80-96-list-digest Wednesday, March 31 1999 Volume 03 : Number 090



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - electrical connection to differential -- why?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Dual Tank Question
Re: FTE 80-96 - Some thoughts on Truck purchase???
FTE 80-96 - Starter
RE: FTE 80-96 - electrical connection to differential -- why?
FTE 80-96 - RE: Alldat
FTE 80-96 - Discharge
Re: FTE 80-96 - High Temp Reads?
FTE 80-96 - One gauge, three sending units...
Re: FTE 80-96 - Clutch problem with 88 F150
FTE 80-96 - RE: starter
Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: starter
FTE 80-96 - Gunk Fuel Injector Cleaner
FTE 80-96 - Last thoughts on 84 F-250......
Re: FTE 80-96 - One gauge, three sending units...
Re: FTE 80-96 - Last thoughts on 84 F-250......
FTE 80-96 - F150 - Temp Guage + Air Bags + Drive Shaft Problems

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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 06:53:50 -0500
From: Jay Snyder
Subject: FTE 80-96 - electrical connection to differential -- why?

Why under my '87 F150, I noticed an electrical connector on
the differential. I initially thought this was a speedometer pickup,
as I've seen cars that have that. Then I niced a speedo cable
on the trans. Is this for the ABS? If I swap rears, do I need
one with this connector (I know the answer is yes if that is the
ABS connector).

Thanks,
Jay
'87 F150

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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 07:32:20 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Dual Tank Question

In a message dated 3/29/99 7:02:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, Bromfed1 aol.com
writes:


the
fly, and I was told yes. I have never had any problems yet... >>
I have dual tanks on my Flareside too. I change tanks on the fly all the time
and I haven't had any problems either.
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
"Hazardous Material"
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 10:18:13 -0600
From: "Greg Gilmore"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Some thoughts on Truck purchase???

Dave - I see your in Houston, we're sure getting washed out down here. If
you decide to look at new you might want to try http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.forddirect.com

They might be able to give you a quote on new at least.
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From: Dave Harmier
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, March 29, 1999 3:44 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Some thoughts on Truck purchase???


>Saw a CHERRY looking 84 F-250 Diesal (6.9)- Auto (almost surely C-6) at a
>local lot that ALWAYS has nice looking stuff.....on Friday night....was out
>of town sat.
>
>Interior is also very nice, including Dash...has power windows (and locks?)
>
>Have no idea about price or much else yet...will find out more Monday.
>
>Anyone have thoughts?????
>
>I use my truck for fairly heavy duty...at 45-60K miles a year.
>
>I want a new truck of course....but this 84 looks SO FINE....I'm
>tempted!!!!!!
>
>Stop me before I do something silly!!!!
>
>Dave H.
>Houston, TX
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 08:33:12 -0700
From: "Smeins, Larry"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Starter

If your 81 is anything like the 300 six in my sons 95 it is the easiest
starter I've ever worked on. I can replace it in 15 minutes. Disconnect
the ground lead on the battery. Go under the truck. Remove the wires from
the starter. Remove the two starter attachment bolts. Slide the starter
out. Slip the new one in place and reverse the procedure. The 95 has a
permanent magnet starter which is smaller than the electromagnet starter
that you probably have so our starter is smaller and a bit easier to handle
than yours.

Larry

Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 08:47:32 -0500
From: Andre Roy
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Starter

Hi there.

Looks like the starter in my '81 with the 300 six is going south (but
why in the spring? you head south in the fall, maybe it's going north).
Anyway, hit the ignition to the Start position and it will crank the
engine a couple of compressions, then the starter will start to
free-wheel. It takes a bit to get it started. :-(

So, any hints and tips on R&Ring the starter? Or, for that matter, hints
and tips on the cause and possible repairs?

At least it's finally warm enough to work without gloves and most of the
snow is gone.
- - --
Andre (crank-crank-whiirrrr, crank-crank-whiirrrr), Somewhere ...

