80-96-list-digest Thursday, February 11 1999 Volume 03 : Number 040



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - Mass Air
Re: FTE 80-96 - Dealer service, or lack thereof. (kinda long)
FTE 80-96 - Battery drain
Re: FTE 80-96 - Mass Air
FTE 80-96 - New motor or new truck?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Two more items and I think I'm done for tonight...
FTE 80-96 - voltage
Re: FTE 80-96 - ATF service
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: off idle dead spot
FTE 80-96 - Groaning pwr steering
Re: FTE 80-96 - Two more items and I think I'm done for tonight...
RE: FTE 80-96 - voltage
Re: FTE 80-96 - New motor or new truck?
Re: FTE 80-96 - voltage
FTE 80-96 - Re: Parking brake freezing?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Parking brake freezing?
FTE 80-96 - New Explorer Sport Trac
FW: FTE 80-96 - Identify this
FTE 80-96 - Re: F150 w/ il 6
Re: FTE 80-96 - New Explorer Sport Trac
Re: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: A.R.E Tonneau covers and truck caps
FTE 80-96 - 351W Oil Pan
Re: FTE 80-96 - Dealer service, or lack thereof. (kinda long)
FTE 80-96 - Disabling TCC Lockup
FTE 80-96 - Timing chain Cover
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: F150 w/ il 6
Re: FTE 80-96 - 351W Oil Pan
Re: FTE 80-96 - Timing chain Cover
RE: FTE 80-96 - Disabling TCC Lockup
Re: FTE 80-96 - 1996 F150
Re: FTE 80-96 - E4OD interceptor
Re: FTE 80-96 - voltage
Re: FTE 80-96 - Dealer service, or lack thereof. (kinda long)
Re: FTE 80-96 - Dealer service, or lack thereof. (kinda long)
Re: FTE 80-96 - Mass Air
FTE 80-96 - Roof Rack
FTE 80-96 - Ford Performance
Re: FTE 80-96 - Dealer service, or lack thereof. (kinda long)
Re: FTE 80-96 - Dealer service, or lack thereof. (kinda long)
RE: FTE 80-96 - Re: F150 w/ il 6
RE: FTE 80-96 - New Explorer Sport Trac
Re: FTE 80-96 - '86 Oxygen Sensor Removal
Re: FTE 80-96 - Timing chain Cover
RE: FTE 80-96 - voltage
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re:
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: off idle dead spot

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Date: 11 Feb 99 07:25:16 EST
From: CharlesASkarsaune eaton.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Mass Air

I've got a 96 F150 4x4 with the 5.0 motor. I'm considering some
performance
parts, and I'm wondering, does this truck have mass air or a speed density
system?
Haven't looked in the manuals yet nor under the hood for the sensors, since
its at home
and I'm at work. Any body know?
Lots of info on the web for mustang 5.0l performance but not much on
trucks....


Thanks,
Chuck

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:42:51 -0600
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Dealer service, or lack thereof. (kinda long)

Christopher Maher wrote:

> Hey guys, I thought I would share this little tale with you all. Let me
> know if any of you have had similar encounters with your Ford dealer service
> dept.
> 1989 F150 5.8 liter. 146,000 miles. Back in November I developed a rod
> bearing knock. Rather than rebuild the engine, I chose to purchase a Ford
> (Hesco) reman. unit. I told the parts guy to get me a 1991 version so I

Hey Chris,
I havn't dealt with the dealer much. One time I left my bronco
there for an alignment at 7:00 a.m. Never told me the guy they
have work onthe bigger trucks was sick. So at 4:00 p.m. I called
and said I'm coming to get my truck. Also they're parts department
sucks as well. Not only do they never have anything in stock but
they order the wrong damn parts. I only go there when I have too.
Like the latest thing last week. I was looking for new vacuum lines.
The other ones gave out after 16 short years. :-) No parts stores
had it, and the parts manager at Ford was full of words and said,
" Good luck finding it ". So I ended up using 1/8" line that my
air shocks use for the air line.

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Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Terrains
'92 Mstng 5.0L
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:17:04 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Battery drain

Doug Mc Guinn writes: >> I did notice when I put the new battery in, that when
I conected the negative terminal, there were a few sparks and a sizzling sound
when I touched the cable to the terminal. Is this normal, or is it a sign that
something is pulling juice off the battery, even though the switch was off?

NOT normal. Got a problem. Start removing fuses or disconnecting things until
the popping/frying goes away to discover the problem circuit, then isolate it,
and start your search for the culprit. Some very slight arc is to be expected
because most late model vehicles have memory chips and a clock that has memory
built in, but the battery should last at least a month or longer with just
these.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:31:18 -0500
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Mass Air

CharlesASkarsaune eaton.com wrote:
>
> I've got a 96 F150 4x4 with the 5.0 motor. I'm considering some
> performance
> parts, and I'm wondering, does this truck have mass air or a speed density
> system?
> Haven't looked in the manuals yet nor under the hood for the sensors, since
> its at home
> and I'm at work. Any body know?
> Lots of info on the web for mustang 5.0l performance but not much on
> trucks....
>
> Thanks,
> Chuck
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All 96s had mass air!
Chris
94 Lightning#381
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:06:17 -0600
From: Ron Madurski
Subject: FTE 80-96 - New motor or new truck?

