80-96-list-digest Tuesday, January 12 1999 Volume 03 : Number 007



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - A little more (or more usefull) torque from my 5.0L????
Re: FTE 80-96 - Engine Code Reader
FTE 80-96 - Computer codes
FTE 80-96 - RE: checking flatness head/block
FTE 80-96 - EEC-IV and V test diagrams and such
FTE 80-96 - 430 w/ C-6
FTE 80-96 - Tranny fluid
FTE 80-96 - 5.0 Rangers in California?
Re: FTE 80-96 - 5.0 Rangers in California?
FTE 80-96 - Electronic control for E4OD tranny
Re: FTE 80-96 - Electronic control for E4OD tranny
FTE 80-96 - Re: Changing trans fluid
FTE 80-96 - Gearing on '85 Bronco
FTE 80-96 - RE: pulsating headlights
Re: FTE 80-96 - Off Topic, Lincoln 430-V8 and a C-6
Re: FTE 80-96 - Off Topic, Lincoln 430-V8 and a C-6
Re: FTE 80-96 - '85 F350 6.9l power off!
Re: FTE 80-96 - Electronic control for E4OD tranny
Re: FTE 80-96 - checking flatness head/block
Re: FTE 80-96 - Change Transmission Fluid
Re: FTE 80-96 - Engine Code Reader
FTE 80-96 - Stereo upgrade

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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 07:19:23 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - A little more (or more usefull) torque from my 5.0L????

In a message dated 1/10/99 11:07:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, dharmier gte.net
writes:


performance levels. I like letter A, best power 1000-3000 RPM Smooth
Idle.

Would I really feel a difference from such a cam?
>>
Well Dave, FIRST and foremost I would find out the brand of the cam that JC is
offering. I personally have the E303 motorsports cam and I am rather happy
with it. Ford MOTORSPORT has a selection of 5 or 6 cams now that offer from
MILD to WILD. One of the cams is almost the same as the stock profile except
is has a better lobe thickness and has a bit more lift to get the fuel flowing
better. I'd try getting a new SVO/MOTORSPORT catalog or logging on to Summit's
website. I believe they have a link to SVO on there. And as far as a cam
having a power band from 1k to 3k....I have done some work to my truck (heads,
cam, exhaust, etc., etc.) and I make power from 2k all the way up to 4500.
That is a very low rpm number and I would be a little wary of the brand.
Wayne Foy
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 07:24:47 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Engine Code Reader

In a message dated 1/10/99 9:06:37 PM Eastern Standard Time,
ROlson1039 aol.com writes:


on
Ford and Chevy and it gives you complete code listings too >

I just bought the ACTRON brand scanner for Ford. It has all the codes and also
has about 3 or 4 different test modes and a way to clear he continuous codes,
without touching the 2 cables together and pushing on the brake petal (I don't
know about you guys, but I'm not Stretch Armstrong). It was only $34.99. And
if you can find it at the local parts store then you don't need to wait for it
from a mail order and you don't have to pay shipping.
JMHO,
Wayne Foy
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 07:34:21 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Computer codes

I just wanted to let everyone know that I figured out the problem. I guess in
my process of checking the voltage on my non-adjustable TPS, I think one of
the stick pins I was using must have grounded and caused the code. I cleared
all the codes, disconnected the battery, pulled the computer and my
aftermarket chip. I then ran 2 batches of tests, one without the Superchip and
one with. I am guessing that my unplugging the computer and chip then
reconnecting the com must have done it. During both batches of codes I got the
111 on the initial codes list and then under the continuous all I had was the
411 codes which is rough or low idle (CAM). Just thought I'd give everyone the
heads up and let you know I solved the problem.
Wayne Foy
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 08:26:45 -0600
From: "David Anderson (EUS)"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: checking flatness head/block

>My question is what is the best way to check the head and block for
flatness?
89 300 6 cyl. I am down to the head and will pull it off sat. any other
tips
will be appreciated.

