80-96-list-digest Wednesday, March 17 1999 Volume 03 : Number 076



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - diferential identification
FTE 80-96 - Gear box?
RE: FTE 80-96 - Gear box?
RE: FTE 80-96 - Gear box?
FTE 80-96 - Rear drum pad clearance?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Gear box?
Re: FTE 80-96 - diferential identification
Re: FTE 80-96 - Gear box?
FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Daily digests
FTE 80-96 - Re: Shawns Troubles
Re: FTE 80-96 - diferential identification
Re: FTE 80-96 - Gear box?
FTE 80-96 - Re: Shawns Troubles
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Shawns Troubles
RE: FTE 80-96 - Gear box?
FTE 80-96 - F-150 Model Distinctions
RE: FTE 80-96 - F-150 Model Distinctions
Re: FTE 80-96 - Gear box?
RE: FTE 80-96 - F-150 Model Distinctions
FTE 80-96 - Engine options
Re: FTE 80-96 - Rear drum pad clearance?

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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:31:12 -0500
From: Christopher Tomlinson
Subject: FTE 80-96 - diferential identification

Hello,
I would like some help identifying the type of differential that I have
Reading my manuals it states that I need to put in a special type of oil
if I have a limited slip differential. The identification # that I took
off the unit are top row left to right S808D bottom row left to
right, 3 55 88 8C1 The truck in question is a 1988 f150 302 5 speed
manual transmission.
Thanks
Christopher Tomlinson
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:16:41 -0600
From: Steve Randa
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Gear box?

I've got a small amount of slop either way I turn the steering wheel
before I feel any resistance and the wheels actually turn. Is this
something that can be adjusted?

Steve Randa
'84 F150
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:35:46 -0500
From: "Kevin Reed"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Gear box?

A friend of mine had a similar problem. Most of his slack came from a
broken shaft in his steering column. The two sections which adjusted for
tilt steering had broken apart and caused tons of slop. THIS CAN BE VERY
DANGEROUS and it would be well worth your while to have someone hold your
input shaft into your gear box while you turn the steering wheel to check
for excessive play. I think the repair cost about $150 for parts. Good
Luck.



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> To: FTE 80-96
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - Gear box?
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>
> I've got a small amount of slop either way I turn the steering wheel
> before I feel any resistance and the wheels actually turn. Is this
> something that can be adjusted?
>
> Steve Randa
> '84 F150
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:52:16 -0500
From: Greg Carter
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Gear box?

First have a friend move the steering wheel back and forth without actually
turning the wheels (i.e. in the arc of play). While you look at the
steering linkage. If the linkage doesn't move then you can adjust your
steering box, see below. If it moves than you have play in the linkage and
you'll have to determine what is worn and replace it.

I have never done it on a late mode truck, but usually on the steering box
is a slotted screw, with a nut that locks it tight. It is on top of the
steering box. Break the nut loose, then tighten the screw. But don't do it
much or your wheel wont return to center after a turn. You should be able
to find the procedure in any manual. Make sure to tighten the nut after
adjusting the screw.
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Greg Carter, Entrust Technologies
greg.carter entrust.com


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> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 10:16 AM
> To: FTE 80-96
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - Gear box?
>
> I've got a small amount of slop either way I turn the steering wheel
> before I feel any resistance and the wheels actually turn. Is this
> something that can be adjusted?
>
> Steve Randa
> '84 F150
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:10:22 -0800
From: "Bud Dean"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Rear drum pad clearance?

Hi,

I have a 92 F250. I just did new drums and pads. Is there a clearance
specification for the pads on the rear brakes? Something you could use a
feeler gage for?

Both the shop manual and the Haynes manual say to make sure the wheel moves
freely...a friend of mine said adjust the pads until when you spin the wheel
as hard as you can, the tire moves only one rotation...

The problem I'm having is on braking, I feel a little skipping or dragging
and release, almost like the pads grab in certain spots.

Any help or ideas would sure be appreciated..

Thanks in advance,

Bud Dean


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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:15:57 -0600
From: Steve Randa
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Gear box?