I have a '85 F250 4x4 Ext. Cab Diesel with about 340K miles on the
original motor. It has had a slight rod knock since I bought it about 2
years ago. In the last 2 weeks it has gotten progressively worse and
now I can not only hear it but I can feel it. The body is pretty rough
but I have new fenders and cab corners to put on it.

I need it to be more reliable than it is right now (ie. It may be doing
some long distance hauling the next few months as I move to WV). I am
contemplating replacing the truck with a different one (not necessarily
newer, but different). Unfortunately, the 4x4 Ext. Cab Diesel combo is
a bit hard to come by in my price range (up to around $12K). I can find
them higher and a lot lower (read that as high mileage already). The
configuration is not up for debate, I like having the 4x4 and use it
several times/month for various things. I need the Ext. cab to haul the
kids around, and the diesel is necessary for towing the race car and
club trailer (I know a gas engine will do it, but not at 18-20 MPG). Oh
yeah, I also want it to have a manual transmission.

You can see a piece of the truck at
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.neokla-scca.org/rallyx299/Image12.jpg this was at our
January RallyCross event. There are pictures of me stuck in the mud
with the trailer behind it somewhere but I can't find them :-)

I have a good bit of money invested in the truck already:

$2000 to buy it.
$ 600stereo
$ 300tires
$ 400new bed and bumper
$ 100hitch and trailer brake controller
$1500overdrive from Advance Adapters

If it were not knocking so badly I would probably get out of it what I
have into it (based on the prices of similar trucks in this area). I
can get a freshly rebuilt 6.9L for $3400, plus another $750 if I don't
feel like installing it myself (I will probably do the install myself if
time permits). For that $750 I could get new seats and carpet and a new
engine hoist. The rebuilt unit is a complete engine including Fuel Inj
pump, Fuel injectors, glow plugs, glow plug controller, heads, oil
cooler, water pump, pan, sleeved cylinders, new valve springs, new
valves, and new pistons.

I would never be able to recoup the cost of this motor if I sold the
truck.

The alternative is to buy a truck with a bunch of miles on it again.
I've got one to look at on Thursday (He lives about 150 miles away and
is going to meet me halfway). It is an 88 with 166K miles on it. He
says the body is a little rough, no rust but it's been dented on one
fender and one side of the bed, apparently it was bumped into a cow or
two :-) He is asking $6000 for it.

So, all that being said. What would you do? and, if you think getting
a different truck would be the route to take, do you have any opinions
on what years to gravitate towards or avoid?

Thanks for your time.

Ron Madurski
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:36:56 -0600
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Two more items and I think I'm done for tonight...

Harris, Scott wrote:

> Item #2
> My door panels as well as the rest of the plastic pieces on my '85 are
> really sick looking due to the oxidation and degradation of the plastic over
> the years. At one time I paid $140 dollars for replacement door panels and
> they had to be the ugliest things I had seen. They failed to mention that
> they weren't returnable.

Scott,
Of all places try Home Depot. They have a spray(~$2.50 a can)
that is made for vinyl. I have seen the results on a buddies truck
he is redoing. He cleaned up and sprayed his visors. They look
excellent and still have that soft vinyl feel. Also, he used it on his
door panels. The arerests still have the soft feeling and the doorpanel
looks great. Yes eventually it will start to scrape off but so will
anything else that is used(IMHO). And for $2.50 a can I don't see
how ya coul go wrong. I am going to do my door panels, visors,
and trim with the stuff. My $0.0000002

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Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Terrains
'92 Mstng 5.0L
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:43:16 -0500
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: FTE 80-96 - voltage

My voltage gauge in my truck(94 Lightning) falls down in between the N
and the O in normal at night when I have my headlights on and my blower
on at the same time. First off is this normal? Or do I have a voltage
regulator problem? This only happens at idle, like at a light as soon as
I hit the gas it jumps right back up to the L in normal.
Thanks
Chris
94 Lightning #381
NLOC #238
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:33:59 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - ATF service

>A friend just got a 1994 E-250 diesel w/E4OD. He also got the last
>service bill from the garage the previous owner used. The van has about
>100,000 miles on it. We see from the bill that they put in synthetic
>motor oil (which is a no-no),

Why is this a no-no ? The 'stangers run it all the time, so does my
roommate (5.8L 120,000+ miles) ... or do you mean they just ran a straight
motor oil, not one designed for a diesel ?


>Is a filter change w/out fluid change of much use?

If they didn't filter the fluid before putting it back, probably not. It
will just clog the new filter up right away. If they did filter it before
putting it back in, then its probably okay. Most of the reason for
changing the oil is not because its worn out, but because its dirty, so
cleaning the oil and putting it back should cause no harm unless they can
tell it was burnt or "worn out"


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:34:55 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: off idle dead spot

>I have a '93 F150 with a 4.9L six. The first motion of the accelerator
>causes the rpm to dip before it climbs. I've changed plug wires, plugs, cap,
>rotor, air filter and throttle position sensor. The problem is still there
>but the motor seems strong, for a six, in every other way. It's hard to
>drive smoothly when I don't put my foot in it hard enough to get past this
>dead spot just off idle. Makes for lousy mileage too.
>
>Thanks for any ideas, Greg
>
You don't say how many miles are on this motor, but have you checked the
vaccuum? Also might check the timing and timing chain. My truck did this
(360 4V) for a while, finally turned out the timing chain was way out of
spec, its much better now .... :)


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:40:20 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Groaning pwr steering

Tom writes: >> I have some Dexron II automatic transmission fluid and some
Castrol power steering fluid. Are either of these acceptable or must I go get
some Type F Automatic Transmission fluid? Also, does the groaning indicate a
need for a rebuild or replace of the power steering unit?

