80-96-list-digest Saturday, March 27 1999 Volume 03 : Number 086



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In this issue:

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RE: FTE 80-96 - faulty ignition switch!!
FTE 80-96 - KEY SWITCH PROBLEMS
Re: FTE 80-96 - Straight Axle swap - 91 F250
FTE 80-96 - Specs
Re: FTE 80-96 - lift..
FTE 80-96 - Fuel Filter
Re: FTE 80-96 - Fuel Filter
FTE 80-96 - lift kit
Re: FTE 80-96 - lift kit
FTE 80-96 - High Temp Reads?
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Re: FTE 80-96 - High Temp Reads?
Re: FTE 80-96 - High Temp Reads?
Re: FTE 80-96 - High Temp Reads?
Re: FTE 80-96 - High Temp Reads?
RE: FTE 80-96 - High Temp Reads?
RE: FTE 80-96 - High Temp Reads?

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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:21:24 -0500
From: "Kevin Reed"
Subject: [none]

Does any body know, or know where to find specs on an 86-F150 302. Bore and
Stroke I have (that's easy), I'm just looking for HP ???? rpm & Torque ????
rpm.

Does any body know of some cost effective mods that can be done to this
engine it increase the HP & Torque.

Thanks in Advance,

Kevin Reed
Burlington, Ontario, CANADA.



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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:33:41 -0700
From: Bret Godfrey
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - faulty ignition switch!!

I replaced my ignition switch last night and everything went fairly
smooth. Thank you for the info.
91' f-150 -bret
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:31:52 -0700
From: "Ellsworth, Sam"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - KEY SWITCH PROBLEMS

I just got done replacing an "actuator" in my 88 f-150 4x4. the actuator
was only 9.00$
but hours to replace it. if you have tilt wheel it is that much harder.
which of course I had.
you have to take part of the lower dash off, unbolt the column from the
dash brackets, remove the screws from the bottom side of the column and
the back of the steering wheel. pull the wheel with the wheel puller,
and start digging, remembering where everything went. I called the parts
guy and he was kind enough to stop by on his way home from work and give
me a few pointers. he said usually your blinker setup won't work and you
have to buy a new 80.00$ harness. by the way mine worked, (knock on
wood). to get the tilt wheel apart, you have to take the same size
screw/bolt that holds the front hubs on (8-32 or 10-32) I think. and
screw it into the pivot points of the tilt.
anyway, it is quite involved. I didn't think I could do it once I got in
there, but I lived to tell about it and it all still works. I even
sanded down the contacts on the cruise control and took the
dash/instrument cover and gave it a good cleaning.
if you have any questions, feel free to e-mail me.
cheers,
sam ellsworth
88 f-150 4x4 (daily driver for now) 143k, 33" tires limited slip axle,
poor mileage
69 falcon futura 4-door
94 dodge intrepid (wife's)
83 mazda glc (work car, needs work)
78 granada parts for falcons (parting out) 6 cyl, c-4, 9"
74 & 79 jeep cherokees (long term projects)

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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:47:52 EST
From: A4T1RAT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Straight Axle swap - 91 F250

This swap is a piece of cake.... bolts right in all you need to do it remove
all brackets for the TTB and add the panhard rod and bracket for the D-60 and
your done !
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 11:09:39 -0500
From: "Kevin Reed"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Specs

Does any body know, or know where to find specs on an 86-F150 302. Bore and
Stroke I have (that's easy), I'm just looking for HP ???? rpm & Torque ????
rpm.

Does any body know of some cost effective mods that can be done to this
engine it increase the HP & Torque.

Thanks in Advance,

Kevin Reed
Burlington, Ontario, CANADA.

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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:01:53 -0000
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - lift..

WOW, I didn't realize 2WD Ford were so low to the ground (all our trucks
have been 4WD--sorry). If you want a cheaper and easier way to lift it, I
think you can use the coil springs from a 2WD F-250, and an add-a-leaf in
back. The F-250 and F-150 use the same front suspension in 2WD form so the
heavier springs should work.

Rade
- -----Original Message-----
From: shy anne
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, March 25, 1999 11:45 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - lift..


