80-96-list-digest Wednesday, February 17 1999 Volume 03 : Number 047



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - Removing headlight trim
Re: FTE 80-96 - Key Problems with 86 F150
Re: FTE 80-96 - Reverse lights
FTE 80-96 - throw out bearing
Re: FTE 80-96 - Power steering hose
Re: FTE 80-96 - Body Restoration (1980 F-100)
FTE 80-96 - remove
Re: FTE 80-96 - Reverse lights
FTE 80-96 - Skipping Days
RE: FTE 80-96 - Torque Converter Lock Control
FTE 80-96 - Another Update(Timing cover)
FTE 80-96 - Resolved -- New motor or new truck?
FTE 80-96 - 4xing & Air Bag
Re: FTE 80-96 - 4xing & Air Bag
FTE 80-96 - RE: slip yoke problem
FTE 80-96 - TC Lockup
RE: FTE 80-96 - Tank Capacity and other Q's
FTE 80-96 - 3g alternator
RE: FTE 80-96 - Tank Capacity and other Q's
FTE 80-96 - 302 to 351w
Re: FTE 80-96 - 302 to 351w
Re: FTE 80-96 - 4xing & Air Bag
Re: FTE 80-96 - 302 to 351w
FTE 80-96 - I6 Newbie question
Re: FTE 80-96 - 302 to 351w
RE: FTE 80-96 - Tank Capacity and other Q's
Re: FTE 80-96 - 302 to 351w
Re: FTE 80-96 - "I Like FORDS, but the CHEVY was cheaper!"
Re: FTE 80-96 - "I Like FORDS, but the CHEVY was cheaper!"
FTE 80-96 - Squeak noise
FTE 80-96 - Re: Stumbling 1989 4.9L FI
Re: FTE 80-96 - Squeak noise
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Stumbling 1989 4.9L FI
RE: FTE 80-96 - Key Problems with 86 F150
FTE 80-96 - Squeak fix
Re: FTE 80-96 - Squeak noise

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 06:59:02 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Removing headlight trim

Dana,
There are (2) 7/16" nuts holding onto studs that are embedded into the
headlight assembly. They are diagonal from each other on the housing and are a
PITA to get to if you have above average forearm development. If you remove
your coolant bottle/washer fluid assembly you can get to them with ease, on
the passenger side I'm afraid you have to pull the battery to get to those.
Hope this helps,
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
"Hazardous Material"
Wayne's Flareside Page
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 08:21:12 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Key Problems with 86 F150

>believe this is a big problem with these year's trucks. Once you have it
>replaced reassembly goes quick. I had only a couple of extra pieces left!
>
Unless you have a tilt wheel like my sister did ... I spent a couple hours
trying to fit that piece in there, ended up going to a dealer, even with
the wheel tilted all the way down there was no way to snap that between the
mounting surfaces ... the dealer knew the trick and was able to do it
quickly. Just so you don't spend hours like I did ....


Just my 2cents

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 08:22:19 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Reverse lights

Is this tied into the neutral
>safety switch or is there a seperate one for the reverse position? Is
>it adjustable?

Yep, they're the same switch. And they're adjustable. Grab a chiltons or
haynes, they should have the instructions for adjusting them, or just find
the switch loosen the bolts and have a good old time til you get it where
you want it ...


Just my 2cents

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 09:13:52 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - throw out bearing

Geof Schrag writes: >>-I must be getting close to breaking a record for most
time spent working
on a basic repair!-clutch job The Throwout bearing or rather the notched
sleeve that fits around it is stuck in the depression that it fits into.
I've tried a screw type and slide hammer puller with two 90 degree bits on
the end. The little bearing center piece came out, but the sleeve with
notches that fits around it is wedged in tightly. I'm wondering if I
should try heating it with a blow torch or heat gun or chiseling it out? I
don't want to damage or score anything so I thought I'd ask you guys what
would work best. Web site has been a big help to me.


