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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - 95 F-150 clunks
FTE 80-96 - Re: F150 clunks
Re: FTE 80-96 - New Tailpipes
Re: FTE 80-96 - Timing Cover still a Problem :-(
FTE 80-96 - Re:Timing Cover still a Problem :-(
FTE 80-96 - RE: Interceptor for E4OD
FTE 80-96 - Saying
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re:Timing Cover still a Problem :-(
FTE 80-96 - Re: Timing cover still a problem
Re: FTE 80-96 - need some advice
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Timing cover still a problem
FTE 80-96 - Re:Timing Cover still a Problem :-(
RE: FTE 80-96 - Re:Timing Cover still a Problem :-(
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Regarding "Interceptor" for E4OD trans.. and AODE
FTE 80-96 - 4180C Holley carb choke
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: F150 clunks
FTE 80-96 - Someone w/access to FORD Part No.'s
FTE 80-96 - ABS light
FTE 80-96 - '93Aerostar
FTE 80-96 - Sorta off list but...
FTE 80-96 - wiring harness info.
Re: FTE 80-96 - 4180C Holley carb choke
Re: FTE 80-96 - '93Aerostar
Re: FTE 80-96 - wiring harness info.
Re: FTE 80-96 - '93Aerostar
Re: FTE 80-96 - 4180C Holley carb choke

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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 04:16:33 PST
From: "Jim Kudulis"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 95 F-150 clunks

Double check the shock mounts while your under there.
Jim


On Tue, 23 Feb 1999 02:59:46 -0500, Philip Thomason wrote:

> I hope someone can give me some helpful advice. I bought a used '95
F-150
> 4x4, 302, and E4OD (I believe). Anyways, when I'm turning corners, and
the
> weight of the vehicle shifts (no cargo) there's a definite clunk from the
> front end. It seems to happen primarily on sharper turns.
>
> I've been pointed towards the right side suspension arm bushing, but
> visual inspection (it's damn cold out there!) and comparison to the left
> side doesn't show anything unusual. I did note that one of the bolts
> holding that bracket to the frame is a tiny, tiny bit loose, (maybe a
> feeler gauge, but no more) but I figure there's at least three other's on
> there to stop it moving. I will be trying to get under there and tighten
> it anyways, when it gets a little warmer...
>
> A few folks at work got themselves "little" 4x4's, so I'm wondering
about
> somewhere good to take 'em in the spring... I live just outside Ottawa,
> Ontario. Eastern Ontario... Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks in advance.
> Phil
>
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 08:20:00 -0500
From: Matt Marinak
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: F150 clunks

I have a 95 2wd f150 (302 e40d) and the drivers side radial arm bushing wore very rapidly to
the point it would "pop" up-and-down or side-to-side. Tough to observe from the drivers seat,
but I could hear it. The bushing actually appeared to shred the outer rubber coating around
the apparently-"hard plastic" inner bushing. I have 49k on the truck and had the bushings
replaced once and tightened/adjusted (underwarranty) twice. My bracket connecting the
assembly to the frame appears to be tight (as opposed to an earlier posting regarding
drill-outs and new bolts)

2 quick questions as I reply to this one:
1) has anyone ran into good aftermarket radial arm bushings that last a little while (more
than 30k). My alignment starts to go, ( I presume as the bushings wear), then it'll be time
to replace them. I "shop for bushings" as I walk through parking lots and see some
orange-urethane looking ones than may last a while. helpful hints gang?

2) has anyone purchased the personalized $25 Alldata CD for their vehicle? I understand the
professional ones (for many vehicles) are expensive and crammed full of good information.

thanks
Matt



>
>
> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 02:59:46 -0500
> From: Philip Thomason
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - 95 F-150 clunks
>
> I hope someone can give me some helpful advice. I bought a used '95 F-150
> 4x4, 302, and E4OD (I believe). Anyways, when I'm turning corners, and the
> weight of the vehicle shifts (no cargo) there's a definite clunk from the
> front end. It seems to happen primarily on sharper turns.
>
> I've been pointed towards the right side suspension arm bushing, but
> visual inspection (it's damn cold out there!) and comparison to the left
> side doesn't show anything unusual. I did note that one of the bolts
> holding that bracket to the frame is a tiny, tiny bit loose, (maybe a
> feeler gauge, but no more) but I figure there's at least three other's on
> there to stop it moving. I will be trying to get under there and tighten
> it anyways, when it gets a little warmer...
>
> A few folks at work got themselves "little" 4x4's, so I'm wondering about
> somewhere good to take 'em in the spring... I live just outside Ottawa,
> Ontario. Eastern Ontario... Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks in advance.
> Phil
>
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 07:39:34 -0600
From: "Rex Bennett"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - New Tailpipes