>Yes it is a 2wd. The tires are 31x10.5
>here is pic...
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/heartland/pointe/5898/red4.jpgwhen i hit a bump
>or turn a sharp corner, the tire hits the truck.
>
>--- Radoje Spasojevic wrote:
>> Your truck is 2wd right? If so it is fairly easy to
>> lift it as there are
>> several manufacturers that make lifts for 2wd Fords.
>> If it is a 4WD and you
>> are not planning on doing any hardcore offroading
>> then a body lift woud be
>> my suggestion. They are MUCH easier to install, and
>> will not affect the
>> handling of your truck as much as a suspension lift.
>> A body lift would work
>> just fine on a 2WD truck too. What size tires do you
>> have? I have
>> 31x10.50's and they fit just fine on my Bronco.
>> 32x11.50 are about the
>> biggest tires you can fit on a 4WD Ford F-150/Bronco
>> without a lift.
>>
>> Rade
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: shy anne
>> To: ford maillist
>> Date: Thursday, March 25, 1999 4:41 AM
>> Subject: FTE 80-96 - lift..
>>
>>
>> >I got bigger tires for my truck but they are almost
>> too big for the
>> >front. i don't want to get smaller tires. i would
>> like to lift the
>> >front up some.
>> >(actually i would love to lift it up a lot but...)
>> >how can i do that. if yall want, i can post a
>> picture to show how it
>> >is.
>> >thanks!
>> >shy
>> >
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>> are no horses."
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:14:54 -0800
From: Vogt Family
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Fuel Filter

On Wed, 24 Mar 1999, "Chuck" wrote:
> >
> > Help......
> > Is there a trick to removing the fuel filter on a 93 F150?
> > I removed the two clips but could not get the fuel lines off.
> > What am I missing?...a special tool maybe?...
> >
>
> don't force it, it requires a special tool that fits over the line and
> slides inside the line and releases the pins inside the line. The special
> tool set for different line sizes cost me $9 at a local parts store, you can
> also have them show you exactly how to use it.

Actually, he is referring to a different type of connection. Once the
two U-shaped clips are removed the lines come off (with a little
persuasion) Yes, you can buy the releaser set at the auto parts store
for the circular ones, and yes they do work, but in my experience they
are the hardest thing ever invented on a car. Good thing I had it on a
lift when I did it, if it had been on the ground I would probably have
got so mad I would have set fire to that van or something. And it
turned out not to be even necessary. Someone has to know, is there a
more professional tool than the white plastic ones?

Birken
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:53:00 EST
From: FULSZBRONC aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Fuel Filter

In a message dated 3/26/99 11:22:04 AM Mountain Standard Time, vogt oro.net
writes:


more professional tool than the white plastic ones?
>>
Hunt down a Snap-On Rep, he had the correct tool for those darn fuel filters
in his Blue Point line. Cost around $35. Those cheap plastic ones are really
meant for the Ford a\c line connectors, and as a fleet mechanic I can tell
you that I've never seen anyone have any luck with them.
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 15:21:44 -0500 (EST)
From: pdonk webtv.net (Philip Donk)
Subject: FTE 80-96 - lift kit

I have a 1995 Ford F150 4x4 and I wanting to know if there is any easy
way to raise my front end about 2 inches. I don't know if anything has
been done to it, but the rear end is considerably higher than the front
end so I am wanting to raise the front to even it out a little bit. I
guess what I'm really wanting to know is, is there any way I can do this
without taking the whole thing apart

Thank you.

Philip J. Donk

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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:52:30 -0800 (PST)
From: shy anne
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - lift kit

- --- Philip Donk wrote:
> I have a 1995 Ford F150 4x4 and I wanting to know if
> there is any easy
> way to raise my front end about 2 inches. I don't
> know if anything has
> been done to it, but the rear end is considerably
> higher than the front
> end so I am wanting to raise the front to even it out
> a little bit. I
> guess what I'm really wanting to know is, is there
> any way I can do this
> without taking the whole thing apart
>
> Thank you.
>
> Philip J. Donk
>
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 14:28:11 -0800 (PST)
From: Alan Alquist
Subject: FTE 80-96 - High Temp Reads?

Occassionally my 'in-dash' temp gauge will suddenly go from exact
middle to very high normal in my 6.9L diesel (Int-Navistar; '86 F-250).
This is upsetting. Excessive high heat in the engine or tranny is not in
my comfort zone.

...however, I am not certain this is an accurate depiction of engine temp!
My exhaust temp does not change (300-500 deg F) when the in-dash bump-up
occurs. Seems to me my exhaust and tranny pyrometers would pick-up on
temperature variations as the in-dasher would.

Can anybody offer up any explanation here?

...oh yea, I've replaced the temperature sending unit (with no change in
gauge-behavior).

...one other odd thing: oil pressure gauge and fuel gauge shift to the
right at the same time the temp gauge goes v. high normal (right).

Ground fault?...Fuse block short?...Help!! I use my truck alot to pull my
7,000 lb 5th wheel and odd jobs.

