80-96-list-digest Thursday, January 14 1999 Volume 03 : Number 009



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - Surge/Miss and Header problem!
FTE 80-96 - checking for flatness
FTE 80-96 - 4 wheel drive slipping
FTE 80-96 - Gas gauge problems
FTE 80-96 - Need a 5th Gear
Re: FTE 80-96 - Ford Truck Enthusiasts T-shirts!
Re: FTE 80-96 - 1986 F-150 SURGE/MISS
Re: FTE 80-96 - Surge/Miss and Header problem!
RE: FTE 80-96 - Uh...no cam anyway.....92 F-150 5.0 177k miles... somewhat wor...
FTE 80-96 - Re: 5.0 Rangers in California?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Uh...no cam anyway.....92 F-150 5.0 177k miles...somewhat wor...
FTE 80-96 - Ref: Owners Manual
FTE 80-96 - My 92 F-150 again...intermittent pinging...
Re: FTE 80-96 - 1986 F-150 SURGE/MISS
Re: FTE 80-96 - Surge/Miss and Header problem!
Re: FTE 80-96 - Ref: Owners Manual
FTE 80-96 - E4OD
Re: FTE 80-96 - E4OD
FTE 80-96 - 460 F250
FTE 80-96 - Horsepower rating
Re: FTE 80-96 - E4OD

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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:24:30 -0500
From: "Golly, Scott M"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Surge/Miss and Header problem!

Hey list and specifically Bart:

I wrote yesterday about putting headers on my truck and having a weird miss
on light acceleration. I got a lot of good answers but ended up calling the
ford techline. Here is the SCOOP: I had cracked a spark plug that was so
finely cracked that inspection did not reveal it. The guy at the ford line
basically said that he would bet me 20 bucks so I just bought a set of
Platinum plugs, TA DA! Fixed and running like a raped ape, gosh I love my
truck!!!!! I would pull those plugs and consider changing them or taking
them back for a new set AND Ford said that wires 1 and 3 and 5 and 6 can't
be anywhere near each other or you will get crossfire. Buy a set of the
plastic wire separators and separate the lines.

Scott M. Golly
Researcher/Fire Protection Engineer

_________________You wrote
Date:Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:44:10 EST
From: CphgnCwby1 aol.com
Subject:


I SENT THIS MESSAGE, AND ONLY ONE PERSON SAW IT, JUST SENDING IT AGAIN TO
MAKE
SURE YOU SEE IT: THANKS

>>>>Hey guys, I have kinda a wierd problem here:

My '86 F-150 302 FI is idleing a little rough, but the main problem is that,
it "misses" under light throttle, but I can floor it, and it"takes off"
I have: TUNE-UP (SPARK PLUGS, WIRES, CAP/ROTOR)
Fuel Pressure Test-- 32psi-idle
40-43- idle w/o regulator
checked for codes-NONE
Has anyone ever had this sort of problem? TIA
BART
1986 F-150
302 FI

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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:56:12 EST
From: JSC721 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - checking for flatness

Hey Steve,

Thanks for all the info.The engine is good no smoke. the previous owner said
he had the top end of the engine rebuilt at 93k. Since I have the Van out of
service, and everything apart.
I am replacing the oil pump and oil pan gasket, (I get lower pressure when the
oil gets hot).

Replacing the rear main seal.
Replacing steering box, shot and leaking.
Dropping front fuel tank, and replacing fuel gauge sender.
Replacing distributor shaft gasket.
Servicing Driveshaft
Replace a few dry split vacuum lines that I found.

So you see, I have my work cut out for me, and will work continuously on this
van this week.I did everything else to it and this truck needs to work hard,
so I need it to be dependable.
thanks again ,

Joe-Flashwax.com
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 08:08:23 PST
From: "jake Miller"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 4 wheel drive slipping

I have a 1981 F-150. It has a 300 six with a 4 speed overdrive
transmission. It has a New Process 208 transfer case. The problem is
that when traveling down the road with the transfer case in 4 high at
speeds in excess of 25 miles per hour, the 4 wheel drive will slip out.
It then will go right back in. It makes a noise and shakes the truck
when it comes out. I believe it has something to do with the sliding
clutch in the transfer case. I had it apart once and replaced a spring.
That helped for awhile but now it is doing it again. Can anybody shed
some light on this problem?

Lester Miller
Welding Engineer

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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 11:35:51 -0500
From: John DeVincentis
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Gas gauge problems

I have a 92 F150 with dual tanks.
The last time I filled up both tanks, I noticed that the rear tank gauge
went completely to the right (full scale) and the front guage only went
to 3/4 tank. Driving during the week, tThe front tank gauge went from
3/4 to empty too fast and the rear tank guage is stuck full scale. Any
suggestions? Where should I start?

Thanks in advance for any help.

- --
Regards,
John Dee




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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 08:39:13 -0800
From: Eric Sneed
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Need a 5th Gear

Hey Group,
I Have a 90 1/2 ton 4x4 L6 300 4sp. Is there a tranny(ford) that will be
a direct replacement for the T-18 that I currently have. The truck turns
2650 rpm At 65mph w/32" tires. A perfect match would be my current
tranny with a overdrive.

