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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - Re: 300 Ticking.Should I change the gearing?
FTE 80-96 - 300 I6 ticking fixed.
FTE 80-96 - Wet Weather
FTE 80-96 - What is wrong with people today?!?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Choked to death ?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Choked to death ?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Truck won't start
Re: FTE 80-96 - Model years for dash mounted OD switch
FTE 80-96 - Adjusting Brakes
Re: FTE 80-96 - What is wrong with people today?!?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Adjusting Brakes
Re: FTE 80-96 - Adjusting Brakes
FTE 80-96 - Style
FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: An invitation to Ford world headquarters
Re: FTE 80-96 - 300 I6 ticking fixed.
Re: FTE 80-96 - Fuel, temp, oil guages going up and down
FTE 80-96 - Special Washers
Re: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: An invitation to Ford world headquarters
Re: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: An invitation to Ford world headquarters
FTE 80-96 - DOME LIGHT
Re: FTE 80-96 - Special Washers

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Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 06:05:31 -0800 (PST)
From: rokkinhorse webtv.net
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: 300 Ticking.Should I change the gearing?

Stefan, you can easily check to see of this ticking problem is
lifter-related by using a short peice of hose to your ear and holding
the other end on the valve cover while the engine's running.Run the hose
the length of the valve cover and you may even be able to narrow it down
to which lifter it is,on the valvetrain.The hose acts to isolate from
other engine noises. On the tires,I have discussed this at length with
the guys on the BigBronco list.My 94 Bronco is not lifted either and I'm
just about ready for new tires also.I now am running BFG Trail T/As in
30.5x 9.50s. I will be going to 32x 11.50s when I change them.I am also
going to be using my stock aluminums that are 7.5 wide. I have heard
from several guys that own Broncos,that any wider or taller will rub,and
even with the 32s,some trimming may be required on the air dam.Almost
for certain that the trimming will be needed for the 33s and maybe even
on the bumper.

Randy Goolsby 94 Bronco
EB 351W 85 F-250 4x4 460

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Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 12:33:59 -0900
From: "Stefan Rearden"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 300 I6 ticking fixed.

I found out what was causing the ticking on my truck. It was the fan belt.
I brought it over to a friends garage and when we took to belt off to check
the pulleys we noticed there was about an inch of rubber that had come off
on the bottom side of the belt, probably due to the cold weather. We
replaced it and the ticking went away. Guess I was lucky it wasn't anything
major. Thanks for all the input.
Stefan
Fairbanks Alaska

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Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 17:39:41 EST
From: AeroAce13 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Wet Weather

I have posted a question before about the idle being low on my truck in the
wet weather, again I had talked to my mechanic and he said it is the
carbueration and has something to do with the fuel/air mixture. I want to
know if rebuilding the carb will help solve this problem. Could the be a seal
or gasket in he carb letting in the moisture witch is killing the engine?
Thanks again.

Ed
F-150 XLT 4x4 Lariet
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Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 16:00:54 PST
From: "Casey Vandor"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - What is wrong with people today?!?

I know every time I write I have a problem with the truck but now I have
a problem with people. I parked my truck and left it plugged in so that
when it warms up around here I can figure out whats wrong with it. I go
up every couple of days and check on it to make sure no body has broken
it to it and such. I go up there this morning and some $&(! $# broke
the left half of my grill to pieces, busted a fog light and broke my 3
plug adapter all just to steal my extension cord. I don't understand
what in the hell drives people to do stuff like this. While if he had
just stolen the damn cord, I would have been mad, but to bust up my hard
earned property to get it sends me over the edge. Back home I don't
even think twice about locking my home, much less my truck. Here people
are so low as to bust up a good looking grill and foglight to get a 7
dollar extension cord! I just don't understand.

Sorry for the negativity, but what is wrong with people?
Can't wait to get back to a town with decent people in it.

Casey Vandor

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Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 19:08:42 -0500
From: troyw mfi.net (Troy Williams)
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Choked to death ?