While your this far along I'd spend the additional $100 or less and take the
head to a machine shop for cleanup, valve grinding and new seals and let
them check it for flatness and shave as necessary. The valve seals will be
part of the "upper end gasket set" that you could buy to get the head
gasket.
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 09:48:36 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - EEC-IV and V test diagrams and such

Fellow Knowledge Seekers,
I just wanted to post this link for any of you who are having computer
troubles in your truck. This site is VERY detailed on how to check you codes
using a test light or multimeter and all of the other self diagnostics the
EEC-IV and EEC-V are capable of. Check it out,
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside Supercab






Click here: EEC IV Self
Test - Ford Fuel Injection and EE...
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:00:53 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 430 w/ C-6

Bob Kennedy writes: >> Pardon the off-topic. I found a 430 V8 and C6 that
the owner is giving away.

This is strictly MYHO.

Leave it where it is. The 430 was never a very potent engine - was too
heavy to be anything but a boat anchor - was also offered in 383Cuin Size
in the Mercury. No FOMOCO support anymore and was never any aftermarket
support.

The C6 was not yet introduced when the 430 was offered. It must be a
Cruise-o-matic, which was a reliable automatic and the forerunner to the
C6.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:03:19 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Tranny fluid

Tom Gunby writes: >>Is what I bought ok or do I need to return
and get something else?

It is OK.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: 11 Jan 99 12:34:57 MST
From: Tim Clevenger
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 5.0 Rangers in California?

Anybody out there drive a Ranger with a 5.0L or 5.7L in California? Please
e-mail me off-list. I'm interested in hearing about your setup, any install
problems you ran into, and what it's like getting smogged every two years.
I'm interested in dropping a 5.0 and 5-speed into my '83 Ranger.

Thanks.

Regards,

Tim Clevenger
'86 Ford Ranger 'S' 2WD (181k)
'83 Ford Ranger 2WD (163k)

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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 12:55:35 -0400
From: Danny Metz
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 5.0 Rangers in California?

Tim,

I don't know about CA, but I built a similar toy here in SC. Mine was an
84, and I put in an 88 model 5.0 from a Mustang. I changed the FI to an
aluminum intake, and Holley 600. I used a C4, and bought the complete kit
from Total Perfomance. It was a simple swap, I only had to drill one 3/8"
hole to bolt the engine into the chassis. I built it with all the
accessories, AC, PS, PB using the original brackets from the Mustang. The
headers were Tri-Y's from TP. I kept it totally stock looking, except for
the 2" exhaust pipes I ran out the RH side of the bumper. It was a
fantastic setup, it drove and rode like a stocker, and could smoke most of
the late model pony cars. It unfortunately met with an untimely death,
otherwise, I would still be driving it!

Danny


>Anybody out there drive a Ranger with a 5.0L or 5.7L in California? Please
>e-mail me off-list. I'm interested in hearing about your setup, any install
>problems you ran into, and what it's like getting smogged every two years.
>I'm interested in dropping a 5.0 and 5-speed into my '83 Ranger.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Regards,
>
>Tim Clevenger
>'86 Ford Ranger 'S' 2WD (181k)
>'83 Ford Ranger 2WD (163k)
>
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:44:04 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Electronic control for E4OD tranny

Any of you guys had any experience with: Bauman Engineering & Design
702 S. Mechanic St.
Pendleton, SC. 29670
Ph# (864) 646-8920
Fax# (864) 646-8925
E-mail Greg Baumannengineering.com

They have a write up that sounds awfully good to me. Sounds just like what
I've been looking for..I just want to check them out 1st.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:57:17 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Electronic control for E4OD tranny

What are you looking for Azie? A stand alone controller for the E40D?

am14 daimlerchrysler.com wrote:
Any of you guys had any experience with: Bauman Engineering & Design
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside Supercab
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:15:12 -0900
From: "L WALTERS"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Changing trans fluid

The filter and gasket should come in the same box for a C-6 fluid change.
However, I do recommend draining the torque converter, it contains half of
the fluid and is easier to do than the pan. This is one thing GM owners wish
they had "A way to drain converter"!!!
The rock guard on lower front of bell housing has two screws that hold it
in.
A guy can use a big screwdriver to turn the engine with the ring gear, once
plate is removed.
A 9/16 wrench (to hold converter in place) and a 7/16 socket to remove drain
plug, that's it !!

