80-96-list-digest Saturday, February 27 1999 Volume 03 : Number 057



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - 83 F-350 rust
Re: FTE 80-96 - new toy
Re: FTE 80-96 - 300ci/4.9l mileage (was: gas milage)
FTE 80-96 - Gas Mileage, Air pumps, EGR, and other emissions evils
Re: FTE 80-96 - Thank You
Re: FTE 80-96 - new toy
FTE 80-96 - RE: Gas mileage!
FTE 80-96 - Flashing OD Off light in 92 F-150 E4OD???
RE: FTE 80-96 - Flashing OD Off light in 92 F-150 E4OD???
Re: FTE 80-96 - Flashing OD Off light in 92 F-150 E4OD???
Re: FTE 80-96 - Flashing OD Off light in 92 F-150 E4OD???
FTE 80-96 - Tranny cooler
Re: FTE 80-96 - Tranny cooler.
Re: FTE 80-96 - gas milage
Re: FTE 80-96 - Front/Rear tank mileage difference
Re: FTE 80-96 - '93Aerostar
Re: FTE 80-96 - Noise
Re: FTE 80-96 - Gas Mileage, Air pumps, EGR, and other emissions evils
FTE 80-96 - E4OD Fluid Changes
FTE 80-96 - RE: 300ci/4.9l mileage (was: gas milage)
Re: FTE 80-96 - gas milage
FTE 80-96 - Edelbrock IAS Shocks
FTE 80-96 - 300ci/4.9l mileage (was: gas mileage)
Re: FTE 80-96 - E4OD Fluid Changes
Re: FTE 80-96 - Flashing OD Off light in 92 F-150 E4OD???
RE: FTE 80-96 - Flashing OD Off light in 92 F-150 E4OD???
Re: FTE 80-96 - Flashing OD Off light in 92 F-150 E4OD???
RE: FTE 80-96 - Flashing OD Off light in 92 F-150 E4OD???
Re: FTE 80-96 - 83 F-350 rust
Re: FTE 80-96 - 300ci/4.9l mileage (was: gas milage)
Re: Re: FTE 80-96 - Gas Mileage, Air pumps, EGR, and otheremissions evils
FTE 80-96 - HOW DO I REMOVE MYSELF FROM THIS DAMN LIST
Re: FTE 80-96 - HOW DO I REMOVE MYSELF FROM THIS DAMN LIST
Re: FTE 80-96 - HOW DO I REMOVE MYSELF FROM THIS DAMN LIST

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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 04:23:46 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael Shepler
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 83 F-350 rust

I am rehab an 83 F-350 that has serious rust behind the driver's cab
and on the interior flooring. I looked at another 83 F-350 that was
identical and it rusted out holes in the same identical places. I
also have a 79 F-350, an 88 F-350, and an 87 F-150, all with no
rust and excellent paint. Does anyone know what gives with the 83?




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DO YOU YAHOO!?

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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 07:09:54 -0600
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - new toy

Metalsped aol.com wrote:

> I would like to unveil my new toy to the list. I purchased a 99 F250 SD
> CrewCab 4x4 v-10.

So where's the pic. You can't unveil something in text only.

> It is an awesome machine, but it sucks gas like no one's

Yeah, so I see your gonna buy A LOT of stock in Shell Oil. :-)

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Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Terrains
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale or back to the leasing dealer in March :-) :-))


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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 08:05:02 -0600
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 300ci/4.9l mileage (was: gas milage)

Erston Reisch wrote:

> 1990 F-150 Std Cab, Short Bed, 300ci I6 (4.9l), E4OD auto/OD tranny, 2WD, 3.55
> diff, new cap, rotor, wires, plugs, battery, belt, filters, etc. I have 59k
> miles on it (which I think is correct) and I don't have anything covering the

Greg,
I am still in the process of checking my m.p.g. after rebuilding
the carb a couple weeks ago and setting the proper timing and
fuel/mixture ratio on the classic '83 bronco. I will let
the list know what I get once I have a little more statistical data.
I have a one barrel carb with a 4 speed manual tranny.
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Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Terrains
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale or back to the leasing dealer in March :-) :-))


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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 09:03:06 -0500 (EST)
From: Jay Snyder
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Gas Mileage, Air pumps, EGR, and other emissions evils

I have an '87 F150 300ci I6, C6 (automatic, no overdrive), and 2.73 rear.
I get around 14mpg with it on the highway, and 12mpg around town.

