80-96-list-digest Sunday, March 14 1999 Volume 03 : Number 073



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - P.S.D. Oil driven Injection Pump
FTE 80-96 - Re: FTE 80-06 Vehicle codes
FTE 80-96 - Re: 80-96 FTE: Signing Off
FTE 80-96 - Re: 80-96-list: Fuel Pressure
FTE 80-96 - Re: E4OD fluid changes
FTE 80-96 - Speedometer quit working
FTE 80-96 - Brake pedal height
Re: FTE 80-96 - Brake pedal height
RE: FTE 80-96 - Hard starting from rear fuel tank
FTE 80-96 - Re: E4OD fluid changes
FTE 80-96 - poor gas milage using rear tank
FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Web site updates
Re: FTE 80-96 - poor gas milage using rear tank
FTE 80-96 - Re: Fluid levels
FTE 80-96 - RE: PSD Injectors etc.
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re:
FTE 80-96 - driveshaft for 80 Bronco
FTE 80-96 - F-150 Brakes, conclusion I hope

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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:56:55 GMT
From: peter.arnold.01 snet.net (Peter T. Arnold)
Subject: FTE 80-96 - P.S.D. Oil driven Injection Pump

The Fuel injection pump on my '95 is driven by the hydraulic pressure
of the engine oil system.
How do I know?=20
I "blew" the seal on the turbo, lost 8 qts of oil in 200 - 500 miles
on a trip. The engine shut-down. =20
Did I think to check the crankcase? No! =20
Did the "Mechanic" at the Union 76 Truck stop ? No!
I left the truck at a ford garage and rented a car to drive home (200
miles) the Ford folks fixed the truck under warrantee ($2800!!).
If I had known the above, I could have driven the big fellow home and
saved rental! (Big bucks on a Sunday night)

On;y other problem with this truck is that it's on the FOURTH glowplug
relay

Peter T. Arnold
'95 F-250 PowerStroke
'54 Metropolitan
. =20
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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 06:25:57 -0800 (PST)
From: rokkinhorse webtv.net
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: FTE 80-06 Vehicle codes

I was under the impression that if the GVW was over 8500 lbs, the truck
was considered a HD model. My 85 has a tag in the doorjamb that rates it
at 8600 GVW. It has a full-floater w/LS rear and a 44HD front diff.
There was someplace on the net that showed the different rear end cover
configurations that was a good tool for identification of the
differentials. Anybody ever seen this? It was a Ford Truck site as I
recall. TIA!

Randy Goolsby-94 Bronco EB/85 F250 4x4

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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 06:31:04 -0800 (PST)
From: rokkinhorse webtv.net
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: 80-96 FTE: Signing Off

Good luck Rick!! We will be looking for you and wish you good luck in
nailing down the new Job!:-)

Randy Goolsby-94 Bronco EB/85 F250 4x4

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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 06:58:30 -0800 (PST)
From: rokkinhorse webtv.net
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: 80-96-list: Fuel Pressure

If I were you,I wouldn't use the Holley fuel pressure regulator.My
son-in-law had this arrangement on his b#$^er and was forever burning up
fuel pumps,probably due at least in part to the fuel pump always pumping
against high pressure to get fuel past the regulator. His was mounted on
the frame rail,and if it got a good coating of mud on it,the fuel pump
couldn't dissipate the heat it was making and fried. My 85 F250 also has
a frame-rail mounted fuel pump,but the (stock design) regulator has a
return line to the tank which keeps the pressure it pumps againt to a
minimum.AFAIK the fuel pump is the OEM unit and I just recently replaced
the fuel pressure reg.Not because it wouldnt work,but to rule it out as
a problem with some of the Carb trouble I have been experiencing
lately.I got the replacement regulator at NAPA for around $35 and it
looked to be a Ford OEM part.

Randy Goolsby-94 Bronco EB/85 F250 4x4

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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 07:00:32 -0800
From: "Josh"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: E4OD fluid changes

Funny, Castrol says you can...


>You can not mix conventional trans. fluid and synthetic.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.castrolusa.com/castrolauto/castrolProducts.nsf

Josh
berelson gte.net
Edmonds, WA

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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:15:11 -0500
From: "Bill McConnell"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Speedometer quit working

I had a problem with my speedometer , interior lights , car seat, cruse
control, and keyless door entry in a 94 Lightning. It turns out that all of
the devices are on the same circuit in the truck. I checked the fuse box
inside the truck. Well, It turns out that it's not the only one. After
taking it to a mechanic, I found out that there is a fuse box under the
hood. Well that's were my fuse was blown. So, It cost me 65 dollars labor
to find that out.

A gentleman on this news list also sent me info indicating that he thought
it was under the hood, but I had already taken the truck to the mechanic.
He tells exactly were the fuse box is.

The box on my truck is on the drivers side of the engine compartment, just
forward of the hinge/brake booster.
From the front to rear; Washer/antifreeze box, airfilter box, and "POWER
DISTRIBUTION BOX" that's it!

