80-96-list-digest Monday, March 8 1999 Volume 03 : Number 067



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - F-150 Brakes, Uneven Pad Wear?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Transmission Coolers
Re: FTE 80-96 - F-150 Power Door Lock Problems
Re: FTE 80-96 - Transmission Coolers
FTE 80-96 - Re: transmission coolers
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: transmission coolers
Re: FTE 80-96 - Had Enough Of The E4OD
Re: FTE 80-96 - F-150 Brakes, Uneven Pad Wear?
FTE 80-96 - PVC sludge
Re: FTE 80-96 - Transmission Coolers
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: transmission coolers
Re: FTE 80-96 - F-150 Brakes, Uneven Pad Wear?
Re: FTE 80-96 - PVC sludge
RE: FTE 80-96 - Transmission Coolers
RE: FTE 80-96 - Transmission Coolers
RE: FTE 80-96 - Re: transmission coolers
Re: FTE 80-96 - Transmission Coolers
FTE 80-96 - AOD or E4OD
FTE 80-96 - Power door locks
FTE 80-96 - Funny noise.
FTE 80-96 - Throttle Position Sensor on 7.3L IDI Diesel
Re: FTE 80-96 - AOD or E4OD
Re: FTE 80-96 - HEATER CONTROL
Re: FTE 80-96 - HEATER CONTROL
FTE 80-96 - power steering 88 e-350 van
FTE 80-96 - '86 F150 rear brakes
FTE 80-96 - Diesel milage.....

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Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 06:57:18 -0500
From: S Spaulding
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - F-150 Brakes, Uneven Pad Wear?

Shawn,

It sounds like either the caliper isn't sliding, or the piston is stuck in the
caliper. You can buy a new caliper at NAPA for about $20.

Steve



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Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 07:03:43 -0500
From: S Spaulding
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Transmission Coolers

When you add an external cooler, it should go through through the new cooler
first, and then through the in-tank cooler, which will warm it up in the winter.
BTW, Ford uses either a 160 or 180 degree thermostat for the transmission,
depending on the application.

Steve

JSC721 aol.com wrote:

> Ok, I have a question about how you guys installed your transmission coolers.
> Did you use the trans cooler and the radiator trans cooler? Or did you bypass
> the radiator cooler and just hook up the transmission cooler??
>
> Joe
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Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 09:36:22 EST
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - F-150 Power Door Lock Problems

i would see if i could get the rod from the actuator offof the rest of the
system and try it then.. if its easy to move then ya know the problem.. most
of these items are riveted on so you gotta drill them out to remove the item
and replace the rivets with small screws or nuts and bolts
Bob
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Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 09:37:40 EST
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Transmission Coolers

mine uses both coolers
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Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 10:17:12 -0500
From: "PmctBaker"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: transmission coolers

how about a transmission cooler for the everyday, tow once or twice a year
truck? would we get any improvement? im changing out the fluid, and
flushing out the radiator cooler now. I put a new filter on a year ago, but
only toped it off. it shifts great, and I have no complaints. but the
fluid isn't the nice red it once was, and as long as I have it
apart........

mike baker
pmbaker your-net.com



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Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 11:04:22 EST
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: transmission coolers

mike ,
under any conditions a tranny cooler will improve the life of the tranny.. the
red disappeared in the fluid due to wear or and burning.. the cooler will slow
the wearing and overheating,, remember the whole principal of the automobile
is to have as little heat and friction as possible excpt of course for the
brakes..
Various places including auto parts stores, JC Whitney and anf reputable
tranny shop has a variety of external tranny coolers, and hopefully ( see the
parts chimp letters LOL) the trained people can recommend the one best suited
for your needs.
Hope it helps
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Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 11:21:22 EST
From: JSC721 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Had Enough Of The E4OD

Hey Dave,
How about putting a C-6 in that baby. I have 2 trucks, an 89 f-250 & 89 e-250
and they both have C-6s. The C-6 is a tough transmission. I dont care about
gas mileage.
My trucks are workhorses and they make me money. They get the best care
though,
and they pay for their fuel consumption. I dont like to knock the e4od
transmissions,
but I hear problem after problem with those trannys.It would be alot easier
and less expensive to go with the auto tranny. Alot of work and money to
install a clutch and everything else. If it were me I would go with the C-6
auto.You will be happy you did. Good Luck.

