80-96-list-digest Thursday, March 11 1999 Volume 03 : Number 070



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - Re: Had Enough Of The E4OD
FTE 80-96 - Re. mpg
FTE 80-96 - Center console/seat w/ Buckets?
FTE 80-96 - F=150 Braking....
[none]
RE: FTE 80-96 - Airbag idiot light
FTE 80-96 - Re: Not The Throttle Position Sensor on 7.3L IDI Diesel!
FTE 80-96 - Lifts for 1994 F-250
FTE 80-96 - Hard starting from rear fuel tank
Re: FTE 80-96 - Hard starting from rear fuel tank
FTE 80-96 - 90 F-250 weight
RE: FTE 80-96 - 90 F-250 weight
Re: FTE 80-96 - Hard starting from rear fuel tank
Re: FTE 80-96 - 90 F-250 weight
Re: FTE 80-96 - Hard starting from rear fuel tank
Re: FTE 80-96 - 90 F-250 weight
RE: FTE 80-96 - Airbag idiot light
Re: FTE 80-96 - mpg
Re: FTE 80-96 - F=150 Braking....
FTE 80-96 - Mustang Mass Air on a Truck
FTE 80-96 - fender flare installation
RE: FTE 80-96 - Hard starting from rear fuel tank
RE: FTE 80-96 - Hard starting from rear fuel tank
Re: FTE 80-96 - Hard starting from rear fuel tank
Re: FTE 80-96 - Hard starting from rear fuel tank
RE: FTE 80-96 - Hard starting from rear fuel tank
FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: New Press Release Section on web site
RE: FTE 80-96 - Hard starting from rear fuel tank
RE: FTE 80-96 - Hard starting from rear fuel tank
Re: FTE 80-96 - Hard starting from rear fuel tank
FTE 80-96 - Cooling system
RE: FTE 80-96 - Hard starting from rear fuel tank

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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 06:16:42 -0500
From: Dave Zarnesky
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Had Enough Of The E4OD

Hi Guys,
Thanks for the info on the C6 but the truck is
a 4x4 and has 4 10 rears so I need the overdrive.
I travel about 80 mi a day to work at 65+ plus so
you know what overdrive means to me.You could
buy this truck with a 5 speed so thats why I kinda
want to go that route.

Thanks,
Dave

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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:42:36 +0100
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rnar?= Huse
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re. mpg

We had a F-250 XLT SC 4x4 w/460 & C6 when I lived in Seattle. Towing the
31ft 8500# 5thwheel we were down to 8 mpg.

We installed a GV overdrive (selector for 35 or 45 mph upshift) and had
an approximate 30% mpg gain.

(In Norway gas prices are about 4 USD / gal., so I'm dreaming about a
Bronco or Expedition diesel. Which of course isn't made...)

Regards;
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Bjornar Huse
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://bryggen.bgnett.no/~bjornar
1 Son, 3 yrs
1 Groenendael, 4 yrs
1 1990 Ford E-250 Club Wagon 7.3 diesel, 3.54, E4OD
1 1994 Ford Escort 1.3
Oh, yes, one 1971 wife, too!
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 07:06:15 -0500
From: Andrew T Vincitore
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Center console/seat w/ Buckets?

Can anyone help me find a centerseat/console setup for a 92 up Fseries? T=
he
dealer wants(gulp) $625. I don't know if it can be traced with a part # b=
ut
it's F5TZ1560136AAD Color red cloth. =

Any/all help much appreciated.

Andrew
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 07:03:47 -0600
From: "Dave Harmier"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - F=150 Braking....

Ok people, my 92 F-150 stops straight much of the time.....

Intermittently, it pulls right....and the pedal firms up at the same
time.....

More likely caliper failure, or caliper not floating properly????

Just seems odd how it can be right, wrong, and right again in three stops
;)

Dave H.
Houston, TX
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:13:58 PST
From: "Andrew Franklin"
Subject: [none]

I have an 87 Bronco XLT with 133,000 mi on the orig. fuel injected 302.
I am looking to upgrade to a 351. Can anyone tell me what is involved
in the transition? Will I have to relocate/upgrade driveline parts?
Also, is a cleveland block the better investment, or should i go with
the windsor? Any comments or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

thanks
Andrew Franklin



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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:25:12 -0700
From: "Giddens, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Airbag idiot light

Anyone know the proper way to disconnect the air bag completely or better
yet add a switch so I can shut it off at low speeds?

