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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - Re: FTE80-96-Overdrive light flashing
FTE 80-96 - Noise
FTE 80-96 - Thank You
FTE 80-96 - Mazda 5-speed trans problem?
Re: FTE 80-96 - gas milage
FTE 80-96 - Drive line vibration
RE: FTE 80-96 - gas milage
Re: FTE 80-96 - '93Aerostar
FTE 80-96 - Re: Timing Mixture Problem
Re: FTE 80-96 - Drive line vibration
RE: FTE 80-96 - gas milage
FTE 80-96 - new toy
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: FTE80-96-Overdrive light flashing
Re: FTE 80-96 - new toy
FTE 80-96 - Tranny cooler.
Fw: FTE 80-96 - Re: FTE80-96-Overdrive light flashing
Re: FTE 80-96 - new toy
FTE 80-96 - 300ci/4.9l mileage (was: gas milage)

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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 07:02:26 -0500
From: Matt Marinak
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: FTE80-96-Overdrive light flashing

Wayne,
been watching from "digest land" for a while.
I've got a 2wd E4od that's been rebuilt at 33k (under warranty). My first Ford and I wasn't impressed with this initiation activity. The dealer told me a cracked piston in the tranny caused the "washboard effect" when upshifting. Apparently a common problem he said... hmmmm.... Also recommended to change the fluid every 20-30k due to a loss in viscosity. (First I've ever heard of a transmission wiping out due to a 33k mile loss in viscosity.)

At any rate, I've talked to Aerostar owners and other F150 owners and it seems to be unanimous - this transmission will self destruct - it just a matter of time.

I must say I like your approach to a bullet-proofing rebuild (and the price doesn't seem prohibitive). But if I were to go to a shop and try to get a similar outcome, I'd be hard pressed to ask for the right things.

Could you outline several of the "must have" aspects of your rebuild for those of us who are taking notes on this one? That way, when it happens, I can get a stronger/longer-lasting than original result.

thanks,
Matt



>
>
> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 23:40:31 EST
> From: FLR150 aol.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - FTE80-96-Overdrive light flashing
>
> I have the AODE/4R70W. I know that on this tranny which was the predecessor to
> the E4OD, when the OD light starts to flash that means the ECM has found a
> definite fault and it has set the tranny circuits into default or "LIMP" mode.
> If you push it, it will only cause damage and overheating of the tranny. I did
> the exact same thing and had the same shifting characteristics you describe
> and right now this very minute, my truck is at the tranny shop undergoing a
> complete and total overhaul. And of course waiting for the da*n extended
> warranty company to make up their blinking minds as whether to honor the
> warranty or not. But just to let you all know.. I am doing a complete upgrade
> to all the "severe" duty parts ALA Art Carr's "Rough Riders" division. I am
> going with the complete heavy duty sprag and planetary drum set, racing
> application rebuild kit, beefier band, 500 over stock stall 12" HD lockup
> convertor, and valve body kit. Like I said in a previous post, BULLETPROOF
> TIRE SHREDDING TRANNY. I will have my truck back by Monday the 22nd,
> regardless of the warranty company's response. I am gonna pay for it and then
> I'll have MAJOR grounds to stand and fight. Oh by the way...total cost for the
> turnkey rebuild=$1400. Includes all upgraded parts and overhaul/removal &
> replacement.
> Wayne Foy
> '94 Flareside SC
> "Hazardous Material"
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 07:26:15 -0500
From: Tom Gunby
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Noise

A note to thank those who posted or replied direct and offered help with
the noise in my '86 F-150.
So far I have (1) replaced the power steering pump (2) replaced the
power brake booster (3) replaced all drive belts (4) lubed the
speedometer cable (5) replaced the frame-mounted fuel pump (6) replaced
the valve selector (7) checked the vacuum lines (8) checked the coolant
in the radiator / overflow tank and (9) changed fluid/filter in the
transmission & fluid in the torque converter.
After the engine gets warm, I can still hear the whining noise when I
stop at a red light or stop and put the transmission in park. It seems
the water pump and alternator are the remaining two possibilities though
the temperature gauge is in its "normal" position and the ammeter
appears to indicate positive output from the alternator. Is the
"stethescope" procedure useful here? Seems easy enough to "listen" to
the alternator though I would be less enthusiastic about reaching in
near the fan with the engine running to place the end of the "scope" on
the water pump.
Again, thanks for the responses.
Regards,
Tom Gunby

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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 08:13:23 EST
From: TMac79 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Thank You

I just wanted to thank all of you for all the great advice and information. I
won't need it anymore as my '92 F-150 met an untimley death this morning as a
result of an up- close and personal meeting with a telephone pole. I'm fine
but the same can't be said for my truck. Gotta love New England winters!!!!!!!

