80-96-list-digest Saturday, February 20 1999 Volume 03 : Number 050



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - 89 F250 gas tank
Re: FTE 80-96 - GAS TANK/junk yards
FTE 80-96 - re: timinx/mixture problem
FTE 80-96 - Trim code
FTE 80-96 - Re: wiring for brake control
FTE 80-96 - 1989 Gas Tanks
FTE 80-96 - Metrinch tools
Re: FTE 80-96 - re: timinx/mixture problem
FTE 80-96 - PCV Valve
Pennsylvania salvage; Was: FTE 80-96 - Harry's U-Pull It in Hazelton Pennsylvania
FTE 80-96 - Fuel filter connectors
Re: FTE 80-96 - PCV Valve
RE: FTE 80-96 - PCV Valve
Re: FTE 80-96 - PCV Valve

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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 08:01:36 -0500
From: "Robert Hackney"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 89 F250 gas tank

Bob,

Ford had a recall for the valve on the driver side frame rail just behind =
the high pressure
fuel pump, this valve controls the return of fuel to the tank in use. It =
should be replaced free
of charge, mine was. The problem of not being able to fill the front tank =
may be do to the inside hose=20
on the fuel filler neck coming off. Have you tried to siphon gas from the =
front tank? This can dislodge=20
this internal hose, been there.

Good luck,
Bob


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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 09:41:49 -0500
From: Dave
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - GAS TANK/junk yards

>Hey,
>There are alot of junkyards in jamaica, Queens, or long island in nassau,
>oceanside
>check around in the yellow pages. You should have no problems finding parts in
>New York.Good Luck.

Being a former resident of the L.I. area and motorhead , I found the yards
in East Rockaway , and O'side cheaper than the guys in the city.


Local Humor:
(Q) Are you from Queens ?

(A) No my parents are normal !

Dave X- NY'er


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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 08:03:10 PST
From: "Casey Vandor"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - re: timinx/mixture problem

>>>Speaking of fire, have you thought about.... Never mind.
I was thinking of parking in front of the door so when Engine 52 comes
out... Yea probably shouldn't do that either...

I did mean the rotor was in good shape in the distributor. The firing
order is correct and all the plug wires are in the looms where I put
them on last summer. I don't think it's water coming out the pipe, I
get a *very* strong smell of gas.

I will look into the fact that the diagphram might be torn. Can you get
to it to look at it w/o lots of messing with the carb? I am not quite
seeing it in the Haynes (probably right in front of my eyes)and I don't
really like tearing stuff apart here at school (no garage and
workbench...)

Thanks,
Casey Vandor

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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 10:50:53 -0600
From: Steve Randa
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Trim code

Does anyone know the trim code for a late model F150 with the Ruby red
interior (not the new body style) . I know for sure the '96s had this
color. Thanks!

Steve Randa
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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 12:50:58 -0500
From: Paul M Radecki
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: wiring for brake control

I've installed several Tekonsha brake boxes for my equestrian club.
There is a little connector under the dash, wired as follows (according
to Haynes):
dk blue --> trailer connector
white------> ground
lt green---> stop light switch
red --------> fuse T (under-hood fuse box)

OTOH, the instructions are quite specific about connencting directly to
the battery, so I usually just run the wires around the firewall through
the gap where door, fender, and A-pillar meet. The wires are only
visible when the door is open, and I like to use heavier gauge wire than
the factory hookups use, anyway. Of course, if I ever sell the truck the
next owner will spend hours tracing all my zip-tied wiring. I had a
Ranger once that used to belong to a volunteer fireman; I think I
lightened the truck by 20 lbs after pulling out all the "GNDN" (Goes
Nowhere Does Nothing) wiring that used to power his lights, radios, and
other accessories! But I digress...
Another note on trailer wiring: the connector that hangs under your
bumper is prone to corrosion, especially the 6-way round type. Steel
screws, brass terminals, moisture and voltage.... hmm, sounds like they
designed them to corrode so that they can sell you another one every
season. I use a 4-way flat (which is potted in plastic and less prone to
corrosion, also cheap) plus a quick-connect plug for the 5th wire (and
another for the 6th, if you have one) to hang under the truck, then make
a removeable adaptor: "4-way flat plus one" male to 6-way round female.
Thus, all the vulnerable parts can be stored in the cab when not in use.
If you always pull the same trailer you can even skip the adaptor and
wire your truck and trailer both with "4-way flat plus one" rather than
6-way round.

