80-96-list-digest Monday, March 1 1999 Volume 03 : Number 059



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - Serious disappointment
FTE 80-96 - RE: OD off light...
FTE 80-96 - RE: F-150 weight...
Re: FTE 80-96 - Serious disappointment
FTE 80-96 - Lund Sunvisor Install '96 F350 CC
Re: FTE 80-96 - Will mustang Mass Air work on PU
FTE 80-96 - anti-lock lite
Re: FTE 80-96 - F150 weight
FTE 80-96 - OD off switch on stalk
Re: FTE 80-96 - AOD vs AODE
FTE 80-96 - Shifting into overdrive.
Re: FTE 80-96 - Shifting into overdrive.
Re: FTE 80-96 - Shifting into overdrive.
FTE 80-96 - Speedo Gear on 96 300 I6
FTE 80-96 - More gas mileage questions.......
FTE 80-96 - Thrown rod?
FTE 80-96 - AOD vs AODE
FTE 80-96 - locking differential

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Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 09:11:38 EST
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Serious disappointment

Joe is right i would check for sealer in the system, and then i would
threaten the dealership with the equivalent of the better business bureau and
department of consumer affairs for willfully defrauding its customers by
misrepresenting the condition of the truck.. threats of legal action work
wonders if the dealer has a guilty coonsience..
i dont know how aggressive you are but a LOUD visit to the dealer in front of
potential customers also helps in times like this
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Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 09:30:11 -0600
From: "Dave Harmier"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: OD off light...

Tom S. wrote:

I had EXACTLY the same problem with my 92 Bronco's E4OD OD off light,
about a year ago. The light would flash with no real consistency or
pattern, except that it went faster with the engine running.
After going nuts for about a week, turns out it was the 12volt L.E.D.
going bad. The L.E.D. assembly pops out the end of the shift lever. It
cost about 13 bucks at the Ford dealer, if I remember right.
If that's not the problem, at least you'll eliminate that as a
possibility.

Good luck,
Tom S.
92 Bronco XLT


OK, you say "pops" out....PLEASE define!!! Mine looks great right now, and
I don't want to screw it up! Would a knife blade or small flat screwdriver
do the trick?

Thanks!
Dave H.
92 F-150 S/C 5.0L E4OD (Yuck!) 188k and counting...
Houston, TX
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Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 09:41:52 -0600
From: "Dave Harmier"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: F-150 weight...

Asks Neal O.

Does your F150 really weigh 7000 lbs????

Maybe not.....but

The gvwr is 6050#

F-150 XLT S/C....add 200-250 pounds of tools and parts behind the seats.
add a HEAVY steel crossbed toolbox at least 300-350 pounds. Two side boxes
total 250-300 pounds. Tommylift tailgate is another 600 or so.

6500 at least!

Dave H.
92 F-150 S/C
Houston, TX
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Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 11:47:01 -0500
From: "Matt Fitzsimmons"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Serious disappointment

I hsd the same green fluid in the exhaust of my '96 302. I never had a any
white smoke, or coolant loss. After changing the exhaust system I have
never noticed it again. I wouldn't get too worried unless you are getting
coolant loss, or coolant in the oil.

Matt
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From: Philip Thomason
To: 80-96-list-digest ford-trucks.com
Date: Saturday, February 27, 1999 7:08 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Serious disappointment


> Well, last week or so I noticed a green fluid in my tailpipe after a cold
>night, and a morning start. I've been plugging in the block heater fairly
>regularly. It's a '95 F-150 with a 302 V8 (code N)
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> The sad part is I bought the truck about 4 weeks ago (used). It's now a
>little past 30 days, the legal warranty I think I have in Ontario.
>
> I'm really quite disappointed. I wanted a truck so much.
>
> I've looked at the procedure for removing the heads (hoping it's _just_ a
>blown head gasket) but that task looks fairly daunting right now.
>
> I'm hoping someone out there can tell me that this has happened before,
>and might even be a somewhat "normal" occurrence???
>
> Thanks,
> Phil
>
>
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Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 15:23:39 -0500
From: JLUCS peddie.org (JLUCS)
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Lund Sunvisor Install '96 F350 CC

I'm planning on buying a Lund Sunvisor for my truck
('96 F-350 Crew Cab PSD 4x4) and have an autobody paint it.
I figure I'll save myself some bucks installing it
myself. Has anyone else done one and what does it
involve. I have OEM clearance lights on the roof
also. Am I asking for or will this be a pretty
easy task for two people to do. This is the one
without the lights built in.