I'm getting codes from the EEC for the EGR valve. Could this be affecting
milage? Also, could I improve milage by getting rid of the EGR, and AIR?
This would be for "off road use" ;)

Also, has any used the Clifford chip for this engine? If so, what kind of
performance, and mileage improvement can I expect?

Thanks,
Jay
'87 F150 300ci I6, C6, 2.73 rear


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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 08:18:34 -0600
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Thank You

TMac79 aol.com wrote:

> I just wanted to thank all of you for all the great advice and information. I
> won't need it anymore as my '92 F-150 met an untimley death this morning as a
> result of an up- close and personal meeting with a telephone pole. I'm fine
> but the same can't be said for my truck. Gotta love New England winters!!!!!!!


Tom,
You can't let a little thing like a pole get you down. :-) Get out
and get you another horse. Not only that but by your name , you are
Polish like me with half the alphabet in our last names. So you can't
let that get you down cause we don't know when to cry and when to
stop buying more Fords. Something in the genes I think. :-)
Glad to here you are okay.
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Thanks,
Rick Wojciechowski - " Wojo "
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Terrains
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale or back to the leasing dealer in March :-) :-))


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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 09:07:32 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Woods
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - new toy

On Fri, 26 Feb 1999, Randy wrote:

> Dan Rather mentioned in a report tonite about the new Ford Excursion
> that "It uses enough gasoline to make Saddam Hussein smile". Quote was
> paraphrased, but kinda liked that one. He was quoting some consumer
> group or company.

It was the Sierra Club.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/ap/financial/story.html?s=v/ap/19990225/bs/biggest_suv_2.html

(snip)

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Ken Woods
kwoods kens.com


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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 09:25:49 -0600
From: "Dave Harmier"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: Gas mileage!

on Wed. 24, FEB, you wrote
From: "Greg Lyon"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - gas milage

Hi Guys,

Would someone with a similar truck please respond so that I'll quit wasting
my money trying to improve the gas mileage. I have a '93 F150 4.9L I-6 5
speed with new plugs, cap, rotor, wires, air filter, good compression, no
fault codes. I have a flat bed cover and drive mostly freeway miles with no
load. I average between 14 & 15 mpg. Does this sound about right? Any
suggestions for improved mileage would be welcome.

thanks,
Greg

Greg,

I have a 92 F-150 5.0 E4OD that weighs near 7000 pounds, and gets very
similar mileage...we had an 88 I-6 5sp that did better on longish
trips....but I can't complain about 14.5 or so!

Incidently, how is your truck geared? Mine does 2000 RPM in OD at 70 mph,
about 2800 with OD locked out.....mines geared 3.53 (or close to that)

Your six should make good power in the high teens/low 2000's RPM....check
that gearing!!!

Dave H.
92 F-150 S/C 5.0 E4OD 188k miles and counting!
Houston, TX
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 09:41:53 -0600
From: "Dave Harmier"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Flashing OD Off light in 92 F-150 E4OD???

I changed NOTHING....haven't been anywhere NEAR the wiring....but my OD OFF
light does some really wierd stuff! Sometimes flashes like it's telling me
a code, sometimes flashes as if to revolutions of something, sometimes
doesn't light at all.

It has NO noticeable effect on performance....when OD is off, it's off! So
the whole circuit is not to blame....I don't even have a CLUE as to how to
get the bulb out to change it?

I've been meaning to put a switch for TC lock out...but haven't yet.

Does ANY of this sound like something that has happened to you???

Thanks!
Dave H.
92 F-150 S/C 5.0L E4OD (next truck STANDARD!)
Houston, TX
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 09:00:16 -0700
From: "Giddens, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Flashing OD Off light in 92 F-150 E4OD???