On 1 Feb 99, at 21:03, RQTHOMSON aol.com wrote:

>Don't know if that year has a carb or not, but my 83 300 six was suffering
>similar problems. I finally found that the choke was shutting back off
>after a few miles on cold (

I haven't had this problem until I was out there fiddling with the
choke on it. Turns out that the choke wasn't closing all the way
when I would try and start, that's why it was giving me so many
problems on the cold mornings.

Next time it starts acting up, I'll have to get out and take a look at it
and see if that might be the case. Looks like our cold snaps are
over for this year though.

Thanks for the advice. Soemthing else to look for to try and get
this little PITA taken care of.

You might be a redneck if... You have a personal account of a UFO
sighting. - Jeff Foxworthy


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Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 19:08:41 -0500
From: troyw mfi.net (Troy Williams)
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Choked to death ?

On 1 Feb 99, at 20:19, Andre Roy wrote:

>> I've got something of the same problem on the really cold
>> mornings, which down here in Florida is around 40 degrees or
>> under.
>>
> :-) when it's -40 we can talk cold! ;-)

When it's 40 degrees down here, our vehicles raise hell in Florida if
they ain't got fuel injection.

>> I've got an '84 F-150, with a 302, about 90,000 original miles.
>>
>Not to pick on you or anything, but just a silly question I always
>wanted to ask, how manu UNoriginal miles? ;-)

90,000. I think the truck was garage kept. The thing only had one
rust spot on it when I had gotten it. The thing still had Ford
emblems on some of the hoses. There were a couple that already
said Motorcraft.

>> Anyway, the truck will run fine for a couple blocks, and then
>> afterward, if I let off the gas, the headlights will get real dim, and
>> the engine starts idling real rough. I am sometimes able to keep the
>> engine running, but then after maybe about two times that I might have
>> to stop, the engine finally dies on me.
>>
>My guess is that the head lights is just a symptom, they dim and stuff as
>the engine slows way down. My guess on this is icing. Does it take a
>couple of minutes to restart and then it's more or less ok? Especially bad
>in high humidity?

When it stalls it seems like the thing is flooding. I have to hold the
gas to the floor and try to restart it. Then it takes it a second to
start, it's pretty much fine.

>Then I guess it's icing. Check the crossover or heat riser or whatever
>it's called that pumps some heat to the intake. As the air passes through
>the venturi, the pressure lowers, and with the lower pressure, the
>temperature lowers and the humidity in the air gets below its' dew point
>and freezes.

Hmmmmm, I'll give that a shot, see if the thing runs any better.
Thanks for the advice.

>> You might be a redneck if... You stop and pick up furniture
>> others have thrown out. - Jeff Foxworthy
>>
>uhhmmm, what if you wear a parka while doing it? ;-)

Then that would make it a crime.

You might be a redneck if... You can't visit relatives without
getting mud on your tires. - Jeff Foxworthy


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Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 19:08:42 -0500
From: troyw mfi.net (Troy Williams)
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Truck won't start

On 5 Feb 99, at 8:30, Mike Johnson wrote:

>I have a problem with my 86 f150, I6. Yesterday morning it started fine
>but then later in the day when I went to start it, it was dead. I had to
>get a jump start. Well every time I turn on any of the lights it dies. It
>won't restart unless it is jumped. The battery reads at full charge on the
>meter. What could be causing this problem? My battery is only a year old.
>The truck is at the mechanic right now waiting to be diagnosed. Any help
>would be appreciated. Thanks a lot.

I am willing to bet that it's the voltage regulator. It will either be
mounted on the side of the fender near the solenoid, or it'll be built
into the alternator. I get the feeling it's going to be in the alternator.
If it is, then I would suggest maybe having the alternator tested out
at some place like Auto Zone or something like that to save from
replacing a part that might not need it.