I use whatever is handiest most of the time, and I do not buy specifically
"power steering fluid". In fact I've never owned any "power steering fluid"
Type F is a bit thinner than Dexron but either should work.

The groaning is probably because the belt is too tight!! Have you adjusted it
lately??? Power steering pumps need only be tight enough not to slip. They
need not be nearly as tight as an alternator belt. Overtightening the power
steering belt is probably the biggest cause of power steering pump failure. The
front bushing goes then the front seal- then the pump burns up from running with
no lubricant or you quit driving it because of the stiff steering problems until
you can get it repaired/replaced.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.



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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:56:20 -0600
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Two more items and I think I'm done for tonight...

Rick Wojciechowski wrote:

> Scott,
> Of all places try Home Depot. They have a spray(~$2.50 a can)
> that is made for vinyl. I have seen the results on a buddies truck
> he is redoing. He cleaned up and sprayed his visors. They look
> excellent and still have that soft vinyl feel. Also, he used it on his
> door panels. The arerests still have the soft feeling and the doorpanel
> looks great. Yes eventually it will start to scrape off but so will
> anything else that is used(IMHO). And for $2.50 a can I don't see
> how ya coul go wrong. I am going to do my door panels, visors,
> and trim with the stuff. My $0.0000002

Oh I failed to mention preperation. Soap and water and scuff
them up with either a 000 steelwool or a scouring pad to get rid
of any loose existing paint.
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Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Terrains
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale or back to the leasing dealer in March :-) :-))


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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:55:44 -0700
From: "Giddens, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - voltage

Chris,

My '95 F-150 5.8 L does the exact same thing.

It drops at a stop light, at night, lights on, and the blower on when the
motor is idling. I have the E4OD trans and when I put it in neutral it jumps
back up also. The dash lights don't dim and that is really what I look for
as far as a voltage problem, Those gauges are worthless.

I was concerned for a while but I figured as long as it continues to start
in the morning it was OK.

Scott

> -----Original Message-----
> From:Garr&Pam [SMTP:garrpam netgsi.com]
> Sent:Thursday, February 11, 1999 8:43 AM
> To:80-96
> Subject:FTE 80-96 - voltage
>
> My voltage gauge in my truck(94 Lightning) falls down in between the N
> and the O in normal at night when I have my headlights on and my blower
> on at the same time. First off is this normal? Or do I have a voltage
> regulator problem? This only happens at idle, like at a light as soon as
> I hit the gas it jumps right back up to the L in normal.
> Thanks
> Chris
> 94 Lightning #381
> NLOC #238
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:57:31 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - New motor or new truck?

>
>So, all that being said. What would you do? and, if you think getting
>a different truck would be the route to take, do you have any opinions
>on what years to gravitate towards or avoid?
>

I guess I'm just an old stick in the mud, but I love my truck to the point
that even though I should have probably sold it off years ago, I'm still
workin on it, don't want to find another one even though the one I have has
very few things that I don't want to modify (things like 4drum brakes!) ...
Anyway I'd stick with one that I know the problems of, especially if the
money isn't really an issue, you know what your truck has, what's wrong
with it, and how its been treated the last x years you've owned it ...

But that's my free advice, which is probably all its worth...



Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:59:09 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - voltage

>My voltage gauge in my truck(94 Lightning) falls down in between the N
>and the O in normal at night when I have my headlights on and my blower
>on at the same time. First off is this normal? Or do I have a voltage
>regulator problem? This only happens at idle, like at a light as soon as
>I hit the gas it jumps right back up to the L in normal.

I would think this would be more of an alternator problem ... do you have
under drive pulleys on ? Its not creating enough to keep the charge on the
battery, it could be the regulator, but since it comes back when you step
on the gas it seems like more of a supply problem ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:17:33 -0600
From: "Stephen W. Hansen"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Parking brake freezing?

Here in North Dakota, it is a well known fact that on days where the
temperature goes above 30 degrees and all the snow starts turning into
water, AND the temperature falls to well below freezing that night, DO NOT
set your parking brake! the moisture freezes the shoe to the drum and is
very difficult to break free. This also goes along with the washing your car
in sub zero weather and having the door freeze shut, and I have even seen a
car froze to the ground.
Good luck, Steve

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:34:28 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: Parking brake freezing?

>Here in North Dakota, it is a well known fact that on days where the
>temperature goes above 30 degrees and all the snow starts turning into
>water, AND the temperature falls to well below freezing that night, DO NOT
>set your parking brake! the moisture freezes the shoe to the drum and is
>very difficult to break free. This also goes along with the washing your car
>in sub zero weather and having the door freeze shut, and I have even seen a
>car froze to the ground.