Someone on the list once said the OD OFF light flashes when there is an
error but that was for the '95 and later trucks with a smarter computer. I
would make a call to your local Ford service dept and just ask them what's
the deal. It does not sound like a code or something unless the flashes are
at regular intervals. If they are just random then it must be something
wrong with the wiring.

I agree about the standard. I really wanted a standard trany when I was
shopping for a used truck but all I could find was 5.8L with autos. Some car
hunters I contacted even suggested that '95 F150's with 5.8L only came with
autos but I can't believe that. I swear if this E4OD ever burns up I am
going to replace it with a 5 speed manual if it is possible to swap them
out. I figure I will have to replace the drive shaft and some mounting
brackets.

Has anyone on the list ever replaced an '90-'96 F150 E4OD automatic
transmission with a 5-speed manual before?

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From:Dave Harmier [SMTP:dharmier gte.net]
Sent:Friday, February 26, 1999 8:42 AM
To:80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject:FTE 80-96 - Flashing OD Off light in 92 F-150
E4OD???

I changed NOTHING....haven't been anywhere NEAR the wiring....but my
OD OFF
light does some really wierd stuff! Sometimes flashes like it's
telling me
a code, sometimes flashes as if to revolutions of something,
sometimes
doesn't light at all.

It has NO noticeable effect on performance....when OD is off, it's
off! So
the whole circuit is not to blame....I don't even have a CLUE as to
how to
get the bulb out to change it?

I've been meaning to put a switch for TC lock out...but haven't yet.

Does ANY of this sound like something that has happened to you???

Thanks!
Dave H.
92 F-150 S/C 5.0L E4OD (next truck STANDARD!)
Houston, TX
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 11:09:48 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Flashing OD Off light in 92 F-150 E4OD???

Dave,
As we have been talking about, I was told by my buddy, who has done all the
tranny work on my families and friends vehicles, that is a sign of tranny
problems. He says that as the ECM doesn't really have the diagnostic
capability to check all the tranny functions it has a default to cause the OD
off light to flash as that is directly connected to the problematic area. Mine
flashed like that for a couple of months and I didn't even give it another
thought...now my truck is in the shop getting a rebuild. It basically says
either the line pressures are off and giving the ECM conflicting readings or
that the trans. temp is fluctuating. Both of them are not good at all. Have it
checked out by someone you trust.
IMHO,
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
"Hazardous Material"
Wayne's Flareside Page
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 11:18:47 -0500
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Flashing OD Off light in 92 F-150 E4OD???

Giddens, Scott wrote:
>
> Someone on the list once said the OD OFF light flashes when there is an
> error but that was for the '95 and later trucks with a smarter computer. I
> would make a call to your local Ford service dept and just ask them what's
> the deal. It does not sound like a code or something unless the flashes are
> at regular intervals. If they are just random then it must be something
> wrong with the wiring.
>
> I agree about the standard. I really wanted a standard trany when I was
> shopping for a used truck but all I could find was 5.8L with autos. Some car
> hunters I contacted even suggested that '95 F150's with 5.8L only came with
> autos but I can't believe that. I swear if this E4OD ever burns up I am
> going to replace it with a 5 speed manual if it is possible to swap them
> out. I figure I will have to replace the drive shaft and some mounting
> brackets.
>
> Has anyone on the list ever replaced an '90-'96 F150 E4OD automatic
> transmission with a 5-speed manual before?
>
> Scott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Harmier [SMTP:dharmier gte.net]
> Sent: Friday, February 26, 1999 8:42 AM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - Flashing OD Off light in 92 F-150
> E4OD???
>
> I changed NOTHING....haven't been anywhere NEAR the wiring....but my
> OD OFF
> light does some really wierd stuff! Sometimes flashes like it's
> telling me
> a code, sometimes flashes as if to revolutions of something,
> sometimes
> doesn't light at all.
>
> It has NO noticeable effect on performance....when OD is off, it's
> off! So
> the whole circuit is not to blame....I don't even have a CLUE as to
> how to
> get the bulb out to change it?
>
> I've been meaning to put a switch for TC lock out...but haven't yet.
>
> Does ANY of this sound like something that has happened to you???
>
> Thanks!
> Dave H.
> 92 F-150 S/C 5.0L E4OD (next truck STANDARD!)
> Houston, TX
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This has come up on the Lightning list...it think it has happened in all
3 years 93-95...so i don't think it is just 95 and up...maybe though!
Chris
94 Lightning #381
NLOC #238
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 08:05:10 -0900
From: "L WALTERS"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Tranny cooler