I remember reading in a Ford brochure that the exhaust were moved behind the
rear wheel because of a problem with the exhaust putting moisture on the
rear wheel in some cold weather situations. We have two of the new body
style F-150's at work, both 97's and they have the exhaust in front of the
rear wheel so they were moved sometime after that.

> Anyone know why the new F-150's have their tailpipes once again
>dumping Behind the rear wheel like they always had; until the redesigned
>F-150 came out a few years ago when they started to dump the exhaust in
>Front of the rear wheel. I'm just curious. Walt


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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 08:21:34 -0600
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Timing Cover still a Problem :-(

Jim Cannon wrote:

> Rick-
> Sorry to hear it! I know the process you went through (because I did it
> about 15 months ago myself) and it's a drag that it still leaks.
>
> I have not pulled my pan (yet) so have no personal experience to share.
> I'll look it up in my factory shop manual, if you want, and pass on any
> pointers they offer.


Thanx Jim. If ya get a chance I am going to do it tonight.

- --
Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Terrains
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale or back to the leasing dealer in March :-)
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 07:19:45 PST
From: "Steve Likness"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re:Timing Cover still a Problem :-(

Rick,

Make sure you put some RTV in the corners where the rubber and cork
meet. When I tore down my I6, the corners had a substantial amount of
gasket sealer in the corners. Also, Summit Racing sells a one piece
unit that does not require any additional gasket goop (at least that's
what they say). I'm going to try one in my new 351W.

Steve



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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 08:21:34 -0600
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Timing Cover still a Problem :-(
Reply-To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com

Jim Cannon wrote:

> Rick-
> Sorry to hear it! I know the process you went through (because I did
it
> about 15 months ago myself) and it's a drag that it still leaks.
>
> I have not pulled my pan (yet) so have no personal experience to
share.
> I'll look it up in my factory shop manual, if you want, and pass on
any
> pointers they offer.


Thanx Jim. If ya get a chance I am going to do it tonight.

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Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Terrains
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale or back to the leasing dealer in March
:-)
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 09:21:59 -0600
From: "Dave Harmier"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: Interceptor for E4OD

Here is what mine does: A sloppy but well spaced 1-2, under the very
lightest throttle a decently spaced 2-3, several seconds later TC lock,
under hard acceleration (often towing 3000#) the 2-3 and TC lock are
together dropping approx 1300 RPM all at once...WAY out of the torque range
of my little 5.0 (which peak torques at about 2700 RPM (I can't bear to
wrap my 180k poor little motor to 4000 plus!)

I hope to hear the the interceptor makes the 1-2 shift crisply, and delays
TC lock for a while....waitng to hear!!!

Dave H.
92 F-150
Houston, TX
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 09:35:41 -0600
From: Roger Lane
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Saying

Original Message:
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 10:41:20 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: Horsepower/torque etc.

>>There's no replacement for displacement.
>
>The actual quote is "There's no substitute for cubes!" I wish I knew who
>said it!!!
>
That may be, but it just didn't sound right to me ... no rhyme or anything
...



I think it was Smokey Yunick.

Roger Lane
Test/Support Analyst
(402)241-3570
Roger.Lane IBPINC.COM

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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 10:38:27 -0600
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re:Timing Cover still a Problem :-(

Steve Likness wrote:

> Rick,
>
> Make sure you put some RTV in the corners where the rubber and cork
> meet. When I tore down my I6, the corners had a substantial amount of
> gasket sealer in the corners. Also, Summit Racing sells a one piece
> unit that does not require any additional gasket goop (at least that's
> what they say). I'm going to try one in my new 351W.