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Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 12:23:48 -0500
From: Andre Roy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - F-150 Brakes, Uneven Pad Wear?

Shawn & Jennifer Clark wrote:
>
> Hi-
>
> I've had a '91 F-150 for about 18 months. It was in better mechanical
> shape and better maintained than a dozen other Fords I drove, but it still
> seems to be a maintenance hog. The latest is the inboard passenger side
> front brake pad. It wore down to metal on me (actually the wife was
> driving it when the trouble began...) Strange thing is the driver's side
> still has a reasonable amount of pad left. Also, both sides still have
> about 1/2 pad left on the outboard side. Is this a normal wear pattern on
> Fords?
>
No. The caliper is sticking. Disassemble, replace pads. Check the
caliper. Lube properly with caliper grease. Do both sides for good
measure.




> a trip during a 105 degree day. I used to think Fix Or Repair Daily was
> said in jest, now I'm beginning to wonder.
>
Backwards, it Driver Returns On Foot! ;-)
Any vehicle that isn't properly maintained will start being cantakerous,
or even downright cranky. That's an eight year old truck you have there.
Imagine the fun I have with my eighteen year old truck! :-/


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Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 09:32:44 -0800
From: bob chaytor
Subject: FTE 80-96 - PVC sludge

I was just wondering if others are having this same problem?
my 88 F150, 302 EFI has a severe sludge problem coming from the PVC
system . After a few days of driving the PVC air inlet filter is
saturated and the breather hose is filling up.
The weird part is when I removed the valve covers they were clean.
I did a cooling system / combustion chamber pressure test and everything
is okee dokee
I do live in a wet area but it sure seems excessive for that to be a
problem.
My next cure to this problem and many others is to build a 70's truck.
BOB CHAYTOR
SOOKE BC
88 F150
72 fj40 LAND CRUISER, MUCH MORE DEPENDABLE

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Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 12:03:30 -0600
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Transmission Coolers

Keep them both. I think the one you add should be second, after the factory
one.

At 01:24 07/03/99 EST, you wrote:
>Ok, I have a question about how you guys installed your transmission coolers.
>Did you use the trans cooler and the radiator trans cooler? Or did you bypass
>the radiator cooler and just hook up the transmission cooler??

Jim Cannon
Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton
'63 Buick Riviera
'80 Ford F-150
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Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 11:37:36 -0600
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: transmission coolers

In a hot climate (like Texas) if you drive in stop and go traffic (like in
Houston) the added cooler is a REAL good idea to help transmission last.

Otherwise, not as critical if you are not pulling a load or putting other
heat-generating demands on it (like off road hill climbing, getting unstuck
from sand, mud, etc.)

At 10:17 07/03/99 -0500, you wrote:
>how about a transmission cooler for the everyday, tow once or twice a year
>truck? would we get any improvement? im changing out the fluid, and
>flushing out the radiator cooler now. I put a new filter on a year ago, but
>only toped it off. it shifts great, and I have no complaints. but the
>fluid isn't the nice red it once was, and as long as I have it
>apart........
>
>mike baker
>pmbaker your-net.com
>
>
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'29 Ford Model A Phaeton
'63 Buick Riviera
'80 Ford F-150
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Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 12:02:34 -0600
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - F-150 Brakes, Uneven Pad Wear?

There are several things to investigate:
1. Ford sells a front disc brake hardware kit with all new springs and
keepers and such. Heat makes them weak over time. If it is not obvious that
they have been changed, get the kit.

2. More wear on inner pad than on outer pad is common. The places on the
front spindles where the calipers slide often gets rusty and grungy,
keeping the caliper from really floating like they are supposed to. Brake
pressure is only applied to the inner pad. The caliper presses on the
outside pad as a balancing force, if the caliper does not bind.

Before reassembling with new pads, clean all these surfaces really well and
give them a _light_ coat of high-temp grease to keep everything sliding
freely.