The mechanic said that he thought that the fuse blew because of having a
cell phone charging on the power point and having a interior light on and
locking the door at the same time. He says that the phone chargers pull
more amps than most devices you would use in the power point.

Well, just wanted to share the resolution to my problem. Maybe you will
know and not have to spend 65 dollars as I did to find out. Also thanks to
steve hansen on this list. Happy Truckin,

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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:23:18 -0500
From: Jim Postle
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Brake pedal height

I just bought a '96 F150 reg cab and love it! The only thing that
doesn't fit me right is the height of the brake pedal. Man, does it seem
to be high and it takes a real lift of the ole foot to hit the brakes!
Does anyone else feel this way, can anything be done about it (swapping
parts from another truck, etc.....) and has anyone fixed this "problem"?

Thanks for any and all advice
Jim

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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 12:28:23 -0500
From: Andre Roy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Brake pedal height

Jim Postle wrote:
>
> I just bought a '96 F150 reg cab and love it! The only thing that
> doesn't fit me right is the height of the brake pedal. Man, does it seem
> to be high and it takes a real lift of the ole foot to hit the brakes!
>
I find my '81 is like that, too. I like to hang my left foot over (not
touching) the brake pedal in situations where braking might be needed
quickly, like school zones and stuff. Really uncomfortable with my
F-150.
- --
Andre, Somewhere ...
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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 12:12:48 -0600
From: "Chuck"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Hard starting from rear fuel tank

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of FoxDFox aol.com
> Sent: Friday, March 12, 1999 7:18 PM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Hard starting from rear fuel tank
>
>
> The main pump is tucked in the "U" chanel of the main frame under
> the driver
> seat. follow the fuel lines next time youre under there, or
> read the manual.
> The vent lines of the in-tank pumps are really fuel return lines
> but act as
> vents when the pump isn't working.

ok, just came back from under the truck and reading a bunch of manuals, it
appears that F series trucks between '90-'93 only have the in-tank fuel high
pres fuel pumms. I could also hear and feel the noisy fuel pump in the
front, I then turned on the rear and crawled up under the rear tank and it
is humming away but with less noise and vibration that the front. There is
no other fuel pump between the tanks and the regulator.

SO, is it posible that the front pump could cause the following problem
(I'll post it again from my original post):

While using the front fuel tank I can drive to work (9 miles), turn off the
truck, let it set 15 min or so, and start it back up again with no problems.
When using the rear fuel tank the truck will not start the first time after
about 15 min of being off, but it will start right up the on the second try.
If I should leave it sit all night and try it, it will fire right up with no
problem!!

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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 15:22:17 -0500
From: "msalvetti"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: E4OD fluid changes

>You can not mix conventional trans. fluid and synthetic. But, if you
>have the dealer change the fluid, they should drain "all" of the fluid.
You

Hi Justen. I'll check with the dealer and see how they go about doing
this.

The Mobil 1 website says it's fully compatible with conventional ATF. I've
sent them an email to confirm. Of course, the more synthetic I get in
there, the better.

Thanks,

Mark
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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 15:51:50 -0500 (EST)
From: pdonk webtv.net (Philip Donk)
Subject: FTE 80-96 - poor gas milage using rear tank

I have a 1995 Ford F150 XL 4x4 and I was wandering if anybody could
tell me why when I use the rear tank I don't get as good of gas milage
as I do from my front tank. When I fill them both up I can use the
front tank for a pretty long time, but the rear tank only lasts about
half as long. If anyboby is having or has had the same problem, I
would really appreciate it if someone could tell me why I'm having this
problem

Philip J. Donk

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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 16:37:57 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Web site updates

The following updates have been made to the Ford Truck
Enthusiasts web site:

- - Pictorial updated. I'm still behind with the pictorials
as we've had tons of submissions lately. If you didn't
get an email stated that your truck is now on the web
site, then it isn't there yet. Please be patient.

- - Although I already announced this, it bears repeating:
Ford Truck Enthusiasts now has access to Ford Motor
Company press releases and has a link on our main page
to these. Get the latest Ford truck news here. This
should be a useful service.

- - Products page updated with several new items.

- - The events page has several new events.

- - The clubs section of the links has been expanded. As
many of you know, Ford Truck Enthusiasts gives free
web space and an email address to non-profit Ford
truck clubs. We've got 3 online now with 2 more in
the next couple of weeks. If you belong to a Ford
truck club, let them know about this offer. There are
no obligations other than a simple link.

On a different note, if you're one of the people who
designed a t-shirt for our contest this past fall, please
email me your mailing address. I haven't forgotten
about the prize pack, just got behind. I have prize
packs ready to mail.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts

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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 16:23:33 -0600
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - poor gas milage using rear tank

There was a similar post to the list a week or two ago. I think the
conclusion was that the rear pump is putting fuel into the front tank while
you drive, so it does not last as long before it's empty. How many gallons
of fuel does the front tank take when you fill it? If you switch the
selector back to the front tank after emptying it and running on the rear
tank for a while, does there seem to be more fuel in the front than there
was when you left it?

