is
> beyond me)
>
> 3. My drive shaft seems to cause a vibration that is felt in your seat
> as you drive. Wheels have been rebalanced. I have replaced all shaft
> bearings. One WAS very shot and another was pitted; but the vibration
> persists between 50 and 80 km/hr.
>
> Is replacing the shaft itself, or having the shaft balanced, the next
> step? I have no recollection of bumping the shaft while driving. On a
> hoist there is no noticable shaft wobble. I wonder if the garage that
> replaced my rear tires didn't jack the truck up using the shaft as an
> anchor point. I'm getting frustrated, but very reluctant to once again
> visit the Ford dealer.
>
> I would appreciate any suggestions!
>
> Frustrated David
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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 09:11:08 -0500
From: "Kevin Reed"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - exhaust, ball joints, etc.

Does anyone know the setup of the exhaust system on an 86 F150-302cid with
single exhaust. The problem that I'm having is a leak between the manifold
and the Y pipe. I don't want to take it apart (snap the studs) unless I
know what I'm getting into. Is there a donut, or just a direct flange to
manifold, or just a gasket? Has any one had a leak here who could give some
advice?

I also have the right lower ball joint that has about 1/4 - 1/2 inch of
play! I have to replace it, but you need a b.j. press tool right? Does
anybody know where to get your hands on this tool? Do rent-all stores have
them, or is it something that you have to buy from ford? Does anybody have
any advise re:this! or doing the job itself that might help?

Kevin Reed
Burlington, Ontario, CANADA.
(Right next to Oakville where they make the trucks!)




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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 10:17:54 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Woods
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - F150 - Temp Guage + Air Bags + Drive Shaft Problems

On Wed, 31 Mar 1999, Chris Hedemark wrote:

> David J. Smith wrote:
> > Can anyone offer an alternative to dropping my pants and bending over to
> > the dealer? Are there aftermarket replacement guages that will work?
> > Is removal of the dash panel a big job?
>
> If you are going to replace the temp gauge, have you considered going
> aftermarket?
> You can get a slick A-pillar pod to hold two gauges (or just one, if you
> prefer). The only problem is you will have one dead gauge in your dash
> replaced by one excellent one on your A pillar.


Summit Racing Equipment
800.230.3030
GRD-87FTSP Single pod, 87-96, $17.95
GRD-87FTDP Dual pod, 87-96, $25.95

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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 10:23:54 -0500
From: Larry Wiandt
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Dual Tank Question

I should have been more specific, my F350 has the diesel and I was
wondering if there was a difference that I should be aware of. I too have
owned a gasoline version with dual tanks and used to switch on the fly.

Also no one has taken a shot at my other question. When I do switch, how
do I know that the valve moved and I am running on a different tank.
According to the wiring diagram of the truck the switch is a double pole
switch so it seems to me that it would be possible to flip the switch and
the gauge would read the new tank level but there is nothing to say that
the valve actually moved and I am running on the new tank. Any thoughts?


>Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Dual Tank Question
>
>In a message dated 3/29/99 7:02:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, Bromfed1 aol.com
>writes:
>
>
>the
> fly, and I was told yes. I have never had any problems yet... >>
>I have dual tanks on my Flareside too. I change tanks on the fly all the time
>and I haven't had any problems either.
>Wayne Foy
>'94 Flareside SC
>"Hazardous Material"

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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 08:19:50 -0700
From: "Barnaby Duncan"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Last thoughts on 84 F-250......

> `Finally heard price today....$6895.00 :(
That is reasonable, low compared to what a similar truck would fetch in this
neck of
the woods (Idaho). I saw an 86 F250 CC 6.9 on a lot three months ago. The
miles were near 200K. They wanted $10K!! Up here everyone wants to pull and
is apparently not willing to get a truck somewhere else. I picked up a
better
truck in San Diego for less than half that price.
> Drove it.....Doesn't feel as cherry as it looks :(
Hey, suspension work on these babies goes with the territory....
Do you want a truck or a Cadillac?
> Do LOVE the way the 6.9 Dualled out exhaust Diesel felt :)
Dual exhaust won't be happening for me. A 70 gallon aft-of-axle
tank (just rebuilt with 14 gauge) prohibits that. It won't keep me from
thinking about it though....
> The C-6 is SOLID as a rock...but needs another gear or overdrive :(
Roger on that. I HATE automatics, especially on a power plant like
the 6.9.
> The thing didn't rattle or shake funny at all !
> The steering left much to be desired!!!!
> Also drove an 89 F-350 Ext cab long bed dually w/7.3 and 5 speed
> Main problem with that beast was it was !!!!NOISY!!!!! the 6.9
> just noisy.
> And it was geared to pull the world....not to run highway and get
> mileage!!!!
Go manual 5-speed when everything else is done. With my C-3 (Borg-Warner)
I can run at 75 (most hiways out here are 65 or 75) no problem.
> Gotta get my 150 paid off anyhow...be buying in 6 months or so.
This is the key. I would rather pay for parts and tools any day, then
pay FOMOCO interest.
> Dave H.
> dharmier NoSpam.gte.net
> Houston, TX (Almeda Mall area)
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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 08:33:40 -0700
From: "Barnaby Duncan"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Re: Dual Tank Question

