80-96-list-digest Thursday, March 4 1999 Volume 03 : Number 063



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - RE: F-150 Fuel Filter
FTE 80-96 - tranny swaps
FTE 80-96 - '94 F150 - Tips on p-brake cable installation?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Fan Clutch Removal(Water pump fan assembly)
FTE 80-96 - F150 Fuel Filter Removal, 2nd attempt
RE: FTE 80-96 - '94 F150 - Tips on p-brake cable installation?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Water pump fan assembly
RE: FTE 80-96 - F150 Fuel Filter Removal, 2nd attempt
FTE 80-96 - 1992 F-150 Overdrive problem
Re: FTE 80-96 - F150 Fuel Filter Removal, 2nd attempt
FTE 80-96 - Ford Tools
FTE 80-96 - 89 Throttle Body
FTE 80-96 - RE: Water pump fan assembly
FTE 80-96 - Relays for Trailer Lights
FTE 80-96 - RE: Throttle Body
Re: FTE 80-96 - Extended Warranty Shaft
RE: FTE 80-96 - Relays for Trailer Lights
Re: FTE 80-96 - Relays for Trailer Lights
FTE 80-96 - RE: F150 Weight
FTE 80-96 - ANTI-LOCK LITE
FTE 80-96 - incompetent partspeople
Re: FTE 80-96 - Parking brake freezing?
Re: FTE 80-96 - ANTI-LOCK LITE
FTE 80-96 - F150 power windows
FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Supernationals and FTE attendance there.
Re: FTE 80-96 - Ford Tools
Re: FTE 80-96 - Water pump fan assembly
Re: FTE 80-96 - Extended Warranty Shaft

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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 07:31:49 -0600
From: "Dave Harmier"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: F-150 Fuel Filter

I AGREE, They couldn't have put it in a worse location if they'd asked
General Malfunction about it!!!!

I am almost certain the mechanic who changed mine had a set of pliers
specially made for it.....check with the Tool Trucks (Snap-On, Mac etc.)

And GOOD LUCK!!!!!

Dave H.
92 F-150
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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:39:31 -0500
From: "PmctBaker"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - tranny swaps

hello again,

we blew the C-6 tranny out of a 78 F-250 4X4, heres how. we went down the
Forrest hill just fine, but not back up.. we spent yesterday with a 3 ton
comealong, moving the truck 100ft. took 6 hrs. im thinking the intermediate
band took a dump, im not as young as I once was, I can tell you that. the
owner kept saying that there is no I in team, to shut him up I said there
is a U in stuck. well now its change the tranny time and we have two to
choose from.
we have a 75 ford van 351, but dont know if the tranny will bolt right on or
not. then we have a 79 Lincoln contential 351m/400.
will any of these bolt up to the 78? or will we have to change the bell
housings?

mike baker

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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 08:51:54 -0600 (CST)
From: Steve Isham
Subject: FTE 80-96 - '94 F150 - Tips on p-brake cable installation?

Does anyone have any tips or pointers on installing a parking brake cable
on a 1994 F150? I need to replace the front section of parking brake
cable & I have never done so on my F-150. However, the parking brake on
my truck has a history:

After I bought my truck, the front section of cable broke once & the
'joining piece' (for lack of the actual name. The piece that joins
the front & rear 2 sections of the parking brake cable) broke 2 times.
The 2nd time the 'joining piece' broke, Ford replaced it w/ a more durable
'joining piece'. All 3 incidents were covered under warranty, so I never
bothered with the details of the repair.

If anyone has any general pointers, heads-ups, tips, etc., I'd appreciate
it.

Thanks,
Steve

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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 10:02:09 -0600
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Fan Clutch Removal(Water pump fan assembly)

Dale J. Jensen wrote:

> Dear Group;
>
> I needed to replace the radiator on my 1990 F150 with a 4.9 I6. It
> seemed like a
> straight forward job, until I tried to remove the fan and clutch
> assembly.( I wanted to get
> it out of the way. ) There is an appx. inch and 3/8 nut , (Helms says
> RH thread) that holds the assembly on the water pump.
> How , or what is the best way to break that nut ? Is there a special