Are you sure you are having this problem with the "Throw out" bearing. It
sounds as if you are trying to get the "Pilot shaft" bearing out of the rear of
the crankshaft. IF this is the case, DO NOT heat it with a torch, nor beat it
with a hammer and chisel. You just might wind up breaking the crankshaft. The
Crankshaft is extremely hard, and doesn't take to shock very well. You might
get by with it but I certainly don't recommend it.

Describe your problem in detail again please. Also give make, model, and type
vehicle.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 08:27:05 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Power steering hose

>end of the hose? It's not 11/16(too small), 3/4(too big), 17mm(too
>small) or 19mm(too big). My set does not have an 18mm but I think that
>would have been too big also. 17mm almost went but not quite. I was
>able to get it from the back side with a crescent after removing my air
>cleaner but I'm very curious. Anyone know for sure? The new line was
>11/16 so installing it was no problem.
>
can't help you with the install, but I think you'll find that the 11/16 is
so close to the 18mm that it would have made no difference whatsoever ... I
think that's why so many metric kits are missing the 18, since its almost
identically the same size as the 11/16. (11.33/16 vs 11/16) Hmmm...that's
more than I thought it was (0.46mm), but still fairly close ...




Just my 2cents

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 08:31:16 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Body Restoration (1980 F-100)

I had the floors replaced on my 73ish last spring. They were getting
pretty rusty, but so were my cab mounts, and the cab was bouncing all over
the place ... doesn't feel so good when your floor board bounces off the
frame. Anyway it was definitely worth it. I'm not sure how your cab
mounts are fixed on your truck, but on mine the alignment is very important
or you end up with a cab that lists to one side. Also the floor boards I
got (not from JCW, but probably similar quality), they didn't fit exactly
right. The guy who did the work said there was lots of pounding and
swearing to get them shaped right, but he did such a great job .... you can
really pound on them and they don't even flex or anything....I know they're
not supposed to, but I've seen some pretty cheap stuff done.

Hope this helps

Just my 2cents

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 09:40:19 EST
From: HrdKnkr aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - remove

Please remove:
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from the list.

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 08:55:14 -0600
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Reverse lights

Dana Bartholomew wrote:

> natural reverse postion I get nothing. Is this tied into the neutral
> safety switch or is there a seperate one for the reverse position? Is
> it adjustable? I'd like to be able to just throw it in reverse and not
> have to worry about it.

Dana,
Ours may or may not be the same. But in my case on the '83
Bronco with 4-speed manual, the nuetral safety switch is also
the backup light switch. Mine is located on the top of the tranny
pointed to the driverside. If I take the panel off the floor that
surounds my manual shifter then it is right there.
- --
Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Terrains
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale or back to the leasing dealer in March :-)
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 08:56:00 -0600
From: "Gourde, Darrin"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Skipping Days

Administrator,

Lately I have not been getting all the copies of this list. I received V3
#41 on 02-12-99 and did not get another copy until V3 #46 on 02-16-99. V3
#24 was also missed. Has anybody else had this happen?

Darrin
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 09:11:43 -0600
From: "David Anderson (EUS)"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Torque Converter Lock Control

Dave Baldwin brings up a good point that I had overlooked concerning the TC
lock control switch as stated below;

>....Operating the switch when the
solenoid is active will start some nasty transients which will not be good
for either the EEC or the switch.