3. Someone mentioned sticky caliper. Because you are having the severe
problem on one side, I'd say this is a good bet for this case. You may want
to go ahead and replace calipers on both sides while you have it all apart;
no additional work and not too much added cost. Do it right and do it once.

4. This truck is not old enought to likely have this problem, but collapsed
brake hoses on the inside will sometimes not allow cliper or shoe to return
properly. Some residual pressure is maintained and the pad or shoe rubs.
This will kill MPG and burn up pads or shoes mucho rapido. Will also warp
discs.

It sounds to me like you are suffering because the person who did the brake
work last time maybe took a few shortcuts.

At 00:47 07/03/99 -0600, you wrote:
>Hi-
>
>I've had a '91 F-150 for about 18 months. It was in better mechanical
>shape and better maintained than a dozen other Fords I drove, but it still
>seems to be a maintenance hog. The latest is the inboard passenger side
>front brake pad. It wore down to metal on me (actually the wife was
>driving it when the trouble began...) Strange thing is the driver's side
>still has a reasonable amount of pad left. Also, both sides still have
>about 1/2 pad left on the outboard side. Is this a normal wear pattern on
>Fords? My Nissan and Honda pads both wear pretty evenly (side to side,
>inboard vs. outboard). I had noticed that the truck was starting to pull
>slightly to one side under heavy braking a few months before...but I don't
>recall the direction of the pull.


Jim Cannon
Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton
'63 Buick Riviera
'80 Ford F-150
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Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 12:09:25 -0600
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - PVC sludge

The "oil flowing up into my air filter" problem is a recurring theme on
this Ford trucks list. I don't know of anyone that has a good explanation
or cure. I have learned to live with it, but it does bug me. It seems like,
under certain conditions (wish I knew what there were!) the PCV system does
not SUCK hard enough to get all of the blow-by OUT of the crankcase and it
has nowhere else to go but up into the air inlet part of the system, the
wrong way. Beats me, doc!

At 09:32 07/03/99 -0800, you wrote:
>I was just wondering if others are having this same problem?
>my 88 F150, 302 EFI has a severe sludge problem coming from the PVC
>system . After a few days of driving the PVC air inlet filter is
>saturated and the breather hose is filling up.
>The weird part is when I removed the valve covers they were clean.
>I did a cooling system / combustion chamber pressure test and everything
>is okee dokee
>I do live in a wet area but it sure seems excessive for that to be a
>problem.

Jim Cannon
Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton
'63 Buick Riviera
'80 Ford F-150
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Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 12:16:08 -0600
From: "Chuck"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Transmission Coolers

> ----- Original Message -----
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> Sent:Sunday, March 07, 1999, 0:24:09
> To:80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject:Re: FTE 80-96 - Transmission Coolers
>
> Ok, I have a question about how you guys installed your transmission
> coolers.
> Did you use the trans cooler and the radiator trans cooler? Or did you
> bypass
> the radiator cooler and just hook up the transmission cooler??

I have photos if you would like to see?
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Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 12:16:09 -0600
From: "Chuck"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Transmission Coolers

> ----- Original Message -----
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> [SMTP:owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com] on behalf of S Spaulding
> [SMTP:ss80xt worldnet.att.net]
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> Sent:Sunday, March 07, 1999, 6:03:43
> To:80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject:Re: FTE 80-96 - Transmission Coolers
>
> When you add an external cooler, it should go through through the new
> cooler
> first,

no, no no....

it goes through the in-radiator first, then to the installed cooler
(provided you have it installed in front of the radiator and air conditioner
heat exchanger)

picture this:

Your way - hot fluid enters the installed cooler, then enters the in-tank
cooler, the hot air coming from the installed cooler would be warmer and
heatin up the in-tank cooler.

Manufactures way - go through the in-tank cooler first, then route it to the
installed cooler, which should be installed in front of everything else,
then back to the trans. This way, the hottest fluid is cooled prior to
moving out to an even cooler spot (the installed cooler) which by now is not
heating up in-tank cooler.

