80-96-list-digest Wednesday, January 27 1999 Volume 03 : Number 023



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - F150 Tranny & Start Porblems
Re: FTE 80-96 - T/C Lock-up/Overdrive Switch?
RE: FTE 80-96 - T/C Lock-up/Overdrive Switch?
FTE 80-96 - VALUE...1985 Full-size Bronco
Re: FTE 80-96 - Fuel Filters on F 250
FTE 80-96 - 8.8 Rearend
Re: FTE 80-96 - F150 Tranny & Start Porblems
Re: FTE 80-96 - looking to buy f150. what to look for
FTE 80-96 - Re: looking to buy f150. what to look for
Re: FTE 80-96 - TC Unlock
RE: FTE 80-96 - Strong Brake Vibration
RE: FTE 80-96 - Strong Brake Vibration
: FTE 80-96 - Strong Brake Vibration
: Re: FTE 80-96 - Strong Brake Vibration

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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 18:24:11 EST
From: RQTHOMSON aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - F150 Tranny & Start Porblems

If all you have to do is keep trying the key until it hits, then you are
probably right on the keyswitch. My old 83 is a bit stubborn on cold (yes,
below 40 is cold in south Miss. too) mornings. If you have time, you could
check the voltage to your solenoid on the cold mornings, but I know this is
difficult for us warm weather people to do. I have no idea on question # 2.
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 18:57:29 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - T/C Lock-up/Overdrive Switch?

OK Gang,

I, like Scott, have been following this thread and now, from what you guys are
saying, I am completely confused (that's happened a couple of times in the
last week). Anyway, from what you all have said about the E40D, I don't know
which trans. I have. My trans. guy says its an AODE, but I also have the
lockup convertor and a switch on the PRND21 lever to turn the OD on and off. I
know that the AODE (read P. O. S.) was the predecessor to the E40D, but are
the features really that similar or is my trains guy just telling me that to
keep me from having him do a WHOLE bunch of work to catch up on the TSB list I
have on the E40D.
And I remember Dana saying something about the OD Off light flashing on the
column meaning something but I cant find that post. What does it mean again?
And if I have that happening often I guess that means time to put it back in
the shop.
And since we are on the flashing light issue, what does it mean if the airbag
light on in the gauge cluster blinks for no apparent reason (as I am going
down the highway)?
TIA,
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside Supercab
Wayne's Flareside Page
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 19:15:11 -0600
From: "Baldwin, Dave"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - T/C Lock-up/Overdrive Switch?

Wayne,

Both E4OD and AODE were on the build lists for F150 with 5.0L engines. I
worked for Ford when I bought my '95, and I asked a guy in powertrain which
one I had. He said it could be either. I crawled under, and on the heat
shield next to the catalyst, was stamped "AODE".

Now unless they shared parts between AODE and E4OD, I'm pretty sure that I
have the AODE. What I've wanted to know is whether one can just swap in an
E4OD for a AODE. No one has been able to answer that question.

As for the TC lockup, chances are that if you simply use a double throw
switch, and wire in a dummy load of about 14 ohms (make sure you pick a
POWER resistor > 14W) you could fool the computer. You want to make sure
that you terminate it on the correct side, and double check if it's to
battery potential or ground. You need to check the schematic. Whatever the
TC solenoid is terminated to (supply or ground), you want to do the same
thing. If it's what I think it is, the solenoid is wired through a relay to
battery, and the other side goes through that wire you're cutting to the
EECIV where there's a power transistor that pulls it to ground to engage the
TC clutch. Be sure to check your schematics first! Things change.

Regards,
Dave Baldwin
Dallas, TX

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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:17:56 EST
From: CphgnCwby1 aol.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - VALUE...1985 Full-size Bronco

Hey guys,
I know it is hard to say, without seeing it, but does anyone know about what
the value, what YOU would pay, for this vehicle is?

1985 Full Size Bronco
Silver Out
Maroon In
Intrerior really nice, no rips, no cracks in dash
Exterior, pretty good, little rust
ENGINE, DON'T KNOW, WHAT WOULD, COULD it be?

The guy at the dealer has it listed as $4995.00


THANKS IN ADVANCE

BART
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:11:58 EST
From: CphgnCwby1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Fuel Filters on F 250

Yes, it is possible to have both fuel tanks with only 1 filter

I own a f-150 302 that has both filters, the second filter is in a canister
looking thing prior to the other one, and has 4 tubes going in and 2 going
out, it is in there, however, most people take these out and leave them out,
the government trucks are really the only one;s who left them in, but you may
want to check anyway.