You might be a redneck if... You own every Boxcar Willie album.
- Jeff Foxworthy


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Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 19:08:41 -0500
From: troyw mfi.net (Troy Williams)
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Model years for dash mounted OD switch

On 4 Feb 99, at 9:04, David Anderson (EUS) wrote:

>I'm going to the boneyards this weekend looking for Overdrive control
>switch that is mounted on the dash to the right of the steering column.
>My question is what model years have it. I know in '92 the switch moved
>to the end of the shift stalk. I'm thinking the dash button first
>appeared in about '87. It probably ties into when the E4OD was
>introduced. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks, David Anderson

When I test drove a '91 F-250, there was one mounted on the dash.
Maybe that'll give you some idea of what to look for.

You might be a redneck if... The day after Halloween you go
around town collecting toilet paper. - Jeff Foxworthy


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Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 19:37:23 -0500
From: Tom Gunby
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Adjusting Brakes

Replaced the rear brake shoes on my '86 F-150 today using the Haynes
manual with some input from the parts man at AutoZone. Am unsure about
the need to adjust the brakes after completing the job. The Haynes
manual indicates you adjust the brakes by "backing up and applying the
brakes" several times. The man at AutoZone indicated we should use the
brake adjustment tool to adjust the star wheel until the pads rub the
drum then "back off a little". Seems this would allow the
self-adjusters to complete their function a little quicker by not having
to adjust the shoes out from the "full-in" position but it also seems a
little risky if I don't "back off" enough and the new pads are left too
close to the drums to begin with. What's the correct way to do this?
Thanks.
Tom Gunby

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Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 16:50:53 -0800
From: Bob Kennedy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - What is wrong with people today?!?

Vent away Casey,

I had the drivers' side window and wing glass broken out of mine to get
inside the truck (door was unlocked, both sides) to remove a pull out
stereo, (they couldn't get the dash apart to get the brackets out) so they
left the radio on the front seat.

Total damage $250 for the drivers' side glass.

Some people's kids!

Bob


Casey Vandor wrote:

> I know every time I write I have a problem with the truck but now I have
> a problem with people. I parked my truck and left it plugged in so that
> when it warms up around here I can figure out whats wrong with it. I go
> up every couple of days and check on it to make sure no body has broken
> it to it and such. I go up there this morning and some $&(! $# broke
> the left half of my grill to pieces, busted a fog light and broke my 3
> plug adapter all just to steal my extension cord. I don't understand
> what in the hell drives people to do stuff like this. While if he had
> just stolen the damn cord, I would have been mad, but to bust up my hard
> earned property to get it sends me over the edge. Back home I don't
> even think twice about locking my home, much less my truck. Here people
> are so low as to bust up a good looking grill and foglight to get a 7
> dollar extension cord! I just don't understand.
>
> Sorry for the negativity, but what is wrong with people?
> Can't wait to get back to a town with decent people in it.
>
> Casey Vandor
>
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Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 20:06:36 -0500
From: "Christopher Maher"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Adjusting Brakes

Tom, adjust them till there is a slight drag on the wheel, then the
adjusters will supposedly do their thing when you back up and apply the
brakes then go forward and apply them again. I say "supposedly" because I
have yet to see a set of self adjusting drum brakes that actually do "self
adjust" I have always had to get under there and manually tighten them up.

Christopher T. Maher
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From: Tom Gunby
To: Ford Truck Discussion Group
Date: February 6, 1999 7:38 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Adjusting Brakes


>Replaced the rear brake shoes on my '86 F-150 today using the Haynes
>manual with some input from the parts man at AutoZone. Am unsure about
>the need to adjust the brakes after completing the job. The Haynes
>manual indicates you adjust the brakes by "backing up and applying the
>brakes" several times. The man at AutoZone indicated we should use the
>brake adjustment tool to adjust the star wheel until the pads rub the
>drum then "back off a little". Seems this would allow the
>self-adjusters to complete their function a little quicker by not having
>to adjust the shoes out from the "full-in" position but it also seems a
>little risky if I don't "back off" enough and the new pads are left too
>close to the drums to begin with. What's the correct way to do this?
>Thanks.
>Tom Gunby
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Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 19:08:17 -0600
From: bgarrett
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Adjusting Brakes

well you can use a brake caliper thingy to set outside diam. of brakes to
inside diam. of drum, but just adjust 'em where you can get the drum on and
it scrubs a little and over the next few days the shoes will seat up and
compress a little and when you back up they'll adjust ok, assuming the self
adjusters are functional.

