80-96-list-digest Sunday, February 14 1999 Volume 03 : Number 044



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - RE: Fuel Filter on 94 F-150...
FTE 80-96 - RE: Dead Bronco
FTE 80-96 - Warranty status for 1985 F-150 slip yoke TSB
Re: FTE 80-96 - Another dead truck
FTE 80-96 - RE: Bearing/Bushing won't come out!
RE: FTE 80-96 - Torque Converter Lock Control
FTE 80-96 - Front brakes
Re: FTE 80-96 - Front brakes
RE: FTE 80-96 - E4OD interceptor
Re: FTE 80-96 - E4OD interceptor
Re: FTE 80-96 - Front brakes
FTE 80-96 - Re: CNN poll no longer?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Front brakes
Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: Fuel Filter on 94 F-150...

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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 10:58:42 -0600
From: "Dave Harmier"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: Fuel Filter on 94 F-150...

On my 92, I found it hidden in the space (TIGHT!) between the forward fuel
tank and frame rail. It has the same fittings as the A/C and fuel stuff
under the hood.

I just couldn't hack it, took it to a shade tree sort of shop (Dad and mech
are buds) and HE did it.

Good luck to you!

Dave H.
dharmier gte.net
Houston, TX
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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 11:10:49 -0600
From: "Dave Harmier"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: Dead Bronco

I know it's a "beating a dead horse" issue...but no-one has said what it
took ages to learn.....it takes 12 Volts to start a Ford (more is ok) but
11.99 or less just WON'T do it!

11.99 or less will work all accessories and lights.......but it WILL NOT
crank the engine!

Sorry to Soapbox...but it needed saying!

Dave H.
dharmier gte.net
Houston, TX
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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 13:53:53 -0500
From: "PmctBaker"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Warranty status for 1985 F-150 slip yoke TSB

hi all,

All this time I thought my groan/grunt/clunk/ noise, was the C-6 tranny.
but I changed the U-joints, and the noise went away, for two days. now ive
found a TSB that says the slip yoke is causing this noise. makes sense, but
what do you think?
AND
will/should the dealer replace the part?

thanks
mike baker
pmbaker your-net.com
1985 F-150 4X4
351W 4bbl C-6



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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 14:32:05 -0500
From: troyw mfi.net (Troy Williams)
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Another dead truck

On 10 Feb 99, at 10:54, Doug McGuinn wrote:

>My truck (89 F-150, 302) was totally dead Sunday. Got it started with a
>jump. Next day it was dead again. Bought a new battery (the old battery
>was only 7 months old, so there was no charge for the new one). Put the
>new battery in yesterday morning. Truck started fine all day yesterday.
>This morning, however, the new battery was completely drained. I did
>notice when I put the new battery in, that when I conected the negative
>terminal, there were a few sparks and a sizzling sound when I touched the
>cable to the terminal. Is this normal, or is it a sign that something is
>pulling juice off the battery, even though the switch was off? Any hints
>as to what could be draining the battery and how to troubleshoot it would
>be greatly appreciated.

It sounds like you have a short or something is running that is
draining the battery. I have no idea where to start, maybe
someone else can throw some advice in the ring. A friend of mine
has a Corvette that had a short somewhere, cost $360 or so to
repair it. But their dome light was staying on among other things
that was draining the battery.

You might be a redneck if... You refer to your beer gut as 'the
old tool shed.' - Jeff Foxworthy


Troy Williams
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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 14:46:28 -0600
From: Geoffrey Schrag
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: Bearing/Bushing won't come out!

-I must be getting close to breaking a record for most time spent working
on a basic repair!-clutch job The Throwout bearing or rather the notched
sleeve that fits around it is stuck in the depression that it fits into.
I've tried a screw type and slide hammer puller with two 90 degree bits on
the end. The little bearing center piece came out, but the sleeve with
notches that fits around it is wedged in tightly. I'm wondering if I
should try heating it with a blow torch or heat gun or chiseling it out? I
don't want to damage or score anything so I thought I'd ask you guys what
would work best. Web site has been a big help to me.

