80-96-list-digest Tuesday, January 26 1999 Volume 03 : Number 022



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 80-96 - Strong Brake Vibration
RE: FTE 80-96 - Fuel Filters on F 250
Re: FTE 80-96 - Paint Peeling
RE: FTE 80-96 - Strong Brake Vibration
Re: FTE 80-96 - Paint Peeling
FTE 80-96 - WTB Fold down middle seat
FTE 80-96 - Re: bad idle
FTE 80-96 - Re: Good News/Bad News
FTE 80-96 - Re: engine swap
FTE 80-96 - Four prong thingie...
Re: FTE 80-96 - Strong Brake Vibration
Re: FTE 80-96 - F150 Rear ABS Light on -- what to do
FTE 80-96 - Brakes
Re: FTE 80-96 - looking to buy f150. what to look for
RE: FTE 80-96 - Strong Brake Vibration
RE: FTE 80-96 - Strong Brake Vibration
RE: FTE 80-96 - Strong Brake Vibration
RE: FTE 80-96 - Strong Brake Vibration
RE: FTE 80-96 - Strong Brake Vibration
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: engine swap
Re: FTE 80-96 - Strong Brake Vibration
FTE 80-96 - re: F150 vibration under power between 45 and 65
FTE 80-96 - 5-speed SOS help
Re: FTE 80-96 - Four prong thingie...
RE: FTE 80-96 - re: F150 vibration under power between 45 and 65
Re: FTE 80-96 - Four prong thingie...
RE: Subject: FTE 80-96 - Paint Peeling
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: temp fix for dead truck
Re: FTE 80-96 - Paint Peeling
Re: FTE 80-96 - Paint Peeling
FTE 80-96 - Re: 91 F250 4x4 7.3 MPG
FTE 80-96 - FW: potentially dumb question - GT-40 heads
Re: FTE 80-96 - Four prong thingie...
FTE 80-96 - Re: Temp fix for dead truck
Re: FTE 80-96 - Strong Brake Vibration
FTE 80-96 - TC Unlock
FTE 80-96 - vibration
Re: FTE 80-96 - FW: potentially dumb question - GT-40 heads
Re: FTE 80-96 - Paint Peeling
FTE 80-96 - Re: temp fix for dead truck
Re: FTE 80-96 - Strong Brake Vibration
Re: FTE 80-96 - RE; T/C Lock-up control 92 E4OD...one last question.
Re: FTE 80-96 - FW: potentially dumb question - GT-40 heads
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: engine swap
Re: FTE 80-96 - looking to buy f150. what to look for
Re: FTE 80-96 - looking to buy f150. what to look for
Re: FTE 80-96 - Fuel Filters on F 250
FTE 80-96 - F150 Tranny & Start Porblems
FTE 80-96 - 96 F350 auto
Re: FTE 80-96 - F150 Tranny & Start Porblems
Re: FTE 80-96 - F150 Tranny & Start Porblems
FTE 80-96 - T/C Lock-up/Overdrive Switch?
Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: bad idle

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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 06:37:13 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Strong Brake Vibration

In a message dated 1/25/99 2:34:29 PM Eastern Standard Time,
wojciecr nichols.com writes:


inside shoes when you put them on ? >>
Rick,
HUH??????????? Anti-vibrational clip?
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside Supercab
Wayne's Flareside Page
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 05:44:45 -0600
From: "Harris, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Fuel Filters on F 250

You didn't specify but if it is fuel injected, you should have somewhere
along the frame rail a junction where the 2 tank lines(send and return) from
each tank merge. This is where your tank selector valve is located. It
should be forward of this junction, either as a canister or an element and
it won't look like a filter. Mine does have a single filter in-line forward
of this and it also has filter screens on the in-tank pumps.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:CRGREENE1 aol.com [SMTP:CRGREENE1 aol.com]
> Sent:Tuesday, January 26, 1999 4:36 AM
> To:80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject:FTE 80-96 - Fuel Filters on F 250
>
> Hey guys, I've got a '92 F 250 w/ the dual tanks and am planning on
> replacing
> both of the fuel filters but after looking under the truck...I can only
> find
> one!? Am I missing something here or what?? I've looked
> everywhere...followed
> the fuel lines and all..its not possible to have 2 tanks w/ only 1 filter
> is
> it?? Help me out guys!!
>
> Thanks in advance!!
>
> Chris
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 06:49:26 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Paint Peeling

Paul,
I hate to tell you this but most manufacturers have a standard 5 year or 100k
mile return policy on TSB service. That is whichever comes first. I had the
same problem on a '90 escort gt I had and the dealer made the choice to give
me a discount on a new paint job. They tried to get FOMOCO to cover it but
they said no way due to that policy. Check at your local dealer. If you've
dealt with them before they may cut you a break, if not...there's always
MAACO.
My .02,
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside Supercab
Wayne's Flareside Page

In a message dated 1/25/99 6:14:58 PM Eastern Standard Time,
WoodStck45 aol.com writes:


the paint would turn out to be defective how would I go about getting Ford
Motor Company to compensate like they did for other trucks? Any ideas,
suggestions, or comments will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Paul >>
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 06:06:13 -0600
From: "Harris, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Strong Brake Vibration