I want to install an aux trans cooler in my 90 F-250 w/ E4OD. (took out of
my 88 Bronco b4 I sold it.)

Should I cut a chunk out of my return line and install there?

Thanks
Josh
berelson gte.net
Edmonds, WA

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That is the way I did it, and it works fantastic. Mine is behind the
radiator because in the winter the radiator helps warm up the trans also.
Bart-AK


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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 07:06:58 -0600
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Tranny cooler.

Yes. I use two hose clamps where the hose slides over the original tubing.

AND, check the flex hose you add up to the cooler every time you are under
there to change the oil. Look for leaks or signs of chafing or other
damage. If this hose fails while you are driving, you will quickly pump
your tranny dry and cause much more damage than you are ever preventing
with the cooler!

At 18:02 25/02/99 -0800, you wrote:
>I want to install an aux trans cooler in my 90 F-250 w/ E4OD. (took out of
>my 88 Bronco b4 I sold it.)
>
>Should I cut a chunk out of my return line and install there?
>

Jim Cannon
Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton
'63 Buick Riviera
'80 Ford F-150
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 07:14:37 -0600
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - gas milage

With the EFI, you should get better. I get 15 on the highway with a carb.
You should get 17 or 18. (Not the 22 someone else said they thought the I-6
would get with a 5-speed.)

With everything you have replaced, things should be pretty good. How many
miles on the engine?

Ever replace the oxygen sensor? I have heard these will slowly lose their
sensitivity and have the computer inject a little bit too much fuel. This
will hurt your mileage.

Is your thermostat bringing the engine up to proper operating temperature?
If not, your computer will stay in rich "warm up the cold engine" mode.
Some people put a 160 degree thermostat in, but this is no good on an EFI
engine.

Also, how you drive can affect it a bit. How fast do you drive on the
highway? These box-shaped trucks are not very aerodynamic.

Ever have the cat converter tested for plugging? This affects you most at
high RPM (high speed).

At 19:00 24/02/99 -0800, you wrote:
>Would someone with a similar truck please respond so that I'll quit wasting
>my money trying to improve the gas mileage. I have a '93 F150 4.9L I-6 5
>speed with new plugs, cap, rotor, wires, air filter, good compression, no
>fault codes. I have a flat bed cover and drive mostly freeway miles with no
>load. I average between 14 & 15 mpg. Does this sound about right? Any
>suggestions for improved mileage would be welcome.
>

Jim Cannon
Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton
'63 Buick Riviera
'80 Ford F-150
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 07:17:57 -0600
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Front/Rear tank mileage difference

The selector valve controls where the fuel runs to. These are recirculating
fuel systems. The pump in the tank sends fueld up to the rail and then it
goes back to the tank. Easy to have the return fuel leak into the wrong
tank with bad selector valve. This is a known problem and Ford should
repair for no charge to you.

