80-96-list-digest Saturday, January 9 1999 Volume 03 : Number 004



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - My 92 F-150 Again...question about performance :)
FTE 80-96 - Got a set of Auto hubs and Auto start!
Re: FTE 80-96 - My 92 F-150 Again...question about performance :)
FTE 80-96 - No Longer Stuck in Park!
FTE 80-96 - Transmission problem
FTE 80-96 - test
Re: FTE 80-96 - Transmission problem
Re: FTE 80-96 - Transmission problem
Re: FTE 80-96 - Transmission problem
Re: FTE 80-96 - Transmission problem
Re: FTE 80-96 - Transmission problem
FTE 80-96 - parts links
Re: FTE 80-96 - Transmission problem
FTE 80-96 - Flashing Ck Engine lite at start up
RE: FTE 80-96 - After market remote controls
FTE 80-96 - Choice of thermostats again? Not!
Re: FTE 80-96 - Flashing Ck Engine lite at start up
Re: FTE 80-96 - Transmission problem
Re: FTE 80-96 - Flashing Ck Engine lite at start up
FTE 80-96 - checking flatness head/block

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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:12:09 -0600
From: "Dave Harmier"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - My 92 F-150 Again...question about performance :)

Got it back today. They fixed the problems (really bad cold idle,
hesitation) but I don't know about mileage yet (was 10.5 +or -).

It doesn't feel ANY more powerful though :-(

I'm thinking that at 177k I just MIGHT need a new Cataclismic perverter.
You know Cat. Conv. :-)

Thoughts? If I get it to run just a wee bit better...I'll be happy!

I don't REALLY want to do internal stuff...I'd rather save $ and get a 351
installed.

The Cat question is key!

Dave H.
dharmier gte.net
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Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 11:32:33 -0500
From: "Golly, Scott M"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Got a set of Auto hubs and Auto start!

Rick and List,

First, I have a set of Ford Automatic Locking Hubs for a F-150 Dana 44
front. They were taken off to put on Superwinch Hubs that are more reliable
but the auto's are in great shape. I would consider selling them.
gollys battelle.org

If you are looking for an auto start for a manual, Crimestopper does make
one. I have installed them on both autos and manuals. The system works
great and they are pretty cheap (200 -300 if you install yourself). Summit
and Parts Express both sell them. I would recommend going to Part Express
(on the net) and comparing prices but they will match prices. They also
make ones that go on diesels with glow plugs and wait to start lights. I
will warn you, these alarms and wait to start modules are not for the faint
of heart. They are tough to install if you haven't done things like it
before. I have a 1990 Ford F-150 and it was a time consuming tedious job.

Scott M. Golly
gollys battelle.org

Date:Thu, 07 Jan 1999 07:23:00 -0600
From:"Rick Wojciechowski"
wojciecr nichols.com>
Subject:Re: FTE 80-96 - After market remote controls

S Spaulding wrote:
> Rick,
>
> A friend of mine bought a remote starter for his 5 speed F150. He
had a
> Hell of a time finding one for a manual transmission, and no
installer
> would sell him one, claiming they don't exist. The wiring harness
ties

Thanx Steve. I thought it would be a little difficult.

- - --
Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud
Terrains
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)

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Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 11:40:11 -0500
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - My 92 F-150 Again...question about performance :)

Dave Harmier wrote:
>
> Got it back today. They fixed the problems (really bad cold idle,
> hesitation) but I don't know about mileage yet (was 10.5 +or -).
>
> It doesn't feel ANY more powerful though :-(
>
> I'm thinking that at 177k I just MIGHT need a new Cataclismic perverter.
> You know Cat. Conv. :-)
>
> Thoughts? If I get it to run just a wee bit better...I'll be happy!
>
> I don't REALLY want to do internal stuff...I'd rather save $ and get a 351
> installed.
>
> The Cat question is key!

Just remove it!!!! Or gut the insides out! If you plan on doing an
engine swap then you will probably want to do a dual exhaust anyway and
then you can worry about catostrophic inverters!
Chris
94 Lightning #381(for sale)
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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:50:34 -0700
From: "Gerald L. Hinkle Jr. CPA"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - No Longer Stuck in Park!

