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In this issue:

Re: Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Regarding "Interceptor" for E4OD trans..and AODE
FTE 80-96 - Timing Cover Done
FTE 80-96 - Oilpan Removal For I-6
FTE 80-96 - Re: Timing cover still a problem
FTE 80-96 - Throw-Out Bearing Diagram
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Timing cover still a problem
FTE 80-96 - Leaving for a while.
FTE 80-96 - Trim code
Re: FTE 80-96 - Leaving for a while.
RE: FTE 80-96 - ABS light
Re: FTE 80-96 - '93Aerostar
Re: FTE 80-96 - '93Aerostar
Re: Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Regarding "Interceptor" for E4OD trans..and AODE
FTE 80-96 - 88 F-350 for sale
Re: FTE 80-96 - Leaving for a while.
FTE 80-96 - gas milage
FTE 80-96 - FTE80-96-Overdrive light flashing
Re: Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Regarding "Interceptor" for E4OD trans..and AODE
Re: FTE 80-96 - FTE80-96-Overdrive light flashing

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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 07:05:00 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Regarding "Interceptor" for E4OD trans..and AODE

Darrin,
I was hauling a large load of plywood (about 50 sheets) and while going up and
incline, the tranny slipped one time and then caught, so I kept right on
going. I didn't have any other problems out of the tranny at all until about 4
days after that. I was on my way home and I stopped to have dinner out with my
family. After dinner we were heading home and I lost all forward gears. It
just shut down. I barely had reverse to get it all the way off the road.
According to the tranny shop, the pump stator shaft broke and lodged itself in
the torque convertor, there by destroying said convertor and the planetary
drum and sprag just shredded. I have checked with several sources and the
sprag and drum issue are the ones I was talking about in my previous post.
Those parts start to go and cause the tranny to overheat. Once it overheats
once, it will again, and all the parts get weaker and weaker until something
breaks.
One more warning, BEWARE of extended warranty companies. I am getting the
proverbial shaft from the one I bought with my truck. They are trying to say
that the cant honor my warranty because of an ignition box (MSD 6AL) and a K
and N. Filtercharger kit. Do you guys know if those would cause undo strain on
the tranny (HEAVILY DRIPPING STUPIDITY AND SARCASM)? I am in the process of
getting a lawyer to read over the warranty papers and give these guys the
shaft back...
I'll keep you all informed
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
"Hazardous Material"
Wayne's Flareside Page
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 08:06:20 -0600
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Timing Cover Done

Well Guys,
I got my oilpan off and got the new gaskets on it last night.
I went ahead and ran it for a while and appears to be okay.
So I drove it to work today, and hopefully my saga of the
timing gear cover is FINALLY over.

- --
Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Terrains
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale or back to the leasing dealer in March
:-) :-))


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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 08:41:48 -0600
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Oilpan Removal For I-6

Guys,
Thought I would let you all know how I got the oilpan
out last night my '83 Bronco I-6.

1. Drain oil :-)
2. Take off the starter.
3. Take off or unbolt fan shroud
4. Take engine mount nut off each side
5. With a 4x4 piece of wood on your jack raise the engine.
Get a 2x4 piece of wood under each engine mount. Lower
the jack so the engine mounts rest on the 2x4 pieces.
6. Next get the jack under the crankshaft(still with a 4x4 on it)
and have one person raise it a little at a time until you can pull
the oilpan out from the rear. Then lower the crankshaft back
down.
7. Putting it back together is the reverse. :-)

Note: The engine mount bolts may be a pain in the ass to get back
in. So `you may want to tell your nieghbors ahead of time
as to what you are doing. So's they can shut they're windows.

Well this is the way I did it last night. Any comments please feel
free. Hope this helps someone.
- --
Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Terrains
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale or back to the leasing dealer in March
:-) :-))


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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 07:03:13 -0900
From: "L WALTERS"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Timing cover still a problem

Rick, Don't put RTV on both sides of any gasket, I have found that it will
let the gasket squish around and move when you tighten down on it. Use
contact adhesive on the piece that is removed to "glue" the gasket in place
and seal at the same time. Then just before assembly put your RTV on it.
Cork should not have any kind of sealant on it when installing new, It does
last longer dry. But, when you have to re-use and old one, something is
better than nothing.
Hope I can help, I'm 300 fan myself!
Bart-AK

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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 10:24:51 -0600
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Throw-Out Bearing Diagram

Guys,
A buddy of mine is putting back together his transmission.
He didn't pay attention to the orientation and placement of
the throw-out bearing on the clutch fork. I told him the way
I thought it went from doing mine, but I am not 100% sure.
Does anyone have a diagram they can fax me as to how the
throw-out bearing sits on the fork ? I left my Haynes on the
workbench after doing the oilpan last night.