Dale,
I just got through doing this on the '83 Bronco with the I-6.
Now, first of all lets establish something. NOT ALL fan clutches
for the I-6's are mounted the same. Some have the fanclutch with
the fan mounted BEHIND it, others have the fan mounted INFRONT
of the fanclutch. What do you have? If you have the fan mounted behind
the fanclutch like mine, then YES you will need a special tool. If
not, then it is much more straight forward. Okay so lets say yours
is mounted like mine, that is with the fanclutch first and the fan
mounted BEHIND it with 4 bolts. The special tool can be rented
free from Autozone which I found out. Okay, yes on mine the nut
turned out to be righthanded. Now the Haynes says that SOME
are right handed, so yours may not be, but you may want to begin
assuming it is a right handed thread. So the free tool you
rent has two large wrenches. One fits on the large nut, and the other
fits on the 4 bolts of the pulley behind it. What you have to do
is loosen the 4 pulley bolts on the pulley out a little to get a good bite
with the wrench. Also the 4 bolt heads have to be turned correctly for the
tool to slip over the bolt heads. Then stick the other wrench on the
large nut and go with it. Now let me tell ya I lost some blood on
this effort, so if you can, get someone to hold the wrench on the
pulley while you work the one on the big nut. The tools also have
a square hole at the end to attach a 1/2 drive breaker bar or ratchet.
Yes, I did use a breaker bar. You can use the same tool if the fan
is mounted INFRONT of the fanclutch.

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Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Terrains
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale or back to the leasing dealer in March :-)
:-))


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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:35:00 -0600
From: "Wallace, Craig"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - F150 Fuel Filter Removal, 2nd attempt

Scott Giddens wrote:

"After two tries and several choice words.....I am tempted to relocate the
thing where you can get to it without disassembling the truck to do it."

Scott,

It seems you are pretty upset about this thing. I went around the fuel
filter mountain, too. But with a local shop. Without going into great
detail, the local shop ended up costing me an $80.00 fuel filter change that
would have only cost me $18.00 to have done at a local Ford dealer. The
local shop screwed up my fuel lines trying to get the filter off (after
saying they do this type thing all the time). If this thing is causing this
much grief, I would suggest checking into one of your local Ford dealers.
It
would be well worth the trouble you are running into.

Later,
Craig
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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 11:10:17 -0500
From: "Goodwin, Jerry"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - '94 F150 - Tips on p-brake cable installation?

Steve,
I bought all three sections last year. (91 , F250) Left rear , right rear
and front section. Turned out didn't need to replace front section (from
foot pedal to equalizer plate) so took it back. It looks like an easy
straight forward task, back ones were a snap. The usual safety precautions,
since you will have no emergency brake while doing the job, make sure the
truck can't roll. Also you may want to grease the front cable before you
install. Good luck

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From: Steve Isham [mailto:gopper io.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 9:52 AM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - '94 F150 - Tips on p-brake cable installation?


Does anyone have any tips or pointers on installing a parking brake cable
on a 1994 F150? I need to replace the front section of parking brake
cable & I have never done so on my F-150. However, the parking brake on
my truck has a history:

After I bought my truck, the front section of cable broke once & the
'joining piece' (for lack of the actual name. The piece that joins
the front & rear 2 sections of the parking brake cable) broke 2 times.
The 2nd time the 'joining piece' broke, Ford replaced it w/ a more durable
'joining piece'. All 3 incidents were covered under warranty, so I never
bothered with the details of the repair.

If anyone has any general pointers, heads-ups, tips, etc., I'd appreciate
it.

Thanks,
Steve

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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:45:08 -0500
From: Dave
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Water pump fan assembly

Dale:

I have noticed in part stores wrenches marked Ford fan removal tool , they
are thin and l think have a square punched in to put a breaker bar. I have
never purchased or used one yet. On my 86 w/4.9L w/4 speed ; I got a price
of $125 for a new radiator from a small independent shop , he was much
less than Parts America . I lucked out and found a brand new one in the
junk yard for $35.

Dave




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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:48:49 -0700
From: "Giddens, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - F150 Fuel Filter Removal, 2nd attempt

Thanks for the advice, although a little belated since I originally posted
this many weeks ago.

I'm not the only one upset. I have gotten many off line responses that are
just as pissed off from bloody knuckles and messed up connectors like you.
Had I known it was going to be such a pain I would have taken it to the
dealer. I have never seen a fuel filter this hard to replace before in my
life.