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Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 17:40:09 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Will mustang Mass Air work on PU

Scott,
Well having gone through the Speed Density Vs Massair nightmare, I can give
you a few pointers. On the trucks, I'm pretty sure the injector size was
19lbs. Secondly I need to know which tranny you have. If you have the AOD or a
5 speed you would have to get an ECM that corresponds to the tranny you have.
Third, you have to make sure that all of the sensor connections that
correspond to the ECM are on your motor or the ECM will make it run funky
because it isn't getting all the readings it needs. I would personally go the
SVO brand new route. Then you don't have to worry about scavenged harnesses
and such that you may get from a salvage yard.
MHO,
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
"Hazardous Material"
Wayne's Flareside Page
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Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 15:11:25 PST
From: 2insane excite.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - anti-lock lite

I have a 89 F-150 and when i turn it on the anti-lock lite comes on. I was
wondering what this is since I don't have anti-lock brakes and why it's
lighting up. thanx for any info.
also i was thinking of installing a lift kit on my truck and probably bigger
tires to go with it.i was wondering if u guys had any info on good kits and
tires and about the difference in handling,etc. i'll expect from doing this.
(i'm a little new to trucks). thanks again

DK




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Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 19:02:21 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - F150 weight

Neal,
I have a '94 F150 Flareside Supercab with 5.0Lw/AODE trans., 8.8" rear with
3.55 gears, assorted bolt ons and performance mods. My truck also has the
heavy duty towing package (more rear springs, stiffer bracing) and according
to the GVW sticker in the door jamb, my truck weighs in at a STOUT 6,352 lb. I
haven't actually taken it to a scale to check, but I also have a toolbox on
the bed, usually full of about 300 lb. of tools, and 300 lb. of stereo box and
amps. I run the 1/8 mile drags at close to a 10.00 time and I do this fully
loaded. I also use it to tow a BIG boat and haul loads for my job. In short,
even with my foot in it most of time, I get close to 15 city and 19-20
highway.
Just my . 02,
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
"Hazardous Material"
Wayne's Flareside Page
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Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 19:13:21 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - OD off switch on stalk

Gang,
Just to put in another 2 cents (you guys have a pocket full of change from me
here lately =} ) many different trannies FOMOCO made since I believe 1990,
have had that OD off light on the stalk. I have the 4R70W/AODE and mine has
it.
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside Supercab
"Hazardous Material"
Wayne's Flareside Page
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Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 19:18:13 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - AOD vs AODE

Rade,
I hate to tell you buddy, but my truck is definitely a 1994 model and I have
the 4R70W. I also know of another F150 that is a 1993 that has the 4R70W.
No offense, just letting you know.
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
"Hazardous Material"
Wayne's Flareside Page
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Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 19:51:24 -0500
From: troyw mfi.net (Troy Williams)
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Shifting into overdrive.

I was speaking with someone earlier today and I was asking if
downshifting out of overdrive at around 50 MPH to slow the truck
down to a stop rather than letting the brakes do all the work was
harming the tranny any. I was told that it does no harm, in fact, it
does help the transmission and then it helps the brakes. I do this
at least once or twice per day, depending on which stop light I am
getting stopped at.

I was also asking about shifting into overdrive while the truck is
moving. I was telling the person how I pop it into overdrive. I just
let up off the gas for a second, shift, and then step back on the
gas. I was told not to do this. Instead, to keep my foot on the gas
and to pop the lever into overdrive.

The truck is an '84 F-150, 5.0, automatic. I've got the Park,
Reverse, D with a circle around it indicating overdrive, another D
with no circle meaning it's not in overdrive, and then a 1.

I was wondering what is the proper procedure to pop the tranny into
overdrive. It seems to shift gears while on the gas can do some
harm to the tranny. I just wanted to make sure it was alright to do
this since I do lose quite a bit of speed while doing this. Kinda
hurts when you're on a stretch that goes from 35 MPh, to 45 MPh,
then up to 55 Mph.

Thanks for any advice.
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Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 20:02:04 EST
From: Metalsped aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Shifting into overdrive.

I was told that the only proper way to do that is to shift into it before it
gets to top gear. I have a buddy that did the same thing and his tranny only
held up for 50,000 miles.
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Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 20:08:49 -0500
From: troyw mfi.net (Troy Williams)
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Shifting into overdrive.

On 28 Feb 99, at 20:02, Metalsped aol.com wrote:

>I was told that the only proper way to do that is to shift into it before
>it gets to top gear. I have a buddy that did the same thing and his tranny
>only held up for 50,000 miles.