Thanks to the insight I received from my earlier post, I was able to solve
the problem at vertually no cost. It turns out a blown fuse related to the
ABS system was causing the problem. This is an important point to remember
folks.....If you blow your ABS/Tail light fuse your truck will be stuck in
Park until the fuse is replaced! Be sure to carry fuses in your truck! My
blown fuse was the result of corroded trailer light connectors. Again
thanks to all who responded!

Jerry Hinkle Jr. CPA
"RULEMAKER" 94 F-350 Crew Cab 4x4
"LTS-ROK" 80 JEEP CJ-5
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Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 13:45:07 -0500
From: "Skorupski Lesley"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Transmission problem

We have a 1992 EB Explorer and it is giving us problems shifing gears
(automatic transmission) in the cold weather. It typically only happens
once or twice but we are not seeing any other symptoms like gear
slippage during normal usage. Has anyone heard of this problem. We
know that there have been problems with the transmission but have also
been told that it could be something else???
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Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 10:54 -0800 (PST)
From: Rex Edmiston
Subject: FTE 80-96 - test

had a disk crash...building a new one
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Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 13:12:05 -0600
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Transmission problem

Skorupski Lesley wrote:

> We have a 1992 EB Explorer and it is giving us problems shifing gears
> (automatic transmission) in the cold weather. It typically only happens
> once or twice but we are not seeing any other symptoms like gear
> slippage during normal usage.

Lesley, I am no autotranny expert by any means. But just for the heck of
it I will tell the proper way to check the fluid if you do not know.
Start the engine and let it warm for a minute or two if it isn't already.
Then run the tranny through ALL the gears. With the truck running
check the tranny fluid level. What people tipically do is turn the
engine off and then check it. Well what can happen is the fluid in
the torque converter can release back out to the pan. Therefore
you are getting a fuller reading on the dipstick with the torque
converter empty instead of filled. You may want to try this if this
is not the way you checked it.

- --
Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Terrains
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale)


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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:02:07 -0800 (PST)
From: Brent McNabb
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Transmission problem

- ---Skorupski Lesley wrote:
>
> We have a 1992 EB Explorer and it is giving us problems shifing gears
> (automatic transmission) in the cold weather. It typically only
happens
> once or twice but we are not seeing any other symptoms like gear
> slippage during normal usage. Has anyone heard of this problem. We
> know that there have been problems with the transmission but have also
> been told that it could be something else???

What is the fluid level/condition? Could be low fluid level.
_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?

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Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 14:35:02 -0500
From: "Skorupski Lesley"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Transmission problem

We checked the fluid level and it doesn't appear to be low or leaking.



Brent McNabb wrote:
>
> ---Skorupski Lesley wrote:
> >
> > We have a 1992 EB Explorer and it is giving us problems shifing gears
> > (automatic transmission) in the cold weather. It typically only
> happens
> > once or twice but we are not seeing any other symptoms like gear
> > slippage during normal usage. Has anyone heard of this problem. We
> > know that there have been problems with the transmission but have also
> > been told that it could be something else???
>
> What is the fluid level/condition? Could be low fluid level.
> _________________________________________________________
> DO YOU YAHOO!?
> >
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Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 14:35:12 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Transmission problem

At 01:45 PM 1/8/99 -0500, you wrote:
>We have a 1992 EB Explorer and it is giving us problems shifing gears
>(automatic transmission) in the cold weather. It typically only happens
>once or twice but we are not seeing any other symptoms like gear
>slippage during normal usage. Has anyone heard of this problem. We
>know that there have been problems with the transmission but have also
>been told that it could be something else???
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The list that covers the Explorer is the small chassis
list (Ranger, Explorer, Bronco II and Aerostar). This
is the 80-96 full size list.



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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:44:26 -0800 (PST)
From: Brent McNabb
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Transmission problem

- ---Skorupski Lesley wrote:
>
> We checked the fluid level and it doesn't appear to be low or leaking.