Thanks Steve,
Since I already bought the gaskets a couple weeks ago I will
go ahead and use them and cross my fingers. Ummmmm, if that
for some reason doesn't work then I will definately look into
the one piece. One question even though you havn't done it.
Does the procedure in your manual say you have to take the
engine mount bolts out all the way. Do you think it may be do
able by just loosening them a bit and then raising the front of the
engine under the crankshaft pulley using a wooden block under
the jack or would that put too much stress on the tail? Also,
just FYI, my Dad's '81 Bronco has a timing chain and not gears
on his I-6. Not sure if you knew that or not but thought I would
let you know the I-6's are not all timing gears. Thanks again
for any info or advise.

- --
Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Terrains
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale or back to the leasing dealer in March :-)
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 07:58:21 -0900
From: "L WALTERS"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Timing cover still a problem

Rick, I think your right about changing oilpan gasket, it is hit and miss on
timing cover gasket r&r without doing oilpan also. However, when you
purchase the new oilpan gasket get on for the newer 4.9's they are a one
piece design and much easier to deal with. BUT, if your pan has the raised
holes you will have to grind them off. trust me it is easier than it sounds.
Bart-AK
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problem is that rubber seal needs to be compressed I guess I didnt get
it compressed enough and keep it in position at the same time. I
loosened some of the oilpan bolts to drop the oilpan a little so I could
draw it back up tight but like I said it mustv moved on me. Well, I
guess my next step is to just drop the oilpan replace the cork and
rubber seal and get that rubber seal to compress that way. Any tips and
tricks of the trade on dropping the oilpan or other alternatives would
be welcomed. kinda frustrated in Dixieland. :-( , but


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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 11:14:01 -0600
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - need some advice

Philip Donk wrote:

> I own a 1995 F150 XL 5 speed 4 wheel drive and I'm trying to install a
> new vinyl floor covering, but I can't figure out how to remove the shift
> boots from my 5 speed shifter or my four wheel drive shifter. If some
> one could help me I would really appreciate it.

Philip,
There should be a metal rectangular trim plate held down
with 4 or 6 screws. Might be hard to see until you lift the
boot to see underneath it. You may also have to pull up any
carpetting which could be hiding the trim plate if someone
attached it under the carpet/vinyl.
This is the way both xfer-case shifter and tranny shifter is
On my '83 Bronco. Hope this helps ya.

- --
Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Terrains
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale or back to the leasing dealer in March :-)
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 11:57:33 -0600
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Timing cover still a problem

L WALTERS wrote:

> Rick, I think your right about changing oilpan gasket, it is hit and miss on
> timing cover gasket r&r without doing oilpan also. However, when you
> purchase the new oilpan gasket get on for the newer 4.9's they are a one
> piece design and much easier to deal with. BUT, if your pan has the raised
> holes you will have to grind them off. trust me it is easier than it sounds.
> Bart-AK

Thanks Bart. I already purchased the three piece a couple
weeks ago. Two cork pieces and one rubber piece, so I will
go ahead and use what I have this time. Just to double check
with you guys. I do put RTV on both sides of the cork gaskets
right ? Also, do I use any RTV at all on the rubber gasket
that goes under the timing gear cover ?
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Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Terrains
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale or back to the leasing dealer in March :-) :-))


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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 11:59:34 PST
From: "Steve Likness"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re:Timing Cover still a Problem :-(

Rick,

My Chilton's shows lifting the engine and placing wood blocks underneath
the motor mounts. I would hesitate to lift off the crank shaft pulley
since you would probably put a little more pressure on your crank seal
and timing cover than what you really want. The recommended way to lift
the engine is from above. I raised mine by the exhaust headers. There
is a lot of give on the tail of your tranny, although you may want to
loosen the tranny mount a little also. I'm not sure where to jack from
below, but that could be a real delicate issue.

Good luck,

Steve


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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 10:38:27 -0600
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re:Timing Cover still a Problem :-(
Reply-To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com

Steve Likness wrote:

> Rick,
>
> Make sure you put some RTV in the corners where the rubber and cork
> meet. When I tore down my I6, the corners had a substantial amount of
> gasket sealer in the corners. Also, Summit Racing sells a one piece
> unit that does not require any additional gasket goop (at least that's
> what they say). I'm going to try one in my new 351W.