Here in Iowa you have to add in the lock in your hubs BEFORE it ices over
or you'll never get them moved! Just had to do this an hour ago because it
started raining, then freezing ... and then snow and sleet ... supposedly
its stopped for now ...


Just my 2cents

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:54:34 EST
From: BRIGANDBAR aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - New Explorer Sport Trac

The Lousiville (KY) Courier-Journal newspaper had an article on the new
Explorer Sport Trac today. Its kind of a cross between an SUV and a Pickup
truck. Its going to be built at the Louisville plant.

The truck will be on an Explorer/Ranger platform, they are moving the Ranger
line out of the Louisville plant to another location and substituting the
Sport Trac in that production line. It will apparently be an Explorer up to
the second seat (4 dr. with a full rear seat) and a small pickup bed in the
back. I can't tell from the picture whether it will be a single body like the
old Ranchero/El Camino, or whether the cargo bed will be a separate unit, but
I'm assuming it will be the separate unit to avoid the fracture point and
structural integrity problems experienced by the Ranchero. Engine and drive
train will be the Explorer/Ranger series. The bed in the rear is listed as
4.5 feet, shorter than the short bed full size or Ranger pickups.

I'm guessing that it will go more towards the Mall Mom's and urban cowboys
that like the idea of having a place to carry things that would stain the
inside of an Explorer, or emit fumes, and the "Lightening" or stepside pickup
group that like the appearance of a pickup.

I'm more into needing a heavy duty (F-350 Powerstroke 4x4) pickup on the
ranch, and the FS Bronco for off road wheeling, but I've got an Explorer for a
company car, and it does that job well.

Now if they would only get their proverbial rears in gear on the Excursion,
they'd have an undefeatable line of trucks.

Steve
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:05:00 -0600
From: "Gourde, Darrin"
Subject: FW: FTE 80-96 - Identify this

I sent this yesterday but it didn't make the list.
_____________________

Wayne,

The transmission code on my 94 pick-up is "U" also and the dealership told
me it is a AODE. On the window sticker when it was new, one of the line
items was "AODE Discount" and I think it was $-176.00 so I assume this means
the AODE was $176.00 less money than the E4OD.

Darrin



Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 18:09:17 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Identify this

Gang,
Here we go again. I have been having trouble identifying the trans. I have
in
my truck. The transmission code on the door sticker is "U". The only number
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:20:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Ryan Reinke
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: F150 w/ il 6

I am looking at getting a '95 F150, il 6, 5 sp, 35K, sb, rc, eb
package. (I loved my '85 Bronco II w/v6 5sp...)

There are a few things about this truck that are causing a little
suspision. I recognized that a front quarter panel had been replaced
(no one else would notice) and the front end has Warn manual hubs.
What makes this strange is that I was told it was just off of a Ford
lease program.

Any thoughts? I want a truck that can do some pulling/hauling, but
get a little better gas milage for a few road trips.

What type of performance parts are available outside of a K&N air
filter? Thoughts on adding a second gas tank?

P.S. Would around $14,000 sound about right?

TIA
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:34:40 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - New Explorer Sport Trac

At 10:54 AM 2/11/99 , you wrote:
>The Lousiville (KY) Courier-Journal newspaper had an article on the new
>Explorer Sport Trac today. Its kind of a cross between an SUV and a Pickup
>truck. Its going to be built at the Louisville plant.
>
If blueovalnews.com ever comes back up you can read about it there ...

>back. I can't tell from the picture whether it will be a single body like the
>old Ranchero/El Camino, or whether the cargo bed will be a separate unit, but
>I'm assuming it will be the separate unit to avoid the fracture point and
>structural integrity problems experienced by the Ranchero. Engine and drive
>train will be the Explorer/Ranger series. The bed in the rear is listed as
>4.5 feet, shorter than the short bed full size or Ranger pickups.
>
Is it shorter than a splash bed though ? Seems like from the pics I saw
that it was all one piece, not a unit body like the Ranchero/camino, but
still one piece on a frame ...

>Now if they would only get their proverbial rears in gear on the Excursion,
>they'd have an undefeatable line of trucks.
>
Amen!
Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:56:47 -0600
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: A.R.E Tonneau covers and truck caps

Ken Payne wrote:

> Dear Ford Truck Enthusiasts list members:
>
> We have a new advertiser on our web site. Since the beginning,
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> and the lists by checking out their site:

For all you guys with Broncos. It turns out they are just down
the street from me here in Huntsville, AL. I emailed them about
Bronco tops but they have no intentions of making a mold for us. :-(

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'92 Mstng 5.0L
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:18:19 PST
From: "Steve Likness"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 351W Oil Pan

I'm still scrounging parts for my new 351W to put in my '82 Ford F150.
Say, can anyone quickly tell me if the sump in the oil pan for this
application is front or rear? It looks like it should be a front sump,
but some of my pictures in the Chilton's look like it should be a rear
sump.

Thanks,

Steve

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:38:15 -0000
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Dealer service, or lack thereof. (kinda long)

I can agree that the dealership repair facilities are a bunch of hacks, but
at least at my local dealership, the parts guys are great. They have always
been real helpful (though sometime I have to convince them of what part I
need) and they usually give me a break on the price, especially SVO stuff.