It's been fun
Tom Maciejewski
R.I.P. '92 f-150 xlt 4x4

P.S. back to lurking!
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 07:33:23 -0600
From: DuaneKaufman LunarCorp.com (Duane Kaufman)
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Mazda 5-speed trans problem?

Hello,

I have a 1989 F150 4x4 LB 4.9L with a Mazda 5-speed transmission. This
morning I had it in 4WD-Hi to get out of my driveway, and at a level stretch
I attempted to shift it into 2nd at around 10MPH or so. During the shift,
the gearshift lever felt like it wasn't connected to _anything_, and there
was a very light grinding noise (I could barely feel it in the lever) that
slowed as the truck came to a stop.

I took the truck out of 4WD and back in again, and then tried to put it in
1st (the truck was stopped). It went into 1st, felt like it always had, and
I drove into work (~40 miles) without a mishap.

Has anyone else ever experienced something like this?

I read a lot of posts of how the Mazda 5-speed is a poor excuse for a
transmission. I was wondering if those who have had problems with it could
let me know the symptoms they experienced, and what was wrong?

Thanks in advance!

Duane Kaufman (DuaneKaufman LunarCorp.com)

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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 05:10:28 PST
From: "Steve Likness"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - gas milage

Headers, 2.73 rear end, 4-bbl?, retard the timing?, bypass the smog
equipment, dump the cat converter, add flow through muffler, windage
tray, crank scraper, etc.

I got 16-17 with mine ('82) and up to 19 on the freeway and it still had
a smog pump and other smog stuff. That was with my stock manifold and
carb, retarded timing and lean carb (pinged on acceleration, though),
and a C6 automatic. I dropped to 15-17 overall when I advanced the
timing and set the carb so that it didn't sound like a diesel every time
I hopped on the gas. I do not know what gear ratio I have in the rear
(tag says 75 9 S314C and I can't find that combo in my Chilton's). Oh,
and that was a F150 2WD with an aluminum topper.

Steve

- ----Original Message Follows----
From: "Greg Lyon"
To:
Subject: FTE 80-96 - gas milage
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 19:00:16 -0800
Reply-To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com


Hi Guys,

Would someone with a similar truck please respond so that I'll quit
wasting
my money trying to improve the gas mileage. I have a '93 F150 4.9L I-6 5
speed with new plugs, cap, rotor, wires, air filter, good compression,
no
fault codes. I have a flat bed cover and drive mostly freeway miles with
no
load. I average between 14 & 15 mpg. Does this sound about right? Any
suggestions for improved mileage would be welcome.

thanks,
Greg

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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 06:14:36 -0800
From: johnhfleming juno.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Drive line vibration

I have an 86 F150 Supercab 5.0 AOD. I put in a lift kit (4 inch front 2
inch rear) about 6 mos ago and picked up a slight vibration. Thefront U
joint and trans bearing were replaced about 1 1/2 years ago so I had the
rear 2 U joints replaced about 2 months ago and the rear end rebuilt the
first part of this month (4.56's). No improvement. I just lowered the
carrier bearing about 1 inch day before yesterday, it helped the low
vibration I was getting off the line but the vibration at RPM is getting
worse especially above 2000 RPM. I adjusted the carrier bearing as far
foward as I could, to engage the trans as deep as possible, but no
better. I checked the run-out at the rear end with a dial indicator and
it runs within .005. The slip joint seems plenty snug also. The only
place I find any lateral movement is at the trans and it is slight. I
remember catching the edge of a post about bad yokes but didn't pay much
attention at the time. I will pull the drive shafts out and take them to
a shop for balance but I am frustrated at not being able to diagnose
this. Any ideas appreciated.

Does anyone know of an inexpensive fuel pressure gage setup that will
work on the fuel rail of this beast. I think I am getting a pressure drop
at times and haven't found a gage setup that I can use.

TIA

John Fleming

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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 08:23:39 -0600
From: "Rex Bennett"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - gas milage

Greg,

I have a 87 F-150 4.9L I-6 4 speed OD, I also drive mostly freeway miles and
get around 16 MPG.