> and then through the in-tank cooler, which will warm it up in the
> winter.

hmmm, never heard of a winter option, the trans fluid will warm up, even in
the coldest winters. I don't know about routing it this way... it would
defeat the purpose of over heating in the summer time.

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Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 12:30:33 -0600
From: "Chuck"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Re: transmission coolers

> how about a transmission cooler for the everyday, tow once or twice a year
> truck? would we get any improvement? im changing out the fluid, and
> flushing out the radiator cooler now. I put a new filter on a year ago,
but
> only toped it off. it shifts great, and I have no complaints. but the
> fluid isn't the nice red it once was, and as long as I have it
> apart........
>

It will never hurt it, but it can always help it!

I spent $57 for a 22,500 GVW cooler, the biggest I could find.

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Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 13:45:00 EST
From: JSC721 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Transmission Coolers

Yes would like to see the photos.I just wanted to get a few opinions . I have
installed many transmission coolers and I have always used the radiator cooler
and the add on trans cooler. Im not sure which order i did it, but Im almost
positive that I went thru the radiator first. My fluid stays so cool , that
you can hold those tranny lines with your hand and they feel warm. not hot.


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Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 14:48:03 PST
From: 2insane excite.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - AOD or E4OD

Hello. just wondering if someone can help me out. i have a 89 f-150 and was
wondering if it has the A0D or E4OD. I think it's the E40D but i'm not
sure.
ALso wondering what kind of problems it has and possibly some fixes to make
it better? thanx.




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Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 18:44:27 -0500
From: Paul
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Power door locks

Are you sure it's the driver door giving you problems? It's usually the
passenger door.
I took my right power lock solenoid out of my 91 Bronco:
Loosen the upper part of the 2 pc door panel.
Drill out, or grind down the 2 pop rivets which are on the door jamb.
Grab the motor and twist it out of the little hole where the top of the
actuator rod resides.
That's it! Unless, you want to spend about $100 for a new one.
Mine was so tight that I couldn't unlock the door from the inside with
the lock button. I grabbed it with pliers and pulled the whole rod out!
Seized door locks really "lock up".
BTW, I disassembled an 86 Chrysler New Yorker and took out the 4 power
door solenoids, and they are nearly identical except for the actuator
rod, which can be switched with the Ford one. It seems that the motors
and a short piece of rod are the same, and the extension piece of rod
varies fm car to car.

Paul G.
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Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 18:48:11 -0500
From: Paul
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Funny noise.

When I begin to drive my 91 Bronco up a steep grade, I hear a binding,
banging noise a few times fm underneath. It sounds like someone is
hitting the driveshaft with a hammer, 3 or 4 times, then it quits.

This truck is new to me. I had the CV joints rebuilt. Would the slip
joint cause this kind of noise? No problems except when the road angle
changes sharply.

Paul G.
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Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 18:59:04 EST
From: WoodStck45 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Throttle Position Sensor on 7.3L IDI Diesel

Guys

We have a 1994 Ford F-250 ,7.3L IDI non-turbo diesel, H.D., E40D
(junk)(rebuilt). My dad got in it to drive it this morning and it was like it
had no power what so ever. It was almost like it lost all its torque
overnight. When you put the truck in gear and drive it, it will never rev
over 2300 rpm's no matter how far you push the pedal down. But, if you push
the pedal to the floor it will stick wide open even after you left off,
therefore you have to shut the truck off going down the road and release it
under the hood. It will only rev to its governed engine rpm (i think it is
3800 but depends on the load) if it is locked in first or if it is in neutral.
I thought it might be the fuel filter clogged up, but we just changed it. So
i popped open the EEC and put the truck on the computer here at home and code
"23" came up and translates into "Throttle Position Sensor". It kinda makes
sense i guess. Anyways (something else out of the ordinary) when the truck is
cold and it is on "high idle" it makes more of a knocking sound when you drive
it. Then after it warms up to a certain temp. it goes to normal idle (If you
drive a Ford Diesel you will know exactly what i am talking about). Now since
the truck acts like it has no power the engine makes the same sound at normal
idle (knocking) as is does at high idle. I know there is nothing wrong with
the engine mechanically because i have heard all these sounds before. Do
think maybe the throttle position sensor possibly being bad could cause the
"knock" at normal idle? Do you guys know what it looks like, where its at,
or how much a new one costs? I thought maybe it is where i release the
throttle when it sticks, but there are so many different parts there i don't
know which one it is. Any comments, answers, or suggestions will be
appreciated.