When is the last time the tranny was serviced? Is the fluid a red
color, or is it brown, brownish red, or does it smell burnt?
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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 14:50:10 -0500
From: "Michael Redden"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - parts links

I thought I posted these (brain death must have occurred).
If I already did, sorry.
This is a SHORT list that will help locate parts

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.partsvoice.com/

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.4autoparts.com/

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.4autoparts.com/

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.dca.net/richardj/fd/ff.htm#Parts

Mike

redden enter.net
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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 15:02:24 -0500
From: Dave Slotter
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Transmission problem

>At 01:45 PM 1/8/99 -0500, you wrote:
>>We have a 1992 EB Explorer and it is giving us problems shifing gears
>>(automatic transmission) in the cold weather. It typically only happens
>>once or twice but we are not seeing any other symptoms like gear
>>slippage during normal usage. Has anyone heard of this problem. We
>>know that there have been problems with the transmission but have also
>>been told that it could be something else???
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>
>The list that covers the Explorer is the small chassis
>list (Ranger, Explorer, Bronco II and Aerostar). This
>is the 80-96 full size list.

Maybe I should switch lists myself. From the description on the web site,
this was for 80-96 Ford Trucks. I don't recall it specifying sizes, but
perhaps I overlooked that when I was subscribing.

I do know that I'm not seeing too many other BIIs mentioned here.

It might be worthwhile to review the web site and see if the differences in
the trucks are being presented in an obvious fashion.

I've still learned a lot from this list. :-)

- -Dave Slotter
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Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 12:50 -0800 (PST)
From: Rex Edmiston
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Flashing Ck Engine lite at start up

Hi all

Have '95 F150 5.8 SC SB 2WD - 120K miles.

At start up, engine almost immediately goes to very fast idle and
Check Engine lite blinks then goes out. 1 to 2 min. later, idle drops
way down then gets back to normal idle speed.

Gas mileage is down to 12 MPG from a consistent 14-14.5 MPG.

I know I'm due for a tune up but what's the above all about?

TIA........rex
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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 14:25:30 -0700
From: "Giddens, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - After market remote controls

Design Tech International sells a manual transmission adapter for their
models. It would seem to me to be as simple as making sure the transmission
is in park or neutral and closing the switch for the clutch pedal before it
will start the vehicle. The newer manual transmissions have a limit switch
on the shifter or transmission that will not allow the car to start unless
it is in park or neutral and they would just tie into the same switch like
they do the brake foot pedal switch and hood pin switch. It is a simple
mater to bypass all of the safety switches on the remote starters, they
basically leave it up to you to do it the right way. You would be very
stupid to do it that way but there is nothing stopping you from doing it.

I don't understand why you would need a kit to do so, just use the input
line from the switch pin that goes on the hood, wire it in series with the
park/neutral switch on the transmission, and the vehicle will not start
unless it is in park or neutral and the hood is closed. You may have to add
a 12 volt 30 amp Bosch relay wired to any one of the positive output wires
to close the clutch pedal switch when the unit is signaled to start the
vehicle. I would bet the manual transmission adapter that Design Tech Sells
is just a relay, a bunch of wire, and some splice connectors. Compared to
cutting into the ignition harness, removing a 1/2 inch strip of insulation,
soldering the wires to them while upside down under the dash, covering them
back up with insulation, and getting them to all go back into the harness
that is already in a tight spot under the steering column, it would be a
piece of cake to do.

I paid about 50 more bucks for the door locking kit for the Design Tech
remote car starter and it consisted of a connector, a bunch of wire, two
Bosch relays, and some splices. All I could have purchased at a local auto
sound shop for about 20 bucks.

The instructions for the remote door lock installation was crap also. I had
to get a shop manual for my truck to find the easiest wires to get to. They
told me to connect to the wires behind the parking brake. After removing the
parking brake, I discovered the connectors they wanted me to use were way up
inside the structure of the chassis of the truck and I could not get my
fingers up there unless I cut the rubber boot going from the door to the
chassis. After I got the car manual I found out that the same wires existed
in the passenger side kick panel and the only reason I figured they did not
tell me to splice in the wires there was because they were too cheap to give
me longer wire to reach that far. On top of that, Ford trucks are a positive
door locking system, meaning they don't just switch the ground wire to
initiate the locking solenoid like everyone else does. That would eliminate
the number of wires required to go from the chassis to the door. So I had to
buy two more Bosch relays to make a double latching relay that would switch
one after a pulse from the receiver box, then the other relay would close on
the next pulse. It was a wiring nightmare compounded by the lack of
information and poor instructions.