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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 08:10:30 -0800
From: "Bud Dean"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - electrical connection to differential -- why?

On my '92 F250, that is a speed sensor for the rear ABS system

HTH,

Bud Dean

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Subject: FTE 80-96 - electrical connection to differential -- why?


Why under my '87 F150, I noticed an electrical connector on
the differential. I initially thought this was a speedometer pickup,
as I've seen cars that have that. Then I niced a speedo cable
on the trans. Is this for the ABS? If I swap rears, do I need
one with this connector (I know the answer is yes if that is the
ABS connector).

Thanks,
Jay
'87 F150

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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 11:34:39 -0600
From: vince a smith
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: Alldat

The cd-rom is 20.00 from autozone but you DON'T get the TSB's, from
Alldata its 24.95 and you DO get the TSB's. It may be a wash with
shipping though.
Vince

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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 13:29:54 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Discharge

Shy Anne writes: >> When I turn the headlights or a/c on it gets a lot lower.
now what?

Either you have another bad alternator or your voltage regulator is bad.
Whatever - it ain't charging. Look for corroded/loose connections at both the
alternator and the voltage regulator. Could be several things, but my bet is on
the voltage regulator, since you just changed out the alternator.

By the way, There will be no horses in heaven. No soul. Only Humans get this
priveledge.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 11:08:44 -0800
From: Al Alquist
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - High Temp Reads?

Jim Cannon wrote

I was thinking I could wire in a selector switch where I had one temp guage but
multiple senders mounted on the engine and change the selector to read coolant
temp in head, coolant coming out of radiator, and transmissionfluid temp just by
switching the slector around (one guage).


Yes, I've had this very same thought...a selectable mono- or multi-channel read
on myriad heat spots:

1) Upper and lower radiator temps; to catch early radiator flow/blockage problems

2) Integrated and separate temps from the glow-plug sites; to catch early glow
plug problems

3) Heater core inlet and outlet temps: to catch heater core problems.

4) Transmission; a must if you are pulling heavy towables

5) Exhaust: for those of us that spend at least 50% of our time in the big
mountains/ pulling heavy items up long grades, etc.


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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 15:10:56 -0700
From: "Tom Higgins"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - One gauge, three sending units...

Jim,

Your idea about one temperature gauge for three different
sending units interests me. I have had similar thoughts and
have even gone so far as to find temperature gauges with the
right range and different sending units in the J.C. Whitney catalog.
To date, I have gone no farther. If you do try this, please let us
know how it works and how you went about it.

Thanks,

Tom in Phoenix


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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:46:06 -0600
From: Mark Corboy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Clutch problem with 88 F150

Is the noise is like a cracking noise?
If yes, look upward under the dash at the area of the brake and
clutch pedals. Push on the clutch pedal, watch the other end of
the bell crank (the end closer to the gas pedal) Find the pushod
that move forward when you push on the clutch pedal. There is a
plastic retaining button (bushing)that snaps into the rod end.
This part acts as a retainer to connect the clutch pedal
bellcrank and the pushrod of the master cylinder. As this part
dies the fingers of the retainer fail and the clucth safety
switch becomes very difficult to operate. The part is very cheap
and only available from the ford store.
Mark Ponsford wrote:
>
> I know this has been dealt with on numerous occasions in the past, but I
> need a refresher.
>
> My clutch hadn't been workin all that great of late. The problem was slowly
> getting worse and worse. When I went to start the engine, I found my self
> having to really stand on the clutch pedal in order to get the starter
> motor to kickin. (Does anyone know what one can do to defeat that starter
> lockout switch on the clutch? I see there are about 6 wires going to it)
>
> Also, when I depressed the clutch and then start to release it, I got this
> strange snapping/popping noise coming out from under the dash. It was
> getting louder and louder as time went on.
>
> This past weekend I got under the dash with a trouble light and took a look
> at the clutch setup. I discovered that the lower mounting bolt for the
> master cylinder was moving around when the clutch was pressed and the
> firewall sheet metal where the clutch master cylinder bolts on is all
> cracked.
>
> I stacked a couple of large washers on the mounting stud and cinched it up.
>
> Problem fixed.
>
> I know there is a special bracket you can get from your friendly
> neigbourhood ford dealer to deal with this problem but I am wondering if
> it's worth it? How much does ford want for this bracket and does installing
> it mean having to take the whole clutch assembly apart? Is the top mounting
> bolt prone to cracking as well? Mine looks to be OK.
>
> cheers,
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Mark Ponsford 721-7397 or mponsfor uvic.ca
>
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 19:39:03 -0500
From: Paul M Radecki
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: starter