Keeps the pads from rattling in their holders. I didn't one time and the
rattle drove me crazy.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:FLR150 aol.com [SMTP:FLR150 aol.com]
> Sent:Tuesday, January 26, 1999 5:37 AM
> To:80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject:Re: FTE 80-96 - Strong Brake Vibration
>
> In a message dated 1/25/99 2:34:29 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> wojciecr nichols.com writes:
>
>
> inside shoes when you put them on ? >>
> Rick,
> HUH??????????? Anti-vibrational clip?
> Wayne Foy
> '94 Flareside Supercab
> Wayne's Flareside
> Page
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 06:31:36 -0600
From: bozo
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Paint Peeling

lotsa luck getting ford to do anything. my wife's '91 f-150 started that in '95
and we bothered a bunch of dealer and ford rep people to no avail. one of my yard
cars was a '88 vw rabbitt and that thing sat under trees for 2 years with all
kinda pine straw and leaves piling up on it and i swear i could wash it and the
paint looked new- deep color and shine on the base/clear. the f-150 paint now
looks like hammered s**t. i may paint it this summer, but i was hoping a tree
would fall on it first. good luck, bill g

WoodStck45 aol.com wrote:

> Dear Ford Members:
>
> I have a 1991 Ford F-250 pickup, Reg, Cab, 8 foot bed, 4X4, 460, 3:55 gears,
> and two tone paint (red at the top, then white in the middle, and red again).
> I bought this truck in August of 98. Just a month ago, the paint started
> peeling off. Its peeling off the right front fender about 1/4 inch above the
> chrome trim. On the right rear fender it is bubbling up and popping. There
> is no rust involved and when the paint comes off it takes the primer with it.
> I know its an older truck, (and i know fords are known for rusting at the
> fender wells) but there is no rust and there are other trucks like mine here
> in Hardin, IL that haven't even done it. It is the original paint on the
> right side, but it has been painted on the left side about 2 years ago,
> because of an accident by the previous owner and it has even starting to
> bubble. I talked to the local ford dealer because i heard of paint problems
> in the 80's, but i was wondering if they had paint problems in 91. Also if
> the paint would turn out to be defective how would i go about getting Ford
> Motor Company to compensate like they did for other trucks? Any ideas,
> suggestions, or comments will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks
> Paul
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'92 expl sport "pogo-stick edition"
'67 chevelle convertible
several yard cars (required for ala residency)


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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 07:37:34 -0500
From: Andrew T Vincitore
Subject: FTE 80-96 - WTB Fold down middle seat

I am looking for the stock optional middle seat for the F series. It was=

an option with the bucket seat setup. I have the basic console now. Prefe=
r
marroon color. Any leads greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Andrew

'92 F-250 Supercab XLT 2WD. ( Best vehicle I ever owned!)
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 07:11:30 -0600
From: "David Anderson (EUS)"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: bad idle


a
1985 f-150 w/straight 6. When ever it is raing out the idle is very rough
and
after it warms up it doesn't really idle steadily, the rpms keep jumping up
and down>

Any time the idle is up and down and you don't hear any vacuum leaks I'd go
next to the TPS sensor. Check with and analog ohmmeter looking for SMOOTH
changes.
David Anderson


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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 07:14:50 -0600
From: "David Anderson (EUS)"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Good News/Bad News

>Bad News! It has a problem when the humidity is high. If I park it
outside for a few hours in heavy rain or fog it develops a miss. On
occasion it will not start at all: it fires, then stumbles and dies and
will not fire again.>

Usually problems starting in the rain are ignition related. Maybe the coil
or dist cap. I doubt the computer module is rainy weather sensitive. Also,
I've seen a TSB on what Brian said about water getting into that big harness
laying on the drivers side fender well. If you need me to look it up I can.
David Anderson

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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 07:17:39 -0600
From: "David Anderson (EUS)"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: engine swap

>When you drop the 351-W in it will bolt up to the C-4 with no problem.
Just make sure that you use the correct flexplate. The 300-6 plate will
bolt up and looks correct, but the 300-6 is internally balanced. >

I'm getting off the original topic but something David Cole said caught my
attention. What is a flexplate? Is it the harmonic balancer? The reason I
asked is that my I6 has a vibration that I've just written off as a
something this fairly crude engine just does. Don't get me wrong, I love
this engine, its just a very basic durable design. I figured Ford balanced
then "close" and let it go. Is this flexplate something that could go bad?
This engine has never been out of the truck.
David Anderson


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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 05:21:27 -0800 (PST)
From: Alex Wolfe
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Four prong thingie...

In reference to someone's previous comment about the "I" post on the
starter relay, I was redoing some wiring this weekend when I noticed I
don't have the coil post connected, just Pos, Starter, and igntion
switch wire. Truck starts great in all weather... What is the exact
purpose of this mystic wire, and why do I have no problems without it
I wonder? Does this mean that a previous owner had jery-rigged
something truly foul somewhere I haven't found yet? Hmm...

Alex

'84 F-150 I6





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DO YOU YAHOO!?

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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 07:53:16 -0600
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Strong Brake Vibration

FLR150 aol.com wrote:

>
> inside shoes when you put them on ? >>
> Rick,
> HUH??????????? Anti-vibrational clip?

Wayne, Yeah. They go on the bottom of the inside brake shoe.
They slip on the shoe, then when you install the shoe
it keeps tension on the shoe to keep the darn thing from
making any noise.


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Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Terrains
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale or back to the leasing dealer in March :-) :-))


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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 08:47:02 -0500
From: Mike Sloane
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - F150 Rear ABS Light on -- what to do

I have the same situation with my '87 F-350. I found that there is a 3 pin
connector that has been undone along the frame rail just behind the cab. I
assume that since my truck is rigged for heavy hauling (dump truck with pintle
hitch), the previous owner had problems with the ABS while towing a trailer. I
would appreciate any thoughts on Jay's and my situation.