I once saw a lady bump into a car in the parking lot and the air bag
exploded in her face. She was burned and bleeding from the air bag otherwise
it would have maybe just been a little whip-lash but now she has burns,
lacerations and whip-lash for sure.

I don't care what you might think about the safety issue I just want to know
if it is legal and how to do it. I may decide not too depending what I hear
about the legal issues (insurance or otherwise). I am thinking it is not as
important having one in a truck since I drive defensively and have many
years experience avoiding idiots and head-on situations many times.

I just want to know my options because I have had only a few accidents and
only at low speeds and did not have to worry about losing my eyesight from
explosives going off in me face.

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From:FLR150 aol.com [SMTP:FLR150 aol.com]
Sent:Tuesday, March 09, 1999 7:36 PM
To:80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject:Re: FTE 80-96 - Airbag idiot light

David,
According to the TSB and recall put out by Ford it could be one of 2
things...the recall was on the Airbag diagnostic monitor. I believe
that it
was a faulty part and was causing the bag to deploy at inopportune
times. The
TSB #'s are as follows
TSB # 95211 Nov 95 Air Bag modules Discolored/Marred
TSB #9548 Feb 95 Concerning Code 51 -Airbag System
This list is from the latest TSB update from ALLDATA. I have yet to
receive my
software to go into the detail we ALL need to interpret these
things. As soon
as I get it I'll post any and all info anyone requests of the TSB
list. Have
your local Ford dealer tell you the circumstances and have them look
at the
recall status of your truck (have them run an OASIS). This will tell
them if
it has been taken care of.
Later
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
"Hazardous Material"
Wayne's Flareside
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In a message dated 3/9/99 8:19:55 PM Eastern Standard Time,
dshanks teleport.com writes:


dash has
started flashing while I'm driving. It'll flash three times, pause
and
repeat forever while I'm driving. Can anyone tell me what this
means? I
assume there's some fault in the airbag system, but I'd like a
little more
information before I go talk to the dealer.

Thanks for any help you can give
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:55:54 -0800
From: Vogt Family
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Not The Throttle Position Sensor on 7.3L IDI Diesel!

On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, WoodStck45 aol.com wrote:
>
> I went down a talked to our local Ford Dealer here in Hardin, IL. They said
> that the EEC is only for the transmission not for the engine. I know this guy
> pretty well so i trust him. I told him about the truck and they said it would
> be: an air leak somewhere, the mechanical fuel pump went bad, or the injection
> pump went bad.

Since you have a '94 non turbo, your engine is the non electronic 7.3.
The dealer is right that the computer does not control the engine,
however it still has a TPS which controls the E4OD. This could account
for lack of revs, however I can't quite remember the original complaint.

> Of course it would be the damn injection pump. I should have
> known trouble was coming when a leak formed about 3 months ago. I guess I
> will have to jerk that stupid thing off there and have it rebuilt. I wonder
> how much that will cost? We just put a $2000 transmission in it (E40D of
> course). As for the throttle sticking and the knock a idle all the time, i
> fixed the throttle sticking and he said if it is one of those three things are
> wrong with it then you might here a little extra knock.

Before you shell out the bucks for the injector pump I suggest that you
make absolutely certain that it is not getting a faulty signal on the
cold advance terminal from the coolant temperature sensor.

Birken
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:13:30 -0500
From: Ray Lillibridge
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Lifts for 1994 F-250

I was wondering what would be the preferred way to lift a 1994 extended
longbox F-250. I was originally thinking a 3" body lift to get started and
perhaps when the money came around, to do a suspension lift of 3-6". What
prices would I be looking at, and what brand should I use? Thank you much.


Ray - The DaZeD One

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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:50:57 -0600
From: "Chuck"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Hard starting from rear fuel tank

While using the front fuel tank I can drive to work, turn off the truck, let
it set 15 min or so, and start it back up again. When using the rear fuel
tank the truck will not start the first time after about 15 min of being
off, but it will start right up the on the second try!