I drilled a hole in the pan of my C-6 and welded a 5/16 nut to it for a
drain hole, cut out a piece of gasket material and stuffed it on a capscrew
(shortest I could find) and... wala, It is simple to change fluid, all of
the fluid.
"What about the filter?" you ask.
Filter, I don't even call it a filter. I call it a chunk of screen door.
I have never found anything in those screens in nine years of maintaining
twenty-six C-6's in our fleet.
Bart-AK

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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:29:06 -0800
From: spencer stromberglaw.com (Spencer)
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Gearing on '85 Bronco

I am looking for input from list subscribers regarding the potential need to
change the gearing on my '85 Bronco (EB, 351, 3spd AT). I bought the truck
about 2 months ago. It had a new 351 installed about a year ago (9000 miles
on it) by the prior owner. It has 33" tires also installed by the prior
owner. At times (particularly from a stop) it feels like it has less power
than it should, and I wonder if the tall tires effectively changed the gear
ratio and reducing the amount of useable power at the rear tires. The
transmission shifts a lot at highway speeds (50-60 mph) when I push on the
gas pedal to accelerate or maintain speed up a slope. Compounding the
problem (and a separate problem by itself) is the fact that the transmission
seems to fail to shift down to 1st gear when I stop at a light. I am
wondering if there is an easy fix for this, or if it may be a sign of real
transmission problems. Any thoughts?

Spencer Stromberg


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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:24:04 -0800
From: "Posluszny, Walt (POSL)"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: pulsating headlights

> Bret Luter, Raleigh, NC
> '85 F350 6.9l diesel with no juice! Said :[
>
> p.s.- lately I've noticed the headlights pulsating slightly at idle,
> they burn evenly when you rev the motor, I've heard this could be a
> voltage regulator problem?? Could this be related?]
>
Bret, last time I had this happen to me it was my voltage regulator.
You can get a heavy duty unit for your rig and the pulsating problem should
go away. Relatively cheap, fast and easy to install. Walt
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:46:18 -0500
From: Lord_Xaenon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Off Topic, Lincoln 430-V8 and a C-6

Bob Kennedy wrote:
>
> Pardon the off-topic. I found a 430 V8 and C6 that the owner
> is giving away. I know it's an oldie. I am not all familiar
> with this engine. Any help?

It's an oddball Ford engine, last offered in 1965. Parts
are really scarce (aside from wrecking yards) and the only
thing that I know for sure it will bolt into is Lincolns 1968
and prior, late-fifties and early-sixties T-birds, and Edsels.
If you want to put it into something else you'll probably
have to make special motor brackets and stuff, although
Edsels were basically full-size Ford/Mercury chassis, so
by extension they might fit late-fifties/early-sixties
Galaxies and Montereys and such. As far as I know, the
"MEL" V8s weren't used in trucks.

It's a really bizarre engine design that has nothing in common
with any of Ford's other V8s. The heads have no combustion
chambers, and the cylinder block deck face is angled to create
a combustion chamber inside the cylinder. Other engines in
the "MEL" family include the 383 (yes, FoMoCo made a 383!),
the 410 (Edsel only, I think), and the Lincoln-only 462.

If it's in good running condition and you have something to
bolt it into, take it. If it needs a lot of work, I'd
check around and see what parts I can find before making a
decision.