Mike

Jay Snyder wrote:

> I just got an '87 F150. A few seconds after starting, the rear anti-lock
> light comes on and stays on.
>
> I assume this means that there is a problem with my anti-lock system.
> How should I got about diagnosing this?
>
> Thanks,
> Jay
> '87 F-150 300-I6, C6 auto
> ============================================================
> Jay Snyder
> jsnyder microserve.net
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.microserve.net/~jsnyder
> (717)652-3567
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 08:56:04 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Brakes

Glen Koepnick writes: >>
When I push on the brakes while sitting and idling, if I push hard, I can
hear a hissing sound while the pedal slowly travels to the floor. Or, if I
push, hold, and then let up just a hair and then push again, the pedal will
slowly go all the way to the floor.

This is typical of leaking fluid. If you have no external leaks, then the fluid
is bypassing the seal in the primary chamber of the master cylinder. I know you
said that you had just replaced it, but it is still your problem. Anytime the
master cylinder can be pressed till it bottoms out after you reach the solidity
of the fluid, then you either have an external leak or an internal leak. If
there is no sign of fluid leaks externally, then you have an internal leak.
Take your "new" master cylinder back and get another one.

Good luck.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 08:11:45 -0600
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - looking to buy f150. what to look for

Jerad J Heffner wrote:

> At first, I was going to get another Ranger, but I want something
> bigger. F150s and Big Broncos are what I was thinking about, but I have
> ruled out the Bronco because I really want a pickup.
>

When you take the top off, what do ya got ? :-)


> I'm going to try to go for a 1992 f150, but would like to know of any
> specific things to look for in these trucks. In other words, your
> suggestions, preferably based on experience.

Jerad,
I really like the 4.9L I-6 '83 in my bronco. Now I am not sure as to
any differences in the I-6 or the v-6. Even with oversized tires, the
engine does plenty for me. Yes, try for the manual hubs. I can not
tell you for sure, I can only say I would hope they would'v sold some
with manual hubs. However, that is an easy enough swap and $80.00
you would have manuals that used to have the autohubs. So I would not
let that influence my decison to awfully much. I guess I have to
also suggest a manual transfercase shifter.

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Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Terrains
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale or back to the leasing dealer in March :-)
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 08:01:15 -0600
From: "Chuck"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Strong Brake Vibration

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com]On
> Behalf Of Kbeverwein aol.com
> Sent: Monday, January 25, 1999 8:52 AM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Strong Brake Vibration
>
>
> Chuck,
>
> You might check to see if your caliper is
> sticking or maybe the piston in the
> caliper.
> I had the same problem on my 89 Ranger. Put
> on new one

new calipers or pistons, and do they make a rebuild kit
for those?

from NAPA and got
> a couple of new rotors and it fixed the problem.
>

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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 08:16:59 -0600
From: "Chuck"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Strong Brake Vibration

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com]On
> Behalf Of FLR150 aol.com
> Sent: Monday, January 25, 1999 11:40 AM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Strong Brake Vibration
>
>
> Chuck,
> Without hearing the noise it sounds like to
> me that maybe the wheel bearings
> are going or need to be re-packed. I just had
> to do that to mine. It was a
> ticking/knocking that occurred only when
> braking or during cornering.

never had a noise or vibration during cornering


Unless
> you repacked them when you did the brakes,


yes I did, new bearing also, and rechecked the torque
after 500 miles

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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 08:17:03 -0600
From: "Chuck"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Strong Brake Vibration

>
> Keeps the pads from rattling in their
> holders. I didn't one time and the
> rattle drove me crazy.
>

right! it just causes noise, but not a strong vibration
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 08:17:00 -0600
From: "Chuck"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Strong Brake Vibration

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com]On
> Behalf Of Rick Wojciechowski
> Sent: Monday, January 25, 1999 1:39 PM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Strong Brake Vibration
>
>
> Chuck wrote:
>
> > When I brake '92 Flareside (99600 miles), I
> get a strong
> > (noisy) vibration, Last year I put on new
> brake rotors,
> > pads, and shoes. No rear drums. I also have noisy
> > calipers, they seem to knock when braking. What is
> > causing all this?
>
> Chuck, Did you make sure you put the
> anti-vibrational clip on the
> inside shoes when you put them on ?

not too sure, I'll have to look, however, this would
only cause it to knock around while not braking, right?

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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 08:17:02 -0600
From: "Chuck"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - Strong Brake Vibration

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com]On
> Behalf Of FLR150 aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 1999 5:37 AM
> To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Strong Brake Vibration
>
>
> In a message dated 1/25/99 2:34:29 PM Eastern
> Standard Time,
> wojciecr nichols.com writes:
>
>
> anti-vibrational clip on the
> inside shoes when you put them on ? >>
> Rick,
> HUH??????????? Anti-vibrational clip?

this would cause noisy vibration that you can feel? I
thought these clips were to keep the shoes from moving
around inside the caliper while not in use, it this
correct?

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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:46:01 -0500
From: Andre Roy
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: engine swap

"David Anderson (EUS)" wrote:
>
> I'm getting off the original topic but something David Cole said caught my
> attention. What is a flexplate? Is it the harmonic balancer?
>
Well, not really. On a vehicle with an automatic transmission, it's what
holds the torque converter to the engine. Some have counter balances,
(like a harmonic balancer) some not.