Thanx in Advance

Seth Sneed
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:52:05 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Ford Truck Enthusiasts T-shirts!

In a message dated 1/12/99 11:26:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, JSC721 aol.com
writes:

>

Nope....but we can READ you! =)
Wayne
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:56:41 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 1986 F-150 SURGE/MISS

Well, it is an '86, it might be the EGR.
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:02:17 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Surge/Miss and Header problem!

Like a raped ape huh? I haven't had any experience with those. Sorry to hear
that you have. =)
Wayne
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:54:11 -0600
From: "Baldwin, Dave"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Uh...no cam anyway.....92 F-150 5.0 177k miles... somewhat wor...

- -----Original Message-----
Dave,
... First and foremost I have a 6050lb. Flareside. ... I know you emailed
me off list and I haven't had a chance to respond to you on it. If you check
out my PICS page you can see just what is involved in replacing the cam. ...
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Wayne,
Wrong Dave. This one did check out your website. Good of you to document
the process. Looks like you ripped out the radiator, fan shroud, etc, and
then you could replace the cam without removing the engine. Also appears
that you can just get "in there" with the engine so it's easier to work on.
Glad to hear that you got your problems fixed. I didn't think that you had
fried any electronics. They are fairly robust unless you start going inside
the module.

I was just wondering what the difference between the E303 and the stock
truck cam was. Why don't they just put this grind in stock if it's that
much better? Maybe because it'll tear up the AODE that I have!??!

Does your truck really weigh in at 6050 lbs? I thought that these were
around 4400 lbs., but then I've never weighed mine.

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Dave Baldwin
Dallas, TX
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 12:57:46 -0800
From: Vogt Family
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: 5.0 Rangers in California?

On 11 Jan 99 12:34:57 MST, Tim Clevenger wrote:
>
> Anybody out there drive a Ranger with a 5.0L or 5.7L in California? Please
> e-mail me off-list. I'm interested in hearing about your setup, any install
> problems you ran into, and what it's like getting smogged every two years.
> I'm interested in dropping a 5.0 and 5-speed into my '83 Ranger.

Not exactly what you were looking for, but I was in a class with a
fellow as he went through the rigamarole to get his Toyota with 4.3L
Chevy motor (I know...) smogged...there is no way a basic smog shop has
the authority to do the initial swap. You must take it to a place
called the "Referee". The way he described it, so long as the engine is
from the same or later year, has the stock controls and stock exhaust,
and passes smog from its own model year, the Referee will allow it. He
puts a new sticker under the hood which then allows any smog check
station to smog the car. Questions? Ask me.

Birken
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 16:05:49 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Uh...no cam anyway.....92 F-150 5.0 177k miles...somewhat wor...

Dave,
Sorry for any name infractions on my part. The E303 cam has a higher lift and
duration than the stock cams. The lift, though not much higher, gives the mix
more room to flow and of course the duration gives it more time to flow
through. The main reason all manufacturers don't put stuff like this on is
because they try to get the best mix between drivability, emissions and
comfort for the average driver. I am definitely not average so I don't count
and I'll continue to upgrade until it gets too expensive or other parts start
to break! And on the tearing up the AODE, that's what I have behind mine. Of
course If you don't have a chip or access to one, many different companies
make great shift kits for the AODE. If you go to either
Precision Industries Transmissions,
Art Carr Transmissions, or
Level 10 Products - Performance
Transmission ... they each have sections containing parts for the AODE.
(HINT: Get the valve body upgrade kit from Precision Industries). And actually
LEVEL10 has made their own chip to just reprogram the AODE for performance
applications. Unfortunately I can't utilize that chip because I already have
one in the access port. AND yes my truck does weigh (according to factory
sticker in door jamb) 6050 curb weight. My truck also came with the heavy duty
towing package so that may have something to do with the extra bulk and mines
also a Supercab.
I've rambled enough,
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside Supercab
Wayne's Flareside Page

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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 17:38:06 EST
From: Brazure1 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Ref: Owners Manual

Does anyone know a source for a good book on a 88 F250. I would like something
to help when I get into something with the truck.

Thanks

Joe leflar
Brazure1 aol.com
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 16:50:58 -0600
From: "Dave Harmier"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - My 92 F-150 again...intermittent pinging...

It pings occasionally, and also seems to maybe miss, (loaded acceleration
seems jerky at times)
My service writer at McCree is on vacation, but Bob talked to a tech, and
said (about ping) probably plug wire "cross talk".
My wires are Lifetime Autozone (which on the Dodge Newsgroup got Crapped
on!)

Could they be causing both symptoms?
Where do I get Good Wires??? Or what brand should I go for?

I think it'll get me by until an F-350 comes my way!

Thanks!

Dave H.
dharmier gte.net

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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 16:46:18 -0700
From: Fred Moreno
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 1986 F-150 SURGE/MISS

Joe writes;
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 1986 F-150 SURGE/MISS
In a message dated 1/12/99 11:51:00 PM !!!First Boot!!!,
CphgnCwby1 aol.com
writes:


Has anyone ever had this sort of problem? TIA
>>
Possibly timing.... I would start there...