Greg Carter wrote:
>
> First have a friend move the steering wheel back and forth without actually
> turning the wheels (i.e. in the arc of play). While you look at the
> steering linkage. If the linkage doesn't move then you can adjust your
> steering box, see below. If it moves than you have play in the linkage and
> you'll have to determine what is worn and replace it.
>


Hi Greg,

I would think the exact opposite. Let me know if I'm way off here... but
my lingage moves identical to the steering wheel (in Park, engine off)
which to me indicates the problem would lie in the steering box itself.
What do think?

Steve
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:34:11 -0500
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - diferential identification

I would like some help identifying the type of differential that I have
Reading my manuals it states that I need to put in a special type of oil
if I have a limited slip differential. The identification # that I took
off the unit are top row left to right S808D bottom row left to
right, 3 55 88 8C1 The truck in question is a 1988 f150 302 5 speed
manual transmission.
It is an 8.8" with 3.55 gears but wether or not its limited slip i don't
know. The special oil is just a Ford sythetic with friction modifier.
Chris
94 Lightning #381
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:41:11 EST
From: FULSZBRONC aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Gear box?

Chances are if your gear box is out of adjustment as you described, you have
damage or wear in your box, and it'll need to be replaced. In the last year
I've replaced the boxes with a rebuilds in both my Bronco and E-150. I tried
to adjust them to take the center play out of them first, but that caused
binding when the wheel was turned to the left or right limit. The CarQuest
parts store I deal with has remans on the shelf and sell quite a few of
them....does this tell you anything? They cost about $325 exchange and, with
the right tools, take about an hour to swap out. If you do it, don't forget
to flush your pump and lines before running it.
Good Luck
Mike

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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:07:52 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Daily digests

Please do not email me asking why you aren't getting a
digest every day! I'm sick of the dozen queries each
day. Take a small moment to look at the digest numbers
and you'll see that the digests are consecutive. No
digests are lost and it only takes a small moment of
your time to verify this.

When list traffic slows down, the digests don't meet
the minimum size for transmission on a daily basis.

Ken Payne
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:27:14 -0600
From: "David Anderson (EUS)"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Shawns Troubles

>>Of your problems Shawn, I share:

Brakes, E4OD, Manifold crack, A/C Compressor, and Condenser? (the one in
the dash) , Passanger power lock actuator, and Leaky rear main seal.....

That said, I still like my Ford better than any Chevy, and most
Dodges!!!!

We have grown used to better quality products over the years. We get less
of the little stuff going wrong and there is less stuff to maintain on a
regular basis (like pionts, timing, etc). I never minded fixing small stuff
anyway. What I don't like is the trend I see for big expensive items like
transmissions to go bad. I've owned and driven vehicles for 30 years and
transmissions, manual or automatic, rarely failed unless they were abused.
Now, soccer mom's everywhere expect their Chrysl stuff to need a trans every
70 K miles and Ford I think ranks a close second. Maybe Chev* with their
new electronic trans controls will join the unreliable transmission club.
Sorry, just needed to vent this.
David Anderson


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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:46:11 -0800
From: Mark Ponsford
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - diferential identification

>I would like some help identifying the type of differential that I have
>Reading my manuals it states that I need to put in a special type of oil
>if I have a limited slip differential. The identification # that I took
>off the unit are top row left to right S808D bottom row left to
>right, 3 55 88 8C1 The truck in question is a 1988 f150 302 5 speed
>manual transmission.
>It is an 8.8" with 3.55 gears but wether or not its limited slip i don't
>know. The special oil is just a Ford sythetic with friction modifier.
>Chris
>94 Lightning #381

What is the axle code listed on the saftey compliance sticker located on
the driver's side door jamb?


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Mark Ponsford721-7397 or mponsfor uvic.ca


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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:20:04 EST
From: JSC721 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Gear box?

I replaced the gearbox in my 89 E-250, and paid about 160 bucks at autozone
for a rebuilt unit. It works great. But , pull out your old one first, because
they charge 180 bucks for the core.

Joe
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:49:37 PST
From: "Casey Vandor"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Shawns Troubles

I know this below the belt and evil here but...... I am happy to see
that my Ford is not the only one that cost more to fix per mile than
paying 1.35/gallon and only getting 14-15 mpg out of it. Good luck with
the truck as always, and as I have found out, there is only *so* much
stuff that can break on a truck, so while it is a losing battle now, it
does get better.