IMHO,
You would think American car manufacturers would get a clue from the foreign
car manufacturers incredible success in making user replaceable components
accessible. As a mechanical designer I resent the idea that we are not
considered responsible enough to replace a fuel to the point it has to be
located in a spot not easily accessible to the average, even experienced,
end user. 6 inches forward and the filter would be a piece of cake to
replace.

Possibly just another case where American car manufacturers must cover their
rear to avoid law suits from idiots. Something foreign car manufacturers
seem to avoid somehow, giving them the competitive edge by providing low
cost user friendly vehicles.

Scott

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From:Wallace, Craig [SMTP:WallaceC emotors.com]
Sent:Wednesday, March 03, 1999 8:35 AM
To:Ford trucks Rule!
Subject:FTE 80-96 - F150 Fuel Filter Removal, 2nd attempt

Scott Giddens wrote:

"After two tries and several choice words.....I am tempted to
relocate the
thing where you can get to it without disassembling the truck to do
it."

Scott,

It seems you are pretty upset about this thing. I went around the
fuel
filter mountain, too. But with a local shop. Without going into
great
detail, the local shop ended up costing me an $80.00 fuel filter
change that
would have only cost me $18.00 to have done at a local Ford dealer.
The
local shop screwed up my fuel lines trying to get the filter off
(after
saying they do this type thing all the time). If this thing is
causing this
much grief, I would suggest checking into one of your local Ford
dealers.
It
would be well worth the trouble you are running into.

Later,
Craig
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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 11:35:01 -0600
From: "Joshua K. Bartel"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 1992 F-150 Overdrive problem

I have a 1992 Ford F-150 4x4 w/351 motor. I just bought it used. It has about 96K miles. The Overdrive "override" button on the end of the shifter seems to be working only from time to time. If I jiggle the shifter, I can get the light to turn on and off. Has anyone experienced this? If so, what is involved?


Thanks in advance,

jkb



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8080,0000,8080Joshua K. Bartel

8080,0000,8080Information
Technology

Franchise Services Company, LLC

jbartel fscllc.com

(316) 689-0049 ext 317
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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 11:51:38 -0600
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - F150 Fuel Filter Removal, 2nd attempt

Giddens, Scott wrote:

> Thanks for the advice, although a little belated since I originally posted
> this many weeks ago.

Scott,
Luckily I still have a vehicle that I can easily work on. That
being my '83 Bronco as you know. However, my Mustang is a
horse of a different color(heeheehee). No pun intended. I
believe this is known as job security. I wouldn't blame just
Ford. As you probably know, all vehicle manufacturers do it
to the consumers. You also may want to consider one thing.
They may have to place some things in hard to reach places
due to safety standards. Just a thought. I don't like it any more
than you guys, but until we start designing them ourselves
for the shadetree mechanic then we'll just have to put up with it.
By the way, how much of Ford is American these
days anyways. :-(
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Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Terrains
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale or back to the leasing dealer in March :-) :-))


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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 12:18:08 -0600
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Ford Tools

Guys,
I just thought I would throw this out. In reference to the
earlier post I sent out on fixing/removing the waterpump]
and renting the special tool for free at Autozone, just for
the hell of it I called up Ford a few minutes ago and asked
them if they sold the tool I was talking about. Well, obviously
they said " NO ", we don't sell tools. I just thought that was
pretty funny. Ya know, I really don't see them losing any
money by at least selling us the tools we need to work on our
trucks/vehicles. The reason I say this is because those of us that
feel compelled to work on own trucks will do so whatever
it takes to get the job done. But those that are not so
motivated to fool with a vehicle won't never ask to buy
that tool anyways. So I ask, whats the difference ?
Okay, I'm done now.

- --
Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Terrains
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale or back to the leasing dealer in March
:-) :-))


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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:19:51 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Woods
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 89 Throttle Body

Any ideas how much a TB for a 89 302 should cost?

My dealer wants something like $380, and I'm stuck in a meeting and can't
call around to check prices.