HOPE THIS HELPS

BART
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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 19:19:42 -0500
From: "joe"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 8.8 Rearend

One of these days I've got to change the seal on my wife's 93 F150 SC. The
Haines manual is saying something about using a torque wrench to measure
the torque required to take the nut off, so you can preload the bearing
when you put it back on. I think they mentioned a inch pound torque wrench.
Is this practical using a digital model. Can anyone offer a little insight.

Thanks
Joe Phillip

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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:46:54 -0500
From: Andre Roy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - F150 Tranny & Start Porblems

Rick Buchanan wrote:

>
> 1. When my truck thinks its cold out ( low 40's here in Arizona ). It
>

really _MILD_!


> refuses to start until I repeatedly (20-30 times)
> turn the key or the sun comes up and it warms up a little. I had
> the battery check, I've tried jiggling the key and
> steering wheel, but the only thing that seems to help is to keep
> hittin the key till it starts. The only thing I hear
> when I first try is the fuel pumps whinning, no cranking, no
> clicking, nothing. Then I hit the magical try and the
> beast fires right up. Where do i start looking? Could it be a bad
> keyswitch or something concerning the starter?
>
Could be some solenoid or relay not engaging when cold. Could be. My
first guess would be with the ignition. I had a similar thing happen on
my Plymouth. But it wasn't temperature dependant. THere's a rod that
goes from the ignition lock (key part) to the switch. The rod on my car
sort of bent itself somehow. I had to reach under the dash to get it
started while cranking on the key. THe switch is on top of the steering
column, down aways from the lock. When you have the time, try hunting
around for it and the next time it's "cold" (hee-hee-hee!--it was -30
here last week) you'll know what you can try jiggling.

The reason I say this is because you can get to the "on" position, but
it just doesn't seem to get over to the "start" at the end of the
switch's travel.

If it isn't that, you'll have to hunt down the relay or whatever that's
not relaying (or whatever ;-)


Can't help you on the transmission, though.

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Andre, Somewhere ...
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 21:21:31 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - looking to buy f150. what to look for

Forward for: ACMERCG aol.com
>>
Jerad:

1992 is the first year of the second aero light/grille styles, and run a
little bit more money than earlier trucks. They also have a newer dash,
wh*ch
is nicer than the earlier ones. I assume this is why you're looking in this
age category?

I own a '90 F-150 standard cab, short bed, 4x2 with the 4.9l six. I wanted
to
note to you that it's actually an inline six, not a V6, but this is a good
thing - it's smooth, quiet, and easy to work on. I'm clumsy, but changed my
plugs, wires, cap, rotor, and filters today without much hassle and
absolutely
no bleeding - a first for me with any car.

The engine has plenty of power for me, but I'm not into drag racing or towing
big objects. It's as fast or faster than the '89 V6 Ranger I've driven, and
much more enjoyable to drive. If you're used to a four, you will probably be
happy.

However, don't take my word - go drive them!

Mileage: I just changed all my ignition parts and filters today (they were
the
factory parts at 56k miles) so take that into account. I've been getting
about 16mpg in mixed city and highway. I expect 17-18 after the work I did
today. The window sticker says that the truck should get 15 city, 20
highway.

- Erston >>
want to buy mine? http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ford-
trucks.com/pictorial/big/1992_f150_nite.html

New brakes, Superwinch hubs, wheel bearings (front), muffler, trans mount,
battery 6 months old, with Hi-rise cap and Tek-style tonneau, 86k, religiously
maintained.

Joe
Lost in Jersey

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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 21:23:11 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: looking to buy f150. what to look for

Forwarded for "David Anderson (EUS)"
>
>>I'm going to try to go for a 1992 f150, but would like to know of any
>specific things to look for in these trucks. In other words, your
>suggestions, preferably based on experience.