>>Anyway, hit the ignition to the Start position and it will crank the
>>engine a couple of compressions, then the starter will start to
>>free-wheel. It takes a bit to get it started. :-(

This happened to my '94, also with the 300ci six. The two bolts that
secure the actual starter motor in the starter housing/gearbox (not to be
confused with the two bolts that secure the starter unit to the
bellhousing) had loosened. I seem to recall having to drop the starter
to reach them, and they might have been weird fasteners like Torx or
something. It sure is nice when you can fix something for free; hope
your problem is that simple.

lordjanusz juno.com
'94 F150 300ci
'73 F100 360 (?) FE
'85 Honda Nighthawk 650 (is it spring yet?)
'97 Saturn SW2 (hers)
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 19:57:17 -0500
From: Andre Roy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: starter

Paul M Radecki wrote:
>
> >>Anyway, hit the ignition to the Start position and it will crank the
> >>engine a couple of compressions, then the starter will start to
> >>free-wheel. It takes a bit to get it started. :-(
>
> This happened to my '94, also with the 300ci six. The two bolts that
> secure the actual starter motor in the starter housing/gearbox (not to be
> confused with the two bolts that secure the starter unit to the
> bellhousing) had loosened. I seem to recall having to drop the starter
> to reach them, and they might have been weird fasteners like Torx or
> something. It sure is nice when you can fix something for free; hope
> your problem is that simple.
>
I havn't crawled under there yet (the mud! oh my God, the mud!) but I've
been fantasizing soemthing like that. It would go nice with that clunky
rattle at idle :-)
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Andre, Somewhere ...
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 21:56:31 -0600
From: "Justen R. Noakes"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Gunk Fuel Injector Cleaner

Fellow Fordsters:

With all the recent chat surrounding gas mileage, I started keeping closer
tabs on my
mileage. To my surprise I was getting a whopping 12 MPG in town and 14 MPG
on
the highway. This was a little concerning since I had just changed spark
plugs, plug
wires, fuel filter (with white plastic disconnectors), and verified timing.
After seeing a
commercial for Gunk Extra Fuel Injector Cleaner, I thought what the heck. I
cost less
than $3 at a local Wal-Mart.

I took a trip over the weekend. San Antonio to Wichita Falls TX, 350 miles
one way.
Before the trip up I placed a canister of the Gunk in the gas tank and ran
it through on
the way up, I got 13 MPG. However, on the way home (after one tank full in
town) I
got 17/18 MPG.

Since 90% of my traveling is in town, gas mileage is not that big of a
factor for me, but
a gain of 2-3 MPG is pretty cool.

No, I don't work for Gunk. Just an observation, or as they say "my $.02
worth".

Justen Noakes

'95 F-150, 4.9
'94 Thunderbird, 4.6

jrnoakes texas.net


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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 21:58:40 -0600
From: "Dave Harmier"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Last thoughts on 84 F-250......

`Finally heard price today....$6895.00 :(
Drove it.....Doesn't feel as cherry as it looks :(
Do LOVE the way the 6.9 Dualled out exhaust Diesel felt :)
The C-6 is SOLID as a rock...but needs another gear or overdrive :(
The thing didn't rattle or shake funny at all !
The steering left much to be desired!!!!