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Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Terrains
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale or back to the leasing dealer in March
:-) :-))


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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 10:30:02 -0600
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Timing cover still a problem

L WALTERS wrote:

> Rick, Don't put RTV on both sides of any gasket, I have found that it will
> let the gasket squish around and move when you tighten down on it. Use
> contact adhesive on the piece that is removed to "glue" the gasket in place
> and seal at the same time. Then just before assembly put your RTV on it.

Bart,
Thanks again for the info. I ended up putting the RTV on all along the
oilpan side only. Then I let it get tacky and put the 4-piece gasket set
on and let that stand for another few minutes. Then installed the pan
without any RTV on the top side. As you will see in a post I sent
earlier today, I did get it done last night, and so far so good. I'll
thoroughly check it at home when I get it home after work.

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Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Terrains
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale or back to the leasing dealer in March :-) :-))


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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 14:18:08 -0500
From: "Michael J. Pasznik, Jr."
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Leaving for a while.

Hey all,

Something completely unrelated to trucks, but as all-American as a Ford,
I'm off to start my own company. Consequently my current work e-mail
account will be going away on Friday. I'll be off the list for a while, but
will be back in digest form from mjp exit109.com. Same great username, same
dumb questions. :-)

- -Mike


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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 13:27:37 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Trim code

I got this from my dad, its a white 89 F250 (HD?) 4x4 with the 5.8 and an
auto ... didn't know if it might help someone or not.... also maybe you
guys can help answer some of the questions he has ... (reg. cab, long bed,
dual tanks)

I know someone had asked about a ruby red interior, he says his is more of
a blood red, but sounds to me like you guys'd be splitting hairs for which
color is which.

>I checked my door sticker.
>The only code that looks like it has to do with trim is in a box labeled
"BODY". The value in that box on my truck is LD4. That Haynes book I have
says that box contains the interior trim, seat and body/cab type. So does
the first digit indicate the interior color ? Hard to tell from this
description.
>Anyway my truck was assembled in 01/89.
>The Gross Vehicle Weight Rating is 8600/3900 lbs./kg.
>The tires are LT235/85R16E. Front pressure cold - 44 psi,rear - 80 psi.
>The wheels are 16 X 6K. (whatever the K means)
>Wheelbase is 133".
>Model code and GVW - F268
>VIN - 1FTHF26H4KKA##### (the H is the engine code - 5.8L)
>Exterior paint color - 9M
>Transmission code - K
>Axle code - 35
>Tape (external body type stripe code) - 1 (mine has a red pin stripe)
>Spring - 53F

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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 13:52:20 -0600
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Leaving for a while.

Michael J. Pasznik, Jr. wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> Something completely unrelated to trucks, but as all-American as a Ford,
> I'm off to start my own company. Consequently my current work e-mail
> account will be going away on Friday. I'll be off the list for a while, but
> will be back in digest form from mjp exit109.com. Same great username, same
> dumb questions. :-)

Good luck with it Mike. Need any help ? :-)

- --
Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Terrains
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale or back to the leasing dealer in March :-) :-))


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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 15:34:24 -0700
From: "Giddens, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - ABS light

Jeff,

I would have guessed it was the remote starter also. Only because I have a
friend who has the same problem. The manufacturer of the remote starter was
Design Tech and they have a notice about this.

It could also be caused from the installation of the remote starter. The
ABS/SRS power line, ACC3, is one of the wires the remote starter could be
tied into by accident. The light comes on when there is no power on the ACC3
wire. If the remote starter was tied into this wire it would cause the light
to come on at times. It is a gray wire with a yellow strip. In '96 there
were 3 of these wires, ACC1, ACC2, and ACC3 which is the ABS/SRS wire for
some reason. The 1 and 2 ACC wire are 8 ga. And the ABS/SRS is 12 ga. (much
smaller) ACC1 is the general accessory wire and ACC2 is for the blower motor
which Ford had to add in '95 due to the excessive load on the ACC line when
the blower was at full speed.


BTW,
I had to add an additional relay for the ACC2 wire with the power coming
from the battery due to the remote starter unable to handle the load of the
blower motor and it would cause the remote starter's output transistor to
burn up. It was never designed to handle anything over 20 amps.