The bottom line is, for those of us that have decided to rig up a TC lockup
control switch, do not throw the switch to unlock while you're driving with
the TC locked. The inductive kick from the TC lock solenoid could damage
the EEC. So it's OK to be driving around, hit a fast stretch of road and
throw the switch to the TC lock position. Just leave it there 'till the
next time you come to a stop or when you have the breaks on and you know the
EEC not telling the TC to lock.
David Anderson


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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 09:49:07 -0600
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Another Update(Timing cover)

Well Guys,
I worked on it till about 11:00 last night. Took me about
2 1/2 hours to clean up the front of the engine for the mating
surfaces of the water pump and timing chain cover, then it
took me a while to get the valve cover off cause it was REALLY
cemented on. Then took about an hour and a half to clean the valve
cover off. Then got the valve cover painted. Well I am going to
make it another late night tonight try and start putting it back
together tonight. One thing here guys, is that I have gotten all
kinds of crap in where the waterpump goes and the timing gears
and oil pan. Eveything from pieces of RTV, cleaning spray
solution and gasket pieces.
Stay tunned.
- --
Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Terrains
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale or back to the leasing dealer in March
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:18:16 -0600
From: Ron Madurski
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Resolved -- New motor or new truck?

Well the search is over. IF I had the time I would have gone the new
motor route, but I leave for WV on Sunday and there just wasn't time for
it. At first I concentrated my search on Ford trucks only since I have
familiarity with the brand. However, the configuration I was looking
for just didn't exist (F250, 4x4, Ext. Cab, Diesel) in my price range.
They were either too expensive or too beat up. So I found a nice 92
Dodge with the 5.9L Turbo Diesel, 4x4, Ext. Cab. The price was right
and it is really a nice truck. I was (and still am) a little leary
about buying a Mopar product but I do know that the Cummins Diesel is a
great motor. We'll see if the Mopar creaks and groans get too bad.
There was only one noticeable rattle and I fixed it already.

So, I'm off to WV for my new job this weekend. Thanks for all the help
on my truck, maybe I'll be back in a few years.

Ron Madurski

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Sent: Thursday, February 11, 1999 9:06 AM
To: 'trucks'
Subject: FTE 80-96 - New motor or new truck?



I have a '85 F250 4x4 Ext. Cab Diesel with about 340K miles on the
original motor. It has had a slight rod knock since I bought it about 2
years ago. In the last 2 weeks it has gotten progressively worse and
now I can not only hear it but I can feel it. The body is pretty rough
but I have new fenders and cab corners to put on it.

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:30:52 -0700
From: "Brad Shell"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 4xing & Air Bag

All; I'm getting ready for some serious off-roading in my 96 F150 but
am concerned with the airbag imploading in my face. Is there any way to
disengage the Air Bag unit, just when Off the beaten pass.

Regards

Brad

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:58:10 -0500 (EST)
From: Speed Racer
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 4xing & Air Bag

Note: I am not responsible for any airbag related injuries. Disconnect
your battery before you do this.

There is a module, called the SDM module located in your truck somewhere.
I have see them in front of a floor mounted shifter, and in the passenger
side kick panel. It is about 4"X4", and usually has an arrow on it
denoting forward. There is a bundle of wire running into it, if you
disconnect them by pulling the electrical connector out of it, you turn
off the power and stop it from communicating to the air bag. This might
work, but depending on how important Ford thinks having working airbags
are, your truck may not start back up. If this happens, just plug it back
in, and it should start again. If this doesn't work, there is a way to
remove the airbag, clip the wires, and remount it, Car and Driver wrote an
article about this a few years ago. Good Luck.

Trenton Munsell
Oakland University-- Mechanical Engineering
1998-99 SAE President
1998-99 FSAE Team Leader
Brakes are a sign of weakness.....
..... When in doubt-- GAS IT!!!!!

On Tue, 16 Feb 1999, Brad Shell wrote:

> All; I'm getting ready for some serious off-roading in my 96 F150 but
> am concerned with the airbag imploading in my face. Is there any way to
> disengage the Air Bag unit, just when Off the beaten pass.
>
> Regards
>
> Brad
>
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:04:57 -0600
From: Geoffrey Schrag
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: slip yoke problem

- -This is in response to Mike Baker's slip yoke questions.