Rade
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From: Rick Wojciechowski
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, February 11, 1999 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Dealer service, or lack thereof. (kinda long)


>
>
>Christopher Maher wrote:
>
>> Hey guys, I thought I would share this little tale with you all. Let me
>> know if any of you have had similar encounters with your Ford dealer
service
>> dept.
>> 1989 F150 5.8 liter. 146,000 miles. Back in November I developed a rod
>> bearing knock. Rather than rebuild the engine, I chose to purchase a
Ford
>> (Hesco) reman. unit. I told the parts guy to get me a 1991 version so I
>
>Hey Chris,
> I havn't dealt with the dealer much. One time I left my bronco
>there for an alignment at 7:00 a.m. Never told me the guy they
>have work onthe bigger trucks was sick. So at 4:00 p.m. I called
>and said I'm coming to get my truck. Also they're parts department
>sucks as well. Not only do they never have anything in stock but
>they order the wrong damn parts. I only go there when I have too.
>Like the latest thing last week. I was looking for new vacuum lines.
>The other ones gave out after 16 short years. :-) No parts stores
>had it, and the parts manager at Ford was full of words and said,
>" Good luck finding it ". So I ended up using 1/8" line that my
>air shocks use for the air line.
>
>--
>Thanks,
> Rick Wojo
> '83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Terrains
> '92 Mstng 5.0L
> '95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale or back to the leasing dealer in March :-)
:-))
>
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:34:52 -0600
From: Roger Lane
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Disabling TCC Lockup

I've seen postings on this list about splicing a switch into the TCC control
line.
I ran across the following information about doing just such a thing.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://207.87.26.92/garage/encyclop/ency16c.asp

Check out this site, lots of good info.

Roger Lane
Test/Support Analyst
(402)241-3570
Roger.Lane IBPINC.COM

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:49:38 -0600
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Timing chain Cover

Gang,
After cleaning and degreasing the heck out of my oil pan
and front of engine, it appears that its my timing chain cover
that is doing the oil leaking rather than the oilpan as I first
thought. So let me ask, what do I all need to deal with in replacing
the gasket. And any hints or tips are always welcome.
Is it a PITA job or pretty much straight forward easy, but
and just time consuming job.

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Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Terrains
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale or back to the leasing dealer in March
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:41:54 -0500
From: dave
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: F150 w/ il 6

Ryan:

I don't know anything about 4WD parts ; but I have not seen any
performance stuff for the 4.9L w/ fuel injection. Clifford's Performance
makes stuff for 6 cyls & 4 cyls , but as I remember it is for carburated
enginges. To see if the price is right check the Kelly Blue book , they
have an on-line form which is real good. The web site is
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.kbb.com/ . Also are there 4 year leases ?


Dave
86 F-150


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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:27:07 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 351W Oil Pan

At 12:18 PM 2/11/99 , you wrote:
>I'm still scrounging parts for my new 351W to put in my '82 Ford F150.
>Say, can anyone quickly tell me if the sump in the oil pan for this
>application is front or rear? It looks like it should be a front sump,
>but some of my pictures in the Chilton's look like it should be a rear
>sump.
>
If its like the older stuff it depends on 2wd or 4wd ... 4 is rear to clear
the front axle mess, 2 is front ... that's the way the old FE's work, I
wouldn't be too surprised to find it still true...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:30:47 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Timing chain Cover

> After cleaning and degreasing the heck out of my oil pan
>and front of engine, it appears that its my timing chain cover
>that is doing the oil leaking rather than the oilpan as I first
>thought. So let me ask, what do I all need to deal with in replacing
>the gasket. And any hints or tips are always welcome.
>Is it a PITA job or pretty much straight forward easy, but
>and just time consuming job.
>
Just did the timing chain on an older V8, not positive how similar it is,
but here's the things I had to take off :

water pump and pulley(s)
crank pulley and spacer and harmonic blancer
loosen brackets that attach to the pump and cover
fuel pump

Sounds easier than it is, but give yourself some time and it'll get done.
Don't forget to replace the seal around the crank (if yours works like that)


Just my 2cents

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:49:09 -0700
From: "Giddens, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Disabling TCC Lockup

This report claims that adding the toggle switch to disengage the TC lock-up
will "cause the fourth gear to burn up and ruin the front pump".

We have lived without TC lock-ups for years. What would make disengaging
them burn up your transmission? The last automatic I had with TC lock-up
burned up because of debris from the TC clutch pads and I was told to
disconnect it to avoid it happening in the future.

The article also only talks about GM vehicles and the quote above is from
GM's technical service bulletins on their automatics, not Ford's.