Thanks Steve,
Since I already bought the gaskets a couple weeks ago I will
go ahead and use them and cross my fingers. Ummmmm, if that
for some reason doesn't work then I will definately look into
the one piece. One question even though you havn't done it.
Does the procedure in your manual say you have to take the
engine mount bolts out all the way. Do you think it may be do
able by just loosening them a bit and then raising the front of the
engine under the crankshaft pulley using a wooden block under
the jack or would that put too much stress on the tail? Also,
just FYI, my Dad's '81 Bronco has a timing chain and not gears
on his I-6. Not sure if you knew that or not but thought I would
let you know the I-6's are not all timing gears. Thanks again
for any info or advise.

- --
Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Terrains
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale or back to the leasing dealer in March
:-)
:-))


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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 13:25:56 -0700
From: "Brian Soderblom"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Re:Timing Cover still a Problem :-(

> My Chilton's shows lifting the engine and placing wood blocks underneath
> the motor mounts. I would hesitate to lift off the crank shaft pulley
> since you would probably put a little more pressure on your crank seal
> and timing cover than what you really want. The recommended way to lift
> the engine is from above. I raised mine by the exhaust headers. There
> is a lot of give on the tail of your tranny, although you may want to
> loosen the tranny mount a little also. I'm not sure where to jack from
> below, but that could be a real delicate issue.

According to my chiltons, and the way I did it, was to place a block on the
jack and lift on the oil pan. This is on a 351W.

Brian

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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 14:25:00 -0600
From: "Gourde, Darrin"
Subject: Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Regarding "Interceptor" for E4OD trans.. and AODE

Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 20:16:08 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Regarding "Interceptor" for E4OD trans..and AODE
owners warn....

Dave,
I personally haven't gotten one as I have found that I have the AODE
(read:P.O.S., and currently in the tranny shop getting rebuilt and reborn as

a
tire shredding, truck propelling slushbox!) But I do have a friend whom I
told


Wayne,

I thought you just had your transmission rebuilt and you put in a Precision
torque converter. What caused the rebuilt one to go out so quick.

Darrin
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 15:14:13 -0600
From: Roy Houston
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 4180C Holley carb choke

Got a '85 F-150 w/351W H.O. engine w/4V carb (Holley 4180C). Having trouble
getting the choke to release. Checked voltage at heater element and it's
only 1 VDC. Is this right? Any body got one they can check the signal on
and possibly the resistance of the heating element itself? I traced the
choke heater element back to a relay on the firewall and then I stopped
chasing it from there on. If this signal is correct then I'm thinking I
have a thermally activated vacuum port problem. Any suggestions??

Roy
Roy Houston
85 F-150 SuperCab 351W
houston1 _at_ slb _dot_ com
houzoodad _at_ aol _dot_ com
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 14:51:14 -0900
From: "Ben Everitt"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: F150 clunks

In regards to the orange or red bushing that you were talking about, I
believe these are the Rancho bushing package that they sell. I only know on
one gentleman who has them and he hasn't had any trouble with bushing wear
yet. I am in Alaska, premature bushing wear happens here a lot because of
the cold temps.

On the subject of the ALL DATA CD's, I own on for my Ford f-150 4x4 and
the full thirty dollars that you end up paying for the thing is well worth
it. The only two complaints that I have are:

1. The CD only comes with half of the manuals, you need to call in w/a
credit card and pay the extra $10 to get the rest unlocked. It is worth the
extra money though.
2. The Diagrams are really nice, but they were scanned in and do not show
as much detail as I would like them too. Never-the-less they have been much
better that any exploded diagram that I have seen in either one of the
aftermarket books.

PS- make sure you grab the right CD's for your vehicle and pay attention to
the year(s).

Ben
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From: Matt Marinak
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, February 23, 1999 4:25 AM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: F150 clunks