I've been having the same "clunking noise" & I noticed it happening when
the suspension was forced to travel a good distance. The u-joints on my
truck looked ok, but the front slip joint looked like it had never been
lubed-full of dust! I haven't had the truck long enough to know whether or
not it is a design problem. I was told that you can get the yoke to slide
again if you take out the grease fitting, spray the inside with wd40 or
rust dissolver, lube again, and sand corrosion off the shaft. I haven't
had a chance to try this. The thing that bothers me is that no one caught
this or they chose not to when I had the car in to have the problem
diagnosed. I spent money on other repairs I shouldn't have! Maybe someone
else has had luck fixing these things?
thanks again for the assistance,

Geof Schrag
1980 Bronco
351M, 4sp
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:11:43 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - TC Lockup

Paul writes: >> Does it need to slip and create some heat before it will lock
up?

Yes.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:42:11 -0600
From: "David Anderson (EUS)"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Tank Capacity and other Q's

Tank capacity (from my '90 F150 owners manual) (probably covers 80-96)
F150 - F350 (not cab/chassis or dual rear wheels)
Rear tank: 18.2 gal
Short bed front: 16.5 gal
Long bed front: 19 gal

David Anderson

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 13:46:57 -0500
From: "Robert Hackney"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 3g alternator

Brian & the list,
Though I would let you know how the Alternator swap went.=20
I ended up buying the 3g from A.I.S. the outfit in California. It was, as =
advertised=20
factory new and shiny and even came with the stator plug. The warranty is =
for a year=20
but it has been my experience that if it makes it through infant mortality =
it should last, after=20
all the 2g that was in the truck lasted ten years and 127000 miles.
I had to notch the bracket and decided to completely redo the charging =
harness.
Piece of cake.
What a difference 14.1 volts at idle with under drive pulleys and every =
thing turned on and=20
the trailer hooked up.=20

Have a good day,
Bob

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:11:10 -0800 (PST)
From: Ryan Reinke
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Tank Capacity and other Q's

If I read this correct a sb single tank has a capacity of 16.5? What
are my options on adding an additional tank? I have no problems if
the draw is from both, but like the option of controlling tanks.




- ---"David Anderson (EUS)" wrote:
>
> Tank capacity (from my '90 F150 owners manual) (probably covers 80-96)
> F150 - F350 (not cab/chassis or dual rear wheels)
> Rear tank: 18.2 gal
> Short bed front: 16.5 gal
> Long bed front: 19 gal
>
> David Anderson
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 15:27:14 EST
From: Bailey8109 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 302 to 351w

I am in the process of rebuilding a 86 351w to replace my 83 302 I was
wondering if anyone would know what kind of torque and horsepower increase I
can expect. I would also like to know if I can use the intake off the 302 on
the 351w (the 351 intake has a lot of smog stuff)
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 15:59:06 -0500
From: "Matt Fitzsimmons"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 302 to 351w

It's hard to tell what the torque and power increases will be. You have the
opportunity to pick and choose your pieces while putting this engine
together. Dished pistons or flat tops, original cam shaft or after market,
exhaust manifolds or headers, and so on. As I recal, the '86 351 came with a
4 bbl, where as the '83 302 came with a 2 bbl. I think the '83 302 was
rated at about 135 HP and 250 lb-ft. With the right pieces, you can have a
very streetable 351 making 225 HP and 350 lb-ft.

No, the intakes are not interchangable. The 351 is somewhat taller and
wider than the 302, therefore requiring a different intake.

Matt


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From: Bailey8109 aol.com
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 3:32 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 302 to 351w


>I am in the process of rebuilding a 86 351w to replace my 83 302 I was
>wondering if anyone would know what kind of torque and horsepower increase
I
>can expect. I would also like to know if I can use the intake off the 302
on
>the 351w (the 351 intake has a lot of smog stuff)
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 15:50:02 -0500
From: "Matt Fitzsimmons"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 4xing & Air Bag

Just leave the air bag connected. If you hit something hard enough to set
it off, you'll be glad you had the air bag. Hitting a tree ( or the
ground ) at 5 MPH won't set it off.

