80-96-list-digest Sunday, February 28 1999 Volume 03 : Number 058



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: Gas mileage!
Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: Gas mileage!
FTE 80-96 - Will mustang Mass Air work on PU
Re: FTE 80-96 - Will mustang Mass Air work on PU
RE: FTE 80-96 - Flashing OD Off light in 92 F-150 E4OD???
FTE 80-96 - 4R55E transmission
FTE 80-96 - Re: F-350 Rust
FTE 80-96 - F150 weight
FTE 80-96 - Edelbrock IAS Shocks
FTE 80-96 - AOD vs AODE
Re: FTE 80-96 - AOD vs AODE
FTE 80-96 - Oil Pan
FTE 80-96 - RE: Standard where Auto was....
FTE 80-96 - RE: OD light...
FTE 80-96 - transmission problems
FTE 80-96 - Serious disappointment
Re: FTE 80-96 - Oil Pan
FTE 80-96 - Door adjustment
Re: FTE 80-96 - Serious disappointment
Re: FTE 80-96 - Serious disappointment
Re: FTE 80-96 - E4OD Fluid Changes
FTE 80-96 - Pilot bearing
Re: FTE 80-96 - Pilot bearing
Re: FTE 80-96 - Serious disappointment
Re: FTE 80-96 - Serious disappointment
Re: FTE 80-96 - AOD vs AODE

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Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 04:27:42 PST
From: "Jim Kudulis"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: Gas mileage!

On my 92 F150 300 six there was about a 3/4 inch pipe that ran from the
exhaust pipe, just behind the manifold, up to the top of the engine. This
is on the passenger side. The pipe connection had rotted away and not doing
its job. The NAPA guy told me this is common (Wisconsin salt)and sold me a
2 inch long piece of silicone tubing and 2 hose clamps. With a little
grinding the reconnection job took about a half hour. Ran like a new truck
and gas mileage improved . Also if you have manual hubs make sure they are
really free. Same 150 had to rebuild the hubs because they would not
unlock. This affects the mileage as well. Always got 16 to 17 highway
until RFG. You might be lucky, in the cold my 250, 5.8 4:10 gets about 9
with this RFG gas.
Jim




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Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 08:15:37 EST
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: Gas mileage!

im familiar witht he pipe that runs onto the top of the catalytic converter to
up on the motor somewhere.. Here in NY mine rotted out too and for $35 the guy
at the friendly MIdas shop went and welded an new one in for me and ran it up
to whereever it connects, which is another cheap fix for the problem
somehow i don think that the silicone hose y'all speak of is gnna last too
long
Regards,
Bob
89F250 5.8
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Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 09:44:38 -0600
From: "DS Morgan"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Will mustang Mass Air work on PU

I was wondering if an Mustang mass air system (meter & computer) would work
if wired into an 88 F150 Pickup's Speed Density system. I know will have to
go to 19lb injectors ( I believe trucks had around 14lb??) Will this work? I
have seen piggy back wiring harnesses advertised to add mass air. I would
like to upgrade to mass air because I want to add cam & heads. But I don't
won't to spend the $550 for Truck Mass Air if I can buy a system off a
Mustang at a local auto salvage a lot cheaper.

Thanks for you help
Scott

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Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 11:17:57 -0500
From: "Matt Fitzsimmons"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Will mustang Mass Air work on PU

Been there, done that. It works..... But, the Mustang computer is not
calibrated for the truck engine camshaft etc. I don't recall there being
any problem with the injectors. Had to use the Mustang engine harness
though, the truck was bank fired, and the Mustang is sequential. We
installed the Mustang cam and headers as well. After it was all done, we
essentially had a '90 Mustang 302 HO in the '88 F150.
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From: DS Morgan
To: Ford Truck
Date: Saturday, February 27, 1999 10:46 AM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Will mustang Mass Air work on PU


>I was wondering if an Mustang mass air system (meter & computer) would work
>if wired into an 88 F150 Pickup's Speed Density system. I know will have to
>go to 19lb injectors ( I believe trucks had around 14lb??) Will this work?
I
>have seen piggy back wiring harnesses advertised to add mass air. I would
>like to upgrade to mass air because I want to add cam & heads. But I don't
>won't to spend the $550 for Truck Mass Air if I can buy a system off a
>Mustang at a local auto salvage a lot cheaper.
>
>Thanks for you help
>Scott
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Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 09:35:56 +0000
From: "Tom S."
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Flashing OD Off light in 92 F-150 E4OD???

I had EXACTLY the same problem with my 92 Bronco's E4OD OD off light,
about a year ago. The light would flash with no real consistency or
pattern, except that it went faster with the engine running.
After going nuts for about a week, turns out it was the 12volt L.E.D.
going bad. The L.E.D. assembly pops out the end of the shift lever. It
cost about 13 bucks at the Ford dealer, if I remember right.
If that's not the problem, at least you'll eliminate that as a
possibility.