Thanks alot
Paul
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Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 20:32:09 -0000
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - AOD or E4OD

If you have a lockout switch for the overdrive (either on the shift stalk or
the dash) then you have an E40D. The AOD shifter pattern has no "2"
position, just "OD" ("D" with a circle), "d", and "1".

Rade
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Date: Sunday, March 07, 1999 10:50 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - AOD or E4OD


>Hello. just wondering if someone can help me out. i have a 89 f-150 and was
>wondering if it has the A0D or E4OD. I think it's the E40D but i'm not
>sure.
>ALso wondering what kind of problems it has and possibly some fixes to make
>it better? thanx.
>
>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 20:49:42 -0800
From: Erston Reisch
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - HEATER CONTROL

Matt/List,

This is an excellent suggestion - any advice on the list on ideas of putting
an on/off switch in the connecting to the A/C clutch? I was thinking a relay
and then a switch in the cabin, but don't know if this is a "good thing".

I too would like to run in defrost or floor/def mode without engaging the A/C
clutch - simply because I sometimes need just a little defrost air and don't
like dragging my mileage down because of it.

- - Erston ('90 F-150 XLT-Lariat, 300ci, E4OD, 59k miles)




Matthew Banevich wrote:
> Paul Laughlin wrote:
> > You know, I don't remember having that much trouble defrosting windows
> > before they came up with this smart idea to use the AC to dry the air.
> > Amd I spent some time in very cold country, too. Also, the heater and
> > defroster seem to work fine in vehicles that do not have AC. I would
> > like very much to have control of my heater, defroster and AC back.
>
> I think that the defroster in the ones without the AC help were designed
> that way, but I've had cars that didn't have the compressor running in
> the defrost, and it took a heck of a long time, sometimes opening the
> windows, and if you shut the blower off to the defroster, in about 30
> seconds, it needed to be back on... if you don't want the compressor
> working in the cold...... disconnect the clutch!
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Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 21:00:05 -0800
From: Erston Reisch
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - HEATER CONTROL

Doh! Read the other digest in your inbox before replying! Bad Erston!

Thanks for the answer, Jim - I'll take a look at it the next time I'm in the
dash (probably for my stereo install).

- - Erston



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Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 00:13:30 EST
From: craig n eggerman
Subject: FTE 80-96 - power steering 88 e-350 van

Any body replace the power steering hoses on one of these big vans. Looks
like it is tough to get to. I have a small leak and suspect the low
pressure return hose. Any tricks or short cuts welcome.

thanks
Craig

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Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 08:33:43 +0100
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rnar?= Huse
Subject: FTE 80-96 - '86 F150 rear brakes

If your truck has a load sensing proportioning valve (a lever or wire
hooked up from the valve to the rear axle/suspension), you will have
next to no braking power with the rear unloaded. Take your truck to some
outfit with a brake test setup (dyno-equipped retardation sensors under
the shop floor) and test the rear brakes with empty truck and(/or) with
some load in the bed.

Driving around in ice and slush for 5 months every year makes you
appreciate the brake proportioning...

- -- =

Bj=F8rnar Huse
1 Son, 3 yrs
1 Groenendael, 4 yrs
1 1990 Ford E-250 Club Wagon 7.3 diesel, 3.54, E4OD
1 1994 Ford Escort 1.3
Oh, yes, one 1971 wife, too!
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Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 08:46:32 +0100
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rnar?= Huse
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Diesel milage.....

I drove to and from my mom's antique shop with a rather bulky trailer
this weekend. The whole setup weighed 11,000 lbs (at truck scale) on the
way up, probably around 9,000 on the way down. The trailer was three
feet higher than the van and about 22 feet long. Going to my mom's
requires going over 6 mountain passes (sort of like Washington Pass, if....

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