Matt
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From: Brad Shell
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 12:35 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 4xing & Air Bag


>All; I'm getting ready for some serious off-roading in my 96 F150 but
>am concerned with the airbag imploading in my face. Is there any way to
>disengage the Air Bag unit, just when Off the beaten pass.
>
>Regards
>
>Brad
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 15:12:48 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 302 to 351w

>I am in the process of rebuilding a 86 351w to replace my 83 302 I was
>wondering if anyone would know what kind of torque and horsepower increase I
>can expect.

Specifically ? Lots. Don't really know the numbers off the top of my
head, but it is a significant portion

I would also like to know if I can use the intake off the 302 on
>the 351w (the 351 intake has a lot of smog stuff)

No, looking at the 351 you should be able to see that it is quite a bit
wider than the old 302

Aftermarket will probably be the best bet for the intake.


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 15:35:57 -0700
From: "nicj"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - I6 Newbie question

I have been a member of the offroad-list digest, performance list digest,
and the 80-96 list digest for almost a year now. I have never posted any
questions but have learned so much from these lists. I have a 1994 I6 4x4
and the only modification I have done so far is a stereo system and BFG 31
10.5s. It has never given me any real trouble but I have a few questions. I
want to put a less restrictive exhaust system on it soon. I have found
emissions legal headers from Clifford performance but behind the header I am
confused. First of all I have dual catalytic converters. The guys at the pro
shop said I only need one cat to be legal up to 360ci in New Mexico. Legal
or not, is it smart to only use one cat or should I insist on two. I am
going to purchase high flow catalytic converter(s) from these guys so makes
me think the guy is being honest...otherwise he could make a little more
commission off two cats (119.00$) rather than one. Next question is...should
I go with a permanufactured exhaust system from Flowmaster or Gibson
(mandrel bent..????) or let a custom exhaust shop out here custom build me
one. The custom built one is a little cheaper and the exhaust guy says he
can bend the tubes to fit even tighter than the Gibson? Next question...both
the Gibson and the Flowmaster cat back systems are 3" systems. However, I
have had people recommend that I only go with a 2.5" pipe. My stock pipe is
2.25 I believe. I understand the ongoing debate between torque and HP as
related to backpressure but I don't know enough to decide on a certain width
of pipe. My truck's first gear is very low for 4wheelin' so I guess I don't
need all that much more torque???? Final question is...are Flowmaster
mufflers the best? Their price is reasonable but if any of you have had luck
with other performance brands please let me know.I know this exhaust subject
has come up numerous times in the past but I have never really found this
information out. Sorry the message is so long! Appreciate any responses and
suggestions.


Nic
1994
Forest Green 4x4 I6


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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 18:21:15 -0500
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 302 to 351w

Matt Fitzsimmons wrote:
>
> It's hard to tell what the torque and power increases will be. You have the
> opportunity to pick and choose your pieces while putting this engine
> together. Dished pistons or flat tops, original cam shaft or after market,
> exhaust manifolds or headers, and so on. As I recal, the '86 351 came with a
> 4 bbl, where as the '83 302 came with a 2 bbl. I think the '83 302 was
> rated at about 135 HP and 250 lb-ft. With the right pieces, you can have a
> very streetable 351 making 225 HP and 350 lb-ft.
>
> No, the intakes are not interchangable. The 351 is somewhat taller and
> wider than the 302, therefore requiring a different intake.
>
> Matt
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bailey8109 aol.com
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 3:32 PM
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - 302 to 351w
>
> >I am in the process of rebuilding a 86 351w to replace my 83 302 I was
> >wondering if anyone would know what kind of torque and horsepower increase
> I
> >can expect. I would also like to know if I can use the intake off the 302
> on
> >the 351w (the 351 intake has a lot of smog stuff)
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Taller yeas...but I don't think its wider....I know I can use 5.0 parts
are interchangeable with the Lightnings! So I can't see what the
difference would be!
Chris
94 Lightning #381
NLOC #238
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 18:05:17 -0600
From: "Anthony Rio"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Tank Capacity and other Q's