Good luck,
Tom S.
92 Bronco XLT


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Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 13:06:32 EST
From: EBHecker aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 4R55E transmission

I have a van with a 4R55E transmission in it and was wondering how
reliable these are and what kind of a track record they have. I plan on towing
a 21 foot travel trailer with it and want to know what to expect.
Ed
82 Escort
86 F250HD 4x4
66 F100
96 Aerostar AWD
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Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 09:50:14 PST
From: "Casey Vandor"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: F-350 Rust

I have an 83 F-250, and the only spots it is rusting is where I have
**bumped** into things. Looking back, I should have put some primer in
there, but I knew, nothing about bodywork, still don't:) The rust
hasn't spread yet, (but it is so fricking dry here in Fairbanks, that I
can leave my tools in the back of the truck, if it weren't for those
jerks that vandalize everything around here..) It could be where you
have the truck (in Ketchikan stuff rots real quick), so that might have
something to do with it. Or Look at where it is rusting. Is it right
around the bolts that tie the cab to the frame? My dodge (ketchikan
body anyway) rusted out around the bolts pretty bad. In my opinion it
isn't because it's an 83...

Thanks,
Casey Vandor

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Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 13:18:01 -0600
From: Neal Osburn
Subject: FTE 80-96 - F150 weight

>I have a 92 F-150 5.0 E4OD that weighs near 7000 pounds, and gets very
>similar mileage...we had an 88 I-6 5sp that did better on longish
>trips....but I can't complain about 14.5 or so!
>

Does your F150 really weigh 7000 lbs????

My '93 5.0L, 3.55 rear & AOD only has a GVWR of 5450 lbs. I get about 12
mpg in town, 15 on the hwy with an empty bed. If your truck is really that
heavy, it means that I'm getting the same mileage, but with about 3000
fewer pounds.... now I'm getting bummed.

Neal

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Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 13:23:02 -0600
From: Neal Osburn
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Edelbrock IAS Shocks

I've got a set on my '97 Expedition. They are GREAT. Smoothed out most of
the bumps and greatly reduced body roll. When it comes time to replace the
ones on my F150, it'll be with the IAS.

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Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 13:31:38 -0600
From: Neal Osburn
Subject: FTE 80-96 - AOD vs AODE

Someone asked this a while back, but the only response I saw was about AODE
vs E4OD. So, if it was answered, could someone re-post the differences
between the AODE and the AOD tranny? Also, if the E4OD is based on the C6
and the AODE is based on the 4R70W, then what is the AOD based on?

Thanks,
Neal

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Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 12:55:37 -0800
From: Bob Kennedy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - AOD vs AODE

Neal,
The AOD got it's beginnings from the C-4 and FMX.
For a real eye opening trip on Ford tranny history go to:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.baumannengineering.com


Bob
BIG AOD Fan


Neal Osburn wrote:

> Someone asked this a while back, but the only response I saw was about AODE
> vs E4OD. So, if it was answered, could someone re-post the differences
> between the AODE and the AOD tranny? Also, if the E4OD is based on the C6
> and the AODE is based on the 4R70W, then what is the AOD based on?
>
> Thanks,
> Neal
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Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 14:59:04 -0600
From: mentch cybrzn.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Oil Pan

I am almost done rebuilding my 86 ford trucks 302 engine and i can't
seem to find a chrome oil pan anywhere for it its an 86 f-250
4x4...anyone know where i can find one???


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Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 17:28:57 -0600
From: "Dave Harmier"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: Standard where Auto was....

I agree about the standard. I really wanted a standard trany when I was
shopping for a used truck but all I could find was 5.8L with autos. Some
car
hunters I contacted even suggested that '95 F150's with 5.8L only came with
autos but I can't believe that. I swear if this E4OD ever burns up I am
going to replace it with a 5 speed manual if it is possible to swap them
out. I figure I will have to replace the drive shaft and some mounting
brackets.

Has anyone on the list ever replaced an '90-'96 F150 E4OD automatic
transmission with a 5-speed manual before?

Scott


Believe me Scott!!! I've thought of that....but I'm pretty sure clutch
linkage (hydraulic even) would be a booger!!! And I'm not THAT darn
mechanical! Someone shed light...PLEASE!

Dave
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Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 17:38:18 -0600
From: "Dave Harmier"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: OD light...

Thanks to Wayne, for saying it means something....but you'd have to see it
act and KNOW it's more like a bad connection....and besides...WHO DO YOU
TRUST not to PUT THE SHAFT INTO YOU about such things?