Good luck, hope this helps a little,

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From:Jeff Fairbairn [SMTP:jfairbairn cyberus.ca]
Sent:Tuesday, February 23, 1999 5:14 PM
To:80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject:FTE 80-96 - ABS light

From time to time the ABS light on may '96 F-150 4x4
(111000km's/65000 miles
iguess) will come on then go back out again after a couple of
minutes or it
will go out sometimes when I turn the truck off/on. Sometimes the
Air bag
light will come on also with the ABS light. First I thought it might
because
of the remote starter(installed this summer) but it does sometimes
when I
start it regularly. My next guess is the brakes (replaced about
50,000 km's
ago)? Does the brake idea seem right to anyone? I would check them
out but
it has been -25c since Friday night and it is too cold to be outside
playing
around.

Thanks,
Jeff
Wakefield quebec
Canada
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 23:38:05 -0000
From: "Eric Hansen"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - '93Aerostar

Dear Jim & list:
Sorry, My fault, I forgot to clarify when first posting that this is not a code-message-type situation. This is the light coming on and staying on, but only on cross-the-country trips. So it comes on for a couple of miles, goes out for a few more, etc. I have had the coded message experience also so I know whereof you speak, when we first bought the car we had one of those things happen. This began around 50,000 miles on the vehicle, and I've been talking to Aerostar owners and many of them have had the same experience. When I learned that the engine light comes on based on emissions I realized I did not have to panic. But still..!?!...... Thanks for the input so far, anxiously awaiting your reply,
Eric Hansen, Kansas City
93 Aerostar
83 Volvo 240
81 Corolla
and when all else fails, several bicycles around the house.

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On Tue, 23 Feb 1999 21:43:45 Jim Cannon wrote:
>Oxygen sensor should not cost $400.
>Get someone to read the codes as soon after the engine light comes on as
>you can and address what is says is out of range. That is better than trial
>and error part replacement (which you will resort to anyway when the codes
>don't make any sense).
>
>At 00:50 24/02/99 -0000, you wrote:
>>1993 Aerostar short body 3L V-6 has occasional engine light coming on, but
>only on long hauls. A fog bank on rainy driving seem to help it come on. No
>other problem like overheating, etc. etc. So the conclusion has been that
>this is an emmissions control problem. One guy said it needs a new
>oxy-probe at $400. Another said it is probably the temp sensor which works
>in concert with the oxy-probe and is notorious for going bad. $12. I like
>the sound of the $12 route. Anyone have experience with this?
>
>Jim Cannon
>Houston, TX
>'29 Ford Model A Phaeton
>'63 Buick Riviera
>'80 Ford F-150
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 23:48:18 -0000
From: "Eric Hansen"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - '93Aerostar

Dear Rad:
Maybe that guy was smoking something different.....
I really don't have a good Ford mechanic available here. Anyway, the light comes on and stays on, but only on a very long trip. The Ford dealer lets kids earning minimum wage experiment on your vehicle, often breaking things as they go along. I don't have a lot of patience and can only assume they have some kind of management problem. But they do have good mechanics there also, so it's unfortunate. A foreman checks in on the job, and then you have to leave the premises. But I've come back in anyway and gotten a bad impression of what i've seen.
So basically I'm trying to figure this out on my own. Maybe I will take it out of town to another shop. I live in a smaller community outside of Kansas City, which is Ford Country, so maybe I will find a better mechanic. Thanks!
- -ERIC
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On Tue, 23 Feb 1999 22:16:39 Radoje Spasojevic wrote:
>$400 for an O2 sensor ?!?!?!?
>They must be smoking ALOT of crack. The O2 sensor is threaded into the
>exhuast manifold and looks like a spark plug with wires coming out the back.
>I replaced the one in my Bronco for $80 and it took five minutes including
>the time I spent looking for the wrench. The O2 sensor is a very important
>part of the EFI system so if it is bad your engine will run very poorly.
>Did the mechanic pull the computer codes to determine this? Did he test the
>sensor? If not he is very simply guessing and I would find a new mechanic.
>
>Rade
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Eric Hansen
>To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
>Date: Wednesday, February 24, 1999 12:52 AM
>Subject: FTE 80-96 - '93Aerostar
>
>
>>1993 Aerostar short body 3L V-6 has occasional engine light coming on, but
>only on long hauls. A fog bank on rainy driving seem to help it come on. No
>other problem like overheating, etc. etc. So the conclusion has been that
>this is an emmissions control problem. One guy said it needs a new oxy-probe
>at $400. Another said it is probably the temp sensor which works in concert
>with the oxy-probe and is notorious for going bad. $12. I like the sound of
>the $12 route. Anyone have experience with this?
>>Eric Hansen, Kansas City
>>
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 19:02:41 EST
From: Bakend aol.com
Subject: Re: Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Regarding "Interceptor" for E4OD trans..and AODE