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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:45:45 -0600
From: "David Anderson (EUS)"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: Water pump fan assembly

>>>> I needed to replace the radiator on my 1990 F150 with a 4.9 I6. It
seemed like a
straight forward job, until I tried to remove the fan and clutch
assembly.( I wanted to get
it out of the way. ) There is an appx. inch and 3/8 nut , (Helms says
RH thread) that holds the assembly on the water pump.
How , or what is the best way to break that nut ? Is there a special
tool that holds the
pulley while you have a wrench on the nut ? Do you have to remove the
water pump?>>>>>>>

In the past I have tackled this big nut first with the belt still in place
to keep the water pump from turning. Find a big Crescent wrench or a pipe
wrench that fits or the right tool, a big open end. Longer wrenches are
better. Get the wrench in position around the nut and such that the handle
is in a place where you can hit it with a hammer. Then, after thinking for
a minute which way to go with that RH thread, strike it with the hammer.
Usually it's not too tight. Also, when putting it back on, heavy tightening
is not needed because it rotates in a direction to tighten up more.
David Anderson

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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 11:03:55 -0800
From: Vogt Family
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Relays for Trailer Lights

On my '86 F-250's owner's manual it states that trailer lights cannot be
directly run off the truck's lights, and that I need to get some sort of
relay kit from an RV dealer. It has some traler wiring hooked up now
but it's all a rat's nest and I would like to make it good. What are
these, 3 Bosch relays? I can't imagine mounting them in the bumper
area, should I put them in the engine compartment and run a bundle of
wires instead?

Birken
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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:02:25 EST
From: STEPSI3742 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: Throttle Body

Does anyone know if the throttle bodies on '92-'96, I-6 is the same as the
ones on the 302 and 351? I was wondering if they had the same flow and/or same
bolt pattern. I want to upgrade to an after-market Edelbrock/BBK.

Thanks,

TJ
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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 11:44:08 -0800
From: Erston Reisch
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Extended Warranty Shaft

> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 09:08:29 -0800
> From: "Mike"
> Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Extended Warranty Shaft
>
> I have only purchased one extended warranty in my 30 yrs of driving. It cost
> me $1500 and so far I have collected about $4000. I anticipate another
> $2000+ or so in the next couple months before the warranty expires. This is
> not on a Ford truck.

Mike: Praytell, what is this vehicle, so that we may avoid buying one! :-)

Thanks,

- - Erston



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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:01:12 -0700
From: "Giddens, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Relays for Trailer Lights

Yes, that would be the 30 amp Bosch automotive relays, you can pick them up
at any auto parts, car stereo installation shop, or radio shack store. They
are sealed and should not be a problem mounting them under the bed of the
truck or inside the bumper. You could enclose the relays inside a container
back there if you like. In either case you will have to run either a single
fused power line from the battery to the rear or the standard four wire
trailer connections. It will be easier to connect to the wires you need to
drive the relays at the bumper since you can use the standard in-line
connector adapters available like you may already have. Getting to those
wires under the hood may be a problem and I could not tell you how to do it
without a little research and I am guessing it would not be easy. If you
take the time to use the "rats nest" already there you will save 5 to 10
bucks on the trailer adapter wiring. The color coding will be the same in
either case.

BTW, I do know of many people who just tie directly into the existing
vehicle wiring like you currently have. As long as the fuse doesn't blow it
should be OK. If I planned on using a trailer a lot I would use the relays
to avoid blown fuses at the worse possible times. Don't forget to fuse the
power line coming from the battery if you use the relays. Otherwise the wire
will evaporate when the trailer wiring gets shorted to ground like they
always seem to do.

Scott

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From:Vogt Family [SMTP:vogt oro.net]
Sent:Wednesday, March 03, 1999 12:04 PM
To:80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject:FTE 80-96 - Relays for Trailer Lights

On my '86 F-250's owner's manual it states that trailer lights
cannot be
directly run off the truck's lights, and that I need to get some
sort of
relay kit from an RV dealer. It has some traler wiring hooked up
now
but it's all a rat's nest and I would like to make it good. What
are
these, 3 Bosch relays? I can't imagine mounting them in the bumper
area, should I put them in the engine compartment and run a bundle
of
wires instead?
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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 14:24:17 -0600
From: Matthew Banevich
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Relays for Trailer Lights

Vogt Family wrote:
>
> On my '86 F-250's owner's manual it states that trailer lights cannot be
> directly run off the truck's lights, and that I need to get some sort of
> relay kit from an RV dealer. It has some traler wiring hooked up now
> but it's all a rat's nest and I would like to make it good. What are
> these, 3 Bosch relays? I can't imagine mounting them in the bumper
> area, should I put them in the engine compartment and run a bundle of
> wires instead?
>
> Birken
If you really want to use relays, you would most probably be running
into problems doing that, try running one lower gague wire to the rear
end, and find a possible place that is less succeptable to inclement
conditions, you can then hook up your power cable and ground to the
three relays, and then go through the rest..... and then when you're
done try to seal them up in a plastic bag or something.... just try to
keep it as weatherproof as possible.
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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 18:35:32 -0500
From: Jay Snyder
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: F150 Weight