Thanks for bearing with me!
- -no pun intended

Geof Schrag
1980 Bronco
351M

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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 15:34:39 -0600
From: "Baldwin, Dave"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Torque Converter Lock Control

Scott,

This MAY be a possibility. There's only two reasons that it may not:
(1) If the input and output shaft speeds are monitored to check that the
gear commanded is the one engaged, and,
(2) If it looks for the solenoid voltage signature when engaged, the
resistor will not fool it.

This is because the OBD2 (On-Board Diagnostics, second generation) per spec
is supposed to determine if any "emissions related" system fail. Evidently,
the trans being in the correct gear was brought in under this requirement,
and now you have to trick the system.

Check wiring diagrams to determine where the other end of the lockup
solenoid is terminated. I believe it should be to a battery potential node.
This may or may not be a "switched" node (either hard wired to battery
"positive" terminal, or switched via a relay). In this case, you want to
terminate your "dummy" load to the same one as the TC solenoid.

The impedance of these solenoids should be around 14 ohms, giving about an
amp of current when energized. The power dissipation will thus be about 14
watts, so I would go for a 25 to 30 watt resistor or that puppy will be
getting HOT! Use a 4 watt and you will have heat and maybe a fire--don't
want that.

If the OBD2 gets you, and it is using the solenoid signature recognition,
then you can get yourself another dummy shift solenoid and mount it
somewhere where it won't cause any problems. If you have a '95, I'd say
you've got a good chance of fooling it with a resistor.

The hookup you show below is incorrect; it should be like this:
1
C o------------[SOLENOID]-------[RELAY]-----[Battery +]
EECV --o |
o----------[DUMMY LOAD]----'
2

Note the common terminal (connects to the controller) will connnect as
normal when in position 1. In position 2, the dummy is connected and the
torque converter lockup will not be applied. Operating the switch when the
solenoid is active will start some nasty transients which will not be good
for either the EEC or the switch. A power zener diode (or a MOV) from the
terminals 1 and 2 to ground will help cut the transients, making life a
little easier for the driver inside the EEC. Pick a breakdown voltage of 27
to 50 volts. If you can find energy ratings on these, pick one greater than
100mJ.

Good luck. Be sure to look over your wiring before proceeding with this.
Sorry it took so long to respond, but I've been busy. I did read some other
cautions on this subject regarding extra heat generated by the converter
when it is not allowed to lock, and these may be very good points. A device
like the interceptor would probably be a better bet. I believe that Level
10 makes a chip to reprogram the shifting for AODE trannies, but it's going
to cost more.

Dave

- -----Original Message-----
From: Giddens, Scott [mailto:sgiddens ball.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 4:50 PM
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Torque Converter Lock Control

>I really wish it was that easy for my '95 E4OD. Somebody, I forgot
>who, posted the same solution for the later model E4OD's like mine using a
4
>watt resistor to fool the computer so the "check engine" light will not
come
>on.

>I printed out the posting but was a little confused about where the
>resistor goes. Like if it is switched in line to the purple wire with the
>yellow strip wire or if it is to ground.
>
>If someone could confirm this diagram showing the terminals of a
>single pole/double throw switch.
>
>purple wire w/
>yellow stripe
>from computer------- [1] [C] [2]---vvvvv---14 ohm resistor
> | to
>ground
> |
> purple wire w/
> yellow stripe
> to transmission
> (TC solenoid)
>
>Scott
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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 17:34:20 -0800
From: Dana Bartholomew
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Front brakes

I changed pads, shoes and rear drums Thursday. Rotors were within specs
and had absolutely no scratches or grooves. I was very thorough during
the install but I am experiencing a strong "brake smell" when I stop. I
noticed it last night when I got home from work. I hadn't been driving
aggressively either. I got out of the truck and could smell brakes. I
stuck my head between the tire and fender of each wheel and it was
definitely coming from the two front brakes. They don't feel like they
are dragging but I haven't checked it out yet. Is this normal for new
pads. I've never smelled brakes after a brake job before.