Joe
Lost in Jersey
Hey Joe (that's part of the lyrics for a song ...)

I had the same situtation occur to me, and in my case I had not snapped the
spark plug wire terminal onto the spark plug. The boot itself felt tight and
looked like it was on, but when I went around checking all the boots by
unplugging and plugging them back in, one felt did not "click" when pulled
off. I had not gotten the terminal correctly on the plug. I got in on
correctly and that solved my problem.
Do route your wires according to the sticker under the hood, that is
important also, and yes I made that mistake of believing it was prettier to
do it my way....not a good idea.
Good luck to you.

Fred Moreno
Autotronic Controls Corp. - Alternative Fuels div.
1995 F-150 EB 4X4, 5.0L, 5 speed with propane and propane accessories
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 18:44:02 EST
From: CphgnCwby1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Surge/Miss and Header problem!

you said something about a ford tech line? What is it, what the phone
number/web address
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:09:25 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Ref: Owners Manual

There are several good sources of info on our trucks. The four best are of
course the Factory service manual, F-Series Owners Bible, and Haynes or
Chiltons manuals. You could get any of them online through barnesandnoble.com

Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside Supercab
Wayne's Flareside Page
In a message dated 1/13/99 5:46:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, Brazure1 aol.com
writes:

something
to help when I get into something with the truck.

Thanks

Joe leflar
Brazure1 aol.com >>
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 17:05:14 -0800
From: Dana Bartholomew
Subject: FTE 80-96 - E4OD

Has anyone had an E4OD tranny rebuilt? If so, what was the cost? I'm
bringing my 1993 F350 in to have a diagnostic run on it and out of
curiosity I asked what the cost was on a rebuild. To my surprise it was
between $1800 and $2000. I called a couple of shops and got about the
same quote. I just had a C-6 rebuilt for my '77 and it only cost me
$350. Is this the going rate for an E4OD?

The truck has 93k on it and I don't know if the tranny has ever been
touched. I am bringing it in because it goes into lock-up right after
shifting into second. One shop said that that was normal and another
said it was a potential problem. I'm running my codes tonight after
work so I'll see if anything indicating a problem comes up there.

Does a tranny shop get the same info when they do a diagnostic as I will
get by reading my codes?

I'm going to pick up my truck from the spring shop tonight. Re-arched
springs, two added leafs and no more superlift block. I'll let you all
know if it cures my axle wrap problem.

Thanks,

Dana Bartholomew
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 17:10:44 -0800
From: johny
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - E4OD

I can't comment on the cost, but here's a 2nd opinion.
He's pretty good.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thegrid.net/thedrivetrainpage/

Dana Bartholomew wrote:

> Has anyone had an E4OD tranny rebuilt? If so, what was the cost? I'm
> bringing my 1993 F350 in to have a diagnostic run on it and out of
> curiosity I asked what the cost was on a rebuild. To my surprise it was
> between $1800 and $2000. I called a couple of shops and got about the
> same quote. I just had a C-6 rebuilt for my '77 and it only cost me
> $350. Is this the going rate for an E4OD?
>
> The truck has 93k on it and I don't know if the tranny has ever been
> touched. I am bringing it in because it goes into lock-up right after
> shifting into second. One shop said that that was normal and another
> said it was a potential problem. I'm running my codes tonight after
> work so I'll see if anything indicating a problem comes up there.
>
> Does a tranny shop get the same info when they do a diagnostic as I will
> get by reading my codes?
>
> I'm going to pick up my truck from the spring shop tonight. Re-arched
> springs, two added leafs and no more superlift block. I'll let you all
> know if it cures my axle wrap problem.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dana Bartholomew
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:01:13 -0700
From: "The Alaskans"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 460 F250

Can anyone tell me the horsepower rating and Torque for a 460/7.5L in a
1996 F250 4WD???
- -----Original Message-----
From: Dana Bartholomew
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 6:14 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - E4OD


:Has anyone had an E4OD tranny rebuilt? If so, what was the cost? I'm
:bringing my 1993 F350 in to have a diagnostic run on it and out of
:curiosity I asked what the cost was on a rebuild. To my surprise it was
:between $1800 and $2000. I called a couple of shops and got about the
:same quote. I just had a C-6 rebuilt for my '77 and it only cost me
:$350. Is this the going rate for an E4OD?
:
:The truck has 93k on it and I don't know if the tranny has ever been
:touched. I am bringing it in because it goes into lock-up right after
:shifting into second. One shop said that that was normal and another
:said it was a potential problem. I'm running my codes tonight after
:work so I'll see if anything indicating a problem comes up there.
:
:Does a tranny shop get the same info when they do a diagnostic as I will
:get by reading my codes?
:
:I'm going to pick up my truck from the spring shop tonight. Re-arched
:springs, two added leafs and no more superlift block. I'll let you all
:know if it cures my axle wrap problem.
:
:Thanks,
:
:Dana Bartholomew
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:25:04 -0700
From: "The Alaskans"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Horsepower rating

Can anybody tell me the horsepower and torque rating for a 1996 460/7.5L in....


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