At 08:17 22/02/99 -0700, you wrote:
>My son is getting considerably different mileage between the front and rear
>tanks on his 95 F-150. Like 14 on rear and 18 on the front. He also says
>he experiences low power and cutting out when running on the rear tank and
>climbing mountain passes at high altitude. The front tank has normal power.
>I suspect a leak into the front tank when he is switched to the rear tank
>but don't know how the reverse flow valving is done with the dual pump
>system. Any ideas what may be the problem here?
>
>Larry
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Jim Cannon
Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton
'63 Buick Riviera
'80 Ford F-150
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 07:21:38 -0600
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - '93Aerostar

Codes are stored for a while after the light goes out. If it comes on while
driving long-term high speed, tell that to the mechanic after he pulls the
codes. The light does not need to stay on. The computer remembers, as long
as you do not wait too long. Don't consider the check engine light to just
be emissions related. It comes on any time the computer gets a signal from
part of the system that is out of normal range. Have a good mechanic pul
the codes and work with him and the list to diagnose the problem from
combination of situation, symptoms and codes.
At 23:38 24/02/99 -0000, you wrote:
>Dear Jim & list:
>Sorry, My fault, I forgot to clarify when first posting that this is not a
code-message-type situation. This is the light coming on and staying on,
but only on cross-the-country trips. So it comes on for a couple of miles,
goes out for a few more, etc. I have had the coded message experience also
so I know whereof you speak, when we first bought the car we had one of
those things happen. This began around 50,000 miles on the vehicle, and
I've been talking to Aerostar owners and many of them have had the same
experience. When I learned that the engine light comes on based on
emissions I realized I did not have to panic. But still..!?!...... Thanks
for the input so far, anxiously
Jim Cannon
Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton
'63 Buick Riviera
'80 Ford F-150
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 10:38:21 -0600
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Noise

You can always try running without fan belt for a few minutes (it won't
kill it). Not too long.

When you hear the noise, is the radio on? I got an alternator whine on a
radio once that I thought was coming from the engine (varied with RPM).

When bearings go out on alternator or water pump, I usually hear a growl,
not a whine. Others may want to comment on this. I think a bad diode on the
alternator will whine.

(Most of my whining comes from the kids in the back!)

At 07:26 25/02/99 -0500, you wrote:
>A note to thank those who posted or replied direct and offered help with
>the noise in my '86 F-150.
>So far I have (1) replaced the power steering pump (2) replaced the
>power brake booster (3) replaced all drive belts (4) lubed the
>speedometer cable (5) replaced the frame-mounted fuel pump (6) replaced
>the valve selector (7) checked the vacuum lines (8) checked the coolant
>in the radiator / overflow tank and (9) changed fluid/filter in the
>transmission & fluid in the torque converter.
>After the engine gets warm, I can still hear the whining noise when I
>stop at a red light or stop and put the transmission in park. It seems
>the water pump and alternator are the remaining two possibilities though
>the temperature gauge is in its "normal" position and the ammeter
>appears to indicate positive output from the alternator. Is the
>"stethescope" procedure useful here? Seems easy enough to "listen" to
>the alternator though I would be less enthusiastic about reaching in
>near the fan with the engine running to place the end of the "scope" on
>the water pump.

Jim Cannon
Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton
'63 Buick Riviera
'80 Ford F-150
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 10:55:31 -0600
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Gas Mileage, Air pumps, EGR, and other emissions evils

EGR malfunction _can_ reduce mileage.

Removing it does not help with EFI mpg. The computer is programmed to
assume it is there. Helps mpg with a carb if you put in smaller jets. If
not then no help.

AIR pump does not rob that much power. Why pollute the pristeen off-road
areas you will drive through?

At 09:03 26/02/99 -0500, you wrote:
>I have an '87 F150 300ci I6, C6 (automatic, no overdrive), and 2.73 rear.
>I get around 14mpg with it on the highway, and 12mpg around town.
>
>I'm getting codes from the EEC for the EGR valve. Could this be affecting
>milage? Also, could I improve milage by getting rid of the EGR, and AIR?
>This would be for "off road use" ;)
>

Jim Cannon
Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton
'63 Buick Riviera
'80 Ford F-150
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 13:16:39 -0500
From: "msalvetti"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - E4OD Fluid Changes

Seems like a lot of the E4OD discussions keep coming back to fluid changes
every 20K miles or so, because the fluid breaks down.

My F150 has a 4-spd manual, but the used Windstar we bought 18 months ago
(22K miles) already had a rebuilt E4OD in it. I made them do a
transmission service then, but we're coming up for another.