Tom Gunby wrote:

> Replaced the rear brake shoes on my '86 F-150 today using the Haynes
> manual with some input from the parts man at AutoZone. Am unsure about
> the need to adjust the brakes after completing the job. The Haynes
> manual indicates you adjust the brakes by "backing up and applying the
> brakes" several times. The man at AutoZone indicated we should use the
> brake adjustment tool to adjust the star wheel until the pads rub the
> drum then "back off a little". Seems this would allow the
> self-adjusters to complete their function a little quicker by not having
> to adjust the shoes out from the "full-in" position but it also seems a
> little risky if I don't "back off" enough and the new pads are left too
> close to the drums to begin with. What's the correct way to do this?
> Thanks.
> Tom Gunby
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Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 17:19:58 PST
From: "Scottie Schmidt"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Style

Hi,
Anybody know what the 99 body style is for e-series vehicles(99 350
or old style)???
Can anyone tell me the body styles for the 86 to 96 F-150's compared
to the 1993 and 1997?? I already know those 2 styles.

Scottie Schmidt


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Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 21:00:14 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: An invitation to Ford world headquarters

Hi gang! I've got one heck of an announcement!

Ford Truck Enthusiasts has been invited to attend the 4th
Annual "Motorsports Open House" at Ford Motor Company
World Headquarters, in Dearborn, MI on Thursday, April 22,
1999 from 4:00pm to 7:00pm.

The invitation came from "Ford Motorsports Enthusiasts",
an employee club at Ford Motor Company dedicated to
promoting and preserving the Motorsports heritage of Ford.

We get a table for our members so I assume space is limited.
If you are 100% certain you can be there, please email me
immediately (kpayne ford-trucks.com) and let me know. I
have to RSVP our intend to attend.

Numerous Ford clubs have been invited in the past and this
is our chance to show our true colors!

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 21:11:26 EST
From: DJ250r aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - 300 I6 ticking fixed.

its allways the easy stuff lol
dwayne j
so cal dez
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Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 20:38:00 -0600
From: Jim Cannon
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Fuel, temp, oil guages going up and down

Mike-
What you are talking about is what I have designed. It is fairly easy to
find a 12 V to 5 V voltage regulator (it is a 7805). All Electronics may
not have it, but it is readily available. You need something that will put
out something like a 1000 mA to handle all guages going to max. I picked
one up at Radio Shack. It needs a pretty big heat sink. You also need a
couple of small capacitors. But easy to build. I've just not had time. You
are right, it has the potential to be a cheap replacement to the factory
orignal IVR.

Good luck. Jim

Mike Sloane wrote:
"OK, this is a shot in the dark, but I may have an inexpensive solution. I
happened to be looking for something similar, and I ran across the
following at
All Electronics Corporation

"DC-DC Converter. 5 Vdc, 1400ma. Watt Industries #XLCS2401. Input 4.5-5.5
Vdc,
Output 4.95-5.05 Vdc, 1000 ma. Provides a very clean, stable 5 vdc output.
2"x2"x.43" block with pc leads. Cat # DC-10 $3.75"

Can I put something like this in line with the IVR and attain a smooth voltage
to the dashboard? I realize that I might have to add a small perfboard and
maybe a case and hardware, but if it costs $5 for the whole mess, it sounds
like an inexpensive solution to the problem. It would be nice to find a 12-5
volt supply and get rid of the IVR completely, but All Electronics didn't show
one in their catalog.

