80-96-list-digest Saturday, March 13 1999 Volume 03 : Number 072



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - pictorial
FTE 80-96 - lock rite.
[none]
RE: FTE 80-96 - Vehicle codes
FTE 80-96 - rear ID tag
Re: FTE 80-96 - Powertrax Lockright: True Posi-traction?
re: FTE 80-96 - computerized diesel or not?
FTE 80-96 - Re:
FTE 80-96 - Signing off
FTE 80-96 - re:cooling system
FTE 80-96 - E150 Van
Re: FTE 80-96 - Powertrax Lockright: True Posi-traction?
Re: FTE 80-96 - E150 Van
Re: FTE 80-96 - computerized diesel or not?
FTE 80-96 - Ok Guys...weight!
Re: FTE 80-96 - Signing off
FTE 80-96 - Re: E4OD fluid changes
Re: FTE 80-96 - Hard starting from rear fuel tank
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: more fueltank problems
FTE 80-96 - Powertrax Lockright: True Posi-traction?
RE: FTE 80-96 - Vehicle codes
FTE 80-96 - fuel pressure
RE: FTE 80-96 - Hard starting from rear fuel tank
FTE 80-96 - RE:
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: E4OD fluid changes

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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 07:13:18 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - pictorial

At 07:30 PM 3/11/99 -0800, you wrote:
>okay so it's not a problem with my truck (of course not). I want to
>put a picture of it in the pictorial. how do i do that?
>Shy-anne and Ol'Red
>
>

Send it to pictures ford-trucks.com with a complete description.
Please note that we have a 3 week backlog of pictures.

Ken Payne
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 07:26:58 -0500
From: Andrew T Vincitore
Subject: FTE 80-96 - lock rite.

Message text written by INTERNET:80-96-list ford-trucks.com
>
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Powertrax Lockright: True Posi-traction?

I have a Lock-rite in my 2wd F-250, it pulls with both wheels except for
turns only. When ever there is a loss of traction, the unit clicks and
grabs so both wheels turn. It is amazing how well it works. Significantl=
y
better than open diff.

Andrew
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:19:11 -0500
From: Mike Johnson
Subject: [none]

My 86 F150 I6 just turned over 200,000 miles this morning. That's all. Just
sitting here at work with 4.9 miles (How ironic!) on the truck and feeling a
little bite proud of the ole thing:-) If you guy's want to see a pic of it
go to my web page at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://my.voyager.net/mikejj/Truck.htm
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:47:46 -0500
From: Greg Carter
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Vehicle codes

Hi,

Sounds like the semi float. You may have the HD front end, if you live in
an area where they snow plow, which is the Dana 50 (or maybe the Dana 60
solid front axle). I have this configuration, semi float in the back, Dana
50 in the front. If your front hubs look much larger than a 4x4 F-150 and
it is an IFS than you have the Dana 50.

As far as towing, I installed a class 4 hitch rated similar to yours, same
engine trans. I pulled an 18 foot trailer with a 68 Mustang on it for 300
miles, it went fine. I even managed to pass a motorhome on a steep hill, of
course I had it pined in 3rd, and it was a very sloooow pass. If you like
to be follow all the rules you should check in your owners manual to see
what your truck is rated to tow. A 5.0L with 3.55 gears and manual trans is
rated considerably less by Ford than a 460 with 4.10 gears, your
state/province may hold you to this rating. You also have to make sure you
are licensed for the amount of weight, to be safe I pay the extra license
fee (in Ontario Canada) and have mine rated the highest I can get without an
inspection which puts me in the commercial class, the normal class rating
was just on the line so I wanted to be safe. Then again you can take the
attitude that its an F250 and probably wont 'look' overloaded so you
probably wont ever get pulled over. The only reason I did it was because it
happened to a friend of a friend.
Bye.
- ----
Greg Carter, Entrust Technologies
greg.carter entrust.com