In a message dated 2/24/99 5:11:14 AM Mountain Standard Time, FLR150 aol.com
writes:

> I am in the process of
> getting a lawyer to read over the warranty papers and give these guys the
> shaft back...
Having to hire a lawyer just to get what you paid for is hardly what I would
call shafting them!----------------- Sue the buggers!!! I wish you could get
the cost of the lawyer from them as well!!
D Baken
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 16:54:04 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael Shepler
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 88 F-350 for sale

I am down sizing my small fleet of F-350s. I have an 88 F-350 with
124k. I believe the crank bearings are bad but motor runs very
smoothly. I have a quality commercial parking lot sweeping unit on
the back that can be removed for the truck purchase, or, if you wish
add $ 3,000 to the truck price. If you are interested in starting a
parking lot sweeping business, I will include lots of consultation
and help. Price for the truck alone is $ 4,000. Contact me a
m_hep yahoo.com .




_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?

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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 19:52:42 -0600
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Leaving for a while.

Good Luck, Mike!!!

At 14:18 24/02/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Hey all,
>
> Something completely unrelated to trucks, but as all-American as a Ford,
>I'm off to start my own company. Consequently my current work e-mail
>account will be going away on Friday. I'll be off the list for a while, but
>will be back in digest form from mjp exit109.com. Same great username, same
>dumb questions. :-)
>
>-Mike

Jim Cannon
Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton
'63 Buick Riviera
'80 Ford F-150
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 19:00:16 -0800
From: "Greg Lyon"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - gas milage

Hi Guys,

Would someone with a similar truck please respond so that I'll quit wasting
my money trying to improve the gas mileage. I have a '93 F150 4.9L I-6 5
speed with new plugs, cap, rotor, wires, air filter, good compression, no
fault codes. I have a flat bed cover and drive mostly freeway miles with no
load. I average between 14 & 15 mpg. Does this sound about right? Any
suggestions for improved mileage would be welcome.

thanks,
Greg

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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 20:18:06 -0800
From: "Larsell"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - FTE80-96-Overdrive light flashing

I'm having a problem with my 93 F350 crewcab deisel that I was hoping
to figure out.
The transmission, E4OD I think, works fine most the time except occasionally
the OD on off button starts to flash on and off, when this is flashing the
tranny shifts
really hard and erratic.
This last for about a day and then it works fine for a week or more. It
seems to happen
after heavy rain.
The Ford dealer told me it is probably the MLP sensor, which cost about 50+
bucks.
I was thinking of putting this in myself to avoid all of the troubleshooting
cost involved
with going through the dealer.
Is the MLP sensor located on the passenger side of the tranny?
Any similar experiences out there.

Terry



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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 23:25:57 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Regarding "Interceptor" for E4OD trans..and AODE

Well, let me clarify, I KNOW a lawyer who will probably take this up for free
since I have repaired a BUNCH of stuff on his house for near nothing prices.
You know..bartering does still exist in this country and it works. Besides,
here in Georgia, if you sue them and the reason you are suing is due to their
fault or negligence, 90% of the time the judge will make them pay restitution
AND court costs (which includes legal fees)!
Again, I'll keep all of you informed,
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
"Hazardous Material"
Wayne's Flareside Page

In a message dated 2/24/99 7:13:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, Bakend aol.com
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would
call shafting them!----------------- Sue the buggers!!! I wish you could get
the cost of the lawyer from them as well!!
D Baken >>
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 23:40:31 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - FTE80-96-Overdrive light flashing

I have the AODE/4R70W. I know that on this tranny which was the predecessor to
the E4OD, when the OD light starts to flash that means the ECM has found a
definite fault and it has set the tranny circuits into default or "LIMP" mode.
If you push it, it will only cause damage and overheating of the tranny. I did
the exact same thing and had the same shifting characteristics you describe
and right now this very minute, my truck is at the tranny shop undergoing a
complete and total overhaul. And of course waiting for the da*n extended
warranty company to make up their blinking minds as whether to honor the
warranty or not. But just to let you all know.. I am doing a complete upgrade
to all the "severe" duty parts ALA Art Carr's "Rough Riders" division. I am
going with the complete heavy duty sprag and planetary drum set, racing....


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