Larry,

Some recent fuel system work on my 6.9, also with duals, but, unfortunately
far forward of the 6-way valve, taught me the following:

Approx. 3-5 times the amount of fuel that is burned is transferred through
the system. That which is not burned is returned to the tank. If the 6-way
was
not working properly you would a) always draw from the same tank, or b) fill
up
the other tank and then spit out fuel. Most diesels are engineered to do
this for
several reasons.

I hope this helps.

Barnaby


> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Larry Wiandt
> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 1999 8:24 AM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Dual Tank Question
>
>
> I should have been more specific, my F350 has the diesel and I was
> wondering if there was a difference that I should be aware of. I too have
> owned a gasoline version with dual tanks and used to switch on the fly.
>
> Also no one has taken a shot at my other question. When I do switch, how
> do I know that the valve moved and I am running on a different tank.
> According to the wiring diagram of the truck the switch is a double pole
> switch so it seems to me that it would be possible to flip the switch and
> the gauge would read the new tank level but there is nothing to say that
> the valve actually moved and I am running on the new tank. Any thoughts?
>
>
> >Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Dual Tank Question
> >
> >In a message dated 3/29/99 7:02:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> Bromfed1 aol.com
> >writes:
> >
> >
> switch tanks on
> >the
> > fly, and I was told yes. I have never had any problems yet... >>
> >I have dual tanks on my Flareside too. I change tanks on the fly
> all the time
> >and I haven't had any problems either.
> >Wayne Foy
> >'94 Flareside SC
> >"Hazardous Material"
>
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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 09:39:35 -0600
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Dual Tank Question

At 10:23 31/03/99 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Also no one has taken a shot at my other question. When I do switch, how
>do I know that the valve moved and I am running on a different tank.
>According to the wiring diagram of the truck the switch is a double pole
>switch so it seems to me that it would be possible to flip the switch and
>the gauge would read the new tank level but there is nothing to say that
>the valve actually moved and I am running on the new tank. Any thoughts?

What you propose COULD happen. When it does, the fuel guage will not go
down as you drive and the engine will die when you empty the other fuel
tank. Seems simple enough to me .

Jim Cannon
Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton
'63 Buick Riviera
'80 Ford F-150
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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 09:33:51 -0600
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - F150 - Temp Guage + Air Bags + Drive Shaft Problems

I'd say you should be able to get a replacement temp guage from a wreck and
put it in yourself.

I don't know if doing the airbag yourself is a good idea. Depends on how
skilled you are. You might want to have a certified mechanic do it, but not
the dealer.

The vibration may not be from the drive shaft. Hard to tell. I'd talk to
the guys who can balance it and see if they have any ideas. If not too
expensive, I'd try the balance of the shaft. Any possibility that a tire is
out of round? It might balance but not be perfectly round. Did any wheel
require a lot of lead to get it to balance? When shaft was off truck for
the bearing replacement, did you mark it and get it installed back exactly
in phase like it was? If not sure, try R&R with phase turned 180 deg. Good
luck with this one. The other two are easy compared to this.