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> From: CHRISTOPHER PHILIPP[SMTP:chrisp webaccess.net]
> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 1999 9:58 PM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - Vehicle codes
>
> Hello all,
> I have an 88F-250. On my title it was listed as HD. Recently
> however, I read on the list that only HD's had a full floating axle, not
> the light duty (semi-float). I have the rear axle which fits flush to
> the rim, no protruding pieces (16'' rim). Looking through the Chiltons,
> it appears that it is a semi-floating axle. The codes on my door jamb
> list the body style as F-261, transmission M, axle 29, spring 6 6. Does
> anyone have the resources to read these codes?? Another question in
> closing. My hitch is rated 8000lbs. The truck only has a 302, 4 spd.
> w/od. My question is, how much weight should I realistically pull
> without fear of "abusing" my rig? Oh, my mileage is around 12-15mpg
> using premium, for anyone following the mileage chat. TIA
>
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:56:04 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - rear ID tag

Steve writes his rear ID tag info: >>WDM CJ 2D22
75 9 S314C


Yo Steve: Me thinks your bolt/washer is covering the 1st letter/number of each
line and the second line should be 2.75.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 08:23:36 -0800
From: bill gibson
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Powertrax Lockright: True Posi-traction?

WoodStck45 aol.com wrote:
>
> Guys
>
> I was going to buy a Powertax Lockright for my truck until i seen an ad of
> there's that described the locker different than what the web page says. The
> web page says that you have both rear wheels pulling except in a turn, but
> when you complete a turn you get both rear wheels pulling again. Then I seen
> an ad in "i believe it was Summit or Jeg's" that said the Powertrax Lockright
> only delivered power to the wheel with the most traction. What the hell? Do
> any of you out there have a powertrax lockright? if you do do you have both
> rear wheels pulling, or just the one with the most traction?
>
> Thanks
> Paul
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The lock-rite in the rear end of my 85 F250 6.9 works just fine
.In mud both rear wheels spin in unison.I'm sure they both pull.
Bill Gibson
Tees , Ab , Canada
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:23:28 -0500 (EST)
From: Jay Snyder
Subject: re: FTE 80-96 - computerized diesel or not?

>Also did you guys know that the injectors on a 99 PSD are ran off of oil
>pressure? I about flipped out when someone told me that i thought they
were
>lying.


What do you meen run off of oil pressure? My prother has an E350 cubevan
with the PSD, and he was loosing a lot of oil. The dealer told him that
the injectors were loose. Niether he or I could see why loose injectors
would cause oil los -- this may explain it.

Thanks,
Jay
'87 F150 300I6, C6

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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:54:40 -0600
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re:

Mike Johnson wrote:

> My 86 F150 I6 just turned over 200,000 miles this morning. That's all. Just
> sitting here at work with 4.9 miles (How ironic!) on the truck and feeling a
> little bite proud of the ole thing:-) If you guy's want to see a pic of it

Mike,
Nice looking Ford. For a look at mine and Dad's Bronco here ya go.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=39

Yes, us I-6 owners can take some pride. You can get a lot of miles
out of an I-6 with basic matenance practices and upkeep. I stand
proud of the I-6. :-)

- --
Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Terrains
'92 Mstng 5.0L


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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:59:58 -0600
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Signing off

Gang(s),
I will be signing off in a few hours. Hope to be back within
a couple of weeks at the new job if they ever get my offer letter
signed by the right people. I start furlough on Monday, and with
any luck that won't last too long. Please reply to me directly
rather than the list(s) if ya want to.

- --
Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Terrains
'92 Mstng 5.0L


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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:14:49 -0800
From: "Josh"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - re:cooling system

Found my problem...slightly loose clamp on bypass hose...held pressure for
over 8 hours(until i took it off)



Josh
berelson gte.net
Edmonds, WA

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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:21:40 -0600
From: Tom Wiggins
Subject: FTE 80-96 - E150 Van

Hi!, I have a 78 E150 Van that I bought new and has 120K miles on it.
Still runs, but not well. I've had it sitting in the barn for the last
10 years. Straight body, no rust. I would like to fix it up and make a
camping rig out of it. I ordered it with a IL six, 3.5 axle and got 17
mpg. Also got good performance. I picked a wrecked 85 E150, 300 six
with Aod trans, 3.5 axle. This has 80K well maintained miles on it. I
drove it and it is a dog. Is it slow because of the epa junk?
My 78 didn't have much junk other than a smog pump.My 78 didn't have
much junk other than a smog pump.
Should I put a RV cam in while it's out on the ground? Also would I be
better off to not use the AOD transmission? Thanks for your
thoughts, Farmer Tom

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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:54:11 -0500
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Powertrax Lockright: True Posi-traction?

