80-96-list-digest Sunday, January 31 1999 Volume 03 : Number 027



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In this issue:

FTE 80-96 - Starting & restarting
Re: FTE 80-96 - Starting & restarting
FTE 80-96 - T C & trans grab
FTE 80-96 - Rear Main, oil pan gasket
FTE 80-96 - Re: Starting Fluid
FTE 80-96 - Re: compression check info needed
FTE 80-96 - Re: sucker for differential
FTE 80-96 - RE: TC refill
RE: FTE 80-96 - Starting & restarting
FTE 80-96 - Compression ratio
FTE 80-96 - New (To Me) Truck, Minor Problems
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 80-96 new engine start-up
Re: FTE 80-96 - My Dads 87 Ranger is hard to start!
Re: FTE 80-96 - New (To Me) Truck, Minor Problems
FTE 80-96 - ZF 5-speed update

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Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 08:22:11 -0600
From: "Chuck"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Starting & restarting

Situation:

When starting my '92 F150 in the morning, it starts just
fine, everytime!

When I get to work and sut it off for 10 to 20 minutes
or longer and sometimes shorter, it will turn over and
over but will not start, I then let off the key and try
again and again, THEN, finally it starts.

Any ideas out there?


SFC Dulaney
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Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 13:25:19 EST
From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Starting & restarting

run the computer codes a sensor is acting up
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Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 13:48:07 -0500
From: "PmctBaker"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - T C & trans grab

I posted a query asking advise about draining, and filling the T C, and
one about the "grabbing" in my C-6.
the TSB I stumbled across describes the "grabbing", by calling it a "grunt".
that during start and stop driving, the rear suspension "wraps-up" and
overcomes slip yoke-to -output shaft friction causing sudden slip
yoke/driveshaft movement which results in a "clunk" or "grunt" noise.
now, if Im reading this right , the "grabbing" I hear and feel coming from
the transmission, is actually coming from the output slip yoke.
2 days ago I chirped the tires while testing my new carb., and the
"grabbing" was gone.
this must be it, or is it? the trans is fine right? how much is a
yoke?

I could use some words of wisdom right now.

mike
pmbaker your-net.com
85 351

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Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 13:53:04 -0600
From: Geoffrey Schrag
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Rear Main, oil pan gasket

-Still have my Bronco apart, but I'm making progress!
Wondering if anyone knows if there's any way to get the oil pan off and get
at the rear main seal without lifting the engine. It doesn't look like
there is enough clearance? It doesn't look like the rear main is leaking
badly, but thought I'd replace it while I have a lot of other things taken
off. It does look like the oil pan gasket needs to be replaced.

Geof Schrag
1980 Bronco
351M, 4sp


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Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 11:03:35 -0900
From: "Casey R. Vandor"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Starting Fluid

Not to start a flame war here, but everybody starts out somewhere when
it comes to working on trucks, and though it would be nice, common sense
is something alot of people don't seem to have a whole lot of... I
agree theres no need for apology, but it is a good idea to warn people
about possible dangers of differnet things...

Thanks
Casey
>>>>>
I too sometimes forget there are kids on this list, like mine, who never

owned a car or truck before and you have to tell them to use common
sense
when they have a can in their hands that says "CAUTION: FLAMMABLE" all
over
it.

I have done this for years to check for vacuum leaks and so have all the

mechanics. Most starting fluids these days say right on them if they are

made for the fuel injectors or not. You can't be responsible for
inexperienced children who don't read anything they use and have no
business
around a motor.

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Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 12:06:54 -0900
From: "L WALTERS"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: compression check info needed

im in need of some numbers to check against , when I do a compression check.
what are the good readings dry, and wet?
what readings should I see when dry Vs wet.
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Consistency is the key to diagnosing compression. If all the cyl's are close
to one another that is good (wet or dry). When doing the wet check, this
tells you how the rings are (the oil seals the rings). as far as the numbers
go, couldn't tell you exactly but anything over 120psi is nothing to be
ashamed of.

my two pennies
Bart-AK

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Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 12:13:14 -0900
From: "L WALTERS"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: sucker for differential

now, im going to finish the flushing by changing out the gear/hyped oil.
I have a small hand pump that looks like a bicycle tire pump, I know it
will work fine, but is there a faster way?
I have a compressor, is there a homemade sucker I can make?
any ideas?
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Is this a Ford 9" you have ? if it is It's a good idea to pull the carrier
to wipe out the case if it hasn't been done for a while. Then you can drill
and tap 1/4" pipe on the bottom of the case for ease of future changes.

Bart-AK

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Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 12:15:03 -0900
From: "L WALTERS"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - RE: TC refill

I never fill TC after a fluid change, the pump does it for me. not saying
that it shouldn't be done though.

Bart-AK

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Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 16:04:08 -0600
From: "Chuck"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Starting & restarting

>
> run the computer codes a sensor is acting up

I'll check it out...

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Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 17:52:57 -0800
From: William Zellmann
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Compression ratio

Does anyone know the compression ratio of an '82 300-I6? I can't believe
that this info isn't in the TSM, but it isn't!