Jim

At 22:50 30/03/99 -0800, you wrote:
>I have a '95 F150, 5.0L V8 Supercab 2WD with 130000 km.
>
>Up until recently it has been rock solid; except now:
>
>1. The temp gauge no longer works.
>For a short while it failed intermitently, but then went stone dead. I
>replaced the sensor on the block but it didn't help. My dealer says it
>is the gauge itself and wants over $200 for the new part alone.
>
>Can anyone offer an alternative to dropping my pants and bending over to
>the dealer? Are there aftermarket replacement guages that will work?
>Is removal of the dash panel a big job?
>
>2. My Air Bag light is flashing a code 51. Again the dealer wants me
>to drop my pants. Again the module part alone is over $200.
>Am I taking a risk in replacing the original part myself with a used one
>from a wrecker?
>Apparently a code 51 relates to a system short and the module has blown
>a fuse to prevent the bag from activating accidentally.
>(Why they design a part with the fuse internally and non-replacable is
>beyond me)
>
>3. My drive shaft seems to cause a vibration that is felt in your seat
>as you drive. Wheels have been rebalanced. I have replaced all shaft
>bearings. One WAS very shot and another was pitted; but the vibration
>persists between 50 and 80 km/hr.
>
>Is replacing the shaft itself, or having the shaft balanced, the next
>step? I have no recollection of bumping the shaft while driving. On a
>hoist there is no noticable shaft wobble. I wonder if the garage that
>replaced my rear tires didn't jack the truck up using the shaft as an
>anchor point. I'm getting frustrated, but very reluctant to once again
>visit the Ford dealer.
>
>I would appreciate any suggestions!
>
>Frustrated David
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Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton
'63 Buick Riviera
'80 Ford F-150
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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 09:23:23 -0000
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Am I off the list?

I have not recieved any posts from the list (80-96 and offroad) for two days
now. Have I been kicked off?
Sorry Ken but I couldn't find your direct e-mail.

Rade Spasojevic -- rspasoje gte.net
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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 09:38:16 -0800 (PST)
From: Alan Alquist
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Last thoughts on 84 F-250......

On Tue, 30 Mar 1999, Dave Harmier wrote:

`Finally heard price today....$6895.00 :( Drove it.....Doesn't feel as
cherry as it looks :( Do LOVE the way the 6.9 Dualled out exhaust Diesel
felt :) The C-6 is SOLID as a rock...but needs another gear or overdrive
___
My algorithm for trucks in the Pacific NW (which is also high):

NADA retail book value times 1.3...offer no more. If the truck is still
there in 2 weeks offer again.

My 86 F250 was lot-priced at $7995.00..I offered $4200.00...They came down
to $5200.00...which is what I thought it was originally worth.

...the lot gave the original owner $3000.00 trade-in for it. The lot
detailed (in-out), advertised and painted the hood...plus a sellers
fee...it was a win-win situation.

good luck.

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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 12:38:08 -0500
From: Mike Sloane
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Dual Tank Question

Larry Wiandt wrote:

> I should have been more specific, my F350 has the diesel and I was
> wondering if there was a difference that I should be aware of. I too have
> owned a gasoline version with dual tanks and used to switch on the fly.

I have an '87 F-350 diesel and switch tanks while the engine is running with no
ill effects. I do not recall anything in the diesel engine supplement to the
owners manual that suggested doing anything otherwise. Seeing the number of
warning stickers plastered all over the visor, I think if it were a problem, there
would be some obvious mention of it somewhere..

>
>
> Also no one has taken a shot at my other question. When I do switch, how
> do I know that the valve moved and I am running on a different tank.
> According to the wiring diagram of the truck the switch is a double pole
> switch so it seems to me that it would be possible to flip the switch and
> the gauge would read the new tank level but there is nothing to say that
> the valve actually moved and I am running on the new tank. Any thoughts?

I don't thing it would take a electrical engineer to splice a wire in to each of
the pump hot leads and run them up to 12 volt lamps in the dashboard somewhere.
The lamp that is lit would indicate which pump is getting power at the moment.

>
>

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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 11:48:13 -0800
From: satkins1 mindspring.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Am I off the list?

I am removing the smog pump on a 1990 Bronco with a 5.0. Does anyone know
the part number or size of the belt I'm going to have to have?

Steve
1990 Bronco 4X4

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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 13:28:42 -0500
From: Chris Hedemark
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Belt sizing after smog pump removal

satkins1 mindspring.com wrote:
>
> I am removing the smog pump on a 1990 Bronco with a 5.0. Does anyone know
> the part number or size of the belt I'm going to have to have?

Hi Steve...

One trick I've used is this. Get a length of twine, and run it around
the accessories as you would a serpentine belt. Mark off the twin at
the point where it reaches full-circle.