> The reason I
> asked is that my I6 has a vibration that I've just written off as a
> something this fairly crude engine just does.
>
An in-line six cylinder engine is actually one of the best balanced
engines that exist (any manufacturer), well, next to a 60 degree V12,
anyway. I doubt this vibration is a Good Thing. There are some
possiblities. The engine could be way out of balance (one piston being
significantly heavier or lighter than the others) it could have a
flex-plate from a V8 engine on it or it's just running badly.

> Don't get me wrong, I love
> this engine, its just a very basic durable design. I figured Ford balanced
> then "close" and let it go.
>
All engines, at least mass produced engines are balanced "close". You
can blue print them, too, which means that it's balanced "closer" ;-)
But close is pretty good.

I think there's something Not Quite Right with you engine. Do the
standard things first, plugs, wires, distributer cap and rotor to see if
it's a misfire, especially if it's been quite a while since that was
done. Then start looking for vacuum leaks.

> Is this flexplate something that could go bad?
>
On a straight six, it's just a piece of steel. Things _can_ crack, but
it's not that common. The transmission has to come out to change it. It
doesn't really "wear" out.

> This engine has never been out of the truck.
>
If the transmission has, then it could be that a wrong one is in there.
I've read somewhere that the flexplate on one of the 351s is the same
size as on a 300, but it has a balancer on it. If that one was put in by
mistake, then you'd get the shakes.

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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 08:59:10 -0600
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Strong Brake Vibration

Chuck wrote:

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> > [mailto:owner-80-96-list ford-trucks.com]On
> > Behalf Of Rick Wojciechowski
> > Sent: Monday, January 25, 1999 1:39 PM
> > To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
> > Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Strong Brake Vibration
> >
> >
> > Chuck wrote:
> >
> > > When I brake '92 Flareside (99600 miles), I
> > get a strong
> > > (noisy) vibration, Last year I put on new
> > brake rotors,
> > > pads, and shoes. No rear drums. I also have noisy
> > > calipers, they seem to knock when braking. What is
> > > causing all this?
> >
> > Chuck, Did you make sure you put the
> > anti-vibrational clip on the
> > inside shoes when you put them on ?
>
> not too sure, I'll have to look, however, this would
> only cause it to knock around while not braking, right?

Well I do know it will bug the hell out of ya if ya don'thave it on, and yes
only in sound. You sure you ain't got
any fluid anywhere on the brake linings ? I realize you said
you bought all new stuff, but I would look for any scorch
marks, which tells you the caliper is leaking somewhere.
Also, is this happening on both sides or one paerticular side.

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Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Terrains
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale or back to the leasing dealer in March :-)
:-))


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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:03:34 -0500 (EST)
From: Jay Snyder
Subject: FTE 80-96 - re: F150 vibration under power between 45 and 65

I would think that a tire balance problem would be evident whether under
power or not.

J.


>You didn't say but did you try rotating and rebalancing tires?
>
>Just a low cost thought.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> My '87 F150 has a vibration that starts around 45 and quits around
>> 65mph. It is only under power of acceleration, or cruising, but
>> goes away while coasting.

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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:45:15 -0600
From: GTH
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 5-speed SOS help

OK: now I've experienced 100% bad luck with the ZF 5-speeds ('89 F150 #
2, 128,000 miles)

Second time that I've been given the bad news that a ZF died. This time
unfortunately it is 200 miles away from home base (it's in New Orleans).
The high pitch whine began~~ 300 miles before ultimate implosion, and I
had the fluid level checked twice in that many miles. I had just prayed
that it was the throw out bearing on the clutch, since that is where the
symptoms seemed to indicate.

Any suggestions???? I'm up for available replacement of the dreaded ZF,
or ANY hints on the availability of swapping into something with a bit
more reliability.....after all I have a '53,'61 and a '63 Ch***/GM
trucks with the 3 on the tree, one of which has .52 MILLION miles on it
(documented) with the original tranny and 11 "other" automatics.

My REAL fear was the words from the shop moments ago "we've called Ford
to try and find a replacement" I called TransMart and they couldn't help
me. The last time ('88F150 #1) that came back with "we've FINALLY
located 'ONE' in Nebraska and it will be $900.00+"

Any help would be GRATEFULLY appreciated!

George Hester
Jackson MS/ New Orleans LA
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:55:01 EST
From: CphgnCwby1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Four prong thingie...

The I post is one on older vehicles in which current was passed trhrough
during starting, directly to the COIL, because there is a ballast resistor on
most cars, it steps the voltage to the coil downn to about 10 volts, or so. So
when you start, if you didnot have that connected, you would only be getting
about 7 or 8 volts to the coil, barley enough to fire. However, you can do the
same thing in a number of other ways, so if your truck starts, don''t mess
with it!!

I remember an old saying " IF IT AIN'T BROKE DON'T FIX IT!!!"

BART
1986 F-150
302 MPFI
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:59:55 -0600
From: "Baldwin, Dave"
Subject: RE: FTE 80-96 - re: F150 vibration under power between 45 and 65

>> -----Original Message-----
>> My '87 F150 has a vibration that starts around 45 and quits around
>> 65mph. It is only under power of acceleration, or cruising, but
>> goes away while coasting.

Two possibilities:

(1) Pinion shaft angle on rear end is too high and the rotation of the
U-joints
under hard acceleration are causing it to "buck".

(2) U-joints are needing replacement. When they get stiff, they impart a
vibration to the drivetrain.

Either one of these can cause that droning vibration at speed. It's called
"drivetrain resonance". If you haven't replaced the U-joints, and the
vehicle is 12 to 13 years old, I'd guess that it's overdue. You can check
the pinion angle while you're doing the job. I'd bet on (2).

Good luck.