Bill Zellmann
'82 F100, soon-to-be turbo'ed
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Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 18:47:38 -0800
From: Vogt Family
Subject: FTE 80-96 - New (To Me) Truck, Minor Problems

Well, I finally went and got a "shiny" truck. It is an '86 F-250
diesel. It has dual tanks but I don't think the fuel gauge is working
quite right. It seems to have a tendencey to wander when full. It goes
from 1/2 to 3/4 mark, from 1/2 to 1/4, etc. Seems mostly related to
hill angle so I'm not too worried about that. However, when driving
home today I waited until the needle got below the E line before fueling
and the tank (rear) took only 9 gallons. I haven't had the chance to
run the front down yet so I don't know about it. Also, the gauge
position seems somewhat relative to temperature. Is there a known
problem or am I going to have to diagnose it further?

Birken
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Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 19:46:41 -0800
From: "Dennis R. Fischer"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: 80-96 new engine start-up

Randy

Thanks for the advise. It probably saved my bacon.

I did all the wrench work and had a shop do the machine work. During my
breakdown, I removed 6 oil expansion plugs. Unknown to me (and the two
reference manuals I used), there was a 7th that the shop removed. Needless
to say, the top end wasn't oiling to well with the 7th plug removed.

I chatted with the mechanic at the shop where my machine work was done. He
agreed with you completely. Always prime the system.

I see you live in LaCenter. I grew up in Vancouver. Lived there until
about 1971. My mother lived on some property, just outside of LaCenter
sometime around 1975-80.
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From: rokkinhorse webtv.net
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, December 29, 1998 5:42 AM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: 80-96 new engine start-up


Dennis, BY ALL MEANS prime the oil pump prior to starting it up for the
first time.I will take it a step further: Prime the pump before
installing the valve covers to confirm that EVERY lifter is oiling
correctly.When I did this on my 460 I did it before dropping the
distributor in to place with an electric drill motor with a slotted rod
attached to it,and it took several minutes to get oil up to each one.It
is MUCH easier to deal with a potential problem if it is sittin on a
stand rather than in the truck all buttoned up.Might save you a camshaft
in the process as well. Best of luck to ya.

Randy Goolsby,LaCenter,WA.94 Bronco EB 85 F-250 4X4"the Second
Amendment guarantees all the others"
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Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 22:59:02 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - My Dads 87 Ranger is hard to start!

Dave,
I would personally go to the local parts store and find a really good sensor
safe carb cleaner. I would then pull the EGR valve and thoroughly clean it and
the mounting surface. I would also clean any contacts for the EGR sensor or
switch. I would then put a fresh gasket on and reset the codes by doing the
terminal touch, push the brake pedal thing (See Haynes Manual). If that
doesn't work, then I believe it would be time to replace the EGR valve and go
from there.
MHO,
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside Supercab
Wayne's Flareside Page
In a message dated 1/29/99 10:35:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, dharmier gte.net
writes:


33, something about not sensing EGR opening. That is pretty ambiguous, at
BEST!!!
Does it need an EGR valve, an EGR sensor, or what? And is that enough to
cause the starting trouble? >>
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Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 22:37:03 -0600
From: GTH
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - New (To Me) Truck, Minor Problems

Birken:

Familiar with the dual tank mystery (88 & 89 F-150)...on both of mine
the rear tank will show full until vapors are left them plummet to
E....the front tank on both is fairly accurate other than the "way over
F" syndrome. It also seems to be affected depending on if you have the
lights on or not (lights on seems to give you 2 gal or so warning). Let
us know what you find!

George Hester


Vogt Family wrote:
>
> Well, I finally went and got a "shiny" truck. It is an '86 F-250
> diesel. It has dual tanks but I don't think the fuel gauge is working
> quite right. It seems to have a tendencey to wander when full. It goes
> from 1/2 to 3/4 mark, from 1/2 to 1/4, etc. Seems mostly related to
> hill angle so I'm not too worried about that. However, when driving
> home today I waited until the needle got below the E line before fueling
> and the tank (rear) took only 9 gallons. I haven't had the chance to
> run the front down yet so I don't know about it. Also, the gauge
> position seems somewhat relative to temperature. Is there a known
> problem or am I going to have to diagnose it further?
>
>
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Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 23:28:29 -0600
From: GTH
Subject: FTE 80-96 - ZF 5-speed update

OK 4X4 Specialties in New Orleans finally found a rebuilt ZF for my 89
(2wd). With a year warranty (from Ford), new clutch and resurfacing the
flywheel it will take $2268.00 from my pocket (this is up from 1873.00
for the 88's in 1997). I spoke with the parts department of LaMarque
Ford (who managed to locate it), they said that these were ill designed,
and that there was little anyone could do to prevent their failure
(except say have it rebuilt even when everything was going OK)..it took
5 days to find this one. Problem with locating them???? I was told: 1.
there are several different case designs (??) 2. when they
"self-destruct" they become un-rebuildable (Several parts houses/trans
shops told me this).

All you lucky automatic owners can now smile (this is within dollars of
the 8/98 rebuild on a 90 EOD4 that a friend owns).....but as the Ford....


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