Any ideas?

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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:07:05 -0500
From: John DeVincentis
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Hard starting from rear fuel tank

My truck did the same thing, but it also transferred fuel between the tanks -
the check valve (internal to the fuel pump) was bad. I was told that there
wasn't enough fuel pressure. I suggest you try to check the pressure using the
rear fuel pump. One of my fuel pumps would whine a little, so you might want to
listen too...

Good luck,
John Dee

Chuck wrote:

> While using the front fuel tank I can drive to work, turn off the truck, let
> it set 15 min or so, and start it back up again. When using the rear fuel
> tank the truck will not start the first time after about 15 min of being
> off, but it will start right up the on the second try!
>
> Any ideas?
>
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Regards,
John Dee

John DeVincentis
MITRE Corporation
202 Burlington Road M/S E090
Bedford, Massachusetts 01730
781-271-2442 (PHONE)
781-271-8583 (FAX)
jdev mitre.org (E-MAIL)



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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:24:02 -0800
From: "Josh"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 90 F-250 weight

Sorry to beat a dead horse...Went to a certified scale today and had my
truck weighed.

1990 F-250 Reg.cab 4x4 w/ 7,5L 2 full gas tanks and no aftermarket
accessories installed (not even me)

5490 lbs


Josh
berelson gte.net
Edmonds, WA

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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:49:57 -0700
From: "Giddens, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - 90 F-250 weight

Gosh, Josh,

That is 1,110 lb. lighter than Larry's F-250!

Does your truck have an E4OD also? (like Larry's)

Scott

>Dave,
>Where did you put all the lead ballast in your F-150? My 95 F-250 HD
Powerstroke 4x4 SC weighs 6600 pounds, >weighed on a certified scale, with
full tanks.
~snip~
>Larry
>>Greg,
>>I have a 92 F-150 5.0 E4OD that weighs near 7000 pounds, and gets very
similar mileage...we had an 88 I-6 5sp >>that did better on longish
trips....but I can't complain about 14.5 or so!
>>Incidentally, how is your truck geared? Mine does 2000 RPM in OD at 70
mph, about 2800 with OD locked >>out.....mines geared 3.53 (or close to
that)
>>Your six should make good power in the high teens/low 2000's RPM....check
that gearing!!!
Dave H.

-----Original Message-----
From:Josh [SMTP:berelson gte.net]
Sent:Wednesday, March 10, 1999 3:24 PM
To:Ford List
Subject:FTE 80-96 - 90 F-250 weight

Sorry to beat a dead horse...Went to a certified scale today and had
my
truck weighed.

1990 F-250 Reg.cab 4x4 w/ 7,5L 2 full gas tanks and no aftermarket
accessories installed (not even me)

5490 lbs
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:14:32 EST
From: FoxDFox aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Hard starting from rear fuel tank

your truck has three pumps: a main pump located up front on the chasis under
the firewall and two in-tank pumps. my guess is the rear tank fuel pump vent
line is plugged which breaks off the head pressure between the in-tank pump
and the main pump when the intank pump sits idle. it starts on the scond try
becuase you build up the head pressure on the first try. to correct it,
change the rear tank pump and sending unit or else just live with it.
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:17:58 -0500
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 90 F-250 weight

Where did you put all the lead ballast in your F-150? My 95 F-250 HD
Powerstroke 4x4 SC weighs 6600 pounds, >weighed on a certified scale,
with full tanks.
I have a 92 F-150 5.0 E4OD that weighs near 7000 pounds, and gets very
similar mileage...we had an 88 I-6 5sp >>that did better on longish
trips....but I can't complain about 14.5 or so! Incidentally, how is
your truck geared? Mine does 2000 RPM in OD at 70 mph, about 2800 with
OD locked out.....mines geared 3.53 (or close to that) Your six should
make good power in the high teens/low 2000's RPM....check that
gearing!!!
Sorry to beat a dead horse...Went to a certified scale today and had
my truck weighed.1990 F-250 Reg.cab 4x4 w/ 7,5L 2 full gas tanks and no
aftermarket accessories installed (not even me) 5490 lbs