More than 6 gallons!!! On my 94, I have two tanks, 15 and 18 gallons. I
think the newer ones are a single 32 gallon

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Brad Shell
> Sent: Monday, February 15, 1999 12:07 PM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - Tank Capacity and other Q's
>
>
> Greetings all; I just purchased a 96 F150 XLT 4x4 300 I6 31x10.5x15s 4
> months ago, and have a few questions...
>
> 1. Gas Tank Capacity: 100 Miles and guage reads empty already, I fill
> it and only put 6
> Gallons in? I really don't want to pull the tank just to fix the float,
> so need to know what the gas tank capacity is.
>
> 2. Chamfering the front brake pads? I understand that it is supposed
> to quiet brake squel, but when did they start doing this, and does less
> contact with the rotor limit the stopping capabilities?
>
> 3. It has a dual shock set up in the front, is this normal or an add
> on?
>
> 4. Transmission problem woes... The Mazda 5 spd had to be resealed due
> to several leaks. Any upgrades or can I put in an old 4 spd granny when
> the time comes?
>
> Regards
>
> Brad Shell
>
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 19:16:47 -0500
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 302 to 351w

Garr&Pam wrote:
>
> Matt Fitzsimmons wrote:
> >
> > It's hard to tell what the torque and power increases will be. You have the
> > opportunity to pick and choose your pieces while putting this engine
> > together. Dished pistons or flat tops, original cam shaft or after market,
> > exhaust manifolds or headers, and so on. As I recal, the '86 351 came with a
> > 4 bbl, where as the '83 302 came with a 2 bbl. I think the '83 302 was
> > rated at about 135 HP and 250 lb-ft. With the right pieces, you can have a
> > very streetable 351 making 225 HP and 350 lb-ft.
> >
> > No, the intakes are not interchangable. The 351 is somewhat taller and
> > wider than the 302, therefore requiring a different intake.
> >
> > Matt
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bailey8109 aol.com
> > To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> > Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 3:32 PM
> > Subject: FTE 80-96 - 302 to 351w
> >
> > >I am in the process of rebuilding a 86 351w to replace my 83 302 I was
> > >wondering if anyone would know what kind of torque and horsepower increase
> > I
> > >can expect. I would also like to know if I can use the intake off the 302
> > on
> > >the 351w (the 351 intake has a lot of smog stuff)
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> Taller yeas...but I don't think its wider....I know I can use 5.0 parts
> are interchangeable with the Lightnings! So I can't see what the
> difference would be!
> Chris
> 94 Lightning #381
> NLOC #238
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Scratch that I am not sure about lower intakes. My mind was not working
as I just got off work...I will check into this though!
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 19:26:08 EST
From: STEPSI3742 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - "I Like FORDS, but the CHEVY was cheaper!"

WOW! where are you living. usually fords are cheaper, that's why i bought both
of mine
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 21:15:45 EST
From: CphgnCwby1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - "I Like FORDS, but the CHEVY was cheaper!"

yea well this guy was old, and I think he was a little senile!!!!

I looked at some 82-85 fords, and they were between3200-4500

Then this came along,and it is an 89 for 2700......I didn't think i could beat
it

LATER
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:11:13 EST
From: AeroAce13 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Squeak noise

I haven't had to write in for a while because I have not been having any
problems with my truck. Well today I did some work that needed to be done (60
deg. and sunny here in NJ) on it. The Problem it that the dash board had ths
very irritating squeak when ever it was to vibrate a little. It has been a
problem since i got the truck 7 mos. ago but I wasn't able to find where it
was comming from. Well today I took apaart the dash to see what the problem
was. well was I suprised at what I saw. There was a coating of dirt on
everything that I could see and there were some lose screws too. Well after a
good vacuming and tightning of the lose screws it was time to put it all back
toghether again. The squeak had gotten better but was't fixed, I then removed
the metal insert iin the ash tray and Problem solved. It feels good to drive
arround and not have that annoying squeek. Also I have a question, I am
looking to install the amber lights on the roof of my truck. the ones that go
just behind the windshield and there are usually 5 or 6 across the roof. Has
anyone ever installed any thing like this and do you have any advice for
waterprofing? Thanks for your input.