Ahhhhh. I normally shift into overdrive when it's stopped, but then
sometimes I forget and of course I have to slow it down and shift
up, and getting all kinds of nasty looks from folks when the truck
kinda lags on for a few seconds afterward kinda makes me wanna
leave it out of overdrive until the next stop.

You might be a redneck if... You think the Super Bowl is a top of
the line bathroom fixture. - Jeff Foxworthy


Troy Williams
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Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 17:19:17 -0900
From: "Stefan Rearden"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Speedo Gear on 96 300 I6

I've changed out my stock ford tires for 31x10.5x15 BFG all terrains and now
I need to change the speedo gear, only problem is I can't seem to find where
the gear is located. I had it at a friends garage and we looked at the
transfer case and the transmission, but couldn't find it anywhere. Anyone
have an Idea where it's located on a 96 F150 300, I6 5 speed manual? The
Chilton's manual I had only had a picture of a 93 F150.
Also, would anyone know what size gear I would need to replace it with?
(I'm going from 29 inch wheels that came with the truck to the 31's) All
the gears are stock on the truck (diff is 3.55).

Stefan Rearden
Fairbanks Alaska

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Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 22:55:04 -0500
From: EJ
Subject: FTE 80-96 - More gas mileage questions.......

What should be the average cruising range for my truck, stock weight,
after a *complete* fuel fill up ?

1992 F-250 460, E4OD, 3.55 gears, dual tanks(37.2 gal ?)

Anybody have a similarly equipped ride ?

As of right now, with 35 inch tires, a visor, nerf Bars, and a cap, I'm
lucky if i can squeeze 250 out of it, if I baby it !!!

Also, probably a *really* stupid question.......would the speedometer
not being accurate, affect the odometer reading as well ???. I know the
speedo is not accurate(35 inch tires), and i do know there is a
procedure to recalibrate it, but I'm going to wait, since I don't intend
on keeping these tires(i want to go with 33's), and i know that this
procedure can only be done a few times.

TIA
EJ(thinking the 10-12 mpg that all the environmentalist are complaining
about the new Excursion will be geting is sounding really impressive at
this point ;) ).

P.S. you can see a few pics of my truck if you click on the link in my
sig.
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1979 Pontiac "Olds organ donor" Trans Am T-tops Rebuilt Olds 6.6L 403
4bbl-TH350 Performer Cam and Intake.....going into the Calais
For Sale.
1984 Olds Cutlass Calais T-Tops 5.0L 307 4bbl-TH350-2.14 gears K+N.....
soon to be 6.6L 403 4bbl, and hopefully some better "rear" gears
1985 Olds Toronado 5.0L 307 4bbl-AOD(newly acquired Sept. 98).
1992 Lincoln Mark VII LSC Moonroof 5.0L 302 EFI HO-AOD-3.27 gears
inner fender baffle removed-K+N.
1992 Ford F-250 Reg-Cab 4WD 7.5L 460 EFI-E4OD Auto-3.55 gears.
3-inch converter-dual outlet flowmaster 3 chamber.
Complete K+N(no more factory air-box)-ADS Super Chip-Spitfires-
Accel Super Coil-Cap-Rotor & 8.8 wires.
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Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 21:07:28 -0800 (PST)
From: Alex Wolfe
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Thrown rod?

Looks like I'm taking the bus again! While driving the other day,
the engine seized for a second, scared the crap outta me, and died.
Upon trying to restart, It cranked about half a revolution then it
"stuck" and wobbled. It seems there is a physical obstruction of some
type. There is no leaking fluid, and the oil and coolant are free of
one another... Anyone have any suggestions as to what this could be
before I begin ripping things completely apart? I guess it's time for
top-down rebuild anyhow:-)

Alex
'84 F-150 I-6 (suddenly for sale!)





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Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 23:48:47 -0600
From: Neal Osburn
Subject: FTE 80-96 - AOD vs AODE

Thanks to everyone for all the info. That web site has some really good
info and answered several questions I have had about the strength &
reliability of both my '93 F150 w/AOD & my '97 Expedition w/4R70W.

Neal
www.visualcities.com/nomo

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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 01:25:00 EST
From: WoodStck45 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - locking differential

Fellow Ford Owners

I am going to buy a locking differential for the rear of my 1991 Ford F-250
pickup. I was going to get the Powertrax Lockright, but then i heard it was
only good for about 50,000 miles. Is this true? I was told to get a Detroit
Locker but how much more money will it be? And will i have to adjust the ring
and pinion settings? I definatly want posi 100% of the time except on the....


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