Dave
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Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 18:48:02 -0500 (EST)
From: pdonk webtv.net (Philip Donk)
Subject: FTE 80-96 - transmission problems

Lately I've been having a problem with my transmission. It seems that
in the morning when my engine is cold that it doesn't want to go
into second gear. I thought that maybe the clutch was bad but then, I
figured that if the clutch was bad that I wouldn't be able to get it in
any gear. If someone has had the same problem in the past or is
experiencing the same thing now, and they have some tips on how to fix
the problem I would really appreciate it.

Philip J. Donk

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Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 19:06:14 -0500
From: Philip Thomason
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Serious disappointment

Well, last week or so I noticed a green fluid in my tailpipe after a cold
night, and a morning start. I've been plugging in the block heater fairly
regularly. It's a '95 F-150 with a 302 V8 (code N)

The sad part is I bought the truck about 4 weeks ago (used). It's now a
little past 30 days, the legal warranty I think I have in Ontario.

I'm really quite disappointed. I wanted a truck so much.

I've looked at the procedure for removing the heads (hoping it's _just_ a
blown head gasket) but that task looks fairly daunting right now.

I'm hoping someone out there can tell me that this has happened before,
and might even be a somewhat "normal" occurrence???

Thanks,
Phil


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Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 16:13:45 PST
From: "Steve Likness"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Oil Pan

There's one in my Performance Automotive Warehouse catalog. It's a dual
sump, 5 quart, from Ford Motorsports, Part no. FOR-M-6675-C302. For
'83-90, it requires an oil pump screen and cover assembly FOAZ-6622-A
and recommends a stiffening kit FOR-M-6694-A302. It's listed for
$79.95. However, when I look at Miloden and others, there is a specific
pan just for the F-series trucks and especially the 4X4s so you may want
to ask some questions first. PAW's phone number is 818-678-3000.

Steve



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From: mentch cybrzn.com
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 14:59:04 -0600
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Oil Pan
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
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I am almost done rebuilding my 86 ford trucks 302 engine and i can't
seem to find a chrome oil pan anywhere for it its an 86 f-250
4x4...anyone know where i can find one???


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Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 20:04:15 -0500
From: Jay Snyder
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Door adjustment

The right door on my '87 F150 doesn't close all the way, and the
resulting wind noises is annoying. I tried to adjust the catch pin
(on the door jamb), but when I loosen it, it only adjust up and down,
not in - out.

Does the latch mechanism on the door adjust? How do I adjust
the door?

Thanks,
Jay
'87 F150

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Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 18:12:51 -0800
From: Bob Kennedy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Serious disappointment

Green form the tailpipe is usually not a good thing. It's not that hard of a job to
remove the heads on an EFI'd 302. You'll need to pull the upper intake first, to get
to all the other things easily.

Try running a pressure test to ensure it's radiator fluid you're seeing. More than
likely it is, then it could either be a bad head gasket, warped/cracked head, or
block. Given the year of your rig, it's probably a bad gasket.

Bood luck

Bob


Philip Thomason wrote:

> Well, last week or so I noticed a green fluid in my tailpipe after a cold
> night, and a morning start. I've been plugging in the block heater fairly
> regularly. It's a '95 F-150 with a 302 V8 (code N)
>
> The sad part is I bought the truck about 4 weeks ago (used). It's now a
> little past 30 days, the legal warranty I think I have in Ontario.
>
> I'm really quite disappointed. I wanted a truck so much.
>
> I've looked at the procedure for removing the heads (hoping it's _just_ a
> blown head gasket) but that task looks fairly daunting right now.
>
> I'm hoping someone out there can tell me that this has happened before,
> and might even be a somewhat "normal" occurrence???
>
> Thanks,
> Phil
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Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 20:48:53 -0600
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Serious disappointment

Don't jump to conclusions. I might just be corrosion from water from
combustion. Does it use coolant? Run ok? It might be nothing.

At 19:06 27/02/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Well, last week or so I noticed a green fluid in my tailpipe after a cold
>night, and a morning start. I've been plugging in the block heater fairly
>regularly. It's a '95 F-150 with a 302 V8 (code N)
>
>The sad part is I bought the truck about 4 weeks ago (used). It's now a
>little past 30 days, the legal warranty I think I have in Ontario.
>
>I'm really quite disappointed. I wanted a truck so much.
>
>I've looked at the procedure for removing the heads (hoping it's _just_ a
>blown head gasket) but that task looks fairly daunting right now.
>
>I'm hoping someone out there can tell me that this has happened before,
>and might even be a somewhat "normal" occurrence???
>
>Thanks,
>Phil
>
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Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton
'63 Buick Riviera
'80 Ford F-150
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Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 23:01:14 -0500
From: "msalvetti"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - E4OD Fluid Changes

I wrote:

>> My F150 has a 4-spd manual, but the used Windstar we bought 18 months
ago
>> (22K miles) already had a rebuilt E4OD in it. I made them do a
>> transmission service then, but we're coming up for another.