Thanks to Design Tech I could always become a car thief if I lost my job.
You get to know the ignition wiring very well from the experience of
installing the remote starter and their web site will give you the color
codes for the ignition wiring of every car made.

Scott

> Rick,
>
> A friend of mine bought a remote starter for his 5 speed F150. He had a
> Hell of a time finding one for a manual transmission, and no installer
> would sell him one, claiming they don't exist. The wiring harness ties
> into the parking brake, clutch switch, etc. There is a specific
> procedure for shutting the truck off. In fact, if you don't have your
> foot off the clutch when you shut the truck down, the remote won't
> work. This ensures that it is in neutral. Then, the system overrides
> the clutch/starter interlock to start it.
>
> I hope it never gets confused!
>
> Steve
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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 15:36:09 -0600
From: "Neff, Charles"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Choice of thermostats again? Not!

Sorry folks, I got in on this subject late and up until now have only been
listening... This is not about Thermostats ! I read one message where the
gauge temperature reading was consistently inconsistent. On my 1987 F-150
the temperature gauge has until now always been reliable and predictable in
its reading. Just before it went out, it did a similar work / no-work kind
of thing. Now that it is completely out maybe some one can help me and the
other person ( Mike ) by telling me what the voltage should be at the sensor
when it is removed from the block mounted sending unit. I have heard that
there is a reference voltage for the sensors... Is it the same for all. I
have tested the Cold and Hot resistance of the sensor and it is normal. All
that is left is the gauge and the voltage source feeding it. I presume that
if the gauge is "open circuit" then I won't get voltage at the sensor
connector just the same as if the voltage reference thingie is bad. Is there
just one voltage regulator for all of the gauges and if so where is it and
how can test it?


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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 17:19:02 EST
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Flashing Ck Engine lite at start up

theres a catalogue caled damark.. if you find them they have a cheap code
scanner for Fords.. (it also works on them other trucks we dont talk about in
here) but get that and run a scan on your truck.. there is probably a sensor
out of whack and if you get this thing ($25) you should find that even with
minimal mechanical experience, it is easy to figure out which shesor it is
and change it
Good Luck
Bob
ROlson1039 aol.com
Ok guys Im gonna go out and play in the snow !!!
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Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 17:53:57 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Transmission problem

- -snip-
>
>Maybe I should switch lists myself. From the description on the web site,
>this was for 80-96 Ford Trucks. I don't recall it specifying sizes, but
>perhaps I overlooked that when I was subscribing.
>
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>From the website:


We currently have eight discussion groups, with more planned.
Small trucks: Ranger, Bronco II & Explorer, all years
1997 & newer Ford trucks and vans
1980-1996 Ford trucks and vans
1961-1979 Ford trucks and vans
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1947 and older Ford trucks
Performance (all years)
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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 19:43:43 -0000
From: "Radoje Spasojevic"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Flashing Ck Engine lite at start up

Time to pull the computer codes I'd say, that would probably tell you just
about everything you need to know.

Rade
- -----Original Message-----
From: Rex Edmiston
To: 80-96-list
Date: Friday, January 08, 1999 8:56 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Flashing Ck Engine lite at start up


>Hi all
>
>Have '95 F150 5.8 SC SB 2WD - 120K miles.
>
>At start up, engine almost immediately goes to very fast idle and
>Check Engine lite blinks then goes out. 1 to 2 min. later, idle drops
>way down then gets back to normal idle speed.
>
>Gas mileage is down to 12 MPG from a consistent 14-14.5 MPG.
>
>I know I'm due for a tune up but what's the above all about?
>
> TIA........rex
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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 23:06:04 EST
From: JSC721 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - checking flatness head/block....


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