lordjanusz juno.com
'94 F150 300ci
'73 F100 360 (?) FE
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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 13:39:43 PST
From: "Chris Mahaffey"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 1989 Gas Tanks

It was mentioned about the overflow from the rear tank going into the
front tank and causing it to overflow. My Grandpa has a 1989 F150 with
dual tanks, and I know he received a recall notice for it a while ago to
fix what I think is the same problem.

I would definitely look into the recall before I paid for the dealer to
fix it.

Also, what is the difference between the E40D and AODE. (At least I
think that's the abbreviations used.)

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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 17:03:23 -0500
From: Paul
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Metrinch tools

The "slop" in the metrinch tools is designed in...not slop...because the
pressure is on the middle of the sides of the bolt head, not on the
corners.
FYI I have broken old bolts with my set, where a standard tool would
have rounded off the corners first.
I usually use them working on my 53-55 trucks.
Paul
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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 19:16:03 -0500
From: S Spaulding
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - re: timinx/mixture problem

Casey,

It's easy to get at the diaphragm. Round housing, if I remember right,
with four screws. You will see the housing. I think there may have
been a trick to disconnecting it from the venturi slide. I don't
remember. I know I changed it on the car.

Steve

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> I will look into the fact that the diagphram might be torn. Can you get
> to it to look at it w/o lots of messing with the carb? I am not quite
> seeing it in the Haynes (probably right in front of my eyes)and I don't
> really like tearing stuff apart here at school (no garage and
> workbench...)
>
> Thanks,
> Casey Vandor
>
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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 19:32:02 -0500
From: Tom Gunby
Subject: FTE 80-96 - PCV Valve

I would like to replace the pcv valve on my '86 F-150 302 EFI but can't
find it. The Haynes manual seems to indicate it is toward the rear in
the top of the valve cover on the transmission filler tube side of the
engine but I don't see it there. There is a piece that looks like the
pcv valve fitted into the top of the oil filler cap but there is nothing
inside the tube - it is hollow. Is the pcv valve located toward the
rear of the engine, out of sight? Would appreciate some help on this.
Thanks.
Tom Gunby

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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 19:49:40 -0500
From: "Serian"
Subject: Pennsylvania salvage; Was: FTE 80-96 - Harry's U-Pull It in Hazelton Pennsylvania

> Greetings all. Anybody been to Harry's ?. I seem to recall some mention
> of this at some point, somewhere in the past.
>
> I see in the commercials that all cars are suppossed to be off the
> ground, and they have some ridiculous amount of acerage there(thought
> they might have said a 100 in the commercial). Anyway, are the cars
> seperated/organized by make or manufacturer to make things easy to find?
> Or should I take a sleeping bag, and expect to only be able to write
> home on weekends ? ;).
>
>"EJ" In Hamilton Township, New Jersey, suburb of Trenton

You're quite a ways away from Hazleton, PA, there !

If you are willing to travel that far, though, a couple other places to
check out
for parts ... in Schuylkill County, PA (I went to college there), there is
two
places I always went for parts.

One is just out back of the Penn State Campus in Schuylkill Haven
Dierwechter's Used Auto Parts
(570) 385 3775

The other is just off route 61 in Palo Alto (Pottsville)
"All indoor auto parts"
(I dont know their number, but the place is easy to find)

These places have a reasonably good selection of late '70's and
newer parts. So far, I have always found what I looked for there.

If yer in the Bradford county. PA area looking for OLD parts, I
recommend checking with Dick Morse in Allis Hollow, PA.
He has all kinds of older stuff, even a little bit of 1950's parts,
and a whole host of 60's and 70's trucks. (I think I even saw a
4V FE last time I was there ... though it might have been nabbed
by now...)

Another good yard is just outside Mill Hall, PA south on route
150 ... don't remember the name of it, but you can't miss it, as it
is clearly visible from the highway.