Now how does someone get 7000 lbs for an f150 with a 5.0 I can believe
the weight on the f250 but there is no way any f150 ways 6600 lbs!
Chris
94 Lightning #381 (hefty 4400) 5.8L E4OD and every available option!
Now the only thing that gets heavier is extended cab and 4 wheel drive
diesels are heavier but since you cannot get them in an F150 that does
not matter.
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:25:15 -0500
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Hard starting from rear fuel tank

FoxDFox aol.com wrote:
>
> your truck has three pumps: a main pump located up front on the chasis under
> the firewall and two in-tank pumps. my guess is the rear tank fuel pump vent
> line is plugged which breaks off the head pressure between the in-tank pump
> and the main pump when the intank pump sits idle. it starts on the scond try
> becuase you build up the head pressure on the first try. to correct it,
> change the rear tank pump and sending unit or else just live with it.
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My fuel pressure regulator went up and I had this exact same problem!
Just a thought. I was running rich on the front tank and got an
occassional check engine light but sometimes it would not let me start
off the rear tank.
Chris
94 Lightning #381
NLOC #238
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:43:08 -0500
From: "Christopher Maher"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 90 F-250 weight

My 89 F150 4x4 supercab weighs exactly 5,000 lbs. with tough box, bedliner,
diamondplate bedrails and tailgate guard, and visor. It has a 5.8 and a C6.
The GVWR on the door post says 6600 lbs.

Christopher T. Maher
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From: Garr&Pam
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: March 10, 1999 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 90 F-250 weight


>Where did you put all the lead ballast in your F-150? My 95 F-250 HD
>Powerstroke 4x4 SC weighs 6600 pounds, >weighed on a certified scale,
>with full tanks.
>I have a 92 F-150 5.0 E4OD that weighs near 7000 pounds, and gets very
>similar mileage...we had an 88 I-6 5sp >>that did better on longish
>trips....but I can't complain about 14.5 or so! Incidentally, how is
>your truck geared? Mine does 2000 RPM in OD at 70 mph, about 2800 with
>OD locked out.....mines geared 3.53 (or close to that) Your six should
>make good power in the high teens/low 2000's RPM....check that
>gearing!!!
>Sorry to beat a dead horse...Went to a certified scale today and had
>my truck weighed.1990 F-250 Reg.cab 4x4 w/ 7,5L 2 full gas tanks and no
>aftermarket accessories installed (not even me) 5490 lbs
>
>
>Now how does someone get 7000 lbs for an f150 with a 5.0 I can believe
>the weight on the f250 but there is no way any f150 ways 6600 lbs!
>Chris
>94 Lightning #381 (hefty 4400) 5.8L E4OD and every available option!
>Now the only thing that gets heavier is extended cab and 4 wheel drive
>diesels are heavier but since you cannot get them in an F150 that does
>not matter.
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:18:50 -0600
From: "Anthony Rio"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Airbag idiot light

When my '94 started doing this I was told by one dealer the entire airbag
unit needed to be replaced. Then I asked a dealer who a I bought my
explorer through (and who is a close friend of the family) what it was and
he said that blink code indicated a bad connection in the circuit between
the steering column and the steering wheel. This guy is the number one Ford
truck guy in the state of Wisconsin, so I hold his explination in high
regard.

He said about $100 to fix....

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of David Shanks
> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 7:08 PM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - Airbag idiot light
>
>
> I've got a '94 F-150, and recently the airbag idiot light on the dash has
> started flashing while I'm driving. It'll flash three times, pause and
> repeat forever while I'm driving. Can anyone tell me what this means? I
> assume there's some fault in the airbag system, but I'd like a little more
> information before I go talk to the dealer.
>
> Thanks for any help you can give.
>
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:20:00 -0600
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - mpg

Sounds like the perfect application for a manual overdrive unit. Run most
of the time with it in "Hi", kick it into "Lo" when hauling heavy trailer.
I don't think you will mind the acceleration you will get with it in "Hi"
but without a trailer. If you choose ratio properly, you will have
equivalent of 3.73 or lower rear axel for everyday driving and jump bacl to
the 4.10 with the trailer. Sorry, but I can't recommend a specific
overdrive unit from experience.