- -Wet, but hopefully not HOT, in Seattle

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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 15:09:55 PST
From: "Casey Vandor"
Subject: [none]

Havn't ever messed with EGR before. Is this going to be the same
procedure as the brake booster? From the message it sounds as though it
might be stuck open. SHould I pull it, then watch it at startup?

>>>>>
Have you pulled the vacuum line off the EGR valve?
When you first start the truck , the EGR valve should not have vaccum
toit.
After it heats(truck) the vacuum motor apllies the vacuum to the EGR
valve, which makes it open. If the EGR valve is open at start up it
causes a rough idle, I had this problem.Trying to help.Cannon
>>>>>

Thanks,
Casey Vandor
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 17:28:09 -0800
From: Bob Kennedy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - High Temp Reads?

Sounds like you are loosing a ground. You might want to run a frame to engine
ground.


Alan Alquist wrote:

>
>
> ...one other odd thing: oil pressure gauge and fuel gauge shift to the
> right at the same time the temp gauge goes v. high normal (right).
>
> Ground fault?...Fuse block short?...Help!! I use my truck alot to pull my
> 7,000 lb 5th wheel and odd jobs.
>
> -Wet, but hopefully not HOT, in Seattle
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 19:24:06 -0600
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - High Temp Reads?

You have the classic symptoms of Ford's Fine Guages! There is a little
Instrument Voltage Regulator behind the instrument cluster that sometimes
decides not to bother regulating the voltage to the instruments. When it
does, all the guages swing high, just as you describe. Replacing the IVR
does not usually help all that much. I have learned to keep track of my
fuel and ignore the high temp when I have more fuel now than I did 5
minutes ago. What a pain. I pick up IVRs at junkyards usually for $1 or $2.
Some work better than others. Don't pay Ford $17 for a new one! There is
talk of making a solid state electronic replacement for the old POS Ford
IVR. I have the parts but never bothered to put it together.

At 14:28 26/03/99 -0800, you wrote:
>
>Occassionally my 'in-dash' temp gauge will suddenly go from exact
>middle to very high normal in my 6.9L diesel (Int-Navistar; '86 F-250).
>This is upsetting. Excessive high heat in the engine or tranny is not in
>my comfort zone.
>
>...however, I am not certain this is an accurate depiction of engine temp!
>My exhaust temp does not change (300-500 deg F) when the in-dash bump-up
>occurs. Seems to me my exhaust and tranny pyrometers would pick-up on
>temperature variations as the in-dasher would.
>
>Can anybody offer up any explanation here?
>
>...oh yea, I've replaced the temperature sending unit (with no change in
>gauge-behavior).
>
>...one other odd thing: oil pressure gauge and fuel gauge shift to the
>right at the same time the temp gauge goes v. high normal (right).
>
>Ground fault?...Fuse block short?...Help!! I use my truck alot to pull my
>7,000 lb 5th wheel and odd jobs.
>
>-Wet, but hopefully not HOT, in Seattle
>
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Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton
'63 Buick Riviera
'80 Ford F-150
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 17:58:00 -0800 (PST)
From: Alan Alquist
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - High Temp Reads?

I drive by exhaust and tranny temp temp for the most part; keeping
and 170 degrees F, respectively. Think this will suffice or should I
get on with trying to perfect the IVR. Any opinions?

..by the way, thanks Jim...astute insight.

On
Fri, 26 Mar 1999, Jim Cannon wrote:

You have the classic symptoms of Ford's Fine Guages! There is a little
Instrument Voltage Regulator behind the instrument cluster that sometimes
decides not to bother regulating the voltage to the instruments. When it
does, all the guages swing high, just as you describe. Replacing the IVR
does not usually help all that much. I have learned to keep track of my
fuel and ignore the high temp when I have more fuel now than I did 5
minutes ago. What a pain. I pick up IVRs at junkyards usually for $1 or $2.
Some work better than others. Don't pay Ford $17 for a new one! There is
talk of making a solid state electronic replacement for the old POS Ford
IVR. I have the parts but never bothered to put it together.