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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 20:01:05 -0500
From: "Serian"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Fuel filter connectors

>You can get it off with piers, etc., but it will mess up the line. You can
>buy a little plastic disconnect tool for less then $5 at most chain parts
>stores. I bought a whole set of them in different sizes for $15. The same
>type connectors are also used on your a/c lines, under hood fuel lines and
>trans cooler lines, but they are different sizes. So I thought it would be
>good to have a full set.
>
>The lines are held together by a garter spring. The tool is round with a
>cutout like a tubing wrench to get it on the line. You put it on the line
>and slide it down inside the joint. It pushes the spring outward and the
>lines easily come apart.

This is true for the EFI fuel rail lines, but the setup is different
with carburetors. Most of the carbureted systems I have seen
(Motorcraft 2100/2150 2V and 4100/4150 4V) have a rubber hose
that just slides over the fuel filter nipple and is squeezed by a
hose clamp. The factory-installed hose clamps are pieces of junk
however, and I usually throw them away in favor of a screw-type
clamp.

The one fuel-injected Ford that I worked on required the
engine/transmission assembly removed, and I couldn't for the
life of me get that spring-compressor tool thing to work worth
a darn. I just cut the plastic fuel lines, then later spliced em together
with an exterior piece of rubber fuel hose and 4 hose clamps. It
worked great, no leaks, but the experience was enough to convince
me that I NEVER want to own a fuel injected monstrosity, especially
with a transversely mounted engine.


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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 20:44:25 -0500
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - PCV Valve

Tom Gunby wrote:
>
> I would like to replace the pcv valve on my '86 F-150 302 EFI but can't
> find it. The Haynes manual seems to indicate it is toward the rear in
> the top of the valve cover on the transmission filler tube side of the
> engine but I don't see it there. There is a piece that looks like the
> pcv valve fitted into the top of the oil filler cap but there is nothing
> inside the tube - it is hollow. Is the pcv valve located toward the
> rear of the engine, out of sight? Would appreciate some help on this.
> Thanks.
> Tom Gunby
>
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Probably just like my Lightning its behind the upper intake on the lower
intake where you can't do anything other there feel for it!
Good Luck!!!!
Chris
94 Lightning #381
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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 22:43:10 -0600
From: "Harris, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - PCV Valve

If you have the type of intake like mine where it goes over the right side
valve cover and up to the throttle body. Reach behind and under the intake
at the back top of the valve cover. I didn't realize I had one on my '85
for 2 years.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:Tom Gunby [SMTP:gunby mindspring.com]
> Sent:Friday, February 19, 1999 6:32 PM
> To:Ford Truck Discussion Group
> Subject:FTE 80-96 - PCV Valve
>
> I would like to replace the pcv valve on my '86 F-150 302 EFI but can't
> find it. The Haynes manual seems to indicate it is toward the rear in
> the top of the valve cover on the transmission filler tube side of the
> engine but I don't see it there. There is a piece that looks like the
> pcv valve fitted into the top of the oil filler cap but there is nothing
> inside the tube - it is hollow. Is the pcv valve located toward the
> rear of the engine, out of sight? Would appreciate some help on this.
> Thanks.
> Tom Gunby
>
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 04:57:41 -0500
From: Tom Gunby
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - PCV Valve

Scott-
I found it.
Thanks.
Tom

Harris, Scott wrote:

> If you have the type of intake like mine where it goes over the right side
> valve cover and up to the throttle body. Reach behind and under the intake
> at the back top of the valve cover. I didn't realize I had one on my '85
> for 2 years.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tom Gunby [SMTP:gunby mindspring.com]
> > Sent: Friday, February 19, 1999 6:32 PM
> > To: Ford Truck Discussion Group
> > Subject: FTE 80-96 - PCV Valve
> >
> > I would like to replace the pcv valve on my '86 F-150 302 EFI but can't
> > find it. The Haynes manual seems to indicate it is toward the rear in
> > the top of the valve cover on the transmission filler tube side of the
> > engine but I don't see it there. There is a piece that looks like the
> > pcv valve fitted into the top of the oil filler cap but there is nothing
> > inside the tube - it is hollow. Is the pcv valve located toward the
> > rear of the engine, out of sight? Would appreciate some help on this.....


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