>I have a 95 2wd f150 (302 e40d) and the drivers side radial arm bushing
wore very rapidly to
>the point it would "pop" up-and-down or side-to-side. Tough to observe from
the drivers seat,
>but I could hear it. The bushing actually appeared to shred the outer
rubber coating around
>the apparently-"hard plastic" inner bushing. I have 49k on the truck and
had the bushings
>replaced once and tightened/adjusted (underwarranty) twice. My bracket
connecting the
>assembly to the frame appears to be tight (as opposed to an earlier posting
regarding
>drill-outs and new bolts)
>
>2 quick questions as I reply to this one:
>1) has anyone ran into good aftermarket radial arm bushings that last a
little while (more
>than 30k). My alignment starts to go, ( I presume as the bushings wear),
then it'll be time
>to replace them. I "shop for bushings" as I walk through parking lots and
see some
>orange-urethane looking ones than may last a while. helpful hints gang?
>
>2) has anyone purchased the personalized $25 Alldata CD for their vehicle?
I understand the
>professional ones (for many vehicles) are expensive and crammed full of
good information.
>
>thanks
>Matt
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 02:59:46 -0500
>> From: Philip Thomason
>> Subject: FTE 80-96 - 95 F-150 clunks
>>
>> I hope someone can give me some helpful advice. I bought a used
'95 F-150
>> 4x4, 302, and E4OD (I believe). Anyways, when I'm turning corners, and
the
>> weight of the vehicle shifts (no cargo) there's a definite clunk from the
>> front end. It seems to happen primarily on sharper turns.
>>
>> I've been pointed towards the right side suspension arm bushing,
but
>> visual inspection (it's damn cold out there!) and comparison to the left
>> side doesn't show anything unusual. I did note that one of the bolts
>> holding that bracket to the frame is a tiny, tiny bit loose, (maybe a
>> feeler gauge, but no more) but I figure there's at least three other's on
>> there to stop it moving. I will be trying to get under there and tighten
>> it anyways, when it gets a little warmer...
>>
>> A few folks at work got themselves "little" 4x4's, so I'm
wondering about
>> somewhere good to take 'em in the spring... I live just outside Ottawa,
>> Ontario. Eastern Ontario... Any suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>> Phil
>>
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 15:51:57 -0800
From: "Posluszny, Walt (POSL)"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Someone w/access to FORD Part No.'s

I'm hopping that someone can help me. To try to make a long
story short...

As per TSB 87-22-18 (Thanks Mike Baker) I will be replacing
the slip yoke on my rig.

The TSB said Part No. E4TZ-4841-G, my buddy in FORD parts
said that number was superceded by E4TZ-4841-BB which is the part I now
have. The dealership he works at is still on microfiche so he could not
verify that this part was an upgraded nickel unit as mentioned in the TSB,
and I'm not a metallurgist so I can't tell. Can someone please help me
confirm that this part is indeed the correct part before I put it on. The
new slip yoke is suppose to have a higher nickel content [nickel plated
splines] to allow for smooth movement. Read that : NO CLUNK, GRIND,
GRUNT,BANG, CURSE!

Info : 1985 F-150, 4x4, 351-2V, long-bed, reg. cab. 4-spd
manual, I think TOD.

Thanks much. Walt
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 19:13:56 -0500
From: "Jeff Fairbairn"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ABS light

>From time to time the ABS light on may '96 F-150 4x4 (111000km's/65000 miles
iguess) will come on then go back out again after a couple of minutes or it
will go out sometimes when I turn the truck off/on. Sometimes the Air bag
light will come on also with the ABS light. First I thought it might because
of the remote starter(installed this summer) but it does sometimes when I
start it regularly. My next guess is the brakes (replaced about 50,000 km's
ago)? Does the brake idea seem right to anyone? I would check them out but
it has been -25c since Friday night and it is too cold to be outside playing
around.

Thanks,
Jeff
Wakefield quebec
Canada

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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 00:50:34 -0000
From: "Eric Hansen"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - '93Aerostar

1993 Aerostar short body 3L V-6 has occasional engine light coming on, but only on long hauls. A fog bank on rainy driving seem to help it come on. No other problem like overheating, etc. etc. So the conclusion has been that this is an emmissions control problem. One guy said it needs a new oxy-probe at $400. Another said it is probably the temp sensor which works in concert with the oxy-probe and is notorious for going bad. $12. I like the sound of the $12 route. Anyone have experience with this?
Eric Hansen, Kansas City


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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 20:08:31 EST
From: ACMERCG aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Sorta off list but...

To anyone interested, I am finally selling my F-150... If you're interested,
contact me off list.