Anyway, if breakdown of the fluid properties is a big problem, seems like a
perfect application for a synthetic. I think both Mobil 1 and Red Line
make synthetics that meet the Ford Mercon spec.

Any thoughts on this? Although expensive, I'm thinking of going this
route, but still continuing to change fluid at the recommended 20K miles.

Thanks!

Mark Salvetti
1986 F150
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 12:32:54 -0600
From: "David Anderson (EUS)"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: 300ci/4.9l mileage (was: gas milage)

>>>>>My truck is slightly different than your setup, but I figured I'd toss
it in
for comparison:

1990 F-150 Std Cab, Short Bed, 300ci I6 (4.9l), E4OD auto/OD tranny, 2WD,
3.55
diff, new cap, rotor, wires, plugs, battery, belt, filters, etc. I have 59k
miles on it (which I think is correct) and I don't have anything covering
the
bed. On my last fillup, I was excited by 16.0 mpg, and usually get 14.5 mpg
to 15.5 mpg, mostly gentle city driving and freeway (60-65mph).

I have the same truck (ex LB) and get the same numbers. EPA rates it as
16-20 and some claim to get that but I think 15 is more the norm.
David Anderson


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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 11:45:38 -0800
From: "Mike"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - gas milage

I really thought the 6 would do better than that. Go figure.
85 F250 4x4, ext cab, 6.9 banks turbo diesel, with canopy, 3.55, 6800 lbs
empty - gets 16-18 hiway (speed dependent) and 11+ mpg towing a 7500 lb 28ft
trailer.

mike
mailto:mikemilr ix.netcom.com

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From: Jim Cannon
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, February 26, 1999 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - gas milage


>With the EFI, you should get better. I get 15 on the highway with a carb.
>You should get 17 or 18. (Not the 22 someone else said they thought the I-6
>would get with a 5-speed.)
>
>With everything you have replaced, things should be pretty good. How many
>miles on the engine?
>
>Ever replace the oxygen sensor? I have heard these will slowly lose their
>sensitivity and have the computer inject a little bit too much fuel. This
>will hurt your mileage.
>
>Is your thermostat bringing the engine up to proper operating temperature?
>If not, your computer will stay in rich "warm up the cold engine" mode.
>Some people put a 160 degree thermostat in, but this is no good on an EFI
>engine.
>
>Also, how you drive can affect it a bit. How fast do you drive on the
>highway? These box-shaped trucks are not very aerodynamic.
>
>Ever have the cat converter tested for plugging? This affects you most at
>high RPM (high speed).
>
>At 19:00 24/02/99 -0800, you wrote:
>>Would someone with a similar truck please respond so that I'll quit
wasting
>>my money trying to improve the gas mileage. I have a '93 F150 4.9L I-6 5
>>speed with new plugs, cap, rotor, wires, air filter, good compression, no
>>fault codes. I have a flat bed cover and drive mostly freeway miles with
no
>>load. I average between 14 & 15 mpg. Does this sound about right? Any
>>suggestions for improved mileage would be welcome.
>>
>
>Jim Cannon
>Houston, TX
>'29 Ford Model A Phaeton
>'63 Buick Riviera
>'80 Ford F-150
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 11:03:46 -0800
From: "Posluszny, Walt (POSL)"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Edelbrock IAS Shocks

Anyone tried these? Have an option? On or Offline is fine.

Thanks Walt

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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 12:16:38 -0800 (PST)
From: Andrew Christopher Funk
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 300ci/4.9l mileage (was: gas mileage)

I have a 94 F150, I-6, 5-speed, 3.08 rear, and I get around 15-16 mpg as
well. I have new plugs and a freshly cleaned K&N air filter. My next
step (this weekend) is to replace the cap, rotor, and plug wires and see
what that does (especially considering that those items are due for
replacing anyways). What I am really curious about is what sort of
improvements people have seen replacing the O2 sensor. I have heard that
this can make a significant difference.