Regards,
Dave Baldwin
Dallas, TX
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:09:01 -0600
From: bozo
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Four prong thingie...

starts on 12, runs on 9. no ballast means runs on 12-14 and toasty points

CphgnCwby1 aol.com wrote:

> The I post is one on older vehicles in which current was passed trhrough
> during starting, directly to the COIL, because there is a ballast resistor on
> most cars, it steps the voltage to the coil downn to about 10 volts, or so. So
> when you start, if you didnot have that connected, you would only be getting
> about 7 or 8 volts to the coil, barley enough to fire. However, you can do the
> same thing in a number of other ways, so if your truck starts, don''t mess
> with it!!
>
> I remember an old saying " IF IT AIN'T BROKE DON'T FIX IT!!!"
>
> BART
> 1986 F-150
> 302 MPFI
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:10:08 -0600
From: Roger Lane
Subject: RE: Subject: FTE 80-96 - Paint Peeling

On Mon, 25 Jan 1999 17:55:51 EST You wrote
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Paint Peeling

Dear Ford Members:

I have a 1991 Ford F-250 pickup, Reg, Cab, 8 foot bed, 4X4, 460, 3:55 gears,
and two tone paint (red at the top, then white in the middle, and red
again).
I bought this truck in August of 98. Just a month ago, the paint started
peeling off. Its peeling off the right front fender about 1/4 inch above
the
chrome trim. On the right rear fender it is bubbling up and popping. There
is no rust involved and when the paint comes off it takes the primer with
it.
I know its an older truck, (and i know fords are known for rusting at the
fender wells) but there is no rust and there are other trucks like mine here
in Hardin, IL that haven't even done it. It is the original paint on the
right side, but it has been painted on the left side about 2 years ago,
because of an accident by the previous owner and it has even starting to
bubble. I talked to the local ford dealer because i heard of paint problems
in the 80's, but i was wondering if they had paint problems in 91. Also if
the paint would turn out to be defective how would i go about getting Ford
Motor Company to compensate like they did for other trucks? Any ideas,
suggestions, or comments will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Paul

Hey Paul, check out this web site http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.autosafety.org/fseries.html .
You might find something useful.

Roger Lane
Test/Support Analyst
(402)241-3570
Roger.Lane IBPINC.COM

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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 11:14:17 -0500
From: "Michael J. Pasznik, Jr."
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: temp fix for dead truck

I'm jumping in on this a little late, but that's never stopped me
before. I've just got a word of caution concerning the push-button starter.
I had rigged up the exact same thing in the old Bronco that I had (it seems
I did most everything to that truck! shoulda kept it...) and had taken into
consideration the fact that my high-school friends were idiots and put a
kill-switch on the button. Reason being that I could picture them seeing
this nice, shiny, out-of-place button, reaching over, and pushing it before
I had a chance to stop them. It actually came in handy once.
I put a toggle switch in-line with the 12V+ going to the push-button.
Flip the toggle switch on, push the button, hear a pleasant roar, flip the
toggle switch off.
It would also be a good idea with kids in the truck.
Just a thought...

- -Mike


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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 11:34:23 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Paint Peeling

At 06:31 AM 1/26/99 -0600, you wrote:
>lotsa luck getting ford to do anything. my wife's '91 f-150 started that in
> '95
>and we bothered a bunch of dealer and ford rep people to no avail. one of my
>yard
>cars was a '88 vw rabbitt and that thing sat under trees for 2 years with all
>kinda pine straw and leaves piling up on it and i swear i could wash it
and the
>paint looked new- deep color and shine on the base/clear. the f-150 paint now
>looks like hammered s**t. i may paint it this summer, but i was hoping a tree
>would fall on it first. good luck, bill g
>
>WoodStck45 aol.com wrote:
>

Ford started a program this past year to repaint vehicles with
defective paint at a pro-rated price (to cover normal wear and
tear on a paint job had the paint not been defective). They
cover certain vehicles back to 89 (I think). Your facts are
horribly outdated. Ford is doing something about it.


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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:39:54 -0600
From: bozo
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Paint Peeling

forgive me for outdated info. i finally gave up in '96. where does one go to find
out about the program? i don't seem to recall any official notification of ford
owners. thanks, bg

Ken Payne wrote:

> At 06:31 AM 1/26/99 -0600, you wrote:
> >lotsa luck getting ford to do anything. my wife's '91 f-150 started that in
> > '95
> >and we bothered a bunch of dealer and ford rep people to no avail. one of my
> >yard
> >cars was a '88 vw rabbitt and that thing sat under trees for 2 years with all
> >kinda pine straw and leaves piling up on it and i swear i could wash it
> and the
> >paint looked new- deep color and shine on the base/clear. the f-150 paint now
> >looks like hammered s**t. i may paint it this summer, but i was hoping a tree
> >would fall on it first. good luck, bill g
> >
> >WoodStck45 aol.com wrote:
> >
>
> Ford started a program this past year to repaint vehicles with
> defective paint at a pro-rated price (to cover normal wear and
> tear on a paint job had the paint not been defective). They
> cover certain vehicles back to 89 (I think). Your facts are
> horribly outdated. Ford is doing something about it.
>
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 08:41:21 -0800 (PST)
From: Randall Wer
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: 91 F250 4x4 7.3 MPG

My father has a 90 F250 with a 4-spd auto, 4.10 gears, and 4WD. He
averages around 17, but on strict highway driving he can get about 19. I
have an F250 4x4 with a 302 and a 5-spd, and I can get about 16 on the
highway.