Scott

> -----Original Message-----
> From:Roger Lane [SMTP:Roger.Lane IBPINC.com]
> Sent:Thursday, February 11, 1999 11:35 AM
> To:'80-96-list-digest ford-trucks.com'
> Subject:FTE 80-96 - Disabling TCC Lockup
>
> I've seen postings on this list about splicing a switch into the TCC
> control
> line.
> I ran across the following information about doing just such a thing.
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://207.87.26.92/garage/encyclop/ency16c.asp
>
> Check out this site, lots of good info.
>
> Roger Lane
> Test/Support Analyst
> (402)241-3570
> Roger.Lane IBPINC.COM
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:07:59 -0500
From: "Matt Fitzsimmons"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 1996 F150

You can't. That maximum assumes the proper hitch. Also, to tow at this
weight you need to have the truck setup for trailer towing; trans cooler,
heavy duty cooling, suspension package, brake contoller, weight distributing
hitch or fifth wheel hitch and wiring package. There is a good chance the
truck came from the factory with some of this equipment if it was originally
purchased with the trailer package.
The tongue weights depends on the hitch itself, but generally you want to be
at about 10% of trailer weight.
Matt

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From: Dean A. Van Peursem
To: 80-96-list-digest ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, February 11, 1999 4:48 AM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 1996 F150


>I own a 1996 F150 with extra cab with 4WD and trailer towing package with
>5.8 L engine and Automatic Transmission(E) 3.51 rear end.
>
>Could you give me some trailer pulling guidance as far as weight and tongue
>weight limits are allowed for this truck. The manual says max GCVW is
>12,000lb and maximum towing capacity is 7,000lb. If I add a equalizing
>hitch how far can I extend this capacity safely?
>
>
>Dean A. Van Peursem
>Snohomish, WA 98290
>cma_dvp msn.com
>
>The early bird gets the worm!! But what if you don't like the taste of
>worms?
>
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:55:39 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - E4OD interceptor

Dana,
I am still trying to find out which tranny I have but I have quite a few
friends here that would be interested in that device. I'm sure some of the
other guys on the list would like to check it out too. Could you post the
address or numbers and who you spoke with. Maybe if enough of us buy it we
could get a group discount!!!
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside Supercab
"Hazardous Material"
Wayne's Flareside Page
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 19:24:20 -0500
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - voltage

My voltage gauge in my truck(94 Lightning) falls down in between the N
and the O in normal at night when I have my headlights on and my blower
on at the same time. First off is this normal? Or do I have a voltage
regulator problem? This only happens at idle, like at a light as soon as
I hit the gas it jumps right back up to the L in normal.

I would think this would be more of an alternator problem ... do you
have under drive pulleys on ? Its not creating enough to keep the
charge on the battery, it could be the regulator, but since it comes
back when you step on the gas it seems like more of a supply problem ...


No underdrive pulleys...was thinking about getting some though.
Thanks
Chris
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 19:16:46 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Dealer service, or lack thereof. (kinda long)

Sorry to say but I too have had a similar experience with large dealerships,
not just FOMOCO. But the only question I have is this, is the warranty through
FOMOCO or is it an extended warranty company? The reason I ask is, with the
extended warranty company, you can take it anywhere you want, not just where
you bought the part.
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside Supercab
"Hazardous Material"
Wayne's Flareside Page
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 19:27:24 -0500
From: "Christopher Maher"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Dealer service, or lack thereof. (kinda long)

Wayne, the warranty is through Ford Motor Co. Hesco is the company Ford
has rebuilding their engines (as well as transmissions, starters,
alternators, etc..). But Ford covers the warranty. In this case it's 24
months/24,000 miles.

Christopher T. Maher
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From: FLR150 aol.com
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: February 11, 1999 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Dealer service, or lack thereof. (kinda long)


>Sorry to say but I too have had a similar experience with large
dealerships,
>not just FOMOCO. But the only question I have is this, is the warranty
through
>FOMOCO or is it an extended warranty company? The reason I ask is, with the
>extended warranty company, you can take it anywhere you want, not just
where
>you bought the part.
>Wayne Foy
>'94 Flareside Supercab
>"Hazardous Material"
> Wayne's Flareside Page
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 19:28:58 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Mass Air

In a message dated 2/11/99 7:32:13 AM Eastern Standard Time,
CharlesASkarsaune eaton.com writes:

>

Charles,
You should have mass air as they went to it on all the trucks in '96. I have a
diagram as to what it should look like if it has mass air. Email me off list
if you want to take a look at it.
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside Supercab
"Hazardous Material"
Wayne's Flareside Page
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:48:40 PST
From: "Scottie Schmidt"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Roof Rack

Father announced today that we are going to fix his truck up to make it
an excellant work truck!! Does anybody have any plans for building a
roof rack???


Thanks,
Scottie Schmidt JR.



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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 19:37:36 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Ford Performance

Hey Gang,
Just thought I'd forward this note from my buddy at Ford Factory. It is a
refreshing note to let all the technical guys in Ford know that the
performance spirit at Ford is not dead and that more projects and such are in
the works. I thought you all might be interested.
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside Supercab
"Hazardous Material"
Wayne's Flareside Page

Thought you might be interested to know that the Ford performance scene is
alive and kicking. We have to fight the battle against the bean counters in
the company. This note is sent to all the members of the techteam in the
company. Anyway, how's the trans. going? I may be able to help research it in
a couple of weeks, we're still recovering from the blast damage, and as a
matter
of fact had another fire last night. Keep me posted fellow speed nut!