I'm replacing my master cylinder tomorrow so I'll jack up the front and
see if there is any drag on the front wheels. Any ideas anyone?
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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 21:37:42 -0500
From: "Christopher Maher"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Front brakes

Happens to me everytime I replace the front pads on my truck (89 F150 4x4).
The new pads will smell a bit till they seat into the rotors. Don't make
too many hard stops and get them too hot until they break in. You may want
to tighten up on the rear adjusters too, just in case the fronts are doing
all the work.

Christopher T. Maher
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From: Dana Bartholomew
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: February 13, 1999 8:35 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Front brakes


>I changed pads, shoes and rear drums Thursday. Rotors were within specs
>and had absolutely no scratches or grooves. I was very thorough during
>the install but I am experiencing a strong "brake smell" when I stop. I
>noticed it last night when I got home from work. I hadn't been driving
>aggressively either. I got out of the truck and could smell brakes. I
>stuck my head between the tire and fender of each wheel and it was
>definitely coming from the two front brakes. They don't feel like they
>are dragging but I haven't checked it out yet. Is this normal for new
>pads. I've never smelled brakes after a brake job before.
>
>I'm replacing my master cylinder tomorrow so I'll jack up the front and
>see if there is any drag on the front wheels. Any ideas anyone?
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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 20:49:21 -0600
From: "Chuck"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - E4OD interceptor

>
> I just got back to work after a day off and
> read all the posts about the
> TC lock-up disable. I agree that disabling
> while in OD may create added
> heat from the hydrualic action of the TC but
> I only disable when in
> town, if I get to OD speed I enable the
> lock-up. Since I have installed
> the ATG "interceptor I have not disabled the


where can the Interceptor be purchased? what auto parts
stores?




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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 19:05:43 -0800
From: Dana Bartholomew
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - E4OD interceptor

Chuck wrote:
>
>
> where can the Interceptor be purchased? what auto parts
> stores?

I'm not sure what stores carry them. I'm in Las Vegas and I don't think
they had any local vendors in my area. I ordered mine directly from
ATG. They're at-http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.atg-autotrans.com/
>
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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 19:16:40 -0800
From: Dana Bartholomew
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Front brakes

Christopher Maher wrote:
>
> Happens to me everytime I replace the front pads on my truck (89 F150 4x4).
> The new pads will smell a bit till they seat into the rotors. Don't make
> too many hard stops and get them too hot until they break in. You may want
> to tighten up on the rear adjusters too, just in case the fronts are doing
> all the work.
>
> Christopher T. Maher

Yeah, that's kinda what I was thinking. I just talked with some friends
here at work and they said the same thing. I know my master cylinder is
bad too. It's bypassing fluid internally and maybe it's not allowing
the pressure to release from the front pistons like it should. I'll
know more once I change out the MC. I may pop a wheel off tomorrow and
take a look at the pads to make sure they haven't been glazed.

Thanks,

Dana B
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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 20:33:56 -0800 (PST)
From: rokkinhorse webtv.net
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: CNN poll no longer?

This poll,for any who may have missed it,is asking for your input as to
whether or not more public lands should be designated wilderness area as
directed by the federal govt. As you all probably know,these wilderness
areas normally mean "off limits" to vehicles and possibly even
people(yeah,like the same people who pay the excessive taxes to maintain
it!!) who would seek to enjoy it. I hope you will visit this site and
assert your opinions for all to see.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.cnn.com/TECH/science/9902/09/utah.wilderness.enn

Randy Goolsby-94 Bronco EB/85 F250 4x4

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 01:01:39 EST
From: Hitman6136 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Front brakes

you probably need heavier duty pads
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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 01:10:57 EST
From: DJ250r aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE: Fuel Filter on 94 F-150.......


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