I was going to buy a Powertax Lockright for my truck until i seen an ad
of there's that described the locker different than what the web page
says. The web page says that you have both rear wheels pulling except
in a turn, but when you complete a turn you get both rear wheels pulling
again. Then I seen> an ad in "i believe it was Summit or Jeg's" that
said the Powertrax Lockright only delivered power to the wheel with the
most traction. What the hell? Do any of you out there have a powertrax
lockright? if you do do you have both rear wheels pulling, or just the
one with the most traction?

Delivers more power to the wheel with most traction...still gives some
to the wheel with less traction though just not as much. It works just
opposite of a factory limited slip which provides the tire with least
amount of traction most power but transfers little to the tire with
traction...it just works opposite...which is great I think cause it
causes less wear and strain on the drivetrain! A true locker as brutal
on the streets. i plan on trying a powertrax in my lightning...see if it
can make up its mind which one has less traction!HEHE
Chris
94 lightning #381
NLOC #238
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:07:16 -0500
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - E150 Van

Also would I be better off to not use the AOD transmission?

Unless you are going to put some money into the AOD to make it stand up
to pulling around that weight I would suggest staying away fom it...the
can be a real pain!
Chris
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:30:00 -0800
From: johny
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - computerized diesel or not?

Yes. The injectors on the Power strokes (at least the 97 and 99's) are
activated by oil pressure. There are 2 pumps in the engine. Regular
low pressure pumps for normal engine operation, and a high pressure pump
for the injectors. The high pressure pump should be at the
front of the block, at the top, just in front of the
fuel filter canister.

I don't remember the exact numbers, but the high pressure pump
rings pressure up to the low 1000's and the injectors into the
10,000 to 18,000 PSI range.

Also there's about 3 qts of oil still hanging around in the top end of the
engine
when you do an oil change on a PSD.

There used to be a decent diagram/description of the HEUI injector on
www.cat.com, but I can't find it to include here.


Jay Snyder wrote:

> >Also did you guys know that the injectors on a 99 PSD are ran off of oil
> >pressure? I about flipped out when someone told me that i thought they
> were
> >lying.
>
> What do you meen run off of oil pressure? My prother has an E350 cubevan
> with the PSD, and he was loosing a lot of oil. The dealer told him that
> the injectors were loose. Niether he or I could see why loose injectors
> would cause oil los -- this may explain it.
>
> Thanks,
> Jay
> '87 F150 300I6, C6
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:31:56 -0600
From: "Dave Harmier"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Ok Guys...weight!

'92 F-150 S/C Short bed. 5.0 E4OD (Yuck!) Tommy Lift, Rawson Koenig cross
bed tool box (heavy weight) two aluminum over fender boxes LOADED with
transformers, fuel pumps, pullers, vice...Heavy ass toolbox behind the
seat....two empty 55 gallon drums at about 45# each, and trailer on (at a
weight of 1260 with about 120 tongue weight...
lastly, 220 pound Me in the drivers seat.

Weighed by axle : Front 2660, Rear 3460, and trailer 1260

Total 7380....minus drums, tongue weight, and me just at right around 5800
(will verify next time!)

Guess that why I don't love my brakes, and mileage (lately always 12.2 -
12.6)

Next time someone complains of 14.5 ish ... Think of me!!!!

Dave H.
Houston, TX
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:27:04 -0000
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Signing off

Good luck and God bless.

Rade
- -----Original Message-----
From: Rick Wojciechowski
To: Bronco Owners ; FORD Truck List

Date: Friday, March 12, 1999 4:48 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Signing off


>Gang(s),
> I will be signing off in a few hours. Hope to be back within
>a couple of weeks at the new job if they ever get my offer letter
>signed by the right people. I start furlough on Monday, and with
>any luck that won't last too long. Please reply to me directly
>rather than the list(s) if ya want to.
>
>--
>Thanks,
> Rick Wojo
> '83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Terrains
> '92 Mstng 5.0L
>
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 20:05:54 -0500
From: "msalvetti"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: E4OD fluid changes

Randy asked me:

>Mark, I used the Castrol synthetic trans fluid in mine and did the
>changeover about 18K miles ago. Are you draining the convertor when you
>change fluid? I'm not going to this time;it's way too expensive at 5...