PS - Put in the biggest mother transmission cooler you can find.

At 20:29 08/03/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi all, I've been a subscriber to this list for about 5 months now but
>never posted. I thought I'd introduce myself and my truck. I bought my
>truck about 6 months ago. It's an 85 F250HD 2WD Supercab, GVWR 8800lbs,
>351, C6, 4.10 gears. The previous owner hauled a 5th wheel among other
>large trailers. I will tow a 7 - 8000 lb trailer from time to time,
>which I must say it does with ease (in fact I think it drives much nicer
>with a load). I absolutely love the truck, and other than the normal
>maint/repairs a new owner does to an old truck I haven't had any
>problems to speak of (starter and u-joints being the most major so
>far). I'm fairly mech. inclined and I've rebuilt other engines in the
>past. My only disappointment is the gas mileage (I know I'm not the
>only one!) My question is, does anyone think that swapping the 4.10s
>for a higher ratio will yield any real improvement? I'm getting about
>10 mpg now, and it doesn't seam to matter where or how I drive. Half of
>my mileage is on the freeways at about 75 mph. Anyone with a 3 speed
>and 4.10s will know that it sounds like an all out war under the hood at
>
>that speed. I'd like to lower the Rs significantly, but I can't really
>afford to loose much guts at the line (after all it is a heavy truck an
>is already somewhat sluggish). Fuel prices here in Arizona are only
>about $1 per gallon right now, so the mileage increase needs to be
>somewhat significant. Thanks in advance for your comments.
>
>Sean
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Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton
'63 Buick Riviera
'80 Ford F-150
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:13:11 -0600
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - F=150 Braking....

Dave-
Have you looked recently to see how much lining you have left on the pads?
The last time I had this sort of problem I had a pad worn down to the
metal. Ouch!

At 07:03 10/03/99 -0600, you wrote:
>Ok people, my 92 F-150 stops straight much of the time.....
>
>Intermittently, it pulls right....and the pedal firms up at the same
>time.....
>
>More likely caliper failure, or caliper not floating properly????
>
>Just seems odd how it can be right, wrong, and right again in three stops

Jim Cannon
Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton
'63 Buick Riviera
'80 Ford F-150
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:53:24 -0500
From: Andrew Oldenburg
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Mustang Mass Air on a Truck

There was post about a week ago on converting a pickup speed density to a
mass air using mustang pieces(computer, harness, sensor). I had replied,
but I think that message got lost in the wastelands of the internet.
Anyway----

I had the same idea several months ago and started looking into it. I
stopped when i found out that the mustang 302 HO had a different firing
order. I don't remember the specifics, and but there a couple of cylinders
swapped in the order.

I would like to know some more of the details of the swap.

1. How did the layout of the Mustang engine harness work on the truck? Did
you have to lengthen any of the sensor connections because of different
mounting location? I know specifically that the Mass Air Sensor is on the
opposite side of the engine bay in the mustang.

2. What did you do about the air intake hoses? Starting with the filter
box to Mass Air Sensor , then to the throttle body.

3. What did you do with the extra oxygen sensor? The mustangs have dual
sensors, one for each cylinder bank. I would prefer to have this set-up in
the truck. Even the SVO mass air conversion still uses the one oxygen
sensor. I have seen a few articles where a true dual exhaust was added,
and they put the oxygen sensor on only one side. But this just never sat
right with me.

I glad to see someone else trying some experimenting with mustang parts on
a truck. There is just so much more stuff made for the mustangs.