Also drove an 89 F-350 Ext cab long bed dually w/7.3 and 5 speed
Main problem with that beast was it was !!!!NOISY!!!!! the 6.9 just noisy.
And it was geared to pull the world....not to run highway and get
mileage!!!!

Gotta get my 150 paid off anyhow...be buying in 6 months or so.

Jim Cannon! If you want to see 'em, Old Fashioned Way Auto Sales in
Pearland is the place....email me for my phone number if you want to
talk/meet!!!!

Dave H.
dharmier NoSpam.gte.net
Houston, TX (Almeda Mall area)
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 22:03:26 -0600
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - One gauge, three sending units...

Perhaps someone else with some spare time/money will get to this before I
do. I have only done what you have done: find the proper parts in the JCW
catalog and think about it. The next step would be to find out how many
wires run from sensor to guage to find the proper selector to tie in. I was
thinking about a rotary style with about 6 or 8 positions where I could
select whichever sensor I was interested in. It won't happen this year.
Maybe after I sell that '63 Riviera...

At 15:10 30/03/99 -0700, Tom wrote:
>Jim,
>
>Your idea about one temperature gauge for three different
>sending units interests me. I have had similar thoughts and
>have even gone so far as to find temperature gauges with the
>right range and different sending units in the J.C. Whitney catalog.
>To date, I have gone no farther. If you do try this, please let us
>know how it works and how you went about it.
>

Jim Cannon
Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton
'63 Buick Riviera
'80 Ford F-150
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 22:08:32 -0600
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Last thoughts on 84 F-250......

At 21:58 30/03/99 -0600, you wrote:
>`Finally heard price today....$6895.00 :(
WOW, they are proud of that truck!

>Drove it.....Doesn't feel as cherry as it looks :(
>Do LOVE the way the 6.9 Dualled out exhaust Diesel felt :)
>The C-6 is SOLID as a rock...but needs another gear or overdrive :(
It was when Ford went to the OD trannies and the lock-up torque converters
that all the problems began, you will recall. I think the aftermarket
manual overdrive unit would do it.

>The thing didn't rattle or shake funny at all !
>The steering left much to be desired!!!!
>
>Also drove an 89 F-350 Ext cab long bed dually w/7.3 and 5 speed
>Main problem with that beast was it was !!!!NOISY!!!!! the 6.9 just noisy.
>And it was geared to pull the world....not to run highway and get
>mileage!!!!
>
>Gotta get my 150 paid off anyhow...be buying in 6 months or so.
>
>Jim Cannon! If you want to see 'em, Old Fashioned Way Auto Sales in
>Pearland is the place....email me for my phone number if you want to
>talk/meet!!!!
>
Will do.

Jim Cannon
Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton
'63 Buick Riviera
'80 Ford F-150
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 22:50:32 -0800
From: "David J. Smith"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - F150 - Temp Guage + Air Bags + Drive Shaft Problems

I have a '95 F150, 5.0L V8 Supercab 2WD with 130000 km.

Up until recently it has been rock solid; except now:

1. The temp gauge no longer works.
For a short while it failed intermitently, but then went stone dead. I
replaced the sensor on the block but it didn't help. My dealer says it
is the gauge itself and wants over $200 for the new part alone.

Can anyone offer an alternative to dropping my pants and bending over to
the dealer? Are there aftermarket replacement guages that will work?
Is removal of the dash panel a big job?

2. My Air Bag light is flashing a code 51. Again the dealer wants me
to drop my pants. Again the module part alone is over $200.
Am I taking a risk in replacing the original part myself with a used one
from a wrecker?
Apparently a code 51 relates to a system short and the module has blown
a fuse to prevent the bag from activating accidentally.
(Why they design a part with the fuse internally and non-replacable is
beyond me)

3. My drive shaft seems to cause a vibration that is felt in your seat
as you drive. Wheels have been rebalanced. I have replaced all shaft
bearings. One WAS very shot and another was pitted; but the vibration....


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