Randy Werth
1990 F250 4x4



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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:58:45 -0700
From: "Brian Soderblom"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - FW: potentially dumb question - GT-40 heads

This may be a dumb question, but what the heck, I'll ask it anyway.

Will iron GT-40 heads from a 302 fit a 351W?

Thanks,

Brian


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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 12:36:26 -0500
From: "T.C. Stoppelbein"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Four prong thingie...

The forth post means you have an aftermarket starter relay . On Fords this
post has no use .Chris Stoppelbein
'88 F150 Lariat
302 EFI
AOD
4x4
4" body lift
35x12.50x15
- -----Original Message-----
From: Alex Wolfe
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, January 26, 1999 9:01 AM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Four prong thingie...


> In reference to someone's previous comment about the "I" post on the
>starter relay, I was redoing some wiring this weekend when I noticed I
>don't have the coil post connected, just Pos, Starter, and igntion
>switch wire. Truck starts great in all weather... What is the exact
>purpose of this mystic wire, and why do I have no problems without it
>I wonder? Does this mean that a previous owner had jery-rigged
>something truly foul somewhere I haven't found yet? Hmm...
>
>Alex
>
>'84 F-150 I6
>
>
>
>
>
>_________________________________________________________
>DO YOU YAHOO!?
> >
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:23:07 -0800
From: Vogt Family
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: Temp fix for dead truck

My friend once had a ski boat that the solenoid went bad on. Had to
start it that way. It was easier because it is a mid engine and you can
lift the whole cover off but still very impressive. Big sparks fly. Be
sure that you don't care about the finish of what ever piece of metal
you are using, in this case it would burn big holes through the zinc on
the crescent wrench.

Birken

On Mon, 25 Jan 1999 20:32:14 -0000, "Radoje Spasojevic"
wrote:
>
> That's the scariest sounding way I have heard of to get your truck started,
> but if it works in a pinch then it is definitely good to know.
>
> Rade
> - -----Original Message-----
>
> >Temp fix to start without keyswitch, oh yes...:
> >
> >1. Turn ignition on
> >2. Make sure there are no gas leaks or gas vapor under the hood.
> >3. Hold on to your hat.
> >4. With a big mother of a screwdriver, short the + cable from the
> >battery with the hot-when-cranking lead from the ignition switch. Be
> >careful _not_ to short between the + and the ground connector of the
> >start motor, that will make you see double, sparks will fly and you may
> >blow your battery.
> >5. This should crank the engine and you should have ignition. Use one
> >hand on the accelerator linkage to give it some fuel, if necessary.
> >
> >This is not convenient, but will get you started even if the only tool
> >you have is the jack wrench. Oh, yes: make sure the screwdriver or
> >handle is insulated (if insulated material is not available; make sure
> >that you are not touching the chassis or frame with any body parts, as
> >that might become your ground connection).
> >
> >Quick and dirty. Not safe.
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 13:21:52 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Strong Brake Vibration

Rick,
OK, now I just did my front brakes. I have 2 flat spring type clips that hold
the pads in place and then the caliper goes over the pads and the springs to
be bolted in. Is that what you are talking about or am I WAY off base and this
thread is about the rear brakes?
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside Supercab
Wayne's Flareside Page

In a message dated 1/26/99 8:47:39 AM Eastern Standard Time,
wojciecr nichols.com writes:

Rick,
> HUH??????????? Anti-vibrational clip?

Wayne, Yeah. They go on the bottom of the inside brake shoe.
They slip on the shoe, then when you install the shoe
it keeps tension on the shoe to keep the darn thing from
making any noise.

>>
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 13:28:40 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - TC Unlock

Bart Ogden writes: >>If you lightly touch the brakes it will do the same thing.
Just barely touch it and you'll feel the kickdown.

This also lights up your brake lights and we that are following you don't have a
clue as to what your intentions are.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 13:32:46 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 80-96 - vibration

Jay Snyder writes: >>What might be causing this?

Most likely defective u-joint('s).

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 13:49:53 EST
From: FLR150 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - FW: potentially dumb question - GT-40 heads

Brian,
I should think so, being that the Lightning motor has the GT40 heads.
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside Supercab (w GT40 Heads)
Wayne's Flareside Page

In a message dated 1/26/99 12:11:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,
brian soderblom.net writes:



Will iron GT-40 heads from a 302 fit a 351 W?

Thanks,

Brian
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 13:55:30 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Paint Peeling

At 10:39 AM 1/26/99 -0600, you wrote:
>forgive me for outdated info. i finally gave up in '96. where does one go to
>find
>out about the program? i don't seem to recall any official notification of
ford
>owners. thanks, bg
>

Didn't mean to come across the wrong way, sorry if I did. This
isn't anything official from Ford and there isn't a recall. However,
I'm sure Nathan on the 97up list can probably verify it. My
father-in-law had his truck repainted under this policy this past
summer and several people on the newsgroups have had success with
it. If your truck has the peeling paint, it might be covered. Check
with your local dealer and really press the issue. I don't think all
the colors are covered either, just ones with known common problems.

Ken

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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:08:41 -0900
From: "Casey R. Vandor"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - Re: temp fix for dead truck

Yes... I am familiar with that method on the 454 in the boat (the
original had the bottom mount (in the bilge) starter instead of top
mount and it ate starters left and right) Once we found an older top
mount 454 we havn't had any problems (though it is a Chevy so sometime
soon a rod might just pop out of the doghouse or a head might blow
off...)
I don't like the screwdriver method except in emergencys...