Rex

>Would someone with a similar truck please respond so that I'll quit wasting
>my money trying to improve the gas mileage. I have a '93 F150 4.9L I-6 5
>speed with new plugs, cap, rotor, wires, air filter, good compression, no
>fault codes. I have a flat bed cover and drive mostly freeway miles with no
>load. I average between 14 & 15 mpg. Does this sound about right? Any
>suggestions for improved mileage would be welcome.
>
>thanks,
> Greg


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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 09:59:28 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - '93Aerostar

>Sorry, My fault, I forgot to clarify when first posting that this is not a
>code-message-type situation. This is the light coming on and staying on,
>but only on cross-the-country trips. So it comes on for a couple of miles,
>goes out for a few more, etc. I have had the coded message experience also
>so I know whereof you speak, when we first bought the car we had one of
>those things happen. This began around 50,000 miles on the vehicle, and
>I've been talking to Aerostar owners and many of them have had the same
>experience. When I learned that the engine light comes on based on
>emissions I realized I did not have to panic. But still..!?!...... Thanks
>for the input so far, anxiously awaiting your reply,

My sister had a similar problem with her 91 F250. Not sure if its related
or not, but she got a check engine light that would go on and off seemingly
randomly to us, mostly on long trips, but sometimes a few minutes after
startup too. The fixes were rather odd. They must've been getting an EGR
code, cause that was the main part they sold us (they wanted to do the work
and make a bunch of money, but by doing it ourself it was 1/3 the cost).
They also said a cracked upper intake manifold gasket could be causing the
light. Upon pulling the upper intake manifold, the old one was cracked,
and coated in oil. Replacing the EGR valve and this intake gasket cleared
up the light no problem. Not sure how easy it is on an Aerostar, but on
the full size it took me an hour to an hour and a half to do the whole thing.


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 10:13:32 PST
From: "Casey Vandor"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Timing Mixture Problem

Ok, tore into the carb a bit on my truck (didn't change anything, jsut
looking for now) and put it back together. THe truck will start and it
is kinda a 50/50 chance, in time or out. I have noticed that now, when
I start it, if I let is sit, most of the time, it thinks about it self
and then fixes the timing/mixture, and runs fine. It is the few times
that it doesn't that worry me. I can shut it off and restart, but the
problem is still there. It seems to only correct the problem if *it*
wants to. I hate to even ask, but could this problem be the computer
biting the bullet?

Thanks,
Casey Vandor

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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 09:38:53 -0900
From: "Ben Everitt"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Drive line vibration

John,

I might be out in left field, but have you checked the angle of your front
driveline. With an earlier truck my angle that the u-joint was working with
was too extreme for smooth running. I ended up with a terrible vibration in
the truck.

Just my 2 pennies.

By the way, I now have a f-150. What leveling kit did you use? Are you
happy w/it?

Ben
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From: johnhfleming juno.com
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, February 25, 1999 5:28 AM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Drive line vibration


>I have an 86 F150 Supercab 5.0 AOD. I put in a lift kit (4 inch front 2
>inch rear) about 6 mos ago and picked up a slight vibration. Thefront U
>joint and trans bearing were replaced about 1 1/2 years ago so I had the
>rear 2 U joints replaced about 2 months ago and the rear end rebuilt the
>first part of this month (4.56's). No improvement. I just lowered the
>carrier bearing about 1 inch day before yesterday, it helped the low
>vibration I was getting off the line but the vibration at RPM is getting
>worse especially above 2000 RPM. I adjusted the carrier bearing as far
>foward as I could, to engage the trans as deep as possible, but no
>better. I checked the run-out at the rear end with a dial indicator and
>it runs within .005. The slip joint seems plenty snug also. The only
>place I find any lateral movement is at the trans and it is slight. I
>remember catching the edge of a post about bad yokes but didn't pay much
>attention at the time. I will pull the drive shafts out and take them to
>a shop for balance but I am frustrated at not being able to diagnose
>this. Any ideas appreciated.
>
>Does anyone know of an inexpensive fuel pressure gage setup that will
>work on the fuel rail of this beast. I think I am getting a pressure drop
>at times and haven't found a gage setup that I can use.
>
>TIA
>
>John Fleming
>
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 13:43:04 -0800 (PST)
From: Ryan Reinke
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - gas milage

I was under the impression that the I6 manual would get 20-22! Is
that way off?