Regards,
Ron Balicki
Tooling Analyst, Cylinder Head and Piston Machining
39-09074
*** Forwarding note from GCOLEMA3--DRBN005 02/10/99 16:01 ***
To: techteam

FROM: Greg Coleman USAET(UTC -05:00)
Subject: Update

A lot has happened since my last note! We have taken delivery of the
production
Cougar bodies for SCCA competition. The Teams are starting the long, mad
thrash
required to get them on the track. 2.5 Duratec engines are scheduled for dyno
testing in the near future. This will open an exciting new chapter in Ford's
Motorsports heritage.
Another Racing Cougar has come to the surface! And YOU CAN RACE ONE TODAY!!!
Check out "www.racerboy.com" for all the details and some great pictures.
This is a fiberglass Cougar body on a lightweight tube frame that just looks
like a BLAST to drive, easy to maintain, and preliminary reports are that it's
VERY fast! THIS is the kind of program we need to see a lot more of.
There is also a ZX2 program in the works which will give Ford fans everywhere
a
reason to cheer! Details cannot be released at this point. I will keep you all
posted when information becomes available. Look out Neon!
A common theme through a lot of what we are doing is the Zetec engine.
This engine is being raced and modified all over the world EXCEPT the US!!
Any of you who have contact with high performance Zetec engines in naturally
aspirated OR boosted form, I need to hear from YOU! What kinds of parts are
available? Where do we get them? How much do they cost? Who is racing them?
I know that the global reach of this group can answer these questions.

Several of the "show" cars from recent events are being seen around Dearborn
being evaluated. The Merc Marauder, a Supercharged and lowered Windstar (!),
and several other performance oriented vehicles. Let your Managers know that
you support Ford performance vehicles as a way of demonstrating the Company's
enthusiasm and technical expertise. Let them know that CAR GUYS are alive and
well at Ford Motor Company!! We ARE making a difference!
Greg Coleman A PASSION for Great Cars!
SN95 Leader / LVC Core Team Put it in YOUR work!
Ph.# 39-01856 NMPDC 4107-C19 FME TechTeam - See "BB FME"
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 19:44:16 EST
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Dealer service, or lack thereof. (kinda long)

Say Chris can you get more of an extended warranty on these rebuilt mnotors (
even if ya gotta pay extra for it?
Bob
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 20:02:59 -0500
From: "Christopher Maher"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Dealer service, or lack thereof. (kinda long)

I don't believe you can.
Christopher T. Maher
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From: ROlson1039 aol.com
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: February 11, 1999 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Dealer service, or lack thereof. (kinda long)


>Say Chris can you get more of an extended warranty on these rebuilt
mnotors (
>even if ya gotta pay extra for it?
>Bob
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 20:08:56 -0600
From: "Anthony Rio"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Re: F150 w/ il 6

As for the price... I paid 15k for my auto '94 F150, In-line six, 2wd with
50 miles on it. Argent wheels, rearstep bumper, A\C and the two fuel tanks
(my favorite accessory. I know the new one's come with one big tank, but
there's something kinda' cool about switching tanks).

I have found my truck gets a little winded when towing my 18' bass boat (at
about 70 mph), but you can't beat an engine in a full size that gets 22+
mpg.

For the damage to the quarter panel... hey, it's a truck. Take it to a
local *good* body shop and have them put it on their laser guide to see if
the frame is straight (if it's not, keep on shoppin'. In my humble opinion,
once their bent they're never the same... period). I did something stupid
and was T-boned in mine and they had to replace the drivers side of the
truck, but the frame wasn't bent. That was in '95 (8 months after I got the
truck), and you would never know the truck was hit. Rides like a charm, and
doesn't make funny creaky sounds.

Also, if you are buying it from a dealer and the truck is under 36k miles,
so you should be able to extend the factory warrenty (especially since it
was leased). I know I may get flamed, but I am a big believer in the
extended warrenty. I paid $900 for the one on my wifes '95 explorer (we got
it used last year. Only had 34k on it so it was eligeble for the extended
warrenty) and figure the tranny only has to go out once to pay for the
warrenty (not to mention water, steering pumps, altenator, et.) I thought
it to be particularly important with the 4WD..

But that's just me...

Just my two cents...

Tony


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> [mailto:owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Ryan Reinke
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 1999 11:20 AM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: F150 w/ il 6
>
>
>
>
> I am looking at getting a '95 F150, il 6, 5 sp, 35K, sb, rc, eb
> package. (I loved my '85 Bronco II w/v6 5sp...)
>
> There are a few things about this truck that are causing a little
> suspision. I recognized that a front quarter panel had been replaced
> (no one else would notice) and the front end has Warn manual hubs.
> What makes this strange is that I was told it was just off of a Ford
> lease program.
>
> Any thoughts? I want a truck that can do some pulling/hauling, but
> get a little better gas milage for a few road trips.
>
> What type of performance parts are available outside of a K&N air
> filter? Thoughts on adding a second gas tank?
>
> P.S. Would around $14,000 sound about right?
>
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 20:10:23 -0600
From: "Anthony Rio"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - New Explorer Sport Trac

There are picture in this month's Car and Driver from the detroit auto show.
I will be going to the Chicago auto show next week and will take pictures
and send to Ken for the website if all the new ford stuff is there.