Thanks,
Casey

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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 13:49:15 -0600
From: "Rick Wojciechowski"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Strong Brake Vibration

FLR150 aol.com wrote:

> Rick,
> OK, now I just did my front brakes. I have 2 flat spring type clips that hold
> the pads in place

Correct a moondoo. :-) Yes Wayne this is the spring I am referring too.
You have one flat spring clip for each side.


> Is that what you are talking about or am I WAY off base and this
> thread is about the rear brakes?

You mean I have been waisting the lists time talking about the
wrong set of brakes. Sorry Gang. I could'v swore I read he had
no rear drum brakes. :-( On a brighter note, Wayne you now
know what I call a vibrational clip. :-) :-)

- --
Thanks,
Rick Wojo
'83 Fsize BRONCO,Stock I-6,"The BROWN BULL",33x12.5x15-Mud Terrains
'92 Mstng 5.0L
'95 eclipse-Wife's(For Sale or back to the leasing dealer in March :-) :-))


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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:50:51 -0500
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - RE; T/C Lock-up control 92 E4OD...one last question.

Dana Bartholomew wrote:
>
> Dave Harmier wrote:
> >
> > I am about ready to do the toggle switch in the purple wire w/ yellow
> > stripe.....

And Chris is absolutely right about the four way hazard lights being on
and the TC lock-up being enabled. I tried this on the way home last
night and turning on the hazards does exactly the same thing as hitting
my disable switch. I still think the switch is the way to go though,
I'd feel like a real dick driving around all day with my hazards
flashing. It is a great way to test the lock-up disable and see if it
helps your drivability though.

Hey Chris, do you know why this happens? Seems odd to me.

Dana I can't really tell you why just the way Ford engineered it, but
the is even a better way yet to unlock the converter let off the
throttle just a little and then jump right back on it and shasm its
unlock and then it will lock back again when you reach a happy rpm! This
is alot better than tapping the brakes when some hot rod camaro pulls up
beside you!
Chris
94 Lightning #381
NLOC #238
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 16:01:25 -0500
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - FW: potentially dumb question - GT-40 heads

Brian Soderblom wrote:
>
> This may be a dumb question, but what the heck, I'll ask it anyway.
>
> Will iron GT-40 heads from a 302 fit a 351W?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian
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are 351 powered.
Chris
94 Lightning
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:06:54 -0600
From: David Cole
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Re: engine swap

At 07:17 AM 1/26/99 -0600, you wrote:
>>When you drop the 351-W in it will bolt up to the C-4 with no problem.
>Just make sure that you use the correct flexplate. The 300-6 plate will
>bolt up and looks correct, but the 300-6 is internally balanced. >
>
>I'm getting off the original topic but something David Cole said caught my
>attention. What is a flexplate? Is it the harmonic balancer?

The flexplate is the large round (around 12"diameter) piece of metal that
is bolted to the end of the crankshaft inside the bellhousing. It is the
equivalent to a fly wheel on a manual trans truck/car. The ring gear that
the starter engages is welded around the outside rim of it also. The trans
torque converter is also bolted to it.

On the 300-6 there is no balance weight on the flexplate or harmonic
balancer. They are just plain. 302 and 351 flexplates will have an extra
weight welded on similar to putting wheel weights on a tire/wheel to
balance it. The harmonic balancer will have the extra weight cast into it.

Your vibration is most likely not coming from either of these. Most likely
some thing else that moves. The balance weight (unless the welds break)
doesn't really "do" anything, just sits there.

Later,

David Cole

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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 16:56:33 -0500
From: Jerad J Heffner
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - looking to buy f150. what to look for

Rick Wojciechowski wrote:

> Jerad,
>
> tell you for sure, I can only say I would hope they would'v sold some
> with manual hubs. However, that is an easy enough swap and $80.00
> you would have manuals that used to have the autohubs. So I would not
> let that influence my decison to awfully much. I guess I have to
> also suggest a manual transfercase shifter.>>

Suppose I find one, but it has automatic hubs. Was automatic hubs with the
manual transfer case an option, or do all automatic hubs come with push-button
4x4? I'm assuming the f150s had the option of push-button 4x4; the Rangers
did.

Will manual hubs work on a push-button 4-by system? Sorry for my lack of
knowledge on the subject. I do want the manual hubs and tranny; my '84 Ranger
has them both. very very reliable. I hate to sell this truck!

Also, I incorrectly referred to the 6 cyl as a V6. It is an inline-6, 300 ci,
4.9L. Sorry for the confusion. I'm so used to v6's that when i think 6-cyl,
I think v6.

Jerad
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ticz.com/~jjay/ranger.html

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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:32:12 -0500
From: "Michael J. Pasznik, Jr."
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - looking to buy f150. what to look for

Jerad,

My '95 150 came with the manual transfer case and the automatic hubs.
The change-over to the manuals is easy *if* you have the tools for it. If
you don't, well, it's only an hour's labor at the shop. I shoulda listened
to Rick and picked up the dental tools in the beginning...woulda saved a lot
of hassles (and money).
So to answer your first question, yes, the automatic hubs are available
with the manual transfer case.
Nice Ranger, BTW.

- -Mike

- -----Original Message-----
Suppose I find one, but it has automatic hubs. Was automatic hubs with the
manual transfer case an option, or do all automatic hubs come with
push-button
4x4? I'm assuming the f150s had the option of push-button 4x4; the Rangers
did.

Will manual hubs work on a push-button 4-by system? Sorry for my lack of
knowledge on the subject. I do want the manual hubs and tranny; my '84
Ranger
has them both. very very reliable. I hate to sell this truck!