>>>>>>>>>>>>
It is really kind of sad. The previous owner's records indicate that he
went to considerable effort to stay on top of the maintenance, take care
of
>>>>>>>>>>>>
Casey Vandor
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:42:24 EST
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Shawns Troubles

yeah but if ya get a babied truck and beat the heck out of it.. things will
break.. my Ford is still the best truck ive ever owned
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:13:22 -0500
From: Greg Carter
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Gear box?

If the linkage moves when you turn the wheel then the box is 'transmitting'
the movement from the wheel to the linkage. If there is significant
movement of the linkage before your wheels move then there is play in the
linkage, which wouldn't surprise me on an '84. But it also wouldn't
surprise me if the steering box was wearing out as well. I have adjusted
them on cars before and taken a lot of play out of them.
Good luck.
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Greg Carter, Entrust Technologies
greg.carter entrust.com


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> From: Steve Randa[SMTP:sranda ch-advertising.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 12:15 PM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Gear box?
>
>
>
> Greg Carter wrote:
> >
> > First have a friend move the steering wheel back and forth without
> actually
> > turning the wheels (i.e. in the arc of play). While you look at the
> > steering linkage. If the linkage doesn't move then you can adjust your
> > steering box, see below. If it moves than you have play in the linkage
> and
> > you'll have to determine what is worn and replace it.
> >
>
>
> Hi Greg,
>
> I would think the exact opposite. Let me know if I'm way off here... but
> my lingage moves identical to the steering wheel (in Park, engine off)
> which to me indicates the problem would lie in the steering box itself.
> What do think?
>
> Steve
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:25:26 -0600
From: "Brian J. Babiuk"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - F-150 Model Distinctions

Curious,

Other than the Chrome grille, and headlight trim, is there any other
Exterior distinctions between the '94 - '96 F-150 XL and XLT Lariat? My
suspicions are the tailgate had chrome on it as well.

The reason I ask is that I want to dress up my XL by replacing the stock
plastic grille and trim to the chrome one the XLT has. The other idea I had
was painting the stock grille and trim to body color instead of grey. (I
have a maroon truck. She is a real 'beaut!) I'm trying to find a real
sharp eye catching look for my truck. Something really mean and sporty.

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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:44:30 -0700
From: "Giddens, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - F-150 Model Distinctions

Brian,

The tail gate has a brushed metal trim with a centered black plastic insert
that has FORD on the passenger side.
The only other trim I can think of with out seeing it is the chrome around
the wheel well.

Other things that might already be on your truck:

The plastic black mirrors also have a chrome plate on the forward side.
Two tone pin stripes run just under the bend line the full length of the
truck.
6 inch chrome step bumper with black plastic top.

That's all I can think of without taking a look at it.

Scott

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From:Brian J. Babiuk [SMTP:bbabiuk home.com]
Sent:Tuesday, March 16, 1999 4:25 PM
To:80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject:FTE 80-96 - F-150 Model Distinctions

Curious,

Other than the Chrome grille, and headlight trim, is there any other
Exterior distinctions between the '94 - '96 F-150 XL and XLT Lariat?
My
suspicions are the tailgate had chrome on it as well.

The reason I ask is that I want to dress up my XL by replacing the
stock
plastic grille and trim to the chrome one the XLT has. The other
idea I had
was painting the stock grille and trim to body color instead of
grey. (I
have a maroon truck. She is a real 'beaut!) I'm trying to find a
real
sharp eye catching look for my truck. Something really mean and
sporty.
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 19:53:12 -0500
From: troyw mfi.net (Troy Williams)
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Gear box?

On 16 Mar 99, at 12:41, FULSZBRONC aol.com wrote:

>Chances are if your gear box is out of adjustment as you described, you have
>damage or wear in your box, and it'll need to be replaced. In the last year
>I've replaced the boxes with a rebuilds in both my Bronco and E-150. I tried
>to adjust them to take the center play out of them first, but that caused
>binding when the wheel was turned to the left or right limit. The CarQuest
>parts store I deal with has remans on the shelf and sell quite a few of
>them....does this tell you anything? They cost about $325 exchange and, with
>the right tools, take about an hour to swap out. If you do it, don't forget
>to flush your pump and lines before running it.