The fuel injection system has a pump in the tank, which pushes fuel up to
the injector "rail" and then it returns to the tank in the return line, so
it is a constantly circulating system. If the fuel does not go back to the
tank from which it came, it transfers to the other. After a while, the
receiving tank can overflow.

Some people report a bad fuel pump check valve allowing fuel to enter the
opposite tank. I have only one tank, so I have not personally had this
problem.

At 15:51 13/03/99 -0500, you wrote:
>I have a 1995 Ford F150 XL 4x4 and I was wandering if anybody could
>tell me why when I use the rear tank I don't get as good of gas milage
>as I do from my front tank. When I fill them both up I can use the
>front tank for a pretty long time, but the rear tank only lasts about
>half as long. If anyboby is having or has had the same problem, I
>would really appreciate it if someone could tell me why I'm having this
>problem
>

Jim Cannon
Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton
'63 Buick Riviera
'80 Ford F-150
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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 20:17:46 -0700
From: Ken Justice
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Fluid levels

Hello all,

A general question please. I bought (last May) a '98 Explorer and am
wondering about general maintenance servicing. (The manual doesn't
address this matter and the dealer wants me to bring it in.) It has a
standard transmission (w/4wd).

Does the transmission AND tranfer case use the same "fill" plug? Plus I
can't seem to find a "fill" plug for the rear differential. Any info
will be appreciated. Thanks!

Regards,

Ken Justice
Discover the Working Mat!
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.workingmat.com
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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 09:58:51 -0600
From: "Dave Harmier"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: PSD Injectors etc.

I had a job driving cars and trucks in '95, for Shell Research. TWO of the
trucks were PSD F-250's. The purpose of driving these trucks was to try
out oil formulation....because the injection does INDEED run heavily
dependent on oil pressure!!!

I should think it is more important than ANY other engine to do EXTREME
Duty maintnance on it at the recommended intervals.

And even that years PSD ran like a scalded dog, and got 20+ mpg!!!

Hope to replace my F-150 with a 250 or 350 PSD pretty soon!

Dave H.
Houston, TX
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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 22:54:52 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re:

Rick,
I notice no more rice burner at the end of the ownership list...did you sell
it or give it back? And is the wife walking?
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
"Hazardous Material"
Wayne's Flareside Page
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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 23:43:10 -0600
From: Geoffrey Schrag
Subject: FTE 80-96 - driveshaft for 80 Bronco

Hey guys,

I need to replace the front driveshaft on my Bronco and I was wondering
if anyone could tell me which shafts from other trucks would fit. I 'm
heading out to the salvage yard soon. I think the hollander manual says
that 80-81 bronco & f150 driveshafts are interchangeable?

Thanks again,

Geof Schrag
80 bronco
351M, 4sp (t18 & np208 Xfer I think)


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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 01:15:53 -0600
From: "Shawn & Jennifer Clark"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - F-150 Brakes, conclusion I hope

Thanks for input on the brake problem on my 1991 F-150 Extended Cab (2WD
w/302). The calipers were indeed sticking which caused the brakes to wear
very quickly on the inboard pads (both sides). Additionally, the right
side was wearing faster than the left. Unfortunately, I discovered the
problem only when the brakes began to grind, so new rotors were needed. My
mechanic and others tell me that this is common on Fords. I've put
hundreds of thousands of miles on other vehicles and never had stuck
calipers before...but none of them were Fords. Good news for Ford fans is
that my mechanic says the new Chevys are even worse about it.

Before the brake work I had noticed some tendency to pull under
braking--didn't remember to which side since I had not been driving it
much. After the brake work the problem was even worse and required
substantial countersteering under hard braking. I knew the alignment was
off and the tires had a lot of miles on them so I had new tires put on and
took it to a good shop for the alignment. After discussing the pull for
awhile, the mechanic pointed out that the lower ball joint was very loose
on the right, but tight on the left. (This wasn't BS either, the right was
far outside the service limit in my manual.) Additionally, the right
radius arm bushing had split badly (again, easy to see with it on a lift.)
The left side was fine. Perhaps the difference is that the unshielded cat
is about 6" from the right side bushing--ingenious Ford design there.
After fixing all this the camber and toe was still way out of whack. It
was so far out that they had to put in new camber kits on both sides
(previous ones were put in 6 years ago.) After dialing it in, the truck
finally tracks fine and it is not pulling under braking any more. Of
course, the brakes, suspension work, and tires have set me back $1,100.
Maybe that is why half my sentences now begin with, "That damned Ford."

It is really kind of sad. The previous owner's records indicate that he
went to considerable effort to stay on top of the maintenance, take care of
recalls, etc. Yet this truck still breaks every chance it gets: E4OD
replaced (still troublesome), poorly designed exhaust manifold cracked, EVP
Sensor failed twice, AC pressure switch died, AC fittings all leaked and
were replaced, both power window gear sets failed, one power door lock
actuator died, ignition switch died, throttle cable failed, windshield
wiper knob broke off (thank God for JB Weld), oil sender unit died, most
major seals and gaskets replaced due to leaks ($600 worth of gaskets and
seal work), battery cable died, and all of the paint is coming off. The....

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