Jerad
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:28:26 EST
From: DJ250r aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - Fuel Filters on F 250

i only found one also on my 95 f150 drivers side in the frame rail right ?
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:53:42 -0700
From: "Rick Buchanan"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - F150 Tranny & Start Porblems

Hey All,

Thanks to those who responded to my Phenolic piston question. But now
I have a couple of more unrelated problem/questions.

1. When my truck thinks its cold out ( low 40's here in Arizona ). It
refuses to start until I repeatedly (20-30 times)
turn the key or the sun comes up and it warms up a little. I had
the battery check, I've tried jiggling the key and
steering wheel, but the only thing that seems to help is to keep
hittin the key till it starts. The only thing I hear
when I first try is the fuel pumps whinning, no cranking, no
clicking, nothing. Then I hit the magical try and the
beast fires right up. Where do i start looking? Could it be a bad
keyswitch or something concerning the starter?

2. Here lately my truck has been shifting really hard. Hard enough
that it jerks me in the seat. The part that
baffles me is that it doesn't do this on a regular basis. Most of
the time its fine, then all of a sudden it decides
to shift hard through the full range of gears then off of the next
full stop it OK again. I had the tranny fluid changed
a few days ago but this didn't seem to help. My question: Is this
strictly a tranny problem or does the computer
in someway control the shifting? Are there any tests I can do to
determine the problem?

TIA for any help, or suggestions you guys have.

Rick Buchanan
92 F150 4x4 Flareside.
351, E40D


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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:12:07 -0600
From: "Stephen Beal"
Subject: FTE 80-96 - 96 F350 auto

I have a 1996 F350 crew cab dually with a 7.3 power stroke auto OD. 78,000
miles I just bought.
Can anyone tell me if they know why the engine dies if you come to a
complete stop and put it in reverse? It lugs down almost like you let out
the clutch on a standard with the brake on. It doesn't do it all the time,
but it did it 6 times trying to get into a parking spot the other day. I
started it in neutral 3 times then started it in park 3 times and waited a
few seconds after each time, before it finally worked from then on. Then
when I had it at the oil change place it stalled on them once so I know it's
not just me. Any help would be appreciated, Thanks, Steve

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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:22:14 -0600
From: "Stephen Beal"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - F150 Tranny & Start Porblems

I know what your going thru. My 92 F150 AOD did this if you hit the brake
and gas at the same time or if you were holding the brake as in bumper to
bumper traffic. It would shift like my race car and pop your neck every
shift, boy was it annoying. I never found out what it was before I traded it
for the 96 PSD, now I have another problem, see other message. Sorry I can't
help you, but somebody should. Steve
- -----Original Message-----
From: Rick Buchanan
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, January 26, 1999 4:53 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - F150 Tranny & Start Porblems


>Hey All,
>
>Thanks to those who responded to my Phenolic piston question. But now
>I have a couple of more unrelated problem/questions.
>
>1. When my truck thinks its cold out ( low 40's here in Arizona ). It
>refuses to start until I repeatedly (20-30 times)
> turn the key or the sun comes up and it warms up a little. I had
>the battery check, I've tried jiggling the key and
> steering wheel, but the only thing that seems to help is to keep
>hittin the key till it starts. The only thing I hear
> when I first try is the fuel pumps whinning, no cranking, no
>clicking, nothing. Then I hit the magical try and the
> beast fires right up. Where do i start looking? Could it be a bad
>keyswitch or something concerning the starter?
>
>2. Here lately my truck has been shifting really hard. Hard enough
>that it jerks me in the seat. The part that
> baffles me is that it doesn't do this on a regular basis. Most of
>the time its fine, then all of a sudden it decides
> to shift hard through the full range of gears then off of the next
>full stop it OK again. I had the tranny fluid changed
> a few days ago but this didn't seem to help. My question: Is this
>strictly a tranny problem or does the computer
> in someway control the shifting? Are there any tests I can do to
>determine the problem?
>
>TIA for any help, or suggestions you guys have.
>
>Rick Buchanan
>92 F150 4x4 Flareside.
>351, E40D
>
>
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 18:16:20 -0500
From: "Doug McGuinn"
Subject: Re: FTE 80-96 - F150 Tranny & Start Porblems

Concerning your starting problem. One way to check to see if the ignition
switch is the problem, is to blow hot air on it with a hair dryer when it's
cold out. If the engine starts, then you've isolated the problem to the
switch. My guess, if it is the switch, is that it has moisture on it that
freezes when it gets cold and keeps the switch from working right.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Rick Buchanan
To: 80-96-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, January 26, 1999 5:54 PM
Subject: FTE 80-96 - F150 Tranny & Start Porblems


>Hey All,
>
>Thanks to those who responded to my Phenolic piston question. But now
>I have a couple of more unrelated problem/questions.
>
>1. When my truck thinks its cold out ( low 40's here in Arizona ). It
>refuses to start until I repeatedly (20-30 times)
> turn the key or the sun comes up and it warms up a little. I had
>the battery check, I've tried jiggling the key and
> steering wheel, but the only thing that seems to help is to keep
>hittin the key till it starts. The only thing I hear
> when I first try is the fuel pumps whinning, no cranking, no
>clicking, nothing. Then I hit the magical try and the
> beast fires right up. Where do i start looking? Could it be a bad
>keyswitch or something concerning the starter?
>
>2. Here lately my truck has been shifting really hard. Hard enough
>that it jerks me in the seat. The part that
> baffles me is that it doesn't do this on a regular basis. Most of
>the time its fine, then all of a sudden it decides
> to shift hard through the full range of gears then off of the next....


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