>I have a '96 F-150, 4X4, extended cab, 351 V-8. On my original title,
>the "unladen weight" is listed as "4399 lbs." I imagine the info came
>from Ford for the state database that generated the title.
>
>That seems kinda light as my 94 Lightning weighs 4400lbs...regular cab 2
>
>Are the newer F-150's that much heavier than, say, an '87?

My '87 F150 has a GVWR on the door jamb sticker of #4,990. amd
on my title , the unladen weight is 3,694. I have a 300ci six, which
I thought weighed as much as a V8.

J.
'87 F-150 300ci six, C6 auto, 2.73


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(717)652-3567
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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 15:47:18 PST
From: 2insane excite.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ANTI-LOCK LITE

I have a 89 F-150 and when i turn it on the anti-lock lite comes on. I was
wondering what this is since I don't have anti-lock brakes and why it's
lighting up.any info will be helpful.
also i was thinking of installing a lift kit on my truck and probably
bigger
tires to go with it.i was wondering if u guys had any info on good kits and
tires and about the difference in handling,etc. i'll expect from doing
this.
(i'm a little new to trucks). thanks again

oh. on this truck weight thing, my 89 f-150 xl's gvwr is 6250 but the gvwr
is the truck's max for weight to be put in it, not the vehicle's actual
weight. (at least that's what I always thought)

DK




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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 17:10:24 -0800
From: bill gibson
Subject: FTE 80-96 - incompetent partspeople

Over the last year I have been going through my 85 F250 system by system and hopefully in
another 6 months I'll have a truck that will last and be reliable & have cost me 20000 less than
a new one.
In the course of rebuilding all these different components I have to order a lot of
parts.I've shopped around & discovered that Ford is priced at or even below the cost of the local
jobbers.So I order from Ford on the assumption that OEM is best , probably true.BUT the
partspeople (one , the most exasperating of the lot being a female)have been nothing short of
incompetent.
The last SEVEN orders have needed to be returned because they were the wrong thing ,wrong
size or for the wrong series.It's bad enough that it's a 50 mile round trip each time but it's
especially galling when the blame is placed on me for not ordering the right thing even though
the truck is idling in plain view of this idiots nose!
To steal a phrase I'm Mad As Hell & I'm Not Going To Take It Any More !
My question is how would you people deal with this kind of incompetence?
I should add that the last fiasco was a windshield wiper motor that needs to be returned
because it's the wrong one . I phoned back & told them to cancel the reorder just a few minutes
ago ,that I would get the parts elsewhere and that they would simply get it back .That means I
will be returning the part tomorrow.It's going to be a nasty scene if they try to stick me with a
restocking charge or a freight bill.
Any comments would be appreciated.

Bill Gibson
Tees , Alberta , Canada
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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 17:10:33 -0700
From: Mark LeRoy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Parking brake freezing?

>Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 13:01:10 -0800 (PST)
>From: Andrew Christopher Funk
>When I am in the mountains (snow and below freezing temperatures), if I
>put on my parking brake, and leave the truck (94 f150 4wd) for most of the
>day (while I snowboard) when I try to leave, the right rear wheel will not
>turn (I do release the parking brake lever in the cab). I am in 4wd so,
>I end up just dragging the rear end around (the left rear wheel just
>spins). I have found that some combination of driving forward and
>backward, wiggling the parking brake cable, and simply waiting will free
>the right rear wheel.I would guess that something is getting frozen so that
>the parking brake is not properly releasing. Has anyone experienced
>something like this
>and what is the best solution (if I do not engage the parking brake, I
>have no problem, but I think I should be able to engage the parking brake
>even in snowy below freezing conditions).
>
>Thanks in advance for any replies.
>Andrew

Although a bit late on a reply (and hopefully you've got it fixed) but...

I've had this happen in Colorado during cold weather - snow, water or dry.
My problem was a leaking axle seal. Apparently the cold thick oil would
cause the brake shoe to stick. I did NOT see any lubricant leaking until
the wheel and drum were pulled off.