- ---Rex Bennett wrote:
>
> Greg,
>
> I have a 87 F-150 4.9L I-6 4 speed OD, I also drive mostly freeway
miles and
> get around 16 MPG.
>
> Rex
>
> >Would someone with a similar truck please respond so that I'll quit
wasting
> >my money trying to improve the gas mileage. I have a '93 F150 4.9L
I-6 5
> >speed with new plugs, cap, rotor, wires, air filter, good
compression, no
> >fault codes. I have a flat bed cover and drive mostly freeway miles
with no
> >load. I average between 14 & 15 mpg. Does this sound about right? Any
> >suggestions for improved mileage would be welcome.
> >
> >thanks,
> > Greg
>
>
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 18:26:16 EST
From: Metalsped aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - new toy

I would like to unveil my new toy to the list. I purchased a 99 F250 SD
CrewCab 4x4 v-10. It is an awesome machine, but it sucks gas like no one's
business. I still like my 460 better than the v-10 (more ballz down low)
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 19:14:53 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: FTE80-96-Overdrive light flashing

In a message dated 2/25/99 7:10:51 AM Eastern Standard Time,
MMarinak worldnet.att.net writes:


those of us who are taking notes on this one? That way, when it happens, I can
get a stronger/longer-lasting than original result. >>
Matt,
Like I said, I have the AODE/4R70W, which is the older sibling of the E4OD. I
have been following the class action suit against FOMOCO regarding that trans.
from a distance. I will tell you what I do know.
Most of the complaints have been familiar to yours, early or low mileage
failure, rough or "shuddering" upshifts, and just plain out terrible
drivability. There are at least a couple of members of this list who are
involved in this suit and could give you much more info regarding this
particular transmission. However, the 2 newer trannies are similar enough that
I think I can give you a pretty good idea of parts to look at.
Most shops hate for you to bring in you own parts as that's where they make
their gravy. BUT if you have a good repoire with your local trans. builder (I
do, thank God) and they know of your problems, they may give you a break.
Starting at the torque convertor, look for a company that has references and
can offer them to you for you to contact owners who have used their product.
If you have done any mods to your motor or rear gearing, look to bump up to a
heavier duty (RV or similar) application and possibly a slightly higher stall
(500rpm up from stock). Next would be the EPM or electronic pressure module.
They do make an adjustable unit that allows shops to tune the pressure to even
out the shifts and mostly eliminate the shudder & adjusts the clutch lockup
pressure, which in turn lets the tranny run cooler, which is good. Next is of
course a valve body recalibration kit or "shift kit." Many people think that
this is a "HIGH PERFORMANCE" option, NOT TRUE!!! Anything you can do to take
some strain off of your trans. and eliminate heat are going to make it last
much longer. They make so many different brands of kits that you will have to
pick that one on your own. Next is the Sprag/Planetary drum assembly. The
stock sprag was a very poor design from the factory. It has several weak spots
in the forming and bearing placement. I am no trans. guy by any means but I do
know machining and these things are factory crap, how they made it through
testing, I'll never know. The newer style sprags, or mechanical diodes as the
trans. guys call them, are so much stronger and the actual bearing and action
pieces are semi sealed and actually ratchet together, making engagement
positive and with little if any slipping possible. On the Planetary Drum
assembly, I upgraded to the one that holds the Heavy Duty clutch kit. The
stock size kits have 4 clutches and accompanying rings. The HD version has a
drum that holds the 8 clutches and rings the kit comes with. With the
availability of 8 clutches compared to 4, the strength and longevity factory
is kind of a given. Of course the bearings, steels, thrust washers, sealing
rings, and gaskets that accompany these kits are stronger and that makes the
whole assembly better. And lastly, take a really good look at you stock tranny
cooler. The cooler that came in my '94 F150 as par of the "towing package" is
really a piece of junk. It was originally designed to be used on the 4.0L V6
Aerostar, not on a 5.0, 5.8 or 6.8 V8. It doesn't flow as good as we would
need to compensate for the higher heat the V8 makes and it actually doesn't
let the fluid flow as quick as the tranny is pumping it. I would go to an RV
style tranny cooler. I will ask my trans. guy what he is putting back in mine
(I personally ripped the old one out when he told me it may have been part of
the cause for my tranny failure).
That is about all I can tell you. I have exhausted my complete knowledge on
these transmissions and their components. I hope I have helped. And also if
any other list members can correct any misinformation I may have, please do. I
am always looking to expand my knowledge and I like to be correct with my
information.
Later,
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
"Hazardous Material"
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 19:16:58 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - new toy

COOL! Enjoy your new truck. Let us know what little quirks or problems you may
have so we can learn from you!
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
"Hazardous Material"
Wayne's Flareside Page
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 18:02:20 -0800
From: "Josh"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Tranny cooler.

I want to install an aux trans cooler in my 90 F-250 w/ E4OD. (took out of
my 88 Bronco b4 I sold it.)

Should I cut a chunk out of my return line and install there?