- -Andrew Funk

p.s. I do realize that the monetary savings of increasing a few mpg aren't
huge, but it bugs me when my vehicle isn't running optimally, and I
believe the I-6 with a 5-speed is supposed to be getting a lot closer to
20 mpg (hwy driving) than I have been seeing.

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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 12:17:11 -0800
From: "Rob Bryan"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - E4OD Fluid Changes

> My F150 has a 4-spd manual, but the used Windstar we bought 18 months ago
> (22K miles) already had a rebuilt E4OD in it. I made them do a
> transmission service then, but we're coming up for another.

That windstar might have an electronic 4spd auto, but it isn't an "E4OD".
The trans that it has is a FWD transaxle based on what comes in the Taurus.
An E4OD is a RWD/4WD truck transmission based on the C6.

Rob
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 12:15:01 -0800
From: "Rob Bryan"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Flashing OD Off light in 92 F-150 E4OD???

> Someone on the list once said the OD OFF light flashes when there is an
> error but that was for the '95 and later trucks with a smarter computer.

No, on all E4OD applications, from 1989 on, a flashing OD OFF light means
that the computer has sensed a problem with the trans.

> I agree about the standard. I really wanted a standard trany when I was
> shopping for a used truck but all I could find was 5.8L with autos. Some car
> hunters I contacted even suggested that '95 F150's with 5.8L only came with
> autos but I can't believe that.

Sorry, but they were correct. The only way to get a 5.8 with a manual (at
least from around '87 on) was to get a 250HD or greater. In the light-duty
trucks, the 5.8 only came with a C6 or E4OD automatic. It's still the same
today for that motor's replacement, the 5.4.

Rob
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 14:33:18 -0700
From: "Giddens, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Flashing OD Off light in 92 F-150 E4OD???

So is it possible to replace an E4OD with a 5-speed manual in a F150? Or are
the chassis on a F250HD that much different?

Scott
~snip~
Sorry, but they were correct. The only way to get a 5.8 with a
manual (at
least from around '87 on) was to get a 250HD or greater. In the
light-duty
trucks, the 5.8 only came with a C6 or E4OD automatic. It's still
the same
today for that motor's replacement, the 5.4.

Rob

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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 13:48:34 -0800
From: "Rob Bryan"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Flashing OD Off light in 92 F-150 E4OD???

Shouldn't be all that dificult, as long as the trans you get has the small
block bellhousing. You'd probably want the ZF 5-speed instead of the Mazda
one. You also might need to drill mounting holes in the frame and/or
crossmember. And if you have a truck with an E4OD trans, you'll need a
computer from a F250+ that came with a manual. Oh, dont forget the
clutch...and on and on...

Rob

> So is it possible to replace an E4OD with a 5-speed manual in a F150? Or are
> the chassis on a F250HD that much different?
>
> Scott
> ~snip~
> Sorry, but they were correct. The only way to get a 5.8 with a
> manual (at
> least from around '87 on) was to get a 250HD or greater. In the
> light-duty
> trucks, the 5.8 only came with a C6 or E4OD automatic. It's still
> the same
> today for that motor's replacement, the 5.4.
>
> Rob
>
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 15:25:54 -0700
From: "Giddens, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Flashing OD Off light in 92 F-150 E4OD???

I have only done that once before, on a Mustang. You go to a salvage yard
and get the 5-speed, clutch pedal linkage, drive line, cross-member,
transmission access plate, floor shifter and linkage, and the computer if
they have it.

That's a lot of work/money. You would almost need a F150 with a 302 someone
is parting out. Add to that the rebuild of the clutch, pressure plate, and
throw-out bearing, and you are looking at about 2 grand. Unless I plan on
keeping my truck a very long time I might just rebuild the auto. :-(

Scott

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From:Rob Bryan [SMTP:rbryan netgate.net]
Sent:Friday, February 26, 1999 2:49 PM
To:80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject:Re: FTE 80-96 - Flashing OD Off light in 92 F-150
E4OD???