Mark
'90 F-250, 4x4, Ext Cab, Diesel


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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 20:44:43 EST
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - ANTI-LOCK LITE

i was told by the dealer when i bought my 1989 F250 that all Ford Pickups have
rear anti lock brakes
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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 20:47:55 -0600
From: Donald Osgood
Subject: FTE 80-96 - F150 power windows

I have a '96 F150 with power windows.
A few days ago the windows refused to go down. Then shortly after that
the started working OK.
Yesterday I ran the windows down and drove a while. Now they wont go up.
I tried numerous times and checked the fuse and that power is getting as
far as the fuse.

Anyone have an idea what might cause this?
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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 23:30:36 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: Supernationals and FTE attendance there.

Ford Truck Enthusiasts has reserved a block of 40 rooms at Days Inn Pigeon
Forge for the F100 Supernationals, May 13 - 16. The rates for the rooms are:
$34.00 + tax Sunday through Thursday
$68.00 + tax Friday through Saturday
This is a group rate, so be sure to mention Ford Truck Enthusiasts when
reserving your room. Rooms are first come, first served, of course, and the
last day to reserve at the group rate is April 15.
To make your reservation, call:
1-800-645-3079
We've also reserved tables for at least 40 people at Alan Jackson's Show
Car Cafe on Saturday at 9:00 AM for breakfast. Total cost for the Breakfast
Buffet is $8.00 per person. This price includes tax and gratuity. To reserve
your spot, email Don Neighbors at:
grover ford-trucks.com
by April 25 so we can give the folks at Alan Jackson's a head count.


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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 21:54:07 -0600
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Ford Tools

When my '29 Ford was sold new, it came with a rather complete set of tools,
all with Ford script on them (wrenches, screw drivers, etc.) and a nice jack.

At 12:18 03/03/99 -0600, you wrote:
>Guys,
> I just thought I would throw this out. In reference to the
>earlier post I sent out on fixing/removing the waterpump]
>and renting the special tool for free at Autozone, just for
>the hell of it I called up Ford a few minutes ago and asked
>them if they sold the tool I was talking about. Well, obviously
>they said " NO ", we don't sell tools. I just thought that was
>pretty funny. Ya know, I really don't see them losing any
>money by at least selling us the tools we need to work on our
>trucks/vehicles. The reason I say this is because those of us that
>feel compelled to work on own trucks will do so whatever
>it takes to get the job done. But those that are not so
>motivated to fool with a vehicle won't never ask to buy
>that tool anyways. So I ask, whats the difference ?
>Okay, I'm done now.
>
>--
>Thanks,
> Rick Wojo
> '83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Terrains
> '92 Mstng 5.0L
> '95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale or back to the leasing dealer in March
>:-) :-))
>
>
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Jim Cannon
Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton
'63 Buick Riviera
'80 Ford F-150
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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 22:32:44 -0600
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Water pump fan assembly

Dale-
I think the special tool side of this has been beat to death, so I will not
repeat it.

But I must say, you are approaching this 100% opposite from how I have
always done it... I have always unbolted the shroud from the radiator and
set it on the fan, removed the radiator carefully by unbolting and sliding
up, then removing shroud (to get to waterpump, timing cover etc.). Fewer
skinned knuckles.

Oh, well.

At 20:45 02/03/99 -0600, you wrote:
> Dear Group;
>
> I needed to replace the radiator on my 1990 F150 with a 4.9 I6. It
>seemed like a
>straight forward job, until I tried to remove the fan and clutch
>assembly.( I wanted to get
>it out of the way. ) There is an appx. inch and 3/8 nut , (Helms says
>RH thread) that holds the assembly on the water pump.


Jim Cannon
Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton
'63 Buick Riviera
'80 Ford F-150
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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 22:23:56 -0600
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Extended Warranty Shaft

I had the same experience with my '91 Voyager. I had repairs done on the
vehicle that cost at least twice what I paid for the warantee. Compressor,
rods, pistons, rings, expansion valves, power steering pump, struts...
There were probably other things, but I forget! (there were so many). The
only thing that did not die (for me) was the A604 tranny, and I KNOW that
thing is a piece of junk. It only held together for me for 95 k miles
because I changed the fluid every 12-16 months.....

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