I just had to replace the gearbox on my '84 F-150. For a
remanufactured part, it was only $150 at Auto Zone. Of course
they charged me a $190 deposit until I brought the other box back,
but then that wasn't a problem since it was only a couple hour job.


You might be a redneck if... The fountain at your wedding
spewed beer instead of champagne. - Jeff Foxworthy


Troy Williams
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.mfi.net/~troyw
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:18:00 -0600
From: "Anthony Rio"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - F-150 Model Distinctions

Just a goofy dress-up...

I attended a HumVee rally in Dayton TN a few years ago with a friend who
owned one. One of the other owners had a pick-up version and he had added
two yellow lights on antennas on the rear end of the truck (by the
tailgate). The guy told me it was an old Jeep off road thing. When I got my
truck, I did the same except I used the fiberglass poles from those orange
safety flags you get at K-mart for kids bikes. I ran the wires up to a round
marker light atop each and then wrapped each length with electrical tape
(about one full roll. I then wired them into the rear tail lights so they
came on with the headlights. The lights were a little heavy for the
fiberglass poles, and the steel antennas would work a better, but finances
dictated the cheap alternative.

I sounds geeky, but they were a trip. When you drove, they swayed and
bounced in unison. I got a lot of looks, and a few phone number from the
opposite sex. People in downtown Chicago don't see that sort of thing too
often, and I'm not kidding when I say people stopped on the street at night
to watch the truck go by. However I was forever fixing the driver side one
from whacking it on the McDonald's drive in overhang. Unfortunatly I had to
take them off when I started having to take the expressway to work everyday.
But now that I'm taking the train everyday again.....


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Boy, can I draw, or what?

Tony

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> [mailto:owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Brian J. Babiuk
> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 5:25 PM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - F-150 Model Distinctions
>
>
> Curious,
>
> Other than the Chrome grille, and headlight trim, is there any other
> Exterior distinctions between the '94 - '96 F-150 XL and XLT Lariat? My
> suspicions are the tailgate had chrome on it as well.
>
> The reason I ask is that I want to dress up my XL by replacing the stock
> plastic grille and trim to the chrome one the XLT has. The other
> idea I had
> was painting the stock grille and trim to body color instead of grey. (I
> have a maroon truck. She is a real 'beaut!) I'm trying to find a real
> sharp eye catching look for my truck. Something really mean and sporty.
>
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 19:51:52 -0800
From: "Geoff Keyes"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Engine options

Sirs,

I am sending this for my brother-in-law (an otherwise nice guy, but who is
not internet connected). Is there in existence, either here or elsewhere, a
list of available engine options for Ford trucks 80-96? Likewise, is there
a digest(archive) of common known problems?

Thanks in advance

Geoff Keyes

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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:05:38 -0600
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Rear drum pad clearance?

Bud-
Rear shoes should not be adjusted out too tight when new. These brakes have
auto adjusters on them. They adjust the shoes out to the proper clearance
when you stop while backing up. Right after doing the brake job you need to
back slowly down the street in reverse and apply the brakes repeatedly. I
mean like 15 or 20 times. You can not over-tighten this way. They
automatically stop adjusting when the clearance is correct.

There is no clearance in the rear with drum & shoe brakes that you measure
with a feeler guage (that I can think of). Your friends recollection of how
to adjust is half correct; when you get to the point you describe, the
adjuster needs to be run back IN about 15 notches. Don't leave it where you
describe.

When doing the brakes, take the adjusters all apart (do not mix any parts
from wheel to wheel -- keep them 100% separate from each other) clean them
and reassemble. A super light coat of high-temp greate on the inside of the
workings (nothing on the outside) helps ensure years of trouble-free auto
adjusting. Make sure they get installed in the same orientation as they
came out or you get no auto adjusting. Manually adjust out a little if you
want, or leave it to the automatics.

The skipping or dragging and release sounds like an out of round drum. Were
they turned while they were off? If not, go have it done, then put back on
truck. Even if new drums, they might be slightly out of round.

At 08:10 16/03/99 -0800, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I have a 92 F250. I just did new drums and pads. Is there a clearance
>specification for the pads on the rear brakes? Something you could use a
>feeler gage for?
>
>Both the shop manual and the Haynes manual say to make sure the wheel moves....


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