Mike

Jim Cannon
Houston, TX
'29 Ford Model A Phaeton
'63 Buick Riviera
'80 Ford F-150
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Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 16:12:29 -0800
From: "Leo Mosley"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Special Washers

Hi Mike
I read your comment about the special washers for the valve cover gasket. I
assume you are talking about washers to go under the valve cover hold-down
bolts? If so, what are these washers like, and where do you get them. I have
a 302 that leaks around the valve cover bolts on the outboard sides. I
suspect these bolt holes are open to an oil passage, and that oil travels up
the bolts and out onto the top of the valve cover flange (I don't get
leakage from the gasket itself, which I have replaced). I have put silicone
on the bolts and reinstalled them, but the problem seems to come back over
time. These washers may be the answer.
Cheers Leo
1987 F-150
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From: Mike Sloane
Subject: 300-6 problems (was Re: FTE 80-96 - Vacuum Diagrams

Which brings me to the comment about Rick's oil pan gasket: I
would tighten the bolts on the oil pan, and then get a handful of those
little special washers to put under the heads of the valve cover gasket

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Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 00:15:02 -0500
From: Michael Ruth
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: An invitation to Ford world headquarters

HOw much? And what is the agenda? What can I expect? I would love to
go! Just want an idea... I can have the time...
Let me know please.
Mike Ruth
99 superduty F350 SC,PS,4X4 Lariat
94 Explorer E.B.
89 Bronco II XLT
89 Merkur Scorpio
88 Merkur XR4Ti
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Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 23:45:09 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - ADMIN: An invitation to Ford world headquarters

At 12:15 AM 2/7/99 -0500, you wrote:
>HOw much? And what is the agenda? What can I expect? I would love to
>go! Just want an idea... I can have the time...
>Let me know please.
>Mike Ruth

Its free. The agenda, according to what I received is that this
is an invatation open house event (isn't that an oxy-moron?).
According to them, it will be:

"This is your opportunity to become aquatinted, network yourselves,
and reach out for joint Event opportunities. "

I think we'll get a chance to meet many important people at Ford
or those involved in the industry. A Ford enthusiasts dream!

- -Ken

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Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 21:16:56 -0800
From: bob chaytor
Subject: FTE 80-96 - DOME LIGHT

HI ALL
I have been having a problem with my dome light in my 88 f150 . It works
fine when you open the door . Turn the headlight / interior switch ,the
cargo light comes on but not the dome light. It use to.
Now my 2 map lights beside it booth quit at the same time, they have
separate switches. But again the cargo and "door " light work.
Any suggestions .
Pretty bad I can totally rewire a 72 land cruiser but can't figure out a
dome light on these new vehicles
BOB CHAYTOR
mailto:berkleybob ampsc.com

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Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 05:53:16 -0500
From: Mike Sloane
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Special Washers

The washers are made in the shape of the space available by the indentations in
the valve cover - kind of a rounded "T" shape. I got mine in a little bubble
pack from a local auto parts shop and were inexpensive - maybe two bucks. They
spread the pressure more evenly, so that the metal is not deformed just around
the bolt head. I think mine were intended for a GM V-8, so that the holes were
tight, but they worked well enough (and I had two left over).

Mike

Leo Mosley wrote:

> Hi Mike
> I read your comment about the special washers for the valve cover gasket. I
> assume you are talking about washers to go under the valve cover hold-down
> bolts? If so, what are these washers like, and where do you get them. I have
> a 302 that leaks around the valve cover bolts on the outboard sides. I
> suspect these bolt holes are open to an oil passage, and that oil travels up
> the bolts and out onto the top of the valve cover flange (I don't get
> leakage from the gasket itself, which I have replaced). I have put silicone
> on the bolts and reinstalled them, but the problem seems to come back over
> time. These washers may be the answer.
> Cheers Leo
> 1987 F-150
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