Thanks in advance,

Andrew

'92 F150 SC, 302 cid


>Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 11:17:57 -0500
>From: "Matt Fitzsimmons"
>Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Will mustang Mass Air work on PU
>
>Been there, done that. It works..... But, the Mustang computer is not
>calibrated for the truck engine camshaft etc. I don't recall there being
>any problem with the injectors. Had to use the Mustang engine harness
>though, the truck was bank fired, and the Mustang is sequential. We
>installed the Mustang cam and headers as well. After it was all done, we
>essentially had a '90 Mustang 302 HO in the '88 F150.
>- -----Original Message-----
>From: DS Morgan
>To: Ford Truck
>Date: Saturday, February 27, 1999 10:46 AM
>Subject: FTE 80-96 - Will mustang Mass Air work on PU
>
>
>>I was wondering if an Mustang mass air system (meter & computer) would work
>>if wired into an 88 F150 Pickup's Speed Density system. I know will have to
>>go to 19lb injectors ( I believe trucks had around 14lb??) Will this work?
>I
>>have seen piggy back wiring harnesses advertised to add mass air. I would
>>like to upgrade to mass air because I want to add cam & heads. But I don't
>>won't to spend the $550 for Truck Mass Air if I can buy a system off a
>>Mustang at a local auto salvage a lot cheaper.
>>
>>Thanks for you help
>>Scott
>>


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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 21:13:10 -0500 (EST)
From: pdonk webtv.net (Philip Donk)
Subject: FTE 80-96 - fender flare installation

I recently ordered a set of rubber fender flares for my 1995 F150 and I
am really having a hell of a time trying to install them. According to
the instructions that came with the flares, I am supposed to line up
the middle of the flare with the middle of the fender and I will get an
exact fit. What my question is, Is how do I know if it is an exact fit.
I'm not sure how much of the fender is going to be covered. They
supposedly sent me custom fit flares, but like I said, I'm not really
sure what It's supposed to look like when the flares are on.

Philip J. Donk

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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 20:27:01 -0600
From: "Chuck"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Hard starting from rear fuel tank

> My truck did the same thing, but it also transferred fuel between
> the tanks -
> the check valve (internal to the fuel pump) was bad. I was told that there
> wasn't enough fuel pressure.

and this is caused only by this check valve?

I suggest you try to check the
> pressure using the
> rear fuel pump.

how do I go about checking the fuel pressure?

> One of my fuel pumps would whine a little, so you
> might want to
> listen too...
>

so you can hear them running from underneath the truck? or do you have to
get right up against them?



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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 20:27:02 -0600
From: "Chuck"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Hard starting from rear fuel tank

>
> your truck has three pumps: a main pump located up front on the
> chasis under
> the firewall

oh yeah? wow, thats news to me, I'll have to check that out. I've been under
there a hundred times, I don't remember a fuel pump being there. Learn
something everyday here.

left or right side?
is it on or in the frame?

> and two in-tank pumps. my guess is the rear tank
> fuel pump vent
> line is plugged

where is the end of this vent line? around the top of the tank? where?

which breaks off the head pressure between the
> in-tank pump
> and the main pump when the intank pump sits idle. it starts on
> the scond try
> becuase you build up the head pressure on the first try. to correct it,
> change the rear tank pump and sending unit or else just live with it.

I thought I read in here once about a fuel tank being a real pain to get out
and get to the fuel pump, how so is this legend?

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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 21:38:15 EST
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Hard starting from rear fuel tank

the one on the rail is betweeen the fuel filter and the crossover valve on the
left side of the frame under the door
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 21:38:35 EST
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Hard starting from rear fuel tank

oh yeah its about $166 in Ford new
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 20:50:36 -0600
From: "Chuck"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Hard starting from rear fuel tank

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Garr&Pam
> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 1999 5:25 PM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Hard starting from rear fuel tank
>
>
> FoxDFox aol.com wrote:
> >
> > your truck has three pumps: a main pump located up front on the
> chasis under
>
> My fuel pressure regulator went up and I had this exact same problem!

but the regulator runs out in front of both tanks, right?

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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 22:20:02 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: New Press Release Section on web site

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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 21:36:33 -0600
From: "Chuck"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Hard starting from rear fuel tank

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of ROlson1039 aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 1999 8:39 PM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Hard starting from rear fuel tank
>
>
> oh yeah its about $166 in Ford new

what is? the fuel pump?

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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 21:36:28 -0600
From: "Chuck"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Hard starting from rear fuel tank

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of ROlson1039 aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 1999 8:38 PM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Hard starting from rear fuel tank
>
>
> the one on the rail is betweeen the fuel filter and the crossover
> valve on the
> left side of the frame under the door

thanks, I'll look at it
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 22:49:44 EST
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Hard starting from rear fuel tank

yes the rail mounted fuel pump
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 20:05:46 -0800
From: "Josh"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Cooling system....


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