Shouldn't be all that dificult, as long as the trans you get has the
small
block bellhousing. You'd probably want the ZF 5-speed instead of the
Mazda
one. You also might need to drill mounting holes in the frame and/or
crossmember. And if you have a truck with an E4OD trans, you'll need
a
computer from a F250+ that came with a manual. Oh, dont forget the
clutch...and on and on...

Rob

> So is it possible to replace an E4OD with a 5-speed manual in a
F150? Or are
> the chassis on a F250HD that much different?
>
> Scott
> ~snip~
> Sorry, but they were correct. The only way to get a 5.8 with a
> manual (at
> least from around '87 on) was to get a 250HD or greater. In the
> light-duty
> trucks, the 5.8 only came with a C6 or E4OD automatic. It's still
> the same
> today for that motor's replacement, the 5.4.
>
> Rob
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 19:06:03 -0500
From: Randy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 83 F-350 rust

Mikey,
Not just an '83 problem. My 87 F-250HD has it on both sides. This is
assuming, of course, that you are talking about the lower rear cab
corners. One is bubbling rust, the other is thru already. This problem
is so common on most trucks (gm's too) that you can buy replacement
sheet metal for just that area. Have a body shop cut out the old crap
and weld in the new piece, prep and paint it. As for my floor, my boots
wore holes thru the rubber and I have surface rust on the floor because
of it, snow, water, salt from boots of course. Won't be too bad if I
fix that this spring. I'm from Ohio and you'd think salt grew on trees
here they use so much of it. Seriously accelerates any 'cancer' your
truck may have.

Later,
Brew

Michael Shepler wrote:
>
> I am rehab an 83 F-350 that has serious rust behind the driver's cab
> and on the interior flooring. I looked at another 83 F-350 that was
> identical and it rusted out holes in the same identical places. I
> also have a 79 F-350, an 88 F-350, and an 87 F-150, all with no
> rust and excellent paint. Does anyone know what gives with the 83?
>
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 21:24:49 EST
From: DJ250r aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 300ci/4.9l mileage (was: gas milage)

mine gets crapy milage too 95 x cab with 31s on it and its a 5 speed ,i could
of had a v8!
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 23:05:44 -0500
From: "James Beaman"
Subject: Re: Re: FTE 80-96 - Gas Mileage, Air pumps, EGR, and otheremissions evils

Jim Cannon wrote:

EGR malfunction _can_ reduce mileage.

Removing it does not help with EFI mpg. The computer is programmed to
assume it is there.


EGR malfunction can increase mileage also. About the time my check engine light came on a couple years back in my '92 F250, 351W, 3.55, the mileage at 65 mph went up to about 21 mpg. Pulling the codes revealed an EGR malfunction so I replaced it and the mileage decreased to around 17 but the check engine light stayed off. Whatever was wrong with the EGR must have really leaned out the engine. I saved it and have since thought about putting it back on and see what happens. Does anyone think that running this lean has any potential for damage to the pistons due to overheating?

James Beaman
Houston

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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 23:29:39 -0600
From: "mooney"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - HOW DO I REMOVE MYSELF FROM THIS DAMN LIST

HOW DO I REMOVE MYSELF FROM THIS DAMN LIST???
- -----Original Message-----
From: James Beaman
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, February 26, 1999 11:06 PM
Subject: Re: Re: FTE 80-96 - Gas Mileage, Air pumps, EGR, and otheremissions
evils


>Jim Cannon wrote:
>
>EGR malfunction _can_ reduce mileage.
>
>Removing it does not help with EFI mpg. The computer is programmed to
>assume it is there.
>
>
>EGR malfunction can increase mileage also. About the time my check engine
light came on a couple years back in my '92 F250, 351W, 3.55, the mileage at
65 mph went up to about 21 mpg. Pulling the codes revealed an EGR
malfunction so I replaced it and the mileage decreased to around 17 but the
check engine light stayed off. Whatever was wrong with the EGR must have
really leaned out the engine. I saved it and have since thought about
putting it back on and see what happens. Does anyone think that running
this lean has any potential for damage to the pistons due to overheating?
>
>James Beaman
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