And Rob corrected me:

>That windstar might have an electronic 4spd auto, but it isn't an "E4OD".
>The trans that it has is a FWD transaxle based on what comes in the
Taurus.
>An E4OD is a RWD/4WD truck transmission based on the C6.
>
>Rob

Thanks Rob. That makes a lot of sense. It was a foolish mistake on my
part to even think that the FWD Windstar would be using a rear drive
transmission. I went by the OD switch on the stalk, rather than looking at
what was stamped on the pan (or using common sense).

Still, I wouldn't mind a comment on my suggestion, which was if fluid
breakdown is a problem with the E4OD (and maybe our Windstar, given the
short service interval), wouldn't synthetics be the way to go? Or are the
typical problems way beyond that?

Thanks!

Mark
1986 F150
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Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 22:09:05 -0600
From: Geoffrey Schrag
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Pilot bearing

Rick wrote,

"Geoff,
So did you get the pilot bearing casing out ?"

- - --
Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN

- -I hate to say it, but no I still haven't. Its almost as if the thing got
really hot and welded itself in place. I used a couple of small cold
chisels to cut it into three pieces. I'm not sure I cut it all the way
through to the edge where it mates up with the crank. I thought I'd
eventually be able to pound on the lip of the casing with a lateral motion
and get the peices to deflect away from the sides of the hole it sits in.
I also tried using the slide hammer again but it still didnt work. Maybe I
need to find one with a heavier weight on it? problem is I have to rent
the tools and they're hard to find and a bit expensive. Anyone know of a
mobile mechanic around here-MInneapolis-St Paul, MN? Friends with skills &
tools are back home in KS.

Geof Schrag
1980 Bronco
351M, 4sp-now wishing it was an automatic

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Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 22:28:09 -0600
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Pilot bearing

I has my shop manual out the other night to look up something else and ran
across the bit about pilot bearing removal. Remembering your earlier posts,
I read it. They show in the picture two notches on the back side of the
pilot bearing race for the puller fingers to go into. They show removal by
a slide hammer puller with the fingers in these notches. They do not act
like it is that tough. (You may have jammed it in there now with the chisel
deflecting the side like that.) Anyway, reach in there and feel around with
a nail or something bent 90 degrees at the tip to see if you can find these
notches and line the puller up to get in them. Good luck.

At 22:09 27/02/99 -0600, you wrote:
>
>
>Rick wrote,
>
> "Geoff,
> So did you get the pilot bearing casing out ?"
>
>- --
>Thanks,
> Rick Wojo
> '83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN
>
>-I hate to say it, but no I still haven't. Its almost as if the thing got
>really hot and welded itself in place. I used a couple of small cold
>chisels to cut it into three pieces. I'm not sure I cut it all the way
>through to the edge where it mates up with the crank. I thought I'd
>eventually be able to pound on the lip of the casing with a lateral motion
>and get the peices to deflect away from the sides of the hole it sits in.
>I also tried using the slide hammer again but it still didnt work. Maybe I
>need to find one with a heavier weight on it? problem is I have to rent
>the tools and they're hard to find and a bit expensive. Anyone know of a
>mobile mechanic around here-MInneapolis-St Paul, MN? Friends with skills &
>tools are back home in KS.
>
>Geof Schrag
>1980 Bronco
>351M, 4sp-now wishing it was an automatic
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Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton
'63 Buick Riviera
'80 Ford F-150
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Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 00:28:02 EST
From: JSC721 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Serious disappointment

Hi Phil,
I have an 89 e-250 with a 300 6 cyl. I noticed a bad coolant odor in the cab
when I started the vehicle, and alot of white smoke out of the tailpipe. To
make a long story short, The resevoir was losing coolant and it was being
blown out of the tailpipe. But there was no coolant detected in my oil. I
found that the head was cracked in a few places. So I did the job , broke my
butt, but saved alot of money, and learned alot too. You should do a pressure
test at the radiator to see if it loses pressure. I dont know how to detect
which head it is though, my 6 had 1 head. Good Luck.

Joe flashwax.com



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Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 00:37:33 EST
From: JSC721 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Serious disappointment

Hey Phil,
I wouldnt care about 4 weeks. I would fight like hell with the dealer or
person that sold it to you. If they wont take full responsibility, than make
them bastards pay half.
I would not let them get away with it. They probably put some sealer in the
radiator to conceal the problem. I would try it anyway.

Joe


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Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 22:39:40 -0000
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - AOD vs AODE

The AOD is actually based on the old FMX ford automatic tranny. The AOD-E
is simply an AOD using electronic controls (much like the E40D) instead of
the TV rod/cable of the "mechanical" AOD. Finally the 4R70W is an AOD-E
with a wide ratio gearset (which is also available for regular AOD's through
SVO). The original AOD was introduced in 1980, with the AOD-E coming in....


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