The C6 should be standard-issue sixties-vintage Ford, with
the "FE" (352/390/428) bellhousing bolt pattern. Lincoln
automatics were typically heavy-duty units, in fact, Fords
fitted with Police packages were equipped with the Lincoln
automatics. Some Lincolns used oddball tailshaft housings,
but usually the housings can be removed and replaced with
the regular parts. So even if you can't use the engine,
you might be able to do something with the trans if you
have a 390 or 428 laying around.

Mark.


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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:07:14 -0500
From: Lord_Xaenon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Off Topic, Lincoln 430-V8 and a C-6

> Pardon the off-topic. I found a 430 V8 and C6 that the owner
> is giving away. I know it's an oldie. I am not all familiar
> with this engine. Any help?

It's an oddball Ford engine, last offered in 1965. Parts
are really scarce (aside from wrecking yards) and the only
thing that I know for sure it will bolt into is Lincolns 1968
and prior, late-fifties and early-sixties T-birds, and Edsels.
If you want to put it into something else you'll probably
have to make special motor brackets and stuff, although
Edsels were basically full-size Ford/Mercury chassis, so by
extension they might fit late-fifties/early-sixties Galaxies
and Montereys and such. As far as I know, the "MEL" V8s
weren't used in trucks. There is zero available for it in
terms of speed parts, though Ford DID make a halfhearted
effort in the late fifties and early sixties with 430s in
T-birds. It didn't do too well.

It's a really bizarre engine design that has nothing in common
with any of Ford's other V8s. The heads have no combustion
chambers, and the cylinder block deck face is angled to create
a combustion chamber inside the cylinder. Other engines in
the "MEL" family include the 383 (yes, FoMoCo made a 383!),
the 410 (Edsel only, I think), and the Lincoln-only 462. The
engines are seriously heavy (heavier than the 390s!) and not
worth a lot except (maybe) to a Lincoln devotee or an Edsel
guy.

If it's in good running condition and you have something to
bolt it into, take it. If it needs a lot of work, I'd
check around and see what parts I can find before making a
decision. It's actually easier to find parts for the old
Flatheads than it is for those Lincoln mills.

The C6 should be standard-issue sixties-vintage Ford, with
the "FE" (352/360/390) bellhousing bolt pattern. Lincoln
automatics were typically heavy-duty units, in fact, Fords
fitted with Police packages were equipped with the Lincoln
automatics. Some Lincolns used oddball tailshaft housings,
but usually the housings can be removed and replaced with
the regular parts. So even if you can't use the engine,
you might be able to do something with the trans if you
have a 390 or 428 laying around.

Check that trans carefully; if that engine is really a 430
there's a real good chance that it isn't really a C6. The
C6 was first offered in 1966, but the 430 was last used in
1965. The engine COULD be a 462, which was used 1966-1968
and looks identical to the 430, in which case the odds are
it is a C6. If it is, in fact, a 430, then it is likely
that the trans would be the old Ford Cruise-o-Matic. The
C6 has an aluminum case; the Cruise-o-Matic is cast iron.
Again, you might be able to use the trans or sell it to
someone who has an "FE" engine (352/360/390).

Hope this helps....

Mark.


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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:16:35 EST
From: Bakend aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - '85 F350 6.9l power off!

In a message dated 1/10/99 8:04:56 PM Mountain Standard Time,
bretluter hotmail.com writes:

> Something big must be broken because I have no
> headlights, instruments, radio, interior lights, nothing! It was too
> dark and too cold to keep checking things so here's where I need your
> help. What do I look for? Anyone ever experience anything like this?
>
Sounds to me like you blew a fusible link. This will look like a blob on the
wire close to the connector. Usually at the starter solenoid.
Good Luck
Dennis Baken
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:11:11 -0500
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Electronic control for E4OD tranny

am14 daimlerchrysler.com wrote:
>
> Any of you guys had any experience with: Bauman Engineering & Design
> 702 S. Mechanic St.
> Pendleton, SC. 29670
> Ph# (864) 646-8920
> Fax# (864) 646-8925
> E-mail Greg Baumannengineering.com
>
> They have a write up that sounds awfully good to me. Sounds just like what
> I've been looking for..I just want to check them out 1st.
>
> Azie
> Ardmore, Al.
>
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Have heard alot of good things about bauman from the Lightning
guys...also Banks is also another good company...ask the powerstroke
guys about this as well as the Lightning owners
Chris
94 Lightning #381
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:14:17 -0000
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - checking flatness head/block

Lay a straight edge along the block deck at various angles and try to fit a
flat blade feeler gauge under it. If the block and head are not warped you
should not be able to get a gauge under the straight edge. Because of the
long head on the 300 warpage is definitely something to watch for.

Rade
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To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Saturday, January 09, 1999 4:10 AM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - checking flatness head/block


>Hey guys,
>Thanks for your help with the antifreeze odor problem. It turned out to be
the
>head gasket. Its blowing the coolant out thru the exhaust. not in the oil
>pan.did a pressure test and it holds strong , but its going and im doing
the
>job right now.
>
>My question is what is the best way to check the head and block for
flatness?
>89 300 6 cyl. I am down to the head and will pull it off sat. any other
tips
>will be appreciated.
>
> Joe
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:24:06 -0000
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Change Transmission Fluid

The only way changing the oil in the tranny could make it slip is if the
metal particles in the fluid are the only thing allowing the clutch plates
to grip in which case you need more than an oil change. If your tranny pan
does not have a drain plug then changing the fluid yourself is a messy
proposition. As far as draining the torque converter it really is not that
much trouble, and most of your lube-and-oil places don't even do it. But if
you want to get ALL the old fluid out it is definitely recommended.

Rade
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From: Tom Gunby
To: Ford Truck Discussion Group
Date: Sunday, January 10, 1999 12:03 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Change Transmission Fluid


>Have '86 F150 4x2 w/ 302 EFI & auto trans (c6?). Truck has 95M miles
>and I would like to change the transmission fluid. Was told by local
>mechanic that changing the fliud could cause the transmission to slip??
>I don't follow the logic behind his statement. Also, in researching the
>task on the internet, I found a comment about draining the "torque
>converter" in addition to removing the pan to drain the transmission
>fluid. The description of draining the torque converter included
>removal of a plate from the front of the transmission and turning the
>engine over to get to the torque converter drain plug. This seems much
>more complicated than I anticipated. Is draining of the torque
>converter necessary in addition to removing the pan to drain the
>transmission fluid? Finally, is there any type of "filter" to be
>changed in connection with this job? Sorry for so many questions but
>better to ask than do it wrong or not do it at all.
>Thank you.
>Tom Gunby
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:36:23 -0000
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Engine Code Reader

Hey Erston, I live in Edmonds and I have a code reader so if you want to use
it, just drop me a line and I will be happy to loan it to you. You can pull
the codes with out a code reader to, if you have a multimeter.

Rade
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From: Erston Reisch
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, January 11, 1999 12:46 AM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Engine Code Reader


>List,
>
>New member here, just picked up my '90 F-150 Friday. It's a 300, Auto 4x2
>(A4OD, I think - it's got the OD disable button on the dash). It's my
first
>pickup, and I've been really happy - why didn't I buy one sooner? :)
>
>The posts about the check engine light caught my eye: My light is coming on
>occasionally and turning off after 5-30 seconds. It seems random, but I
think
>it's happening when I come off the throttle.. so my question:
>
>I've heard about "code readers" to check the codes, but I don't know who
makes
>these, where to buy them, and how much they should cost. Any advice or
>suggestions would be greatly appreciated! I'm no stranger to auto
>electronics, but this is my first Ford product and I don't know where to
>start.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>- Erston....

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