At 14:28 26/03/99 -0800, you wrote:
>
>Occassionally my 'in-dash' temp gauge will suddenly go from exact
>middle to very high normal in my 6.9L diesel (Int-Navistar; '86 F-250).
>This is upsetting. Excessive high heat in the engine or tranny is not in
>my comfort zone.
>
>...however, I am not certain this is an accurate depiction of engine temp!
>My exhaust temp does not change (300-500 deg F) when the in-dash bump-up
>occurs. Seems to me my exhaust and tranny pyrometers would pick-up on
>temperature variations as the in-dasher would.
>
>Can anybody offer up any explanation here?
>
>...oh yea, I've replaced the temperature sending unit (with no change in
>gauge-behavior).
>
>...one other odd thing: oil pressure gauge and fuel gauge shift to the
>right at the same time the temp gauge goes v. high normal (right).
>
>Ground fault?...Fuse block short?...Help!! I use my truck alot to pull my
>7,000 lb 5th wheel and odd jobs.
>
>-Wet, but hopefully not HOT, in Seattle
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Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton
'63 Buick Riviera
'80 Ford F-150
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 20:11:13 -0600 (CST)
From: Judith Grunberger
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - High Temp Reads?

On Fri, 26 Mar 1999, Jim Cannon wrote:

> You have the classic symptoms of Ford's Fine Guages! There is a little
> Instrument Voltage Regulator behind the instrument cluster that sometimes
> decides not to bother regulating the voltage to the instruments. When it
> does, all the guages swing high, just as you describe. Replacing the IVR
> does not usually help all that much. I have learned to keep track of my
> fuel and ignore the high temp when I have more fuel now than I did 5
> minutes ago. What a pain. I pick up IVRs at junkyards usually for $1 or $2.
> Some work better than others. Don't pay Ford $17 for a new one! There is
> talk of making a solid state electronic replacement for the old POS Ford
> IVR. I have the parts but never bothered to put it together.

I'll second this. Whacking the dash usually provided a temporary fix. Heh.

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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 22:34:50 -0600
From: "Harris, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - High Temp Reads?

Possibly sticking thermostat....I had the same problem, temp would sky
rocket for about 30 seconds then dive back to low temp.
Replaced it and no more problems!

> -----Original Message-----
> From:Alan Alquist [SMTP:flag u.washington.edu]
> Sent:Friday, March 26, 1999 4:28 PM
> To:80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject:FTE 80-96 - High Temp Reads?
>
>
> Occassionally my 'in-dash' temp gauge will suddenly go from exact
> middle to very high normal in my 6.9L diesel (Int-Navistar; '86 F-250).
> This is upsetting. Excessive high heat in the engine or tranny is not in
> my comfort zone.
>
> ...however, I am not certain this is an accurate depiction of engine temp!
> My exhaust temp does not change (300-500 deg F) when the in-dash bump-up
> occurs. Seems to me my exhaust and tranny pyrometers would pick-up on
> temperature variations as the in-dasher would.
>
> Can anybody offer up any explanation here?
>
> ...oh yea, I've replaced the temperature sending unit (with no change in
> gauge-behavior).
>
> ...one other odd thing: oil pressure gauge and fuel gauge shift to the
> right at the same time the temp gauge goes v. high normal (right).
>
> Ground fault?...Fuse block short?...Help!! I use my truck alot to pull my
> 7,000 lb 5th wheel and odd jobs.
>
> -Wet, but hopefully not HOT, in Seattle
>
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Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 00:03:11 -0800 (PST)
From: Alan Alquist
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - High Temp Reads?

I replace my thermostats, radiator caps, hoses and coolant aliquots (on
all my vehicles; as I do mtn. search and rescue) every 12 months--these
items are inexpensive and not the problem...I still suspect electrical and
still suspect this may not be easy to solve.

...thanks for temp-control maint.-comment.

On Fri,
26 Mar 1999, Harris, Scott wrote:

Possibly sticking thermostat....I had the same problem, temp would sky
rocket for about 30 seconds then dive back to low temp.
Replaced it and no more problems!

> -----Original Message-----
> From:Alan Alquist [SMTP:flag u.washington.edu]
> Sent:Friday, March 26, 1999 4:28 PM
> To:80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject:FTE 80-96 - High Temp Reads?
>
>
> Occassionally my 'in-dash' temp gauge will suddenly go from exact
> middle to very high normal in my 6.9L diesel (Int-Navistar; '86 F-250).
> This is upsetting. Excessive high heat in the engine or tranny is not in
> my comfort zone.
>
> ...however, I am not certain this is an accurate depiction of engine temp!
> My exhaust temp does not change (300-500 deg F) when the in-dash bump-up
> occurs. Seems to me my exhaust and tranny pyrometers would pick-up on
> temperature variations as the in-dasher would.
>
> Can anybody offer up any explanation here?
>
> ...oh yea, I've replaced the temperature sending unit (with no change in
> gauge-behavior).
>
> ...one other odd thing: oil pressure gauge and fuel gauge shift to the
> right at the same time the temp gauge goes v. high normal (right).....


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