Thanks
Josh
berelson gte.net
Edmonds, WA

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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 21:01:38 -0600
From: "Justen R. Noakes"
Subject: Fw: FTE 80-96 - Re: FTE80-96-Overdrive light flashing

Matt:

Besides my F-150, I also own a 94 Thunderbird with the 4R70W Tranny. The
"vibration" after 60K miles has been well documented and the only solution
(other than torque converter swap) is to change the transmission fluid every
10-20 K miles. I change the fluid in the Bird at every oil change, kind of
a hassle but it will hold me over till I'm ready to "upgrade" the t-bird's
transmission. Seems to be a common thread in Ford Auto OD transmissions.

Ford also recommends Mercon V. I recommend the Mercon V and any additive
that may increase your viscosity life.

I am also interested in a detailed tranny rebuild dialogue.

As they say, "just my $.02 worth"

Justen Noakes
'95 F150, I6, 5spd
'94 Thunderbird, 4.6, 4R70W
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From: Matt Marinak
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, February 25, 1999 6:18 AM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: FTE80-96-Overdrive light flashing


>Wayne,
>been watching from "digest land" for a while.
>I've got a 2wd E4od that's been rebuilt at 33k (under warranty). My first
Ford and I wasn't impressed with this initiation activity. The dealer told
me a cracked piston in the tranny caused the "washboard effect" when
upshifting. Apparently a common problem he said... hmmmm.... Also
recommended to change the fluid every 20-30k due to a loss in viscosity.
(First I've ever heard of a transmission wiping out due to a 33k mile loss
in viscosity.)
>
>At any rate, I've talked to Aerostar owners and other F150 owners and it
seems to be unanimous - this transmission will self destruct - it just a
matter of time.
>
>I must say I like your approach to a bullet-proofing rebuild (and the price
doesn't seem prohibitive). But if I were to go to a shop and try to get a
similar outcome, I'd be hard pressed to ask for the right things.
>
>Could you outline several of the "must have" aspects of your rebuild for
those of us who are taking notes on this one? That way, when it happens, I
can get a stronger/longer-lasting than original result.
>
>thanks,
>Matt
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 23:40:31 EST
>> From: FLR150 aol.com
>> Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - FTE80-96-Overdrive light flashing
>>
>> I have the AODE/4R70W. I know that on this tranny which was the
predecessor to
>> the E4OD, when the OD light starts to flash that means the ECM has found
a
>> definite fault and it has set the tranny circuits into default or "LIMP"
mode.
>> If you push it, it will only cause damage and overheating of the tranny.
I did
>> the exact same thing and had the same shifting characteristics you
describe
>> and right now this very minute, my truck is at the tranny shop undergoing
a
>> complete and total overhaul. And of course waiting for the da*n extended
>> warranty company to make up their blinking minds as whether to honor the
>> warranty or not. But just to let you all know.. I am doing a complete
upgrade
>> to all the "severe" duty parts ALA Art Carr's "Rough Riders" division. I
am
>> going with the complete heavy duty sprag and planetary drum set, racing
>> application rebuild kit, beefier band, 500 over stock stall 12" HD lockup
>> convertor, and valve body kit. Like I said in a previous post,
BULLETPROOF
>> TIRE SHREDDING TRANNY. I will have my truck back by Monday the 22nd,
>> regardless of the warranty company's response. I am gonna pay for it and
then
>> I'll have MAJOR grounds to stand and fight. Oh by the way...total cost
for the
>> turnkey rebuild=$1400. Includes all upgraded parts and overhaul/removal &
>> replacement.
>> Wayne Foy
>> '94 Flareside SC
>> "Hazardous Material"
>> Wayne's Flareside
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 00:44:00 -0500
From: Randy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - new toy

Dan Rather mentioned in a report tonite about the new Ford Excursion
that "It uses enough gasoline to make Saddam Hussein smile". Quote was
paraphrased, but kinda liked that one. He was quoting some consumer
group or company.

Later,
Brew

Metalsped aol.com wrote:
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but it sucks gas like no one's business.

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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 22:32:20 -0800
From: Erston Reisch
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 300ci/4.9l mileage (was: gas milage)

Greg,

My truck is slightly different than your setup, but I figured I'd toss it in
for comparison:

1990 F-150 Std Cab, Short Bed, 300ci I6 (4.9l), E4OD auto/OD tranny, 2WD, 3.55
diff, new cap, rotor, wires, plugs, battery, belt, filters, etc. I have 59k
miles on it (which I think is correct) and I don't have anything covering the
bed. On my last fillup, I was excited by 16.0 mpg, and usually get 14.5 mpg
to 15.5 mpg, mostly gentle city driving and freeway (60-65mph).

As far as mpg improvements, the only thing I can think of would be far too
much work/expense to justify the improvement: axle swap to a higher gearing
(lower ratio) than what you're currently running.. and since unleaded can be....

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