Ed
85 F-150 XLT 4x4 Lariet
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 21:24:31 -0600
From: Kimuel Hill
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Stumbling 1989 4.9L FI

Greetings all and thanks for the advice. I thought I would let you all
know the ending of this epic saga.

After reading all the advice I put one more Saturday into the problem
and it seems to have been defeated; temporarily perhaps, but defeated
none the less. First, I bought some good plug wires. The best I could
find ready made for the 6 cylinder were Bosch premium wires. They were
not my first choice, but they appear to be first rate.

I also removed the EGR valve and it's position sensor. They tested
fine, but...I also disassembled the connector for the sensor and
recrimped the individual connector tubes and squeezed them together just
a bit. This may have been a recurring problem, since the tubes were
filled with some sort of conductive grease. The connector was
reassembled and made much better contact with the sensor. My
intermittent check engine light is now gone.

At the same time I put some 'good' fuel system cleaner in the tank at
double the recommended amount and drove for 125 miles or so. The truck
runs like it was supposed to now. If it happens again, I may invest in
a real fuel system cleaning. Anyone have experience with the
'professional' method?

Thanks again for all the advice...hope this helps some of you who are
experiencing the same.
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:28:19 EST
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Squeak noise

i use black silicone to seal them it works quite well with the gasket in the
kit
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:38:12 EST
From: STEPSI3742 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Stumbling 1989 4.9L FI

I went up to my local Victory Lane Quick oil change and they had a three step
system that consisted of a pour in tank cleaner and, spray in throttle body
also, a cleaner that goes through a vacuum port in the intake. The treatment
worked very well, my 4.9 ran a lot better
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 23:03:53 -0600
From: "Harris, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Key Problems with 86 F150

I have the tilt wheel and I got by with leaving it on but it was a pain!
Glad I did disassemble it though because one side of the tilt portion had
come out of it's hinge bracket.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:William S Hart [SMTP:wish iastate.edu]
> Sent:Tuesday, February 16, 1999 8:21 AM
> To:80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject:Re: FTE 80-96 - Key Problems with 86 F150
>
> >believe this is a big problem with these year's trucks. Once you have it
> >replaced reassembly goes quick. I had only a couple of extra pieces
> left!
> >
> Unless you have a tilt wheel like my sister did ... I spent a couple hours
> trying to fit that piece in there, ended up going to a dealer, even with
> the wheel tilted all the way down there was no way to snap that between
> the
> mounting surfaces ... the dealer knew the trick and was able to do it
> quickly. Just so you don't spend hours like I did ....
>
>
> Just my 2cents
>
> wish
>
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 23:17:54 -0600
From: "Harris, Scott"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Squeak fix

Ed,

On my '85 F150 I had the same squeak. Going down the road while it
squeaked, I could push on the dash near the radio and it would stop as long
as I held it.

The problem is the dash brace. Look beneath and to the right of the
a/c-radio portion of the dash. There should be a brace rod going from the
bottom portion of the dash to the firewall. Where it connects to the
firewall is a bolt that secures it to the firewall. This bolt will back
itself out over time and cause the brace to squeak. Just tighten it back up
and no more squeak! Check it every year or so because even though it feels
tight it will back itself out.

My thoughts anyway...

Scott
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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 03:26:43 -0500
From: "Todd Rensel"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Squeak noise

Ed,

you want amber lights?? I would suggest looking into a Lund "Moon Visor"
it looks great on my 92' and comes with the lights.

Todd
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