I too was looking for a '92+ model to get the updated dash and the OD c*ncel
button on the shift lever. The other main change is the restyled front end.
I ended up finding a nice '90 F150 XLT 4x2, E4OD and I6 at a good price that
I am very happy with. I even like the flat front styling a little better
than the 92+ models. The I6 is a very durable engine with plenty of power
for me. Gets about 14.5 - 16 MPG which I think is a little lower than
average (I don't know why). I like the E4OD and mine is OK but it can be a
troublesome unit (just read this list awhile). If you want auto in a '92 I
think E4OD is your only choice. The power windows and locks are nice but at
some point the windows will need new plastic gears. On any of these trucks
be sure and check out the transmission and the dual fuel tank system very
well before you buy. I don't have the 4x4 but there is lots of list
discussion on these auto hubs. In mine the AC is great and the heat is
weak. Both characteristics seem to be typical. If good used trucks are as
scarce in your area as they are mine, I'd go into this looking at all
available trucks. You'll learn allot and you may find the small differences
in trucks a few years older or newer don't make any difference to you.
David Anderson


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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 22:18:26 -0600
From: "Bart Ogden"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - TC Unlock

Yes, I realize that. I was just stating that the brake signal is tied into
all this mess we've been discussing. I don't ride around town with the
brakes on.

Bart


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From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, January 26, 1999 12:40 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - TC Unlock


>Bart Ogden writes: >>If you lightly touch the brakes it will do the same
thing.
>Just barely touch it and you'll feel the kickdown.
>
>This also lights up your brake lights and we that are following you don't
have a
>clue as to what your intentions are.
>
>Azie
>Ardmore, Al.
>
>
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 00:32:29 -0600
From: "Chuck"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Strong Brake Vibration

> >
> > not too sure, I'll have to look, however, this would
> > only cause it to knock around while not
> braking, right?
>
> Well I do know it will bug the hell out of ya
> if ya don'thave it on, and yes
> only in sound. You sure you ain't got
> any fluid anywhere on the brake linings ? I
> realize you said
> you bought all new stuff, but I would look
> for any scorch
> marks, which tells you the caliper is leaking
> somewhere.

I'll have to get up under there this weekend and look
some more


> Also, is this happening on both sides or one
> paerticular side.

its hard to tell (vibration), but the clanking noise
appears to be coming from both sides

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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 00:32:30 -0600
From: "Chuck"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Strong Brake Vibration

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com]On
> Behalf Of Rick Wojciechowski
> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 1999 1:49 PM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Strong Brake Vibration
>
>
> FLR150 aol.com wrote:
>
> > Rick,
> > OK, now I just did my front brakes. I have
> 2 flat spring type clips that hold
> > the pads in place
>
> Correct a moondoo. :-) Yes Wayne this is the
> spring I am referring too.
> You have one flat spring clip for each side.
>
>
> > Is that what you are talking about or am I
> WAY off base and this
> > thread is about the rear brakes?
>
> You mean I have been waisting the lists time
> talking about the
> wrong set of brakes. Sorry Gang. I could'v
> swore I read he had
> no rear drum

it says no rear drums, as in, didn't replace them with
the front rotors. Sorry

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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 05:39:12 -0500
From: "PmctBaker"
Subject: : FTE 80-96 - Strong Brake Vibration

did you rough up the rotors and pads with sandpaper before you put on the
pads? they ( all four pads ) could be sticking, causing a fast hop, or
vibration too.

mike

Chuck wrote:

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> > [mailto:owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com]On
> > Behalf Of Rick Wojciechowski
> > Sent: Monday, January 25, 1999 1:39 PM
> > To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> > Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Strong Brake Vibration
> >
> >
> > Chuck wrote:
> >
> > > When I brake '92 Flareside (99600 miles), I
> > get a strong
> > > (noisy) vibration, Last year I put on new
> > brake rotors,
> > > pads, and shoes. No rear drums. I also have noisy
> > > calipers, they seem to knock when braking. What is
> > > causing all this?
> >
> > Chuck, Did you make sure you put the
> > anti-vibrational clip on the
> > inside shoes when you put them on ?
>
> not too sure, I'll have to look, however, this would
> only cause it to knock around while not braking, right?

Well I do know it will bug the hell out of ya if ya don'thave it on, and yes
only in sound. You sure you ain't got
any fluid anywhere on the brake linings ? I realize you said
you bought all new stuff, but I would look for any scorch
marks, which tells you the caliper is leaking somewhere.
Also, is this happening on both sides or one paerticular side.

- - --
Thanks,
Rick Wojo

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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 05:30:52 -0500
From: "PmctBaker"
Subject: : Re: FTE 80-96 - Strong Brake Vibration

FLR150 aol.com wrote:

>
> inside shoes when you put them on ? >>
> Rick,
> HUH??????????? Anti-vibrational clip?

>>Wayne, Yeah. They go on the bottom of the inside brake shoe.
>>They slip on the shoe, then when you install the shoe....

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