1992 Ford F-150 302, AOD, 4x4 88K Pic on the website below...
Nite Package, Regular Cab, long bed, Hi-rise Cap, Tek-style Cover, tilt,A/C,
p/w, p/l, p/b, p/s, cruise, lumbar, Lund grille Screens, GTS bugflector, Hella
550's, K&N Filter, Dynomax Cat back, 95 Chrome rims. New muffler, Starter,
Superwinch hubs, Front bearings, Races, and seals, O2 sensor and Front Brakes.
In the last 6 months, I have done the Radiator, rebuilt the steering column,
EGR positioning sensor, U-Joints, Rear gas tank, battery, front rotors, rear
brakes, serviced the diffs and the trans. I also put in a new A/C compressor
last summer. The truck is in the Northern New Jersey Area, 88k, $8500 OBO.

Thanks,

Joe
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 19:47:43 -0600
From: Ron Haynie
Subject: FTE 80-96 - wiring harness info.

Hello:

Some time back, Someone posted a web site address with wiring harness info.
For alarm systems, and such. Any one still have the url ??

Thanks.



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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 21:49:16 -0600
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 4180C Holley carb choke

Roy-

Did you measure the voltage while engine was running? Was the wire still
connected to the choke heater? Resistance will be quite low (until current
flowing through it heats it up).

I don't follow your comment about having "a thermally activated vacuum port
problem". What makes you think that?

At 15:14 23/02/99 -0600, you wrote:
>Got a '85 F-150 w/351W H.O. engine w/4V carb (Holley 4180C). Having trouble
>getting the choke to release. Checked voltage at heater element and it's
>only 1 VDC. Is this right? Any body got one they can check the signal on
>and possibly the resistance of the heating element itself? I traced the
>choke heater element back to a relay on the firewall and then I stopped
>chasing it from there on. If this signal is correct then I'm thinking I
>have a thermally activated vacuum port problem. Any suggestions??
>

Jim Cannon
Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton
'63 Buick Riviera
'80 Ford F-150
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 21:43:45 -0600
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - '93Aerostar

Oxygen sensor should not cost $400.

Get someone to read the codes as soon after the engine light comes on as
you can and address what is says is out of range. That is better than trial
and error part replacement (which you will resort to anyway when the codes
don't make any sense).

At 00:50 24/02/99 -0000, you wrote:
>1993 Aerostar short body 3L V-6 has occasional engine light coming on, but
only on long hauls. A fog bank on rainy driving seem to help it come on. No
other problem like overheating, etc. etc. So the conclusion has been that
this is an emmissions control problem. One guy said it needs a new
oxy-probe at $400. Another said it is probably the temp sensor which works
in concert with the oxy-probe and is notorious for going bad. $12. I like
the sound of the $12 route. Anyone have experience with this?

Jim Cannon
Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton
'63 Buick Riviera
'80 Ford F-150
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 21:40:49 -0600
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - wiring harness info.

Here it is again. It is quite lengthy. You will need to cut and paste it
into your browser bacause it wraps to a second line.


http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.designtech-intl.com:591/designtech/html/FMPro?-db=dti.FP3&-lay=La
yout%20%231&-format=search.htm&-view


At 19:47 23/02/99 -0600, you wrote:
>Hello:
>
>Some time back, Someone posted a web site address with wiring harness info.
>For alarm systems, and such. Any one still have the url ??

Jim Cannon
Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton
'63 Buick Riviera
'80 Ford F-150
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 22:16:39 -0000
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - '93Aerostar

$400 for an O2 sensor ?!?!?!?
They must be smoking ALOT of crack. The O2 sensor is threaded into the
exhuast manifold and looks like a spark plug with wires coming out the back.
I replaced the one in my Bronco for $80 and it took five minutes including
the time I spent looking for the wrench. The O2 sensor is a very important
part of the EFI system so if it is bad your engine will run very poorly.
Did the mechanic pull the computer codes to determine this? Did he test the
sensor? If not he is very simply guessing and I would find a new mechanic.

Rade
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From: Eric Hansen
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, February 24, 1999 12:52 AM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - '93Aerostar


>1993 Aerostar short body 3L V-6 has occasional engine light coming on, but
only on long hauls. A fog bank on rainy driving seem to help it come on. No
other problem like overheating, etc. etc. So the conclusion has been that
this is an emmissions control problem. One guy said it needs a new oxy-probe
at $400. Another said it is probably the temp sensor which works in concert
with the oxy-probe and is notorious for going bad. $12. I like the sound of
the $12 route. Anyone have experience with this?
>Eric Hansen, Kansas City
>
>
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