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> From: owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of William S Hart
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 1999 11:35 AM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - New Explorer Sport Trac
>
>
> At 10:54 AM 2/11/99 , you wrote:
> >The Lousiville (KY) Courier-Journal newspaper had an article on the new
> >Explorer Sport Trac today. Its kind of a cross between an SUV
> and a Pickup
> >truck. Its going to be built at the Louisville plant.
> >
> If blueovalnews.com ever comes back up you can read about it there ...
>
> >back. I can't tell from the picture whether it will be a single
> body like the
> >old Ranchero/El Camino, or whether the cargo bed will be a
> separate unit, but
> >I'm assuming it will be the separate unit to avoid the fracture point and
> >structural integrity problems experienced by the Ranchero.
> Engine and drive
> >train will be the Explorer/Ranger series. The bed in the rear
> is listed as
> >4.5 feet, shorter than the short bed full size or Ranger pickups.
> >
> Is it shorter than a splash bed though ? Seems like from the pics I saw
> that it was all one piece, not a unit body like the Ranchero/camino, but
> still one piece on a frame ...
>
> >Now if they would only get their proverbial rears in gear on the
> Excursion,
> >they'd have an undefeatable line of trucks.
> >
> Amen!
> Just my 2cents
>
> wish
>
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:09:11 -0800 (PST)
From: Brent McNabb
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - '86 Oxygen Sensor Removal

- ---Radoje Spasojevic wrote:
>
> I just used an open end wrench on mine, just be sure and clean off
all the
> baked on dirt from around it.

Mine's quite clean, even before I sprayed all the penetrant on it. I
tried to use a open end, which I found a 7/8s fits, but once I get it
around the sensor, I can't turn it. The wrench itself is 7 or so
inchesm long. Is there a shorter version of a 7/8s?
_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 21:03:36 -0600
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Timing chain Cover

Rick-
I did mine 2 Christmases ago and it was not that bad.

Actually, my front crankshaft seal was leaking pretty bad (about 1 qt every
400 miles) and that is what I tore into. Mu timing cover had to come off to
get to the seal, so then I had to do the timing cover gasket.

Perhaps your crank seal is what's leaking, but it looks like the timing
cover gsket. For the cost of a seal (about $12, as I recall) I strongly
recommend replacing it while you have the timing cover off. You will not
regret it.

I replaced my timing cover with another one from the junkyard from a later
model year to get what they call an external seal. The original '80 model
seal had to be removed and replaced from the inside. This later timing
cover (I forget the year, but I think early-90's) has the seal pressed in
from the outside... So, in the future when it leaks you can pry the old one
off and tap the new one in without removing the timing cover.

Tips:
1) The crank seal and timing cover gasket kit will come with a neoprene
gasket for where the oil pan mates to the bottom of the timing cover. Seal
the corners of the neoprene with RTV after you attach it to the pan and
cut it with a razor knife to fit in the space available. (It comes too long.)

2) Set the timing cover over the crank and start the oil pan bolts first.
Then start all the cover bolts, but leave loose. Start the crank pulley
onto the shaft to center the seal exactly around the crank pulley. Just
start the pulley because you need to have space behind the pulley to
tighten the cover bolts. Tighten cover bolts now. Then tighten oil pan
bolts last.

It takes time but is not that hard. Breaking the crank bolt off the front
was the hardest thing to do (it's tight and not much space to work).

At 12:49 11/02/99 -0600, you wrote:
>Gang,
> After cleaning and degreasing the heck out of my oil pan
>and front of engine, it appears that its my timing chain cover
>that is doing the oil leaking rather than the oilpan as I first
>thought. So let me ask, what do I all need to deal with in replacing
>the gasket. And any hints or tips are always welcome.
>Is it a PITA job or pretty much straight forward easy, but
>and just time consuming job.
>
>--
>Thanks,
> Rick Wojo
> '83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Terrains
> '92 Mstng 5.0L
> '95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale or back to the leasing dealer in March
>:-) :-))
>
>
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Jim Cannon
Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton
'63 Buick Riviera
'80 Ford F-150
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 20:35:36 -0600
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - voltage

Yes, it's ok as long as it goes back up when in neutral or when you get
RPMs back up.

At 08:55 11/02/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Chris,
>
>My '95 F-150 5.8 L does the exact same thing.
>
>It drops at a stop light, at night, lights on, and the blower on when the
>motor is idling. I have the E4OD trans and when I put it in neutral it jumps
>back up also. The dash lights don't dim and that is really what I look for
>as far as a voltage problem, Those gauges are worthless.
>
>I was concerned for a while but I figured as long as it continues to start
>in the morning it was OK.
>
>Scott
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:Garr&Pam [SMTP:garrpam netgsi.com]
>> Sent:Thursday, February 11, 1999 8:43 AM
>> To:80-96
>> Subject:FTE 80-96 - voltage
>>
>> My voltage gauge in my truck(94 Lightning) falls down in between the N
>> and the O in normal at night when I have my headlights on and my blower
>> on at the same time. First off is this normal? Or do I have a voltage
>> regulator problem? This only happens at idle, like at a light as soon as
>> I hit the gas it jumps right back up to the L in normal.
>> Thanks
>> Chris
>> 94 Lightning #381
>> NLOC #238
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 21:09:47 -0600
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re:

I thought about this today and a 1997 truck should not have an EGR problem.
(If it does, it is covered by emmisions warrantee.)

For this new of a truck, how about the knock sensor not working or wire....


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