Hi Randy. No, I don't plan to drain the converter. Mostly because I'm
going to have the dealer do it, and I'm pretty sure they suck the old fluid
out from above. I just don't have the time to deal with doing it myself
and dropping the pan.

I'm not fond of Castrol (at least not the motor oils), so I'll probably use
Mobil 1 or Amsoil. As long as the synthetic can be mixed with the
conventional (and I have to check that) don't think there will be a
problem. I figure it would be best to change it all, but I think I'll get
some benefit out of having at least some synthetic in there.

Also, just to clarify, another list member pointed out that I couldn't have
an E4OD in the Windstar (and I have a 4-spd in the truck). Obvious now,
but I hadn't thought about the E4OD being for rear wheel drive. Still, I'm
worried about the reliability of whatever electronic transmission we have,
so I'll probably change to the synthetic.

Mark
1986 F150
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 20:18:05 EST
From: FoxDFox aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Hard starting from rear fuel tank

The main pump is tucked in the "U" chanel of the main frame under the driver
seat. follow the fuel lines next time youre under there, or read the manual.
The vent lines of the in-tank pumps are really fuel return lines but act as
vents when the pump isn't working.
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 20:41:06 EST
From: FoxDFox aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: more fueltank problems

the return is controlled by the main pump located on the rail under the
drivers seat. Good luck. Dave
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 21:24:40 EST
From: craig n eggerman
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Powertrax Lockright: True Posi-traction?

Yes I have one. It is a true locker just like a Detroit locker. It is not
a limited slip or positrack. It is very similar to a Detroit EZ locker as
far as design and installation goes. If you have a fair amount of
mechanical ability you can put one in your self. I would recommend the EZ
locker though. Detroit Locker will stand behind their product and the
original Detroit locker is indestructible. These things will ratchet, pop
and jerk while you turn a corner. It makes you think that the rear end is
going out. This is normal. You learn how to coast and clutch to cut down
on some of the racket. Power trax will not stand behind their product. I
had one go out after 6000 miles and they would not cover the parts or
labor to repair it. When it goes again I am going back to one of the
Detroit Locker products.
Craig
Eggerman juno.com
Casper,Wyoming
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 18:25:43 -0800
From: Mark Ponsford
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Vehicle codes

Info for '92 can be found at
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://uviclib.uvic.ca/staff/mponsford/92fseries/towregcab.html. Also,
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://uviclib.uvic.ca/staff/mponsford/ford_trucks_info/fseries/88codes.html for
codes.

The way I read it, your good for 3400lbs. max. (302, Mazda 5spd manual,
3.55 gears)

>Hi,
>
>Sounds like the semi float. You may have the HD front end, if you live in
>an area where they snow plow, which is the Dana 50 (or maybe the Dana 60
>solid front axle). I have this configuration, semi float in the back, Dana
>50 in the front. If your front hubs look much larger than a 4x4 F-150 and
>it is an IFS than you have the Dana 50.
>
>As far as towing, I installed a class 4 hitch rated similar to yours, same
>engine trans. I pulled an 18 foot trailer with a 68 Mustang on it for 300
>miles, it went fine. I even managed to pass a motorhome on a steep hill, of
>course I had it pined in 3rd, and it was a very sloooow pass. If you like
>to be follow all the rules you should check in your owners manual to see
>what your truck is rated to tow. A 5.0L with 3.55 gears and manual trans is
>rated considerably less by Ford than a 460 with 4.10 gears, your
>state/province may hold you to this rating. You also have to make sure you
>are licensed for the amount of weight, to be safe I pay the extra license
>fee (in Ontario Canada) and have mine rated the highest I can get without an
>inspection which puts me in the commercial class, the normal class rating
>was just on the line so I wanted to be safe. Then again you can take the
>attitude that its an F250 and probably wont 'look' overloaded so you
>probably wont ever get pulled over. The only reason I did it was because it
>happened to a friend of a friend.
>Bye.
>----
>Greg Carter, Entrust Technologies
>greg.carter entrust.com
>
>
>> ----------
>> From: CHRISTOPHER PHILIPP[SMTP:chrisp webaccess.net]
>> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 1999 9:58 PM
>> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
>> Subject: FTE 80-96 - Vehicle codes
>>
>> Hello all,
>> I have an 88F-250. On my title it was listed as HD. Recently
>> however, I read on the list that only HD's had a full floating axle, not
>> the light duty (semi-float). I have the rear axle which fits flush to
>> the rim, no protruding pieces (16'' rim). Looking through the Chiltons,
>> it appears that it is a semi-floating axle. The codes on my door jamb
>> list the body style as F-261, transmission M, axle 29, spring 6 6. Does
>> anyone have the resources to read these codes?? Another question in
>> closing. My hitch is rated 8000lbs. The truck only has a 302, 4 spd.
>> w/od. My question is, how much weight should I realistically pull
>> without fear of "abusing" my rig? Oh, my mileage is around 12-15mpg
>> using premium, for anyone following the mileage chat. TIA
>>