Now take this twine to your parts store. They have a belt measuring
device that will allow you to come up with a part number based on the
length of the twine and how many ribs are in the serpentine belt you
require.

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That the Hedemarkers hale
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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 14:53:45 -0500
From: Mike Sloane
Subject: FTE 80-96 - '87 F-350 leaking brake line

I have an '87 F-350 (diesel dump truck), and the other day I found that
the brakes were very low and refilled the reservoir. I took a quick look
around and did not see any fluid at any wheel and went off on a 200 mile
trip. When I stopped at traffic lights, the pedal would slowly sink. I
had to refill the reservoir a couple of times. But the brakes worked
fine, even with a full load of equipment in the bed. When I got home, I
checked a little bit more and discovered that somewhere between the
master cylinder and the rear axle (inside the frame rail) there must be
a leak - the bottom of the frame on the driver side is wet with brake
fluid. A friend suggested that the ABS switch is located in that area
and is a likely source of this kind of leak. My experience with brake
lines is that they are either sound or they are burst - nothing in
between. So the idea of the ABS switch leak holds promise. Additionally,
when I bought the truck a few months ago, the ABS wiring was
disconnected in a similar area, and the warning light stays on all the
time.

Before I spend half of Saturday crawling around in the mud, does anyone
have any thoughts about the this? Changing out brake lines is far from
my favorite job, but changing out the ABS switch doesn't sound like the
same kind of (literally) pain in the neck.

Mike

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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 15:55:20 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Vibs

Frustrated David writes: >> My drive shaft seems to cause a vibration that is
felt in your seat
as you drive. Wheels have been rebalanced. I have replaced all shaft
bearings. One WAS very shot and another was pitted; but the vibration
persists between 50 and 80 km/hr.

When you say you replaced all the shaft bearings, are you saying you replaced
the U-joints??
Bad u-joints don't always feel loose when you grab the shaft and wiggle it.
Sometimes they bind and have no freeplay at all but still give a vibration when
rotating, because they have been run dry and have pitted the bearing surfaces.
If they have been replaced, did you make sure the end caps were free to rotate
after assembly. I have seen them put on so tight that the yoke would stay in
one position if you laid the shaft horizontal and rotated it. The yoke should
be loose. I've also had the rear joint installed with one end cap not seated in
the grove, but rather up on the shouulder, and either will give you a vibration.

Good luck.
Hope this helps you out. Hate to see these nagging problems.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:16:47 EST
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - F150 - Temp Guage + Air Bags + Drive Shaft Problems

i dont know whwew y'all live but i saw onw which was a colission loss in
Harrys un Hazleton PA two weeks ago when i was there and it was pretty
complete
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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 13:49:20 -0800
From: Erston Reisch
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Drive Shaft Problems

"David J. Smith" wrote:
>
> 3. My drive shaft seems to cause a vibration that is felt in your seat
> as you drive. Wheels have been rebalanced. I have replaced all shaft
> bearings. One WAS very shot and another was pitted; but the vibration
> persists between 50 and 80 km/hr.

David/List,

My father had been complaining of a similar vibration in his '89 Ranger, even
after replacing the U-joints. When he had to replace the rear seal of the
transmission, he wisely had the shop send it out to a "driveshaft guy". The
guy checked the driveshaft for balance and found it was .020" out of alignment
(or something tiny like that).

A small adjustment later (with a heating torch and some artistry) and the
driveshaft was true. Now, the vibration in the truck is much much less (4.0l
V6, auto, x-cab) and it's quieter on the highway. The vibration was present
from the delivery of the truck, so at 145k it's almost like it's getting
younger. :-)

I recommend having the driveshaft checked for balance, and also finding an
independent shop that you trust with your truck & your credit card. Good luck!

- - Erston



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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 14:33:01 PST
From: "Casey Vandor"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Starter

The one thing I must say in chebbys defense, we have a top mount starter
on the 454 in the boat. Pull up the doghouse, one 2 gauge cable, two
bolts, installation is reverse of tear down or however haynes says that
so well.... Don't even have to get your hands dirty. Never understood
why they would use a bottom mount in a boat. Dirty, oily, wet, greasy,
hard to get to, up top just makes so much more sense.

Good Luck,

Casey Vandor
Home Page http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.tripod.com/CaseyV/
83 F-250 4X4
75 W-200 4X2


>>>>>>>>>>>
If your 81 is anything like the 300 six in my sons 95 it is the easiest
starter I've ever worked on. I can replace it in 15 minutes.
Disconnect
the ground lead on the battery. Go under the truck. Remove the wires
from
the starter.
>>>>>>>>>>>
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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 17:49:32 -0800
From: satkins1 mindspring.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Belt sizing after smog pump removal

Thanks Chris.


Steve Atkins
Wetumpka, AL

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From: Chris Hedemark
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, March 31, 1999 10:30 AM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Belt sizing after smog pump removal


>satkins1 mindspring.com wrote:
>>
>> I am removing the smog pump on a 1990 Bronco with a 5.0. Does anyone know
>> the part number or size of the belt I'm going to have to have?
>
>Hi Steve...
>
>One trick I've used is this. Get a length of twine, and run it around
>the accessories as you would a serpentine belt. Mark off the twin at
>the point where it reaches full-circle.
>
>Now take this twine to your parts store. They have a belt measuring
>device that will allow you to come up with a part number based on the
>length of the twine and how many ribs are in the serpentine belt you
>require.
>
>--
>
>Chris Hedemark
>Work: IBM eNetwork Dispatcher
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.software.ibm.com/enetwork/dispatcher
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> That our lads can make blood flow --
> That the Hedemarkers hale
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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:10:52 -0000
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Oil in the throttle body?

When I took off my Idle-Air Bypass Valve to replace it with a new one (my
idle has been rough/low lately) I noticed a bunch of oilon the valve and
inside the throttle body where the valve sits. I am trying to figure out
where this oil is coming from. I couldn't be blowby being shot all the way
through the intake manifold and past the throttle plates. I don't have much
blowby from the air box PCV filter (the filter is a little wet with oil.
The EGR is "downstream" of the throttle body on the manifold. Shouldn't
engine vacuum "pull" everything into the cylinders? This is driving me
nuts!!! BTW I pulled my plugs and they do not show any real oil fouling,
the electrodes are grey and fairly clean, and the gap is good...I am
STUMPED!!!

Rade Spasojevic -- rspasoje gte.net
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 16:06:58 -0800
From: "Mike"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Last thoughts on 84 F-250......

I paid about $8k for an 85 F250 4x4 SC 6.9 with banks turbo last year with
105k miles and a canopy. Clean truck with newer paint, new tires. Asking
was $10, 999. I;ve put about $500 into it so far.
Hard to find an older clean 4x4 SC turbo diesel.

mike

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From: Alan Alquist
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, March 31, 1999 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Last thoughts on 84 F-250......


>
>On Tue, 30 Mar 1999, Dave Harmier wrote:
>
>`Finally heard price today....$6895.00 :( Drove it.....Doesn't feel as
>cherry as it looks :( Do LOVE the way the 6.9 Dualled out exhaust Diesel
>felt :) The C-6 is SOLID as a rock...but needs another gear or overdrive
>___
>My algorithm for trucks in the Pacific NW (which is also high):
>
>NADA retail book value times 1.3...offer no more. If the truck is still
>there in 2 weeks offer again.
>
>My 86 F250 was lot-priced at $7995.00..I offered $4200.00...They came down
>to $5200.00...which is what I thought it was originally worth.
>
>...the lot gave the original owner $3000.00 trade-in for it. The lot
>detailed (in-out), advertised and painted the hood...plus a sellers
>fee...it was a win-win situation.
>
>good luck.
>
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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 19:19:54 EST
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Last thoughts on 84 F-250......

personally i think the truck is alot of money here in the northeast im
getting 1989 trucks for less than $4000 with lower mileage..
!989 f250 w hips diesel and assorted custom goodies went tor $5500
my 1989 F250 which is a 2wd has a twin that was just sold at a local dealer
with a leer cap for $3990..
both trucks had less than 90K on the clocks
so for a 1984 I personally wouldnt pay more than $2000 maybe $2500 if the
truck was SUPER sepcial
Bob
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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 19:44:39 +0200
From: "David Anderson (EUS)"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: Alldata

I have the Alldata CD and by far the best thing about this is the TSB info.
I would not depend on one of these as my only shop manual. They don't have
the depth that even Haynes does.

>>>>>>The cd-rom is 20.00 from autozone but you DON'T get the TSB's, from
Alldata its 24.95 and you DO get the TSB's. It may be a wash with
shipping though.
David Anderson


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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 17:08:32 PST
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