- ---------------------------------------------------------------
Mark Ponsfordphone: (250) 721-7397
McPherson Library - Systemsfax: (250) 721-8215
University of Victoria
Victoria, B.C. Canada V8W 3H5


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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 21:15:56 -0600
From: mentch cybrzn.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - fuel pressure

I am almost done with my 86 f-250 4x4...i bought a holley fuel pressure
regulator to use with my electric fuel pump...the pump was for fuel
injection....the only problem is that if the pump runs when the key is
on and im only using 6 psi will the pump burn up..there is no return
line. Thanks


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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 21:42:46 -0600
From: "Chuck"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Hard starting from rear fuel tank

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of FoxDFox aol.com
> Sent: Friday, March 12, 1999 7:18 PM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Hard starting from rear fuel tank
>
>
> The main pump is tucked in the "U" chanel of the main frame under
> the driver
> seat. follow the fuel lines next time youre under there, or
> read the manual.

its been raining lately, I'll get up under there Sunday and look arund

> The vent lines of the in-tank pumps are really fuel return lines
> but act as
> vents when the pump isn't working.

OK, so these lines should be coming from the charcoal canister, right?

Chuck
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ionet.net/~dtra
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 22:34:19 -0600
From: "Harris, Scott"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE:

Mike,
I know how you feel. My '85 302 is just shy of 190,000. The paint still
looks as good as the day I drove it off the lot. I occasionally get an urge
for another but it's cheaper to occasionall make a repair than make a
payment!

> -----Original Message-----
> From:Mike Johnson [SMTP:MikeJ GRANGER-CO.COM]
> Sent:Friday, March 12, 1999 7:19 AM
> To:'80-96-list ford-trucks.com'
> Subject:
>
> My 86 F150 I6 just turned over 200,000 miles this morning. That's all.
> Just
> sitting here at work with 4.9 miles (How ironic!) on the truck and feeling
> a
> little bite proud of the ole thing:-) If you guy's want to see a pic of it
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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 00:34:32 -0600
From: "Justen R. Noakes"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: E4OD fluid changes

Mark,

You can not mix conventional trans. fluid and synthetic. But, if you
have the dealer change the fluid, they should drain "all" of the fluid. You
may
look into Mercon V, it is quite expensive but is designed for high heat,
viscosity reducing applications (racing, emergency vehicles, etc.). However
off-the-shelf synthetic will suffice for most everyday users.

Hope this helps,

Justen
'95 F-150, 4.9. 5 spd
'94 Thunderbird, 4.6,4R70W
- -----Original Message-----
From: msalvetti
To: Ford Trucks 80-96 ; rokkinhorse webtv.net

Date: Friday, March 12, 1999 7:09 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: E4OD fluid changes


>Randy asked me:
>
>>Mark, I used the Castrol synthetic trans fluid in mine and did the
>>changeover about 18K miles ago. Are you draining the convertor when you
>>change fluid? I'm not going to this time;it's way too expensive at 5...
>
>Hi Randy. No, I don't plan to drain the converter. Mostly because I'm
>going to have the dealer do it, and I'm pretty sure they suck the old fluid
>out from above. I just don't